While I have no issue with anyone earning an honest living to support their family, I just found out that Mission Viejo vice mayor Frank Ury could in fact have a conflict of interest that may not have been shared with the residents of Mission Viejo. The key question relates to timing. He aggressively promoted our addition of WiFi technology in MV beginning in our city hall chambers. At that time I do not recall his ever revealing that his is the contact person for Viejo Technology Group whose web site lists him as the sole contact. According to their web site Viejo Technology Group consults on WiFi deployments. The following text is taken directly from their web site.
If he was involved in the Viejo Technology Group he should have recused himself from any WiFi discussions held in Mission Viejo. That did not happen. The city council, city manager and city attorney will each receive copies of this post for their feedback and comments.
I do recall his involvement with the County and perhaps being assisted by Orange County Business Council’s Lucy Dunn in promoting WiFi at the County level.
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“Viejo Technology Group
Technical consulting with an eye on today…
and a vision for tomorrow
The Viejo Technology Group specializes in advising and representing local business and governments (municipalities, county, special districts) in all aspects of strategic technology deployment.
Areas of focus include municipal and regional WiFi deployments, WiMAX, eCommunities, employee productivity, enterprise, and the creation of technology plans that reduce obsolescence including:
Strategic goal setting
Evaluating strategic considerations
Creating the strategic plan
Municipal use
Cost savings, city productivity gain
Emergency operations, police, fire, ambulance
Mobile workforce
Defining the business and municipal case
Working with business groups, messaging, partnerships
Business cost savings
Seamless use
Constituent messaging
Consensus building
Evaluating proposals
ISP negotiations
Equipment evaluation and recommendation
Costs, business models
Deployments (pilot, scaling)
· Technology
WiFi and protocols
WiMAX
Security
Operating models
Ubiquitous usage
Seamless operation
Standardization
Easement uses (light standards, utilities discussions, etc)
RF Propagation analysis
Enterprise technology
Government regulations
Grants
Tracking State and Federal Legislation”
I had heard quite awhile ago that Ury was selling (or trying to sell) citywide Wi-Fi to other cities, so now the pieces of the puzzle come together. Also, he had a parting of ways with Intel (which is listed in some places as his current employer). I have heard he has a job working with developers. No wonder he doesn’t want people to know what he does for a living.
Anyone who is paying attention to council votes has got to wonder what Ury and MacLean are up to. I swear they are trying to ruin Mission Viejo. They really did a snow job to get elected, and they have done the opposite of what voters expected them to do.
Thanks for shining the light on this one.
What is Frank’s interest in the city installing WiFi. Is his company going to be installing it?
It seems you don’t have very good understanding of technology. WiFi is pretty universal.
I know John Paul Ledesma works with computer storage (or at least he used to). Does this mean that he has to disclose his job every time the city buys a new computer?
Larry, you are often one of the more sensible people here. Don’t sink to Art’s level by making stupid accusations. This doesn’t seem to make sense.
And if there is a conflict (maybe there is), point out what you think that conflict is. Just working with the same technology is hardly a conflict.
Captain.
I first read about Frank’s involvement with WiFi in Supervisor Bill Campbell’s newsletter a few months ago. If you are a regular reader of my posts you will not find any reference to that report. However, if he was promoting WiFi in our city and represents or represented one of the potential providers than I do believe that fact should have been revealed to the council and the public. When I was a candidate for our city council, as is the normal FPPC requirement, you are to list all of your financial interests that MAY impact your decision making.
Hopefully the FPPC reporting reqwirement may answer your questions.
Larry. One week into the New Year and you have already blown your Resolution to Juice readers. Sorry for the incorrect spelling of “requirement.” My brain and fingers are not in sync, tonight.
Larry, you have really jumped the shark on this one. As The Captain pointed out, simply being in the same industry is not a conflict of interest. By that logic, a public school teacher could never serve on a school board.
By your own admission, you have no evidence of a conflict of interest. None. You’re just blowing smoke in hopes of convincing someone there’s a fire because you’ve soured on Frank.
I was wondering what Councilman Ury was doing when he was working with J. Alexander (Dir. of Informaton Technology) for the city of Mission Viejo. I asked a fellow workers what was he doing and they said “he installing a WiFi system for the city”. At the time I did not think to much about it. Now I see the City was paying him to install a product that was being supplied by his outside company. Now I call that a “Conflict of Interest”
Matt/Jubal,
Really? As I recall you thought it was OK for Earthlink to hire Curt Pringle’s buddy Jeff Flint. Then Pringle cut a deal with Earthlink for Wi Fi. I questioned that but you did not. So can you be trusted to comment objectively about such dealings?
It was wrong for Earthlink to hire Pringle’s buddy to sell Wi Fi to Anaheim.
I don’t know what Ury is up to, but quite frankly the OC GOP is becoming known for corruption and hackery. Go read the lead editorial in today’s Register. I am not the only one who is saying this.
Art:
Before accusing someone of a conflict-of-interest, it is customary to actually have some evidence.
Larry hasn’t produced a single, solitary shred. All he’s doing is recklessly using this blog to besmirch the reputation of someone he used to support — not unlike your besmirching the reputation of Chris Norby as payback for calling out Janet’s raiding HCA for staff.
You should address that, rather than engaging in your usual red herring tossing — not to mention familiarizing yourself with the facts of the Anaheim-Earthlink agreement.
Frank Ury has a consulting business called Viejo Technology Group. He does zero — ZERO — business in Mission Viejo.
If you were on a city council, would you have to declare a “conflict-of-interest” anytime the issue of hazardous materials removal came before the city council? According to Larry’s illogic, you would. Absurd.
Anon 8:46 a.m.
Perhaps you need to revist my response to the Captain.
Although Bill Campbell mentioned a visit with frank on WiFi I did not blog that information as any work that Frank may engage in at the County level, or any other city, would be outside of Mission Viejo.
I still stand by my request for transparancy. The residents of Mission Viejo knew when John Paul Ledesma was employed in the computer industry. We know than Lance works at UCI,etc. Frank last reported his leaving Intel but did not disclose his working in the WiFi arena. I would think that would be the first thing to mention when the topic was first raised in our city if I were trying to enhance our quality of life based on my alleged knowledge of the technology. Was he responsible to do that? No! Would that have been a more transparent and productive approach. You bet.
And for the laypersons out there candidates and incumbents are required by the FPPC to report any potential business overlaps.
Matt/Jubal..
Art is right.. it is wrong for Pringle’s group to get Jeff Flint into Earthlink for WiFi. Also keep in mind that Frank Ury is a part of the Pringle’s group that is promoting development in other cities. I believe they have one in Mission Viejo.
Jubal.
I am not cherry picking specific councilmembers by this post. If I am to retain my credibility with readers I must be consistent in maintaining a wall of separation between friendships and misdeeds.
Using a school teacher serving on a school board is not the same.
What financial benefit does a school teacher have unless they are mandating the purchase of their own textbooks within their district.
What financial benefit does a school teacher have unless they are mandating the purchase of their own textbooks within their district.
What financial benefit does Frank receive from WiFi in MV?
None. And you have no evidence that he does — yet you declare before the world that he has a conflict of interest and imply he’s benefiting financially.
Larry, you are engaged in manufacturing a controversy and besmirching the reputation of an honorable man.
And since when are local elected officials required to announce when they change jobs? It’s reflected in their annual form 700, but they aren’t obligated to send out a press release saying “I’ve left my job and started my own business.”
Your “request for transparency” is a canard. Frank isn’t concealing that he started his own consulting business.
If you’re concerned about “retaining your credibility, don’t manufacture unsubstantiated accusations.
Anon at 9:15 a.m.:
OK Mr. Know-It-All. Enlighten us on how Earthlink got its agreement with Anaheim.
And at the same time, perhaps you can even substantiate your other claims.
I won’t hold my breath.
Wow — how many seconds pass between the mention of Ury’s name and the arrival of the schoolyard bullies from Anaheim, Orange and Newport Beach? Ury: Waaaaah!
Instead of claiming there’s “no evidence,” why not check out the information posted by No. 6? No one needs to speculate.
Now I want to know more about Ury’s current employment regarding developers. In the meantime, those who financed him for a seat on the Mission Viejo council are waiting at the trough.
…the arrival of the schoolyard bullies from Anaheim, Orange and Newport Beach?
“Bullies?” That’s rich coming from someone making anonymous accusations. I’ve been friends with Frank for almost 20 years, and I know what kind of person he is: smart, honest and talented. That’s why I’m responding to Larry’s childish post. His characters towers head-and-shoulders above the the anonymous gossip(s) on this thread.
Instead of claiming there’s “no evidence,” why not check out the information posted by No. 6? No one needs to speculate.
Oh, how silly of me! I should cast aside ordinary standards of credibility and look into the claims of an anonymous commenter — at the suggestion of another anonymous commenter.
Any more anonymous “when did you stop beating your wife” accusers want to come forward?
Yes, schoolyard bullies. Why would citizens put their names on posts, knowing full well the bullies will launch ad hominem attacks against them? Look at how the bullies launched a personal attack on the blogger. By the way, the suggestion in the article about a conflict of interest appears to have merit. It is well worth investigating.
Half the elected officials in the county are cowed — afraid to speak up because of all the intimidation and muscle-flexing by the bullies. I’m proud of Larry Gilbert, who has the courage and tenacity to speak up.
Those at the Red-faced County blog who are so busy touting the sterling character of Mike Carona have their work cut out for them. How funny to watch the bullies twist in the wind when their “smart, honest characters” are indicted by the feds.
Jubal.
No, as an elected official you do not have to report in every time you change your job. Let’s wait and see what Frank reports on Schedule A-2 (or Schedule C) of his Form 700 Statement of Economic Interest this April.
Matt. You are bright enough to read that my post was not an accusation. I simply posed it as a question. In the private sector we hire people based on their experience. If Frank had told the council and MV residents of his involvement in the world of WiFi this post would not have been written. Respectfully, while you are a friend of Frank Ury for close to 20 years our knowledge of him locally paints a different picture. You mentioning my prior support of Frank Ury is correct. Perhaps he can tell you why that changed.
Matt. Frank has been a strong advocate on behalf of citywide WiFi. While no Contract has been issued, to date, beyond our library and city hall, neither one of us knows what infuence and or compensation he might receive down the road. Even if he is trying to appear as the Good Samaritan he played WiFi too close to the vest.
Frank played a key role in the elimination of transparency in MV after we had prior council support on routine Consent Calendar items. Sadly he too has drunk too much kool aid after getting elected as we carried him across the finish line in 2004.
And lastly. Frank lives a mile from my home and has my phone numbers as well as this blog address. He can surely speak for himself and not hide behind your hedge of protection.
Larry:
Frank isn’t hiding behind my “hedge of protection.” You’ve maligned a long-time personal friend, so I’m speaking up.
Your proximity to Frank’s house works both ways. Nothing prevented you from picking up the phone and asking frank a few simple questions.
Franks has been pushing citywide Wi-Fi for a couple of years now — long before he left Intel and started his own consulting business.
As for your contention you aren’t making an accusation but asking a question: you use the formula of a question and weasel-words like “could have” but the effect is to accuse and leave the reader with the impression that Frank is using his council position to self-deal. You’re bright enough to know that.
Furthermore, you did accuse Frank of having a conflict because you said he should recuse himself from any discussion of city-wide WiFi.
Like The Captain, I’m surprised to see this sort of post from you. It’s the sort of thing I’d expect from Art, but not you.
Why would citizens put their names on posts, knowing full well the bullies will launch ad hominem attacks against them? Look at how the bullies launched a personal attack on the blogger.
Get real. I haven’t attacked Larry personally. The only reputation being maligned on this post is Frank Ury’s, by you and Larry. At least Larry puts him name to it.
So Larry, since you and Frank live so close together, and you were doing such investigative research to put this newsworthy article together, I have a question for you.
When you called Frank to discuss this issue with him, what did he say?
email sent to my open distribution and myself from Mr Ury at 4:03 p.m. today. Take note that the time stamp on my prior comment shows 2:40 p.m.
As he did not include your comments I will forward same to his distribution.
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Honorable Members of the Board of Supervisors, District Attorney Rackauckas,
In response to the enclosed mail, it is necessary to clear the air regarding the accusations made. The text is filled with the standard unsubstantiated language of “could have”, “may”, and in some of the associated postings, similar equivocations.
Let me use very precise language in my response.
My sole compensation from the City of Mission Viejo is the standard stipend and benefits package all council members receive.
I have never been, nor am I currently under any contract, financial or otherwise, with the City of Mission Viejo, in any capacity.
I have never worked for, nor am I currently under any contract, financial or otherwise, with any company that has ever or is currently contracted to do business with the City of Mission Viejo.
I promoted the City to make its Civic Center a wireless hotspot, a service the citizens enjoy, especially while waiting for their agenda item to come up during a long meeting. Aside from supporting the hotspot, my involvement concluded with the vote to deploy. This vote preceded my current work by 18-24 months.
Also please note that Mr. Gilbert has my home phone number, my cell number, my home address and email address, yet has not contacted me in over a year regarding any issue of concern he may have. The intent of this post was to send out a flamer and see what stuck. The truth was never his objective.
With this being an election year, we all understand the motives here. Please feel free to contact my directly on my cell at 949 922 9979 or by email at frankury@cox.net.
Best regards,
Frank Ury
Mayor Pro Tem, City of Mission Viejo
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Juice readers.
Transparancy was my objective. Nor does this ost have anything to do with the November city council race.
I have no intention of being a candidate in that race nor any other. My focus, as you all have read on this blog, will be the June 2008 property rights Constitutional Amendment which is time consuming to say the least.
Take note that while Frank states that he is not currently under any contract, financial or otherwise, with any company currently contracted to do business with the city he fails to cover future business relations with the city in his rebuttal. At last years Team Building workshop, held at Lake MV, Frank included among his goals, to go citywide with wifi. That being the case he should recuse himself from any council decision making if the potential WiFi vendor has any financial relationship with Mr Ury.
The Red-faced County bloggers have already lost the battle here. They need to mosey over to another blog and install another protective hedge around their boy Ury. Same criticism, different writers.
It’s interesting that Red-faced Ury defenders think pseudonyms are different from anonymous posts. Thanks for the laugh.
Take note that while Frank states that he is not currently under any contract, financial or otherwise, with any company currently contracted to do business with the city he fails to cover future business relations with the city in his rebuttal.
Are for real, Larry? Frank puts your bogus conflict-of-interest charge to rest, and now your faulting him for not saying “I will never, ever have a conflict of interest”?
I think you can count on Frank to be honest enough to recuse himself if he actually has a conflict-of-interest. Too bad we can’t count on you to provide honest coverage on this topic.
Let’s turn the tables: take note that Larry Glbert’s claim that this post isn’t politically/personally motivated does not cover future posts about Frank Ury.
Anon 5:04 p.m.:
No – thank you for the laughs I’ve gotten out of your lame attempts at cogent argumentation. And my ID is common knowledge.
The Red-faced County bloggers…
“Red-faced” hahahaha. The oh-so-clever turn of phrase Art coined. I get it.
But last I checked it was just me commenting here — so it’s “blogger” not “bloggers.” being able to count helps.
Matt.
Sorry, but Frank did not put my argument to rest. While he danced around in the past tense in his letter he failed to mention how he would conduct himself in the future if the council supports his desire for citywide WiFi. He obviously has a copy of the post, al of the comments, and knows how to respond on his own. I guess he needs to have his bodyguard Jubal draft his defense statements instead of responding directly on the blog or to me at my email address which he has used many times in the past.
As to political motivation. Having helped every one of our city council members get elected, and they will verify this statement, I have taken every one of them to task for some of their decisions.
Are you suggesting that I give Frank Ury a pass when I have criticized Trish Gail JP and Lance?
I wonder why Intel fired Frank Ury?
Larry, it looks like Frank responded to you directly, and you posted his response.
He says you never contacted him regarding this topic. Once again, is this true? Did you never even call him? What kind of reporter hack are you?
Can’t you even answer this question?
Poster 27,
Who cares? Larry had a good point. Do the OC GOP hacks never learn? You can’t get away with what you used to get away with in the age of the blogosphere.
Larry is one of the few conservative activist Republicans in the O.C. who can be trusted. You certainly cannot trust Jubal or any of his red-faced cohorts.
Who cares? Well try this on for size:
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.”
Sound familiar? I thought not.
Larry accuses, with no standards of honor. Art, defending him is a joke.
Poster 29,
No. Defending the likes of Mike Carona, Chriss Street and John Urell is a joke. But that is what the OC GOP machine has been up to of late. Now THAT’S a joke!
Jubal: It is commendable that you still support Frank. But you should be asking yourself how he lost all his local support.
Frank;s stated goal as a city council member was to bring city wide wi-fi to Mission Viejo. Frank;s website states that Viejo Technology Group specializes in advising and representing local businesses and governments in all aspects of strategic technology deployment. The site further declares that the areas of focus include municipal and regional WiFi deployment.
It would of been better for Frank if he had been open and up-front with our voters. He wasn;t and now there are consequences. He made a personal choice. He has made many choices in the last two years that have been painful to many of our citizens. This time his choice has caused his own pain.
Three of his council colleagues voted “No” on his nomination as Mayor, with one stating that he does not trust him, because a mayor often times speaks for the city.
The council was not going to give Ury the opportunity to use his position as Mayor to promote his business to other municipalities and businesses. And that is the problem: Frank using his position to enrich himself.
Only an ethically challenged person could be blind to that.
I am proud of Gilbert because he always looks out for the public good. Keep up the good work !
If I were Frank, I wouldn’t dignify your spitball with a comment, either.
Frank doesn’t need a bodyguard. Neither has he asked me to make these comments. He’s my friend, which is why I’m responding to the your sleaze-slinging, Larry.
While he danced around in the past tense in his letter he failed to mention how he would conduct himself in the future if the council supports his desire for citywide WiFi.
Larry, the only dancing here is on your end. Frank directly refuted your weasel-worded accusations.
He has no conflict of interest, despite what you are claiming. You haven’t a single, solitary shred of evidence to support your claim, so you fall back on accusing frank of being conflicted in the future because he hasn’t recused himself from a theoretical WiFi agreement that may or may not someday come before the MV council.
Larry, it’s kind of hard to recuse yourself from a mater that isn’t before the Council.
At last years Team Building workshop, held at Lake MV, Frank included among his goals, to go citywide with wifi.
And that proves exactly what, Larry?
That being the case he should recuse himself from any council decision making if the potential WiFi vendor has any financial relationship with Mr Ury.
As I’m sure he will, Larry. But why don;t you wait until that moment actually arrives, rather than attacking Frank’s reputation over nothing?
This post reminds of that time last year when you wrote another hysterical post screaming that you’d been banned from commenting on OC Blog, when in fact — as you knew perfectly well at the time — you were blocked from commenting because I’d banned an AOL user for repeated obscenities. And unfortunately, that sometimes inadvertently blocks other AOL-using readers from commenting.
But since I didn’t drop what I was doing, race home and unblock the obscene commenter’s IP address so you could carry one whatever earth-shaking debate you were having in the comments section, you wrote that ridiculous, untrue post.
The same thing here: as you’ve noted, you live close to Frank’s house. You have his phone numbers. You could very easily have called Frank up and gotten answers to your questions.
Instead, you chose to drop a sleaze bomb on frank, and then e-mailed your sleaze-bomb to OC political world.
You’re fitting right in here in Pedroza-land.
Who cares?
Art’s favorite rejoinder when he has know idea how to respond intelligently.
Larry had a good point.
Of course you would think that, Art. After all, Larry made a completely unsubstantiated accusation. You must be proud.
You can’t get away with what you used to get away with in the age of the blogosphere.
Get away with what? Do you have any idea what this is about? Not that that would stop you.
Larry is one of the few conservative activist Republicans in the O.C. who can be trusted.
I used to think Larry was trustworthy, too — until this post.
You certainly cannot trust Jubal or any of his red-faced cohorts.
Yep — nothing on Red County is ever true. Unlike the always reliable information one reads in Art’s posts — like the Chris Norby is a drunk who lives in his office post. That was one for the ages.
Matt/Jubal,
You have some nerve coming here and ripping Larry. In the history of OC blogging NO ONE has ever done as horrible a deed as you did when you blogged the names of innocent molestation victims on your “I love John Urell” blog. Didn’t you get your ass sued for that one? Nice.
But wait, that’s not all. You backed Carona and Street. You knew better but you hacked away for them anyway. And you helped Bill Campbell to defeat the OC Measure D. Homes burnt down in Santiago Canyon because of you and your GOP amigos!
As for Ury, I did not know he was a consultant now. Just what we needed, another OC GOP consultant. Can’t any of you people get real jobs?
No 20, 27 and 29.
Perhaps you have an opinion on what position Mr. Ury should take on citywide WiFi instead of challenging my research and follow up. This story is a no brainer. His failure of providing full disclosure to the city speaks volumns.
But then again, your comments are stricktly to defend him regardless of any potential conflict.
Failing to have the courage to provide your name in itself surely gives you cover but that’s OK.
Time to move on to Michigan and South Carolina for the next stories.
Matt/Jubal,
One more thing. Norby admitted to me that he has slept in his office on more than one occasion. And he did indeed take a snooze on the Old Courthouse steps.
In fact Norby corroborated most of my post, with a few minor changes.
More importantly, he has refrained from attacking Supervisor Nguyen since that post. I can only hope that you too will stop attacking her. She is one of the most decent politicians I have ever known. Unlike the Trannies, who oppose her.
Why is it Matt that you looked the other way when Van Tran’s WIFE was indicted?
You have some nerve coming here and ripping Larry.
No, Art. Larry has some nerve making unsubstantiated accusations and passing them off as real. I guess he’s been hanging around you for too long.
But it’s always fun to watch you come unhinged and rant mindlessly.
As for Ury, I did not know he was a consultant now.
He’s a technology consultant, Art, not a political consultant. IS it too much to ask you to be right at least as often as a broken clock?
Perhaps you have an opinion on what position Mr. Ury should take on citywide WiFi instead of challenging my research and follow up.
What research, Larry? You didn’t do any.
As for Frank, he should (and I’m sure will) follow the same conflict-of-interest rules as any other councilmember.
Larry, if you have any evidence that Frank has a conflict of interest, then put up or shut up.
Matt.
One thing I have noticed in reading your old responses to Art was that you never know when to quit. So I’ll give you the last word after you see this comment.
Bringing up a year old complaint about a timely comment by me which you acknowledge was due to AOL, that has zero bearing on this story, shows your true colors. You proceed to engage in a personal attack on me which appears to be your M.O. Go for it. You will anyway.
Sleaze bomb? Your impression, not mine. No, a pro-active post before we engage in any WiFi Contract negotiations until and unless Frank mentions his potential conflict of interest. At previous council meetings there were times when the mayor asked if any council member met with applicants. That’s transparency.
Good night Matt.
Larry,
You notice how Matt ALWAYS dodges when I bring up Urell, Carona and Street? That figures. By now he owes all of O.C. an apology for his wretched record.
Keep giving them Hell Larry! I never pay much regard to what Matt is ranting about. Perhaps he is just bored over at Red-faced County now that no one is reading it.
Matt/Jubal,
Like the conflict Pringle had when Earthlink hired his buddy Flint to lobby him?
Larry, did you ever call Frank?
In fact Norby corroborated most of my post, with a few minor changes.
You, Art, are a liar. What were those “minor details” again? Oh yeah: you said Chris was living in his office. He wasn’t. You said Chris was found drunk on the Courthouse steps. He wasn’t.
You said Chris was getting divorced. I don’t know if that’s true, but was business was it of yours to post that in the first place?
You wedged those minor details into a completely unrelated post about Janet Nguyen. Wonder why.
Chris Norby called you up to correct your BS — although you neglected to mention that in your subsequent post, leaving readers to assume it was you who had reached out to Chris Norby.
More importantly, he has refrained from attacking Supervisor Nguyen since that post.
Which everyone knew was the purpose of your slimy little attack — not that you’d ever admit to it.
She is one of the most decent politicians I have ever known.
Which is why you privately called her “an empty suit” while you publicly told your readers how incredibly qualified she was for Supervisor.
Gosh, wonder who it was who passed you the slime-bomb you dropped on Chris Norby?
Why is it Matt that you looked the other way when Van Tran’s WIFE was indicted?
Classic Pedroza pivoting: “Quick, I’d better change the subject to something completely unrelated with a when-did-you-stop-beating-your wife question!”
Filing is coming up, Art. Remember: you promised to run if Carlos Bustamante doesn’t draw an opponent. And Art Pedroza would never break a promise.
Bringing up a year old complaint about a timely comment by me which you acknowledge was due to AOL, that has zero bearing on this story, shows your true colors. You proceed to engage in a personal attack on me which appears to be your M.O.
It isn’t a personal attack, Larry. It happened. And it has bearing on your temperament and judgment, which are on display in your baseless attack on Frank.
Again, Larry: you claimed Frank has a conflict of interest. For the umpteenth time, back it up. if you can’t, you owe Frank an apology.
No, a pro-active post before we engage in any WiFi Contract negotiations until and unless Frank mentions his potential conflict of interest.
You’re back-spinning pretty hard, Larry. Now it’s just a “potential” conflict of interest. In your original post, you made no such qualification.
You notice how Matt ALWAYS dodges when I bring up Urell, Carona and Street?
I don’t dodge, Art. I’ve discussed them with quite a few people. But there’s just no point in discussing it with a lunatic who has no interest in rational discussion.
I never pay much regard to what Matt is ranting about.
You have a funny way of ignoring me.
Perhaps he is just bored over at Red-faced County now that no one is reading it.
Our readership is doing very well — right back where it was before the Christmas doldrums and growing again. Which is more than I can say for you, judging from your Sitemeter.
Like the conflict Pringle had when Earthlink hired his buddy Flint to lobby him?
Art, you really don’t know anything about that, do you? Not that you ever let ignorance stand in the way of opinionating.
People–let’s look at some facts:
Frank Ury has lost ALL of his past supporters within the city of Mission Viejo. Why–???? he has failed miserable to keep his promises. He whines about lack of support as his excuse. His former supporters do not believe or trust him anymore–nor will they in the future. He “earned” the mistrust.
I say its lack of fortitude.
Observant Insider
Matt/Jubal,
What is there to know? Earthlink hired Flint. He lobbied his buddy Pringle. Anaheim then signed a wi-fi deal with Earthlink.
I wonder if they were the low bidder? Or if they offered the best services?
I just switched my DSL to ATT. Guess what? They are a lot cheaper then Earthlink!
Matt/Jubal,
Well, we have NEVER hidden our numbers from anyone. While your boring blog does NOT publish its numbers. So how do we know you are telling the truth? You used to talk about yourself in the third person when you were still pretending “Jubal” was someone else…
What is there to know?
Well, for starters, how about how the process actually happened, not your imagined version of it?
But that would require acquainting yourself with the truth, and that might be too life-wrenching a change for you.
I wonder if they were the low bidder? Or if they offered the best services?
Now you’re admitting your ignorance of the matter. Which is it, Art?
Well, we have NEVER hidden our numbers from anyone.
That’s not true, Art. You took my suggestion last year about trying Google Analytics, and then you told your readers you would make that information accessible to them.
Which you never did. As I recall, you later went back on your promise and said it was nobody’s business and you would not let your readers access your Google Analytics numbers.
As for Sitemeter, you have no choice but to make it publicAs a condition of using their service, Sitemeter requires users to post their logo and allow readers to access your number. So don’t take credit for that.
While your boring blog does NOT publish its numbers.
No, we don’t. We never have. We’ve never promised to — unlike you. And we don’t continually boast about our readership and regularly make dubious claims about increased traffic — again, unlike you.
As for who’s telling the truth, ask any serious, rational person who reads both blogs which one they believe are factually reliable. Not necessarily agree with, but believe.