The Santa Ana proposed shopping cart ordinance will be considered by the Santa Ana City Council, on Monday, September 18, at the council meeting that will take place at the Santa Ana Police Department community room, at 6:05 pm.
Neighborhood activist Julie Stroud is urging city residents to speak at the meeting and show support for the ordinance. She is also asking residents to bring a friend to the meeting or to email other neighbors to attend. Stroud feels that without community support the ordinance might not pass.
Shopping carts have become a big issue in the current City Council and mayoral campaigns. I have no idea what is in the new ordinance, but it will be interesting to note on Monday how the Council ends up voting on this. In particular, don’t be surprised if some of the Council members, and some of the candidates, end up giving long-winded speeches about the proposed ordinance.
Art Pedroza,How can people speak for or against a ordinace that is not public imformation. Will it be first seen in the agenda? Has it been made available to some groups?How can the public have an opinion on ordinances without proper time to review like ballot measures?Maybe your idea can be substituted if theirs falls short of a real solution(look for it beign short of a real solution).Art Lomeli
Art,
I think the ordinance was crafted in the city’s NICE Committee. I have no idea what is in it, but I know that folks are frustrated with this problem.
I would love to have my proposal considered – but I am on Pulido’s enemies list, so no chance of that.
The shopping cart item is listed as a work study session. So it should be a lot of talk with nothing to vote on.
Why don’t we have kids push back to the markets on their way home from school? We could offer them money to do it
What about the guys I see every night in their flatbed trucks who go around collecting shopping carts? I was under the impression they were being paid to collect all the carts they could find and redistribute them to the appropriate stores.
Alex b-z…regarding the flat bed truck you see picking up carts in your neighborhood — they are on contract with the city of santa ana at taxpayer expense of $83,000 per year. Why should taxpayers pay anything for those who steal property from others?
Alex B-z,
People complain about 83K for shopping cart retrieval when there are more important and more expensive changes needed in the city.
Shopping carts is but a small issue to those that take this as one more step into attacking the underepresented.
Post #6. Taxpayers should not have to pay for this service.Solutions like Art Pedroza’s should be implemented. Instead we get a solution like taxpayers unnecessarily paying for this service.Your complain mostly should be addressed to city government about adopting a real solution and not using taxpayers money for issues that have alternate remedies. Art Lomeli
(those that take this as one more step into attacking the underepresented)
So if the police catch any “underrepresented” people in the middle of a criminal act, should the police turn a blind eye?
It is not a criminal act if the owner of the cart has not reported the cart stolen.It is blight and should be corrected.Some advocate a solution(Art Pedroza),others like you use issues with solutions as an opportunity to label the “underrepresented as criminals.The cart owners let them take the carts and see it as a cost of doing business.Place pressure here to solve the problem.Your anger is justified but largely misdirected. Art Lomeli
(It is not a criminal act if the owner of the cart has not reported the cart stolen)
Your kidding right?
Seriously?
You must be kidding.
(you use issues with solutions as an opportunity to label the “underrepresented as
criminals.)
I never labeled the underrepresented as criminals.
I asked a question in which I asked if people in the middle of a criminal act should have a blind eye turned.FYI-possession of a cart that does not belong to you is petty theft.
(The cart owners let them take the carts and see it as a cost of doing business)
Wrong.
The stores do not allow people to “take” carts and the cost of business as you put it is paid for by the taxpayer.The stores are just as upset, or claim to be, at people liberating carts.
(Your anger is justified but largely misdirected)
Please.
Just what do you mean by that?
Should I blame krylon paint everytime there is graffiti or blame Ford when a drunk driver kills someone?
Shopping carts is a non-issue, just like the vendor truck issue.
For #12
You’re absolutley correct. Unfortunately the Comlink crowd is too dense to recognize they are being used to divert attention away from the issues that matter.
“the issues that matter”
Those would be?
post #14 and post#11 those issues would be , Infrastructure developement and maintnance,housing,business developement and retention,libraries,recreation facilities,budget management,SAUSD issues and a more transparant government. I probably missed something.These are more significant quality of life issue than the ones you champion. Art Lomeli
Lomeli.Why is it that you champion the issues that you champion,yet do not live in town or attend any meeting to make things better.Are you just here to rile up the masses?How do we know your even a real person?You come across as rather cold and bitter.You would not have been recalled or anything would you?
Do you support the current Mayor Lomeli?Do you support the current council?Who would be your future council of choice?
Post #16.The issues I mentioned are not unique to Santa Ana.Their mention is irrelevant to where I live.Are they not important to you?I do have a business and own 20,000sq. ft. of retail/office space in this city.Apparently you do know who I am since you know I don’t live in Santa Ana.I am very involved in city issues,in particular the Downtown.I attend many meetings including speaking at council meetings.If you were involved you would know this.I believe you do know, rather your intent is to discredit the message.
I cut and paste this from santa ana citizens.
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Council voted for an ordinance for shopping carts.
The second reading will be in two weeks, the first council meeting of Oct,
Basically all stores with over 5 carts must have some type of plan to contain them on the property.
The planning director has say whether he believes the plan will work.
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#16
Maybe you are new to the OJ, but Dr. Lomeli is a Santa Ana businessman who choses to live outside the city. That is not a crime. Your isolationistic attitude is out dated.
As far as issues that matter. Pulido’s cozy relationship Harrah has caused other developers to leave Santa Ana. It’s unfortunate Shea skipped on the Fourth Street project. It was a developement that made sense.
Lack of park space is another issue that continues to be ignored.
The City extracted nothing from Harrah for One Broadway Plaza for open park space. In fact, proponents of the project peddled the project as a park for families to take their children. Surely you recall Rosie Avila’s statement that the water features around the tower were pool-like enhancements for OCHSA students to enjoy at lunchtime.
Do you support the current Mayor Lomeli?Do you support the current council?Who would be your future council of choice?
Post#17and #21.The same question is asked twice in response to my post#15.I answered a previous question where I stated issues that mattered.Question #21 and #17 implies that individuals concerned with these issues are oppossed to the current administration.And those that embrace the Comlink issue are the only ones supportive of city government.I believe the current administration would take issue to this inferrance.I think most voters and stakeholders would support a council that worked on the issues I stated,others not addressed and those of Comlink and not make distinctions between and consider only individual groups concerns. Art Lomeli
#22
Nothing was implied in either # 17 0r # 21.You have again failed to answer the question as you often do.Its a yes or no answer.Do you support the current mayor?Yes or No? Do you support the current council? Yes or No?Who would be your future council of choice?That is your cue to insert the names of those candidates that you support.
No explanations as to hidden meanings or agendas.
Post #23. I believe I did answer your question fully.I believe these issues are basic to the success of a city.I support those that address these issues and find real and effective associated solutions.Do I believe the current administration has?No I don’t.Do I believe they are capable of doing so? Yes I do.I have contributed to their campaigns at one time or another.Which current candidates do I believe can be effective on the issues? They are: (1) Michele Martinez(2)Sal Tinajero(3)David Benavides.Your yes and no suggested way of answering is simplistic. Art Lomeli
# 24
You addressed wards 2,6 and 4.
What about mayor?
I agree with your choices so far.
Martinez and Tinajero if elected will disrupt the fragile hold on power that the mayor enjoys.
Talk in the community is that Benavides has allied with the mayor and will likely vote according to the mayors wishes.
And with the 08 elections around the corner,and Bustamante being voted off and Alvarez termed out, we could see a whole new crew.
# 24 as a downtown property owner has chosen to not answer the question of who he supports for mayor because he has given money to the mayor and desires to gain city subsidized improvements on privately owned property not unlike the 17 million plus dollars handed to the car dealers who have also given the mayor money for his re-election.
Post #27 .Read my post with more attention.I state I support those that address the issue.Then I state The current council(mayor is part of the council) has not.Translation-No I don’t support the current council.I am looking at Thomas Gordon , I haven’t decided.Nice theory you had.