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Graphic smuggled away from the hotair.com website. Blue = favorable, red = unfavorable, tan = equivocal, gray = “are you making up that name?”
We Democrats (just talking between me, Vern, Ricardo, and a few others here, but others are welcome to kibitz) are seriously moving towards nominating someone who can beat the two Republican front-runners — and would get trounced by even a Republican who is FAKING being moderate. Here, take a look at some of the head-to-head polling:
While Bernie Sanders beats John Kasich by a “mere” six points, Kasich beats Hillary Clinton by a margin of 50-36! Sanders does 20 POINTS BETTER, just half a year before the election.
Has it occurred to Democratic voters that domestic billionaires, various corporations, the Saudis (yes, under current campaign law, they could donate money for the de facto use of the Republican campaign) and other foreign interests could get together and offer Donald Trump $100 billion to get out of the race — ostensibly, say for medical reasons, like a false claim of a cancer diagnosis — and direct his delegates to vote for whichever pleasing-seeming conservative their polling says could win? (I’m talking about someone like John Thune or Tim Scott — someone good-looking, well-spoken, and rabidly corporate.)
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD NOT TAKE A YUUUUGE BRIBE? Better than working, after all! He’d have proved that he could win — but he wouldn’t have to do any of the work! And a year later, he can come back “cured” and be a GOP hero!
Republicans would win! And the bribe-funders would get a whopping return on their investment. Yes, all of this would be illegal (IF provable) and it would look dirty as hell — but give them a pretty conservative who isn’t Trump or Cruz as a fait accompli and party-line Republicans would get on board.
Now which Democrat would you (Democrats and Republicans will have different views on this) would you want to put up against someone like Thune or Scott? Someone widely disliked and regarded as being just as dirty as such a deal would be? Or someone widely LIKED and regarded as squeaky clean?
Would you want the candidate who UNITES the Republican Party in hatred and disgust — or the one that they think is way too liberal, which they think Hillary is too, but who also sort of has a point?
The election between Thune/Scott and a Democrat would likely be decided by political independents. Would you want the Democratic candidate who does far WORSE with independents, enough for supporters to call for their exclusion from the nomination process, or the one who does WAY BETTER with independents?
You really have to be a party insider to think it’s smart to make the worse choice here! But the party insiders are making the rules and holding the steering wheel — and so, if the Republicans are good at dirty tricks (and, with apologies to my GOP friends, they are), party insiders are driving the rest of the party straight off of a cliff!
You have doubts as to who’s more electable? Try reading this:
http://thebea.st/1MLiEaw
um, wow.
I wish I had time to explain how numerically ridiculous this analysis is.
Here’s the nut:
Hillary’s negatives have already been driven as high as they are going to go (absent an indictment). Nobody else in the field has been subjected to the prolonged, high-powered negative push that Hillary has faced.
No one else in the field, especially Bernie, has not been subjected to this attention — and _that_ is what the poll is picking up. Everyone else;s negatives will go up if they seem to be a viable candidate. Hillary’s won’t.
Yes, if the Republicans could nominate a moderate who could pull a few swing states — say, Florida and Ohio — Hillary would be in trouble.
But that at this a moment, that aperson doesn’t exist. Kasich might carry Ohio, but he’s no moderate. Trump is all over the map, but already has higher negatives than Hillary — even before he’s faced any sort well-organize sliming. Ted Cruz? yeah. and Bernie is well to Hillary’s left.
Hillary has the center all to herself, which is where Presidential elections are won.
For the time being, Hillary can coast, letting Bernie continue to alienate significant parts of the Democratic coalition and watching the Republicans rip themselves apart at the national level. The Republican Nominee will walk out of the Cleveland convention into negative media barrage the likes of which alway Hillary or Obama can comprehend.
And the poll number used to drive this article will evaporate.
It’s going to be a very depressing, ugly fall. 🙁
Hillary’s numbers can and will get worse.
Absolutely no one is taking about her 90’s antics and abuse of women claiming they were sexuality assaulted and/or raped.
When those ads hit in August, it’s going to be absolutely brutal.
nope.
Old news.
People swayed by that are already in the negatives. Hillary is unusually well-defined for a candidate this early in the cycle: most people have already made up their mind about her, one way or the other. Another BIllion dollars in attack ads won’t matter much.
To move the needle on Hillary, something _un_ expected needs to pop up.
Say, stumbling off a stage and then having a “senior moment” on camera. Or a formal indictment.
But bringing up anything that’s already had “a news cycle” won’t change how people perceive her. And if the attack is being voiced by a middle-aged white guy, like the Benghazi hearings were, no one will even notice.
Well, we’ll see.
Women 18 to 35 won’t be pleased with a reminder. Or fifty.
Depends who is doing the “reminding”, and what media is used.
That’s not a demographic that responds well to “Mansplaining,” for example.
or watches much television. Indeed, Women 18 to 35 are a notoriously difficult demographic to reach: they don’t even watch sports. Instagram, maybe?
As I said, another billion dollars in negative TV ads against Hillary won’t matter at all.
I also don’t think you understand The Donald.
He is incredibly ego-driven. He doesn’t want more money, he wants more attention.
He is far less bribable than, say, HIllary Clinton.
watch the clip.
http://billmoyers.com/2015/11/18/flashback-elizabeth-warren-tells-a-story-about-hillary-clinton-wall-street-and-lobbying/
You have hit upon the the Clinton Weltanschauung. It’s all about the money. Cash.
Power is one thing, but without the dough that confers status, it’s just not enough.
The cynicism of Bill and Hillary is really breathtaking.
It is hard to argue with the critical and nuanced perspective that Berners have of the Main Stream Media and the corporate tentacles that surround us. Except perhaps their wholesale acceptance of the MSM line on Hillary Clinton. But since they are college-types and go to demonstrations, I guess they have some real deep intellectual type reasons.
I’d argue that there are deep type of reasons, mostly in terms of the desirable goals which are born from real life issues. Whether we agree/disagree on them. or whether those goals are achievable or how to achieve them, bring another set of questions to the table. Even Berners deal with the issues intellectually:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/sanders-socialism-and-myth-november-polls
The first thing Bernie has to do is win and right now he’s losing. Sorry to break it to you but Hillary has won more votes, states and delegates. It’s hard to make the case that you’ll win in the general when you can’t even win in your own party’s primary.
Every time I think I’m going to vote for Bernie he goes and says something stupid like he did yesterday, saying in effect that Hillary will have to earn his supporters votes. While true on the face value, it’s a real kick in the face to the Democratic party, no wonder political insiders aren’t for Bernie, he ain’t a Democrat.
If Bernie wants to win the Democratic party’s nomination he needs to act like a Democrat because like it or not, this is a two party country. Even if he doesn’t win, he needs to support Hillary and other down ticket Democrats wholeheartedly because the alternative is very, very scary.
Once Trump gets the nomination and exposes Hillary for what she is — her numbers are going to nose dive.
Sanders has been very kind to Hillary throughout his campaign. Bernie hasn’t even touched on the real Clinton dirt. No wonder he’s so far behind. But the campaign donations continue to pour in – so Bernie might as well may hay while the sun shines. Bernie profits and so do the media harlots while they pretend that Bernie’s a contender. He’s not. Bernie lost the nomination months ago. Now it’s just a money thing.
But once Trump takes the stage with Hillary she’s dog meat. Trust me on that.
You don’t believe me?
Watch and learn.