It’s a CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE, folks. Separate but equal Mexican Schools? Remember those? Separate but equal drinking fountains? Remember those? We’ve seen it all before. Separate but Equal is NEVER Equal.
Real Patriots demand that their civil rights be respected and protected. Real Patriots support fellow citizens who are harming noone. Real Patriots never cower from doing the right thing for the good of all.
I’ll be boycotting Utah’s snow skiing season this year and any other tourism venue that they offer. The Mormon Church is getting an immediate backlash for harming citizens of California. Keep speaking up until justice and freedom are achieved.
I wonder how many hispanics would WILLINGLY return to “separate but equal” all-Mexican schools that were so prevalant back in the 30’s. Anyone hear of the court cases and civil rights movement sparked by Mendez Vs Westminster?
Here’s a little review: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Mendez
Bigotry and ignorance must be fought with education and persistence.
Please forgive my further musings on this subject. Can protests have a negative backlash, as Art has proposed in a previous thread? The answer is yes and Art knows from recent experience that drawing attention to a cause can indeed backfire. What was this recent protest that turned citizens against the protested cause?
Remember when large protests were staged in Santa Ana and other large cities that were supposed to generate sympathy towards illegal immigration?
According to the link: Protests may have negative backlash. A Zogby poll shows that 61 percent of those surveyed are now less likely to be sympathetic toward undocumented workers as a result of the recent street protests in Houston and other cities. The poll also said that an overwhelming majority — 79 percent — don’t believe President Bush or Congress will be able to find a fair solution to the nation’s immigration woes.
Art was right. Those protests bombed and hurt their cause. But the significant difference was that those protests were contesting illegal immigration as a valid alternate to legal routes to achieve authentic citizenship in the US. You’re either a legal citizen with all the rights afforded by the United States, or you’re not. Illegal status enjoys no civil rights protections here.
The current fight against proposition 8 is about the REPEAL of rights already achieved by residents in the state of California. Folks of all stripes are already married and felt secure in that right. The Mormons now want that taken away. Even lawbreakers like FLDS want to tell others what they can and cannot do when it comes to being a family.
I am sure that some people would like to save a lot of money going back to the old system of Mexicans-only schools that were separate but equal. The Mexicans at the time claimed that they were substandard and discriminatory, but that was just their opinion at the time, wouldn’t you agree? I’ll bet we could find some biblical reasons to justify taking a step back with those civil rights, too. Separation of church ideals and state legal protections are now debatable, if some folks had their way.
But, if you are like me…. you’d vow it would never happen. That we’d never take a step back and lose our civil rights. Those particular rights might not affect me and my life, but I’m going to do the right thing for others, and I certainly would hope that others will come to my side if I ever find my own rights and freedoms being threatened.
We’re not going back to separate black/white facilities. We are not going back to Mexicans-only schools. We are not repealing the rights to get married. This is not over. Not by a long shot. This is a fight for all of us. Count me in.
The response of many minorities as to why their struggle is different from that of gay Americans is that they were born black, Latino,etc. while gays “choose”to be gay. Science aside, this is a Bweakargument. We all have the ability to chooseour religion. Many have different beliefs than they were born into. But, yet, I see no movement to repeal freedom of religion. Come to think of it, maybe we should.
Gays choose to be themselves instead of facing the world alone or with a member of the opposite sex that they don’t love (or that doesn’t love them as case may be). They don’t choose to be gay. But it doesn’t matter because Jesus preached tolerance and he loves all of his children.
Not to mention that with so many people out there who literally want to see gay people eliminated (a nice way of saying stoned to death), who would choose to be gay anyway?
Why is it still OK, after all these years on a path to social enlightenment, to discriminate against GLBT people? I don’t know. Ask the Mormon church.
One’s religious beliefs cannot override another’s civil rights… except in California.
SMS
Why did a property manager along Broadway ask his tennants to take down No on 8 signs?
I have no idea why a property mananger would abuse his power and tell folks how to vote or what they should advertise.
Why should this measure mean so much to him/her?
Let’s rage against the machine and vote for the little people.
#3
now that the stem cell research will be freed, just watch and see what happens to our body of knowledge. Look at this link :
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/10/27/2401941.htm
The discovery of a genetic variation in male to female transsexuals adds weight to the view that transsexualism has a biological basis, the Australian researchers behind the find say.
Their study shows male to female transsexuals are more likely than non-transsexual males to have a longer version of a receptor gene for the sex hormone androgen or testosterone.
My prediction is that we will look back at this period of time as being in the dark. Some of us have the intuitive sense to know that there will always be GLBT in our society. Animal studies have proved out the homosexual proclivitiews in the animal world.
The left and the right religious taliban have done their best to scapegoat gays and lesbians. Their time is coming up. They will have to choose losing their congregations to people who will no longer put up with their hate and intolerance. I saw that over 600 mormons showed up in Salt Lake to protest their church’s shenanigans in California. We don’t choose to be gay and we don’t choose that our children will become gay. We just want to love and accept each other, despite religious oppression.
Your evil god is not mine. My God Loves us all.
I keep reading about benevolent Prop 8 supporters who claim gays should be satisfied with Civil Unions. If “marriage” is indeed a term reserved for a traditional male/female coupling, shouldn’t the state stop issuing marriage licenses entirely? They have no true authority over a religious sacrament.
Would straight couples be happy with a “Civil Union” certificate from the county clerk?
If they claim it should be good enough for gays and lesbians, then it should be good enough for straight couples. After all, the state has a duty to treat us all equally, does it not?
#9 –
Watch out! If you say that on LibOC, you’ll get banned like I did!
SMS
Oh, and RV –
Also found in male-to-female transsexuals is a BSTc portion of the brain that is roughly the same size as a born-female’s. The BSTc controls a person’s ‘brain-sex.’
SMS
F&E and Sarah,
Good points!
In addition, I think that the mormons and any other religious group that was involved in this political coup should lose their tax exempt status. For 8 years they’ve had a lot of encouragement and little oversight in their interference in the affairs of the state. It’s time for some sobriety in their activities.
Separation of church and state has become too blurred, imo.