| Dear lawrence, Don’t believe the national media pundits — we’re winning in Wisconsin and public opinion in Wisconsin stands with Governor Walker. Our AFP statewide TV ad is running CLICK HERE TO VIEW now to continue building support for the Governor’s courageous effort. Debate on the Governor’s legislation enters the 3rd day in the Wisconsin state house with all 100 Democratic amendments having been defeated by majority Republicans. Meanwhile, 14 liberal Democratic state senators have brought state government to a halt by hiding out-of-state in Illinois. CLICK HERE to listen to AFP radio ads running in the districts of some of these hiding state senators.
Predictably, the Left is getting more and more hysterical. Speaking of the government unions, Minnesota Democrat Congressman Keith Ellison actually said, “workers rights are human rights.” Not to be outdone in hyperbole, Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio said “collective bargaining is a moral issue.” Then there was Massachusetts Democrat Michael Capuano who told a crowd: “you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary.” When confronted he did have the decency to apologize.
Shockingly, the good folks at MSNBC are literally hyper-ventilating as they darkly allege national conspiracies to “bust unions” and end western civilization as we know it.
Here’s the truth that we need to keep spreading: Governor Walker is simply repairing the Wisconsin budget by reining in the overly generous pension and benefits packages that are far beyond what people in the private sector receive. He’s also ending the government union collective bargaining that has been the chief reason why union benefits and pensions have gotten so out of control.
What can you do? Send a message by signing our StandWithWalker.com petition. It’s now over 88,000 strong heading fast for 100,000. Then, forward it to your friends and post it on Facebook. It’s good for Governor Walker to know that literally hundreds-of-thousands of fellow Americans stand with him in his common sense to take Wisconsin in a new direction.
We first launched our AFP chapter in Wisconsin in January of 2005. On a freezing cold evening in Wisconsin, I joined 15 Wisconsin activists in the Milwaukee suburbs. In 2007, we held our first rally in Madison with about 800 activists joining us to oppose the then liberal governor’s tax increases to fund an ever growing state bureaucracy. Today, we have over 71,000 grassroots activists in Wisconsin and they are burning up the phone lines and email lines to make sure their elected representatives pass this budget repair bill.
For years in Wisconsin and across the nation we had to play defense — simply trying to stop terrible big government bills like cap-and-trade and the health care takeover.
Now, we’re on offense — actually working to pass legislation to strengthen our economic freedoms and bring fiscal sanity.
It’s not easy and we’re seeing that in Wisconsin but it is progress. Real progress. |
For 50 years Wisconsin government workers have had collective bargaining and the state has been prosperous with a strong middle class.
Now Radical Republicans are trying to destroy the status quo.
There is nothing conservative about taking away collective bargaining rights. This is radical change to aide and abet the Republicans and their corporate masters.
Well, knowing nothing about Wisconsin’s finances I won’t comment on the specific. But I’ll say that generally the “50 year” argument is probably BS.
Why? Because here in OC the public pension obligations, especially among the cops and non-firefighters, have spiraled out of control in just the last decade. And just as their jobs got safer than ever, the “public safety” crew kept justifying their ever-increasing benfits based on the hazards of the herohood.
But really, it was inevitable, even from day 1 – 50 years ago.
I think stagnant and declining wages in the private sector coupled with tax “bracketeering” are external factors that need to be taken into consideration when taking a holistic view of the situation.
gabriel.
while I surely don’t know your age let me take you back a few decades to post WWII USA. While we might debate wages and union benefits we should also look at the bottom line.
In 1945 we defeated the axis powers namely Germany, Italy and Japan. On our side the UK, Western Europe and the Soviet Union were virtually crushed.
My point was that we were the only game in town in the world of manufacturing while the rest of the industrial powers rebuilt. i.e. In the auto industry it was take it or leave it. We were king and could pay whatever wages necessary to our workers.
At the same time, with our assistance, Japan started to rebuild. Some players I heard of or met in the industrial sector could not convince US manufacturers that we needed to focus on improving our quality. So with industrial doors closed here they went to Japan where they were welcomed with open arms.
While most Juice readers do not know the names of quality guru’s Joseph Juran, Edward Demming or Philip Crosby, I noticed that over time products from Japan were of higher quality. In addition to improving quality is the opportunity to reduce product costs as you are not handling and reworking them in order to ship them.
Quoting from Philip Crosby, who I invited to be our keynote speaker at one of our Florida electronics conferences, “the typical American corporation spends 15 to 20 percent of its sales dollar on reworking, scrapping, repeated service, inspection, tests, warranties, and other quality-related costs.”
Not to beat a dead horse but we live in a shrinking world. Over 25 year ago I did a paper on international trade and globalization. We are no longer in the drivers’ seat.
Koch suckers
ExAFPtly!
Hahahaha!
Actually it’s more like Koch snorters……pronunciation and all.
This is a ploy. Little to do with budgets and EVERYTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS.
Ignore it and it will go away.
In other words, if last weeks earthquake was in San francisco or Seattle, The three and a half big networks would have no interest in the story, and it would again be focused on by politio wonks, like us. The mainstream does not care, thats why we keep watching NBC, CBS, ABC and in some cases FOX.
If Californians cared, why did not a single seat in both state houses change. This is the TMZ of politics.
(Well, actually, dkmfan, Dems did regain one seat in our very southeast corner, from Bonnie “hot-blooded Latina” Garcia. That’s all though…)
Yes it is political and has very little to do with the budget. The public service unions all realize that cuts to wages benifits and retirement have to happen.
It is about taking away the ground forces and union support of the Democratic Party. Since the republicans are overall appealing only to the aging white male population they need to find ways to keep and expand the money advantage to they can sell thier failed policies to the voters.
“The public service unions all realize that cuts to wages benifits and retirement have to happen.”
Are those the same public service unions in Wisconsin that just a few monts ago were decrying the proposed changes to public employees’ benefits as evil, yet now are willing to compromise as long as the union bosses’ power (read collective bargaining) is not affected?
You’re right Mr. Benson, Wisconsin is very political. And the union leadership and the cowardly Senate Democrats who stand to lose the automatic campaign contributions are the ones who are trying to game the system.
Demogoguery is never attractive. Ok, so the Public Unions have agreed to pay more for their
Pensions….more for Healthcare……Freeze Wage demands for three years……hmmm….
not enough for a Governor that thinks he might be a VP Choice for Sarah Palin in the days
to come. Sick……politics as usual. Remember we said i here firstt: Scott Walker is going to be a one term wonder! He really needs to volunteer to go to Libya and run things for the
Gadafi….
rw
“Scott Walker is going to be a one term wonder!”….. Hmmmm
FYI, any politician should be one term wonder! [Emphases added]
The objective is not to stay in power, the objective is to serve in the best interest of the public and that can’t be accomplish if you want to clinch on the power because the maintenance of power = corruption. (I was under the impression that you known that)
Ron & Anna Winship,
I have often stated that you are very intelligent couple. However, your comment this time is stupid as door knob.
No It’s not Stan. Walker is obviously very ambitious. And deluded. He thinks his overreach right now is making him a great star. Well, ONLY with a tiny minority. The field of GOP Presidential contenders is very weak for 2012, and you just watch, he thinks his extreme actions are gonna rocket him to the top of that heap. More likely he gets recalled next January – that’ll make him a quarter-term wonder; R&A understated. Stay tuned for more Wisconsin news from Miss Tappa!
PS. My… Look at that poll I put on top of Larry’s story! Evidently not all who come here and have opinions, comment.
You too are door knobish comrade.
You both are mixing several issues here:
1) tenure;
2) performance;
3) politics;
4) objective of the tenure, and;
5) balance budget.
Regardless of (1), (2) and (3) the (4) = (5).
The (4) is directly proportional to (2). [The (1) and (3) are indirectly proportional, in other words the tenure nor politics have anything to do with (5) balancing the budget]
The (1) is directly proportional to (3) only. [The voters do not give rat’s ass about (2) nor (4) because of the super bowl syndrome – the Dem v. Rep governs]
That is why we are electing bad representatives into the office = Rule = Yours and Winships’ door knob intellect level.
“The exception [that] proves the Rule”
If (1) will be normal or longer than expected it would be an exception under a condition that (5) was accomplished. (Yours and Winships’ prediction.)
Therefor, your prediction proves that you both are stupid as door knob. [Emphases added]
As to you poll I have voted “No” and have intended to voted “Yes” because you have intentionally misled anyone who did not take extra effort to read the entire question as I did.
Typical leftist trick!
Got me!
I’m not sure what was deceptive, it wasn’t intended to be. You should read a little more carefully, ESL and all.
I’ll stick in an extra YES vote just for you if I can figure out how!
There. You are now the 5th yes vote. (Don’t know how to delete your no vote.)
Do not wary about it, comrade!
Just think of it as if everyone made the same mistake as I did.
I can’t conform it now because you have remove the radio buttons but I believe that Yes was on top and No was on bottom, however, the question is No on top and Yes on bottom.
I think that is how I got confused.
Maybe it is my dyslexia which trick me.
Stanislav Star
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but he is not serving in the best interest of anybody but the Koch Brothers, can you seriously read my last post, can you see the corruption, have you seen the post of his “Think Progress » Koch Front Group Americans For Prosperity: ‘Take The Unions Out At The Knees, and then honestly say YOU are well read and well informed on what is going on in Wisconsin.
Right now the three labor groups that he has exempted, the police, the state troopers, and the fireman, are standing in the capital with bullhorns, telling him, they know who he works for. They are advising him that “they are working for the people that are protesting and that this HOUSE, the State Capital, belongs to the people, not to Scott Walker, and that he works for the Koch Brothers and they “police, fireman, trooper”, work for the working people and stand by their rights, these are civil rights. This is not about budget.
Go to my Facebook, see what’s going on, I’m not joking or trying to mislead you or be mean, this is about saving AMERICAN RIGHTS. YOU are not exempt from the trouble brewing when you try to take away civil rights. YOU ARE NO SMARTER THAN I AM, YOU are JUST NOT A WISCONSINITE AND NOT SEEING IT HAPPEN FROM STATE TO STATE and you think non of this affects YOU. It does and it will, so hanker down righteous one. YOUR time will come, you are not exempt, you may need brothers and sisters from WI to stand for you, UNITED. You don’t have to be in a Union to have a Union help you balance Corporate Greed.
God bless you all if this puppet plays out and wins, I will move my “tiny ass” to where ever it takes and if I can’t run for anything it seems men are run by a power greater than their brain, and it doesn’t take a lot to get to that. THERE ARE MANY WOMEN, ISN’T IT 8 TO 1, I’m sure smart women can find a way to pull a few puppet strings themselves. That’s what makes politics interesting, the “appalachian trails.”
God Bless YOU all, and remember we can all be brought down. The bigger they are the harder they fall, it takes brains to cut them at the knees, This is not a total win win situation.
Oh and the survey didn’t take a rocket scientist to get the vote right, Vern was pretty straight forward, perhaps you’re an Einstein and simple things are just too boring and they complicate your mind. Now don’t hate me, I’m actually a very likable person.
Hm. Sounds interesting! Let’s see: That was a quick Google
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/25/afp-union-knees/
But I won’t even make people click there!
Koch Front Group Americans For Prosperity: ‘Take The Unions Out At The Knees’
In a speech earlier this month at the Conservative Political Action Committee’s annual conference, Americans For Prosperity-Michigan Executive Director Scott Hagerstrom revealed the true goal of his group and its allies like Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s (R) efforts. Speaking at CPAC’s “Panel for Labor Policy,” Hagerstrom said that AFP really wants to do is to “take the unions out at the knees”:
HAGERSTROM: It’s easy to go out there and fight taxes and increased regulation, you know we send out an action alert on taxes to AFP and we get thousands of people to respond. You send out one on a more complicated issue and it just doesn’t quite resonate…We fight these battles on taxes and regulation but really what we would like to see is to take the unions out at the knees so they don’t have the resources to fight these battles.
Watch it:
Taking “the unions out at the knees” has long been a goal of the Koch brothers and their many front groups. In the run-up to the 2010 elections, the Kochs worked with other anti-labor billionaires, corporations and activists to fund conservative candidates and groups across the country. Now after viciously opposing pro-middle class policies for years, Koch Industries is trying to eliminate the only organizations which serve as a counterweight to the well-oiled corporate machine.
Earlier this week, ThinkProgress reported on the Koch brothers’ integral role in provoking Walker’s showdown with Wisconsin’s public sector unions. Koch Industries donated $43,000 to Walker’s gubernatorial campaign, and Koch political operatives encouraged the newly elected governor to take on the unions. Since the showdown began twelve days ago, Koch-funded front groups like Americans for Prosperity — which is chaired by David Koch — and the American Legislative Exchange Council have organized counter-protests, prepped GOP lawmakers with anti-labor legislative talking points and even announced an anti-union advertising campaign. Even while local business leaders have called for Walker to end his assault on Wisconsin unions, Koch executives have said that they “will not step back at all” and pointed to the importance of their “grassroots” group, saying, “it is good to have them on the ground, in the battle, trying to help out.”
For now, however, the AFP message doesn’t appear to be resonating: Koch-backed pro-Walker demonstrations have had low attendance and were dwarfed by pro-union supporters in Madison this week.
– Kevin Donohue, Think Progress
I really wasn’t expecting unanimous anti-Walker comments, and 12-to-1 anti-Walker in the poll. What, are the union-bashers all out partying this cold, rainy Friday night?
Walker is a star who is sticking to his guns in the face of every dirty union trick in the book. The public unions use the state to collect their dues for them from salaries paid for with tax dollars and then the majority of those dues are funneled back to Democrat candidates. Basically union dues are a scam to fund the campaigns for Democrat candidates.
Even if that is so, whither do the torrents of corporate cash let loose by the opened Citizens United floodgates gush?
The Labor / Dem side will never match that.
So far they did!
Those Americans for Prosperity are sneaking off to ram ‘n jam some more slipshod legislation behind the public’s backs. The cold and rain are the perfect weather for their coldblooded thuggery.
I’m curious, what part of Walker’s “position” do you stand by?
1. Is it the part where he admitting to discussing the planting “troublemakers” to disrupt the (constitutionally protected) protests?
2. Or is it the part where he agreed with (whom he thought was) David Koch when “Koch” noted that Mika Brzezinski was “a real piece of ass”?
3. Or is it the part when “Koch” told him, “Well, I tell you what, Scott: once you crush these bastards I’ll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time,” and Walker responded enthusiastically by saying, “all right, that would be outstanding.”
So, it is Walker’s contemplation of committing a federal crime by planting trouble makers that you agree with, his probable violation of campaign finance laws, or simply his crude misogyny that you find so appealing?
(HINT: You can choose more than one)
You obviously have NOT listened to the tape of the interview. First, the “reporter’s” fraudulent actions have been condemned by the National Society of Broadcasters that sets ethical standards for journalist. Second, the Governor clearly indicated that no troublemakers were planted in the crowd even though it had been suggested by others. Third, the Governor SAID NOTHING when the scumbag Murphy made the offensive and sexist remarks. Finally, the tone of the Governor’s voice makes clear that his retort to Murphy about going to California was merely a polite response and nothing more.
The variances between your report and the truth are so significant it appears that you are intentionally warping the truth which is often called “lying.”
So, to clarify, you choose all of the above?
1. You say regarding my first point, “even though it had been suggested by others” . . . even though Walker CLEARLY SAYS “We thought about that.” This is why the Madison Chief of Police has stated he would like to have Walker explain his comments.
2. You say, “The Governor SAID NOTHING when the scumbag Murphy made the offensive and sexist remarks.” . . . But the VERY NEXT THING out of his mouth following “Koch’s” statement was, “Oh yeah. A couple weeks ago, I’d known Joe before, but I was having dinner with Jim Sensenbrenner when I came into D.C. for a day to do an event and we’d gone over to do the “The Greta Show” and had dinner with Congressman Sensenbrenner and right next to us was the two of them and their guest was [David] Axelrod. I came over, I introduced myself.” So it clear Walker is agreeing with “Koch” and continuing the conversation about Brzezinski.
3. You say, “Finally, the tone of the Governor’s voice makes clear that his retort to Murphy about going to California was merely a polite response and nothing more.” This is the most vacuous of your defenses, because it implies that it is ok to commit a crime if one is simply trying to be polite. There is no “polite” justification for violating campaign laws, or for politicians agreeing to take gifts of this value from private individuals. . .
spin, spin, spin it GW. You must watch a lot of Hannity.
ww,
I don’t like doing this, but you really need a reality check. You are either sadly misinformed by your liberal blogs or you are simply a bald-faced liar.
1. He “discussed” the troublemakers? On that part, you’re partly right. Here’s some language from the call itself:
Faker: “What we were thinking about the crowds was planting sime troublemakers.”
Walker: “You know … we thought about that …” then, after stating that he didn’t want any phyisical trouble with the protestors, he said, “We can handle this, people can protest, this is Madison, you know, full of the 60s liberals, let em protest. It’s not going to affect us and as long as we go back to our homes and the majority of people are telling us we’re doing the right thing, let them protest.”
So, yes he admitted they discussed it. But the rest of the conversation makes it appear as though it was never seriously considered. He was happy to let them protest as long as it was peacefully because he believes in his cause.
By the way, the left already has the whole “infiltrate the other side with fake supporters to derail the cause” thing well in hand:
http://newsbusters.org/?q=blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/04/11/lefty-group-tries-infiltrate-tea-parties-offensive-signs-will-msm-ta
2. Here’s your biggest lie/misinformation. Walker NEVER agreed with the faker about Mika’s appearance. Here’s what was said:
Faker: “You gotta love that Mika Brzezinski.”
Walker: “Oh yeah”
Faker: Starts his “She’s a real piece of ass” line but before he even gets one word in, Walker talks over him and tells a story of a dinner he had with Jim Sensenbrenner in D.C. and he saw Joe and Mika having dinner with David Axlerod (go to 6:55 of Part 2 of the audio in the link below). He never said anything in agreement with the faker’s tasteless comment (clearly meant to try to bait Walker), and it’s likely he never even heard it (or was too classy to respond to it). Don’t take my word for it, actually do some work and listen to the tape.
3. You got the quotes right, but neglected to add what Walker said immediately after, “All right, that would be outstanding. Thanks for all the support and helping us move the cause forward and we appreciate it and we’re doing it the just and right thing for the right reasons and it’s about getting our freedom back.”
Yeah, that’s real incriminating. So, Walker never seriously contemplated planting protestors, he never acknowledged the crass sexist remark, and what is this phantom violation of campaign finance laws you refer to? If it’s about the good time the faker promised, the last time I checked, there is no violation of campaign finance laws until you actually DO SOMETHING that violates the campaign finance laws.
Basically, the faker got nothing. Walker’s statements to what he believed was a valuable contributor and insider (meaning he could be frank and honest) were entirely consistent with what he has said in public, despite the faker’s attempt to goad him into saying something incriminating. This is a non-story that the mainstream media is trying (and failing) to give legs because they are tired of the conservatives of getting the real lawbreakers (like the ACORN and Planned Parenthood stories).
Please check your facts better before you spout off ignorance in the future. Oh, and to prevent you from accusing me of providing a doctored audio, I’m linking to the Mother Jones story for your liberal tendencies:
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/scott-walker-koch-brother-crank-call-wisconsin#
Boy, you really got me. You admitted that yes, he did discuss planting troublemakers. You admitted that yes, he did continue talking about Brzezinski – and did not bother to correct whom he thought was Koch after the comment. And yes, he did agree to take “Koch” up on his offer. If you need to know why that might be illegal, let me know and I’ll cite both the federal and state statutes for you.
And you really got me by your snarky comments about me being a “liberal.” Except I am not a liberal. It does speak volumes, however, to the fact that you immediately assume that anyone critical of potential corruption and/or infiltration MUST be a liberal.
So yes, thanks for “doing this” to me – you really set me straight. I now see why government officials accepting offers of trips in Lear jets from private individuals is a GOOD thing, and why discussing the planting of troublemakers better informs and upholds the democratic process.
Hint: Wis. Stats. 11.36(4)
I didn’t call you a liberal for being critical of potential corruption or infiltration. I called you a liberal because you parroted the tired talking points of liberals from the bogus phone call. I find it ironic that you finally admit that Governor Walker has violated no laws because he hasn’t taken any illegal activity (you know, the bogus accusations you made against him in the affirmative in the original post).
More importantly, you are either deaf or truly an adherent to the liberal cause (even if you’re not a liberal) because you still won’t admit, despite the uncontroverted evidence from the tape, that Walker did nothing to affirm or in any way even acknowledge the crass Mika comment. In fact, you continue your lie/misinformation in responding to Geoff’s post (your response to my post on this is nonsensical) by claiming, incorrectly, that Walker’s “oh yeah” comment came after the sexist remark when no intelligent human, after listening to the tape, would claim such because it simply is not true. As I noted, the “oh yeah” comment came after the faker said, in its entirety, “You gotta love that Mika Brzezinski.” The sexist comment was not made until nearly the same time Walker began relating his story. So, if you’re not even willing to admit you’re wrong on something that is incontrovertable, there is no chance of having an intelligent discussion about the issues.
“I find it ironic that you finally admit that Governor Walker has violated no laws because he hasn’t taken any illegal activity . . . ”
You are drifting into nonsense here. I can only assume by “hasn’t taken any illegal activity” you mean that he has not in fact received anything of value, but only agreed to receive it.
On the one hand, one is only a “criminal” if they have been convicted of a crime, so no – he has neither been charged nor convicted of anything. On the other hand, if you think that elected officials need to physically take possession (i.e. “hasn’t taken any illegal activity”) of something in order to be charged and/or convicted of any number of offenses – I can assure you with the utmost certainty that this is wholly incorrect.
And this is only the tip of the iceberg for what appears to be a host of violations by Walker. The Wisconsin statue that I posted (which you either did not understand or choose to ignore) reads:
“No person may enter or remain in any building, office or room occupied for any purpose by the state, by any political subdivision thereof or by the University of Wisconsin Hospitals and Clinics Authority or send or direct a letter or other notice thereto for the purpose of requesting or collecting a contribution.”
YET it appears that Walker did just this when he was talking to “Koch.” Legally, it is not relevant who he thought he was talking to, only that such an act was committed, and that he intended to commit the act. When Koch asked Walker if he needed anything, part of his answer was, “The other thing is more long term, and that is after this, you know the coming days and weeks and months ahead, particularly in some of these more swing areas, a lot of these guys are gonna need, they don’t actually need ads for them but they’re going to need a message put out reinforcing why this was a good thing to do for the economy and a good thing to do for the state. So the extent that that message is out over and over again is obviously a good thing.” Sounds a lot like he is asking for a contribution (i.e. funding for political ads) to me.
So I’m sure you are going to come back with “I am a liar, liberal,” blah, blah, blah. None it changes the facts. More to the point, none of it changes the ideological blindness that allows people like you to support political corruption along partisan lines, while clamouring and crying about the same exact behavior from the “other party.”
WW – please return with the rabbit through the rabbit hole because that is where you belong. You take Newbie’s words and twist them in ways that are simply deceitful. Governor Walker has not violated the law. He has not agreed to violate the law. He has not made sexist comments nor has he agreed to take any funds, gifts or intangibles either legal or illegal.
I’ll take Walker’s position #2. If I was given the choice to get a lap dance from Gretchen Carlson of Fox and Friends or Morning Joe’s Mika Brzezinski, I’d take a lap dance from Mika. I do have a feeling that Gretchen is a closet sex freak and her uptight fundamentalist Christian schtick is an act that would make the likes of Vince McMahon proud.
Unlike most people, I don’t hide my crudeness. I embrace it.
Yes unions usually support Democratic candidates and while that likely represents a the majority of the members there is a minority that have a different view. Nothing stops them from making individual contributions or getting involved in a campaign.
Also consider that while the majority stockholders of most companies that support Republican Candidates there is also a minority there who hold a different view. Nothing stops them from making individual contributions or getting involved in a campaign either.
If you are taking away the rights of a union to represent the majority veiw of the members then you also have to take that same right away from publicly owned businesses.
benson your leaving out one major thing . nothing stops them from making indivdual contributions .. how about the contributions that are taken from the workers check FOR UNIONS DUES . and then the $$$$ goes for democratic candidates and causes . they dont get a say where the $$$$$ goes .. unions where good at one time . now they have gone so far left .. i say go gov walker .. and as far as failed policies to the voters . well your party took in the shorts last election FROM YOUR FAILED POLICIES , nobama , pelosi reid 3 giant failures .. now 2012 will come and this one term clown we have in there now loses .
“unions where good at one time”…… Hmmmmm
I guess that is why Jimmy Hoffa who was involved with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters union, as an organizer from 1932 to 1975 is R.I.P. on the bottom of the ocean with the concrete boots.
*Oh Stan…..please find a therapist that you really like. Whoever you have now is causing
too much counter-contrafliction. Probably a woman that hates men…..but we are only
guessing of course!
Your incite is so……how should we say……Luddite like! Are you sure you are not working
for John Lewis? How about Jimmy Carter? Think you can get a job working for him in
Georgia? “A Peanut a day……you know…!” Habitat for Humanity….needs a good journeyman
carpenter….or plumber. My grand-dad was a plumber….and he never even knew where
the break in took place with the Nixon staff. He worked for Northrup. How about your dad?
rw
Ron & Anna Winship – guys,
I hate myself because of my inability to read your high level English with my ESL. There is somewhere a message in your writings…… I am positive!
I like when you get into the heavy stuff in your second paragraph. It is like intellectual medley which one day, I am sure of it, will replay itself in the last minute of my life.
However, I am glad that your sex life is good.
Okay, here we are again, the smart ones and the dumb ones, debating each other, the Union Hacks, fat asses and the Intelligent Ones who back Scott Walker, the puppet for the Koch Brothers, the Unions “were” (correction) and still are good for those who have “the right to organize and have a union”. It is your right to back a man with Corporate Mobsters up his ass, who by the way have gotten $140 million dollars worth of tax credits, the exact amount or close to the $137 million that he is claiming to be in “his rear” oops in arrears in the WI Budget.
“Koch owns a coal company subsidiary with facilities in Green Bay, Manitowoc, Ashland and Sheboygan; six timber plants throughout the state; and a large network of pipelines in Wisconsin. While Koch controls much of the infrastructure in the state, they have laid off workers to boost profits. At a time when Koch Industries owners David and Charles Koch awarded themselves an extra $11 billion of income from the company, Koch slashed jobs at their Green Bay plant: Officials at Georgia-Pacific said the company is laying off 158 workers at its Day Street plant because out-of-date equipment at the facility is being replaced with newer, more-efficient equipment. The company said much of the new, papermaking equipment will be automated.
Koch Companies Public Sector LLC occupies a seventh-floor suite at 10 E. Doty St in Madison. According to an unidentified tenant there, the lobbying group moved in two weeks before Walker was elected governor on November 2. The expanded lobbying effort by the Koch brothers in Wisconsin raises red flags in particular because of a “little discussed provision in Walker’s repair bill” that would allow Koch Industries, to purchase WI state-owned power plants in no-bid contracts, which would give them a pretty nice monopoly in the state. “It’s curious that the Kochs have apparently expanded their lobbying presence just as Walker was sworn into office and immediately before a budget was unveiled that would allow the executive branch unilateral power to sell off public utilities in this state in no-bid contracts.”
Your right, the union does indeed generally stand behind the Democrats, and the Billionaires generally stand behind the Republicans. With the private sector unions at their lowest percentage since the 1930’s, the public sector unions have been crucial in enabling organized labor to remain a major player in national politics. Without their financial resources and their capacity to mobilize voters during elections, neither progressive candidates nor progressive policies would stand a chance in a money-drenched political system increasingly tilted towards the interests of the wealthy and powerful.
Organized labor is far weaker in the United States than in any other wealthy democratic country, we are at 13%, while others are up in the 90 percentile. You, if you are among the privileged, may be happy to be able to shred America’s already tattered safety net and further concentrate power in your hands. But beware, there are many more of the underprivileged and if you’ve seen the TV then you’ve seen the nations that are rebelling and taking over their governments. Scott Walker, is a puppet, the Billionaires and the Corporations have power, but this may be the first step in a revolution. When the people finally realize that WE are THE PEOPLE and that divided we fall, UNITED WE STAND. Right now they are trying to divide the middle class with this union BS, the private sector vs the public sector. You make more than us, why should we pay for you? But when everyone WAKES UP. LQQK out! Dumb can’t last forever.
You see, right now, there are the disbelievers, the tea party, the people that are republicans, that are “middle class & poor”, that think that they are being represented and that believe what they hear. Once they realize that the whole world is being taken over by Big Pharm, Big Oil, Big Corporations, and they can’t eat, buy medication, gas, heat their homes, or take care of their families, you’ll see more than Madison, you’re seeing it now, only you’ll see it 100 fold. So the “Say NO to Walker movement is REAL” and if he was in New York, he’s probably be hiding out with Jimmy Hoffa.
Personally, that man, should see some new construction sites from the bottom up, now that’s just my opinion, and everyone has a right to their opinion, right boys and girls? Oh and for my friend, Geoff, sorry if I said anything offense at all when you called me a hack and a fat ass, sometimes I take things a bit personal.
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“Okay, here we are again, the smart ones and the dumb ones, debating each other”…… Hmmmm.
I AM THE SMART ONE!
Stan. Did Vern create a poll to confirm your being smart or simply a smart alec?
You are sooooooooooooo stupid Larry.
These are the exempt police, troopers, and firefighters that have finally figured out Walker and they don’t want to be exempt or associated with him, they want to stand by the people and the Unions:
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/02/wisconsin-police-union-joins-protesters-in-statehouse/
I can’t wait for them to voluntarily agree to the same increase in pension and health care costs, and the loss of collective bargaining rights that their bretheren will have when the cowardly Democratic Senators finally come back to the state house to do their job . . . (don’t worry, I won’t hold my breath)
I think it is irresponsible for people to post answers to the bill presented, UNLESS the have read it.
The bill is SEVERAL hundred pages long, loaded with pork and other backroom deals.
Read it before you comment, for there is more tahn meets the eye here.
Serious, DK? Not even your humble editor-in-chief has time to read a several-hundred-page Wisconsin budget bill.
Did you read it? Can you give us the Cliff’s Notes version, we’ll be your best friend?