Some of our readers have been alleging this week that white residents of Orange County are attacked more often than minorities. It turns out that is not true. The Orange County Human Relations Commission just released their 2008 report on Orange County Hate Crimes. Sure enough, the minorities are more often the targets of these attacks.
- African Americans make up less than 2% of Orange County ‘s population but are consistently the most frequent targets of hate crime.
- Hate crime trends against Latinos are up, this may be due to misplaced concerns about the economy and the vilification of immigrants, as well as fear of foreigners.
- Gays and lesbians are one of the most frequent targets of hate crime, the emotionally charged and protracted battle over the issue of gay marriage may contribute to this.
Click here to read the full report.
Art, what is the y-axis measuring? Is that total occurances? In a county of three million people?
#1,
Yes. I believe that is the total number of occurrences.
Fortunately hate crimes are rare – like so many other episodes of violence.
Then again if you are one of the victims then the statistics don’t matter…
The statistics don’t matter to Rusty Kennedy who makes his living as the Director of the Human Relations Commission. This is one expendable group that should have its public financing pulled immediately. If only three Supes had the courage.
David,
I think groups like this should be run by non-profits and board membership should be voluntary. I don’t see a need to fund these commissions with public money.
I think there is a need for such public scrutiny, but why stick us with the bill?
Hate crime statistics are a result of crimes reported (which is but a subset of crimes committed), police and Sheriff’s Department bookkeeping (unaudited and suspect) and Rusty Kennedy’s effort to perpetuate an industry in search of a reason for his organization to exist. To illustrate the reason for skepticism on “hate crime” statistics, we read regularly about Hispanic on Hispanic crime (in Santa Ana or elsewhere)- is that a “hate crime” or just “crime”? Who is to say? The whole categorization of crime as hate and non-hate is pretty much a joke and should not be taken seriously.
Since no one has pointed out the “slight of hand” Pedroza concocted in this story, I will… White citizens of Orange County correctly complain that they are victims of black and brown on white crime far more frequently, as in mugging, home invasion, etc… These violent crimes, however, may not come under Pedroza’s umbrella of “hate crime” since our Attorney General basically said a white person is not protected by hate crime legislation.
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WASHINGTON – The most likely victim of a hate crime in the U.S. is a poor, young, white, single urban dweller, according to an analysis of Justice Department statistics collected from between July 2000 and December 2003.
A November report by the Bureau of Justice Statistics detailing a study of 210,000 “hate crimes” a year during that period has gone virtually unreported by the U.S. press.
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The Libertarian Party has advocated a complete elimination of all “hate crime” laws. “Racist criminals, whether black or white, should be punished for their crimes, but hate crime laws aren’t needed to do that,” said the party chief.
Officially, Congress has described a “hate crime” as one “in which the defendant intentionally selects a victim, or in the case of a property crime, the property that is the object of the crime, because of the actual or perceived race, color, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of any person.”
The party’s position has been echoed by other critics of “hate crimes” laws who say legislation is written in such a way that authorities often have too much arbitrary power to decide whether a crime had a racial undertone.
Many believe that “hate crime” laws, now in 45 states, have hit poor and minority communities the worst.
“It is demonstrable that these laws hit the poor and minorities hardest. It wasn’t meant that way, but that’s the way it is,” said Christopher Plourd — a criminal defense lawyer who has represented a number of clients charged with “hate crimes” — in an Oct. 30 interview with columnist Arianna Huffington.
“In the same way that [police] don’t go on white college campuses trying to enforce drug laws, but come to the ‘hood, they’ll use these new hate crime laws against the NAACP’s own constituents,” Van Jones, director of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, told Huffington.
More hypocrisy by Pedroza…
Mr. Freedom,
When did I call for these laws? I didn’t. But guess what? They were passed by GOP and Dem legislators.
Here in Orange County, as Zenger pointed out, the Human Relations Commission continues because our GOP Supervisors don’t have the balls to cut them.
NO Libertarian has ever voted for these laws or approved expenditures relative to hate crimes. All of that is due to Republicans and Democrats.
So stop blaming Libertarians – we are not the problem – you are!
You are not a Libertarian. You are a blue belly hack.
As has been pointed out continuously, you have yet to come down on the side of a Libertarian position – be it hate crimes laws or Sotomayor or illegal immigration or abortion funding. Take your pick. You are to Libertarians as Colin Powell is to Republicans.
This independent voter didnt call for these laws and I dont cite them to win a debate. That would be TRUE HYPOCRISY.
Mr. Freedom,
Let me get this straight, someone appointed an anonymous guy who isn’t even a Libertarian to be the gatekeeper of the party? Amazing.
An honest assessment of my posts would conclude the obvious – I hold both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party in disdain. They are both to blame for our problems, in equal measure.
I don’t need to justify my views to you or anyone else. My party by the way supports freedom of thought. You Republicans are the ones who engage in endless litmus tests.
I support plenty of Libertarian views including legalizing drugs, opposing the death penalty, and opposing most, if not all, wars.
I have said this before and it bears repeating – you do not value freedom. You are just another red-faced Republican masquerading as a Libertarian. Why don’t you grow some huevos and attack me with your real name instead of sniping from the shadows like the sniveling redcoat that you are?
I will straighten you out.
A Democrat hack who hides as a Libertarian so he can never be held responsible “for anything” has no room to tell anyone about hiding.
An honest assessment by any reader about your views as opposed to those posted by the Libertarian Party are enough to show you are NOT who you say you are.
A blue belly liberal hack, thats what you are. Until you start behaving differently, engaging and accepting that Libertarians do not contribute to the solutions and are thus part of the problem, you will not be seen any differently by your readers.
You take great liberty in sliming anyone who crosses your path and great umbrage at anyone who does to you likewise. You are thin skinned and unable to accept a true analysis.
By the way, opposing the Death Penalty is not necessarily a Libertarian position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_the_death_penalty
and on the war… Harry Browne sites two positions of Libertarians on the war in Iraq…
Saddam Hussein is a threat to the U.S. We must remove him from power before he attacks us or gives weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.
We libertarians should be the first to support the liberation of the Iraqi people from a cruel dictator.
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All THREE of your positions, however, can be found in your little blue belly book of Liberal Socialism entitled “how I love government and hate the people.”
They are ALL popular positions of the Democrat Party. Live with it.
O for God Sake!
you lot are so funny:)
Could that somebody be me??? Wow, i’m such a wee trouble maker:)
Ok lets get the facts stright. No wonder Ms palin said stop making things up!
I never said Whites are attacked more than Minorities.
1. I said if your white or black walking into an hispanic area KNOWN to have the highest murder rate in Orange County it may not be a good Idea.
YOU WILL STAND OUT!!
2. I did not say Hispanic Grannies with pitch Forks will come and get ya, in fact they most likey will be the ones saving your ass!
3. IT’s JUST COMMON SENSE, like i “said” a catholic will not walk down the shankill road, because most likely being a segregated area of mostly prods. A catholic that does not live there would be singled out as an unknown in the hood.
4. Mr. Cranky=Sean Mills! Ask me if anyone has been attacked in Santa Ana, and i Stated “no one would be stupid enough to enter Santa Ana at night” especially if your black or white in known gang area’s. No i take that back any area of Santa Ana, if your not sure were you are going.
So Art, my wee hispanic activist hack, stop making crap up.
Hate crimes in california are highest beween blacks and hispanics. BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THE SAME HOODS!
By the way tell Your Friend Mr. Cranky to Lighten up and drive more “while being white” its good for relaxation:)
You lot are great Crack:)
Latinos are up, this may be due to misplaced concerns about the economy and the vilification of immigrants, as well as fear of foreigners.
What misplaced concerns, who is attacking hispanics and were. One woman in ladera Ranch, does not mean their is a white mob in Lardera Ranch with pitch forks just lying in waiting for that chance to jump some poor unsuspecting hispanic!
Most of my friends are foreigners, Im a foreigner, i maybe be a pain in the arsh to hacks, but i won’t bit them! Well maybe i would maybe snap alittle at Mr. Cranky so i could watch him jump:)
I’m a immigrant no one is vilifiying me, well maybe you are Art, to use me as a scapegoat to avade the truth that Santa Ana is a segragated area, of one race “HISPANICS”. full of crime and gangs that without a doub’t would be dangerous for “UNKNOWNS IN THE HOOD”, I stand by this statement 100%.
And i am not going to talk about it again, because it is bloody stupid!
🙂
I like you Michelle! Red hair and green eyes??
Mr. Freedom,
Ruh-roh! Are you another horny Republican in the tradition of Sanford, Ensign and Pickering…
I suggest you go buy some saltpeter right now and sprinkle it on your dinner!
Michelle already said she is married – and she has an infant child. No breaking up marriages on my blog you pervy rascal!
At least I still have a libido… I haven’t emasculated myself in the name of political correctness.
Thank you Mr.Freedom, Blond hair and Green eyes, thankyou!
And Don’t worry,Art. My husband is a latin hunk! well he looks latin! he’s from Dublin “black Irish”.
🙂
Let’s be fair to Ms. Quinn and take a look at what she said in her own words:
“the reality is also that while a hispanic man and woman can take a evening walk in mission veijo, it would not be advisable for me to take a walk in most parts of Santa Ana at night, because i am white”
and
“Do you think my all white,galic football team would be welcome into Santa Ana, by the all brown,take you down team! I bet their are more cabrones, in Santa Ana ‘all brown, don’t come to our town, if your white got it, right’.”
Those are both comments posted by Ms. Quinn on this blog and the both seem to insinuate that whites would somehow be in danger, if not violently attacked, by Latino’s living in Santa Ana.
She now tries to spin her way out of this bigotry by saying that is not what she meant. However I will let her words speak for themselves.
It is clear to me that she is saying that whites wouldn’t attack Latino’s based on the color of their skin in south Orange County, but Latino’s would attack white’s solely on the color of their skin should they come to Santa Ana.
Unfortunately for Ms. Quinn the statistics don’t support her bigotry or outlandish and paranoid statements.
Lets use some Art Pedroza jargon here… if Mayor Pulido is anti-Latino, then Sean Mill can be anti-white.
The whole point of commenting on AP’s stats are that they are dubious at best, a purposeful lie at worst. The only statistic this piece mentions is Hate Crimes. And white victims dont qualify. If you are using these stats to back up your fallacy, that is intellectually lazy.
The reality is Latinos ARE more likely to commit violent crime against whites, as are blacks. National statistics bear this out. They are more likely to rob and more likely to commit sexual assault against those they know, but violent crime and murder… its all in black and white.
Your apparent antipathy towards white victims (because of being white perhaps? that is a common liberal guilt) notwithstanding, whites do attack based on color, and those are NOT ignored. Not in todays race conscious environment.
Your paranoia about your own race doesnt bear out blinding yourself to crime in your own community.
Imagine. Calling someone a bigot for stating the truth. How far you have fallen.
Mr. Freedom,
Are you high? These are not my stats. I provided a link to the source.
Go to bed. You are no longer coherent.
Ahhh cranky get a sense of humor will ya!
The only race hack is you, cranky!
Man the hispanic’s must think you are the biggest pussy in town!
lets takes crankies ass to N.Ireland and call him a catholic and put him on Shinkill road. i wonder will his liberal ass get him less of a *well ya know!
Yes cranky nerd if i would go into the depth of Santa Ana for a walk in the park with my cat, most likely my arsh would be attacked.
Because, cranky you white nerd , its a VIOLENT, place to be!
God i can not believe such a complete moran works in public office, o yea let me take that back i can!
Do you think my all white,galic football team would be welcome into Santa Ana, by the all brown,take you down team! I bet their are more cabrones, in Santa Ana ‘all brown, don’t come to our town, if your white got it, right’.”
Ahh pretty go rappin right!
It is clear to me that she is saying that whites wouldn’t attack Latino’s based on the color of their skin in south Orange County, but Latino’s would attack white’s solely on the color of their skin should they come to Santa Ana.
yes you complete idiot, really i never say that to people, but maybe whites are really stupid, because cranky is a moron . yes cranky i do say that if you got INTO A ALL HISPANIC NEIGHOBORHOOD THAT IS GANG INFESTED YOU MOST LIKELY WILL BE ATTACKED IF YOU ARE WHITE OR BLACK!
is that clear enough for you !
Man your a nerd!
good Night Cranky:)
and my name is Michelle, you call call me racist, bigot, or what ever you feel like calling me except MS.
I am like Barbara Boxer, i earned the title of bigot!
Yes most likely you will be attack in santa ana based on your skin colour, other than Mission viejo.
Just a wee hinter! take it i know what i am talking about!
And by the way if you see a bunch of men, with tattoos, bald head and white socks, and look hispanic, ask them why they are trying to scare the hell out of you, because they look like gang members!
good night all! have a productive week, especically in lovely SANTA ANA!
AP
LOL. My last post was addressed to Sean Mills above mine. But not surprising given your egocentric narcissistic behaviors you would think it was about you.
Mr. Freedom,
You referred to “AP’s States.” Not my stats.
AP
No, i did not refer to AP’s “states”, I referred to “stats”. Use a spellchecker.
And since Associated Press doesnt DO polls, but reports on them, I am secure that readers know the reference is to YOU and your dubious post.
Sorry, cranky for calling you names, it was not very nice! I need to stop working so late, it does make one, a little cranky.
I think it is very honorable that you defend the town that you live in!
lets just say we disagree!
have a good day!
Mr. Freedom,
I would not label Mayor Pulido “anti-Latino”, but I do have concerns about his attitude towards our Latino immigrant community. Many of the things that he has supported over the years are seen as being “attacks” on that community.
You can label me whatever you’d like, however that still does not change the fact that whites are not being targeted for violence by Latino’s in Santa Ana simply because the color of their skin.
I did not say that whites are never victims of crimes carried out by blacks and Latino’s. We all know that they are.
What I am saying and I will continue to say is that whites are not being targeted in Santa Ana because of the color of their skin.
Do you really think that the media sources that you count on for your info would ignore this if it were happening?
I mean Fox News, Hannity, O’Reilly, Drudge and Limbaugh would be screaming their fool heads off if this happened just once.
When was the last time a white man was dragged behind a truck or lynched by minorities?
I am sure Terry Crowley would have posted about it on this blog if it happened.
Michelle,
Let me make this point for you. You claim that “you” are more likely to fall victim to a violent crime in Santa Ana because “you” are white.
That is patently false.
Crime in Santa Ana is color-blind. I have lived in this community my entire life and I have never heard of anyone being targeted because they are white.
I can’t blame you for feeling that our community is crime-ridden and violent. The OC Register and other media outlets have done a great job of portraying us that way.
And while I admit there are pockets of violence within our city, for the most part I do not feel as if it is any more violent than other cities of the same population density and socio-economic make up.
Comparing Santa Ana to Mission Viejo is apples and oranges. I am not referring to the racial make up either.
As for your repeated claim that I am far removed from the troubles that plaugue my city, wrong again.
My neighborhood is surrounded by Fifth Street, Santa Nita and Middle Side gangs. 17th Street as well as Asian gangs are not to far away.
I was lucky enough that I was able to get a good education and stayed away from that lifestyle. I grew up with many folks that weren’t so fortunate. Some have died, some are incarcerated and some have had their lives ruined.
Santa Ana has many problems and they have been well documented. However racial attacks on whites is not one of them.
In fact most people that visit our city never encounter violence at all. To continually insinuate that you are not safe here is wrong and that whites are not welcome or are in danger because of their race is just 100% false.
Mr. Freedom, another alias I see? You really need to pull your head out of your ass.
I would not label Mayor Pulido “anti-Latino”, but I do have concerns about his attitude towards our Latino immigrant community. Many of the things that he has supported over the years are seen as being “attacks” on that community.
I think the Mayor is latino, but he is Latin- American. I think he is doing what all mayors should do is protect their city and their citizens. when you state, latino immigrants, you realy mean illegal Aliens, dont spin it Sean. Really if you want to go with the poltical correct way of saying illegal Aliens, its,undocumented, vunerable, underserved!
I can’t blame you for feeling that our community is crime-ridden and violent. The OC Register and other media outlets have done a great job of portraying us that way.
You most be joking, i would not read the OC rubbish, if my life depended on it! I consider even the thought of reading the OCR as a intellectual insult!
Comparing Santa Ana to Mission Viejo is apples and oranges. I am not referring to the racial make up either.
This is a very interesting statement, What do you mean??
In fact most people that visit our city never encounter violence at all. To continually insinuate that you are not safe here is wrong and that whites are not welcome or are in danger because of their race is just 100% false.
To state a city with a murder rate, higher than the national average is safe is down right dangerous. I would state, without a doub’t from experience that if you enter a neighbourhood that is known for violence and you either have if it is perdominatley one race or one religon and you do not live in the neighborhood, you have a higher chance of being targeted!
I will state this as 100% a fact based on Common Sense!
I would like to know What concerns you have regarding the Mayor, and what programs has he not backed?