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There’s always that debate: Ignore the lies and bullshit, or draw attention to them by debunking them? I got a lotta people down in Huntington Beach trying to get me to debunk the lies being thrown at Ocean View School District President Gina Clayton-Tarvin, a rare politician with the balls to go after a big local player – Rainbow Disposal now owned by Republic – so of course she gets a lot of lies thrown at her. We’ll do that. But let me first catch you up a bit:
1. Driving hate-filled former journalist [and new OC Weekly Scariest Person] Chris Epting utterly apoplectic, popular conservative HB Councilman Erik Peterson endorsed Gina a week or two ago; here are his words:
I have endorsed Gina Clayton-Tarvin for re-election to the Ocean View School District – and I’ll tell you why. But first, let me emphasize that I do NOT support Proposition 55, because I don’t trust anyone in Sacramento to do the right thing with the money. As far as OVSD’s Measure R goes, the board put it out there because they feel that they need it, and it’s up to them to show that they really do need it, and to convince us that they’ll be responsible with the funds if they get them. But now let me tell you why I support Gina.
For the last two years in office I have had the opportunity to work with her behind the scenes as a liaison to the school districts, as well as on specific issues between the city and the district. I have always appreciated the fact that she thinks not only of her district, but of the community as a whole.
The school district and the city are two separate jurisdictions, yet we often get intermingled through land lease, public safety, and other common areas. I have seen Gina and the board promote and stand behind the council’s goal of preserving open space, and taking stands on the negative impact of high-density development for the community and the district. I have seen Gina stand up for the students of the district, and have heard from many teachers I respect that she has done a great job.
I live in the district, and both of my sons went through the OVSD from Kindergarten to 8th grade. Now one is in college studying engineering, and the other is at Marina High School. OVSD did a great job for my family, and I believe it will continue to do a great job for many other families. I also feel the district will continue to be a good partner with the city, and that Gina will help to keep that relationship strong.
And a coupla other things – it SEEMED like it took till the last minute for the pro-Rainbow, pro-Epting, pro-Chamber forces to find someone to run against Gina … and looking at who they ended up with, they scraped the very bottom of the barrel. Meet long-time HB “libertarian” crank Norm “Firecracker” Westwell, a dude with SERIOUS anger-management issues, who also advertises himself thusly (try not to think about sex and unicorns at the same time….)
And to keep Gina out of power, Norm had to have a running mate, which he found in unknown Kathryn Gonzales. Here’s the FPPC complaint against her, still being investigated. Now let’s move on to debunking the lies on Norm’s hate site, brilliantly entitled “Crooked Gina.”
Here is a fact-checked sheet concerning the lies, misinformation, and deliberate manipulations of the “truth” from the “Crooked Gina” hate site being sold as “Sunshine Tarvin” site and as you can see it is a collection LIES. It is in every way a hate site. Is Norm Westwell the author? As uncovered by resident and tech expert Mark Bixby, there is glaring proof that he is. Here is a list of real facts about our school board president and the changes she has created in the OVSD. The truth always prevails. What appears are lies from Norm Westwell’s hate website and then follows are facts from reality as substantiated by OVSD Board Policy, CA Education Code, LA Times articles, OVSD Board Minutes, FPPC Sworn Complaints.
LIES: From Norm Westwell
FACTS: From Reality
Things that have changed since Tarvin took over:
LIE: In one calendar year a 7% raise was given to all employees: 1% given on August 18, 2015 and October 20, 2015; and additional 6% given on March 22, 2016 and April 12, 2016
FACT: After ten years of NO salary increases and multiple furlough days, a 1% increase was given in 2014-2015 fiscal year and a 6% increase for the 2015-2016 fiscal year. School district budgets are run per Fiscal Year, from July to July, NOT calendar year. Despite these increases, OVSD pay still remains the lowest in all of Orange County and most employees pay $1,000 out of pocket for HMO health insurance to further decrease take home pay.
LIE: Three schools shut down for containing asbestos – At a cost of over $20Million the decision was made to leave asbestos in the schools. It would have cost only $500,000 to completely remove the asbestos and a 2-week delay. Gina Clayton-Tarvin led the Board to keep the asbestos so Hope View (where her child attended) would not have a delay in the schedule.
FACT: It cost far less to abate Hope, Oak, and Lake at $15M. To abate 100% of the already encapsulated minuscule amounts of possible asbestos, it would have cost over a $1M per school. A board majority decided to go with the preferred method of full abatement of classrooms instead. Under the mismanagement of the previous construction manager, children at Hope View were subjected to unsafe construction work practices that led to kids being exposed to construction dust and chemicals, the fire alarm being pulled due to a smoke cloud from work being done inside the building and construction workers without criminal background checks being near children. Tarvin attempted to stop this, but the board majority of Cotton, Pellman, and Ortiz ignored this and even skipped a public meeting, the night before school started to avoid facing concerned parents. Debbie Cotton is the trustee who literally held up the work at Oak View because she said they could wait. See LA Times article. http://www.latimes.com/tn-hbi-me-0402-ocean-view-20150327-story.html
LIE: Parents must be fingerprinted at their own cost to volunteer
FACT: Trustee Debbie Cotton argued at repeated board meetings that all parents, even molesters have the RIGHT to have access to any and all students at any time on OVSD campuses. Trustee Clayton-Tarvin vehemently disagrees. At the request of the community a new Volunteer Policy was created to safeguard our children from being contacted by child molesters. There is knowledge that there are those with Megan’s law registry trying to access our children while volunteering. OVSD policy does not charge parents to volunteer, it defines that those who wish to work more than 5 hours per week or to go on certain field trips to get “livescanned” due to student contact time. Like school employees who are required by law to get fingerprinted, this is for student safety. (Per Minutes, Special Board Meeting May 31, 2016)
LIE: Removal of Saturday Academy by OVSD Board (January 13, 2015 Board Minutes)
FACT: The superintendent, not board, removed Saturday Academy. The program created massive labor costs, wasting tax dollar to run the program that had no state mandated curriculum. The program facilitator, a private business called ARC, whose owner is a neighbor and personal friend of past OVSD Trustee Pellman and Trustee Debbie Cotton was profiting off public money to run Saturday Academy. Wasting public funds and cronyism at its worst.
LIE: Reduced the community input and transparency by reducing the number of members on the Community Budget Advisory Committee (CBAC). (February 3, 2015 Board Minutes/Board Policy and Administrative Regulation 3100)
FACT: Streamlined process to mirror City Council Committee/Advisory Board Appointments (2 appointees per Board Member) for community and board accountability to get real input from the community.
LIE: Moved meeting start time from 7PM (closed session 6 pm) to 6 PM (closed session 5 pm) to reduce working parent/community input. (February 3, 2015 Board Minutes/Board Policy and Administrative Regulation 9322)
FACT: Public meetings were moved to 6pm so that more business could be completed earlier and late night meeting endings, that waste tax dollars would end. Parents and employ time should be valued and respected, they need to be at home with their families, not waiting for late Board Members to arrive due to their own work schedules. Over the years, Trustee Tracy Pellman was tardy over a hundred times and was a no-show on the eve of the night before the first day of school, in September 2014, during the asbestos problems. Most meetings under the leadership of Tracy Pellman and Debbie Cotton ended well after midnight, due to their mismanagement and poor leadership. Staff and district resources were wasted paying the triple digit salaries and overtime of employees like the Superintendent and other staff.
LIE: Unions were given 5 minutes to address the Board of Trustees and the Public remains at 3 minutes. (January 8, 2015 Board Minutes/Administrative Regulation 9323)
FACT: Employee Associations (Unions) public comments are still only limited to 5 minutes total. However, members of the public get as many chances to speak as are on the agenda to speak. For example: if there are 40 items on the agenda, then a member of the public can speak for 3 minutes x 40 items for 120 minutes total. Employee Organizations, were given 5 minutes to present information on behalf of hundreds of employees, this is customary for Public Meetings in California.
LIE: The asbestos at our schools has not been removed as Gina Clayton-Tarvin has publicly been telling parents and the community
FACT: President Clayton-Tarvin has never said that all asbestos would be or is removed at every school site. She and the board majority gave direction to abate all classrooms, and encapsulate remaining asbestos; this has been done to DSA, OSHA, and AQMD standards. This is no secret, as this discussed at multiple board meetings in Open Session for all to hear.
These reports do not prove false allegations against Clatyon-Tarvin:
AHERA Asbestos Report clearly showing Hope View Elementary is NOT “asbestos free” as Gina claims to parents and the media
http://www.crookedgina.com/aheraHopeSum_AppB.pdf
FACT: All classrooms at Hope, Oak, and Lake are asbestos free as reported by Director Jim Choate on September 20, 2016 and verified as true, correct, and safe by the CA Department of State Architect (DSA)
LIE: AHERA Asbestos Report clearly showing Lake View Elementary is NOT “asbestos free” as Gina claims to parents and the media
http://www.crookedgina.com/aheraLakeSum_AppB.pdf
FACT: All classrooms at Hope, Oak, and Lake are asbestos free as reported by Director Jim Choate on September 20, 2016 and verified as true, correct, and safe by the CA Department of State Architect (DSA)
LIE: AHERA Asbestos Report clearly showing Oak View Elementary as NOT “asbestos free” Gina claims to parents and the media
http://www.crookedgina.com/aheraOakSum_AppB.pdf
FACT: All classrooms at Hope, Oak, and Lake are asbestos free as reported by Director Jim Choate on September 20, 2016 and verified as true, correct, and safe by the CA Department of State Architect (DSA)
AHERA_grand jury report_2016-06-30.pdf
http://www.crookedgina.com/AHERA_grand%20jury_report_2016-0…
FACT: The Grand Jury report is factual.
OVSD’s official AHERA 3-Year Management Plans
http://www.ovsd.org/Page/1579
FACT: The official AHERA 3-Year Management Plan is an excellent example of the highest quality plan in the State of California. It is unprecedented in its clarity and thoroughness.
LIE: Youtube video of Gina Clayton -Tarvin being less than truthful about the removal of asbestos from our schools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGrhnPZqpm0
FACT: G. Clayton-Tarvin talks about full abatement, which is true and correct according to Jim Choate, Director of Maintenance and Operations, at Board meeting (September 20, 2016, Minutes)
LIE: Another Youtube video of Gina Clayton -Tarvin being less than truthful about the removal of asbestos from our schools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5sUn7DYjys
FACT: G. Clayton-Tarvin talks about full abatement, which is true and correct according to Jim Choate, Director of Maintenance and Operations, at Board meeting and per DSA state law and standard (September 20, 2016, Minutes).
LIE: OVSD Board President Gina Clayton Tarvin Denying Asbestos at Lake View School
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p-BJ_ZDmF4
FACT: G. Clayton-Tarvin has never denied Lake View has asbestos. She talks about full abatement, which is true and correct according to Jim Choate, Director of Maintenance and Operations, at Board meeting and verified by DSA state law and standard (September 20, 2016, Minutes).
LIE: OVSD Board President Gina Clayton Tarvin walks away from asbestos questions by community member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCrbvP-SIY
FACT: Jim Knapp acted in an inappropriate manner to harass G. Clayton-Tarvin and was forced by HBPD to leave the private event. He met outside with Norm Westwell and Kathryn Gonzalez to debrief their actions. All was caught on tape and documented for police review and investigation.
LIE: More hard questions for Tarvin at the 7/15/16 OVSD board meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOV4hsW7I9A&feature=youtu.be
The AHERA reports have shown for years and years and years the district knew about the asbestos in our schools. It was not a problem. Apparently the only one who was surprised to learn about the asbestos was Tarvin, who then needlessly scared everyone that the sky was falling. Now she is taking the credit for “saving the children”. She needs to take credit for wasting tens of millions of tax dollars and not even finishing the job.
FACT: Any resident can question the board in Public Comments. Asbestos and its improper handling was a BIG problem in OVSD schools in 2014 due to mismanagement by prior construction manager. Students were at risk and Clayton-Tarvin safeguarded their health. You can’t spare even one dollar when student health and safety are at risk.
LIES: Tarvin wasting district time and resources on politics while students and parents and the classroom have become the lowest priority:
FACT: Supporting Oak View students and teachers and working to get Rainbow under control is not a waste of district time and costs tax payers nothing. Trustee Tarvin volunteers her free unpaid personal time to serve the school district concerning Oak View and Rainbow. OVSD classrooms are the highest priority.
LIES: OVSD board meeting public comments. Speaker Sue Gordon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnt6WL5AQ4s&feature=youtu.be
FACT: Sue Gordon abruptly retired several weeks after the AQMD Hearing in November 2015 in which Republic Services was ordered to pay over $10M to correct their 40 years of polluting children in Oak View. Gordon’s waste of district time and politicking has shown Rainbow’s lack of making students, teachers, and parents of Oak View a priority. Like Sue Gordon, Jerry Moffat, General Manager has abruptly retired, “retired and moved to Mexico”. Jeff Snow, Municipal Manager, transferred elsewhere. Why are they all gone?
LIE: Chris Epting speaks at OVSD meeting 11/3/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amyh62-i0os&feature=youtu.be
FACT: Chris Epting was fired by the LA Times after 10 years for his violations of the papers Code of Ethics and Policies, as admitted by Chris Epting himself on the Voice Forum (July 15, 2015). He obsessively harasses, libels, and defames Clayton-Tarvin and other HB residents.
LIE: New OVSD Board Policy charging parents money in order to volunteer:
New OVSD Board Policy (1240) which CHARGES parents for the privilege to VOLUNTEER at school with their student. You must submit to a lifetime of police reporting to district administrators.
http://www.ovsd.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx…
FACT: Trustee Debbie Cotton argued at repeated board meetings that all parents, even molesters have the right to have access to any and all students at any time on OVSD campuses. Trustee Clayton-Tarvin vehemently disagrees. At the request of the community a new Volunteer Policy was created to safeguard our children from being contacted by child molesters. There is knowledge that there are those with Megan’s law registry trying to access our children while volunteering. OVSD policy does not charge parents to volunteer, it requests that those who wish to work more than 5 hours per week or to go on certain field trips to get “livescanned” due to student contact time, just like school employees who are required by law to get fingerprinted. This is for student safety. No one must submit to lifetime monitoring, this is a total lie and not outlined in board policy or law. (Per Minutes, Special Board Meeting May 31, 2016)
LIE: New OVSD Board Policy (1240) flowchart illustrating the new complexities now involved just for parents to VOLUNTEER at school. State law already requires volunteers may NEVER be alone with students.
FACT: State law does not say that volunteers NEVER be alone with students, as Education Code 45349 shows. Ed Code 45349: Notwithstanding the provisions of this article, or any other provisions of law, a school district may utilize volunteers in the supervision and instruction of pupils, for instance for before school, recess, and lunchtime, but any such volunteer shall be subject to the provisions of Section 35021, this section says verbatim: 35021.1. A school district or county office of education may request that a local law enforcement agency conduct an automated records check of a prospective nonteaching volunteer aide in order to ascertain whether the prospective nonteaching volunteer aide has been convicted of any sex offense. Ed Code then follows the school district or county office of education may request that the Department of Justice provide subsequent arrest notification service pursuant to Section 11105.2 of the Penal Code. OVSD Board Policy follows Ed Code.
Why you should Vote YES on Bond Measure R – $169 Million Bond:
LIE: Mr. Larry Pratt questions OVSD Trustee President Gina Clayton-Tarvin on Bond Numbers. Tarvin needs more not less.
FACT: Mr. Pratt questioned the Board, not Gina Clayton-Tarvin specifically. He has the right to speak in Public Comments with his opinions, even if he is mistaken. It is his right to do so. Norm Westwell asked for an even larger tax on OVSD homeowners in 2012. He voted to place a $200M General Obligation Bond on the ballot and campaigned for months, speaking at Back to School Nights in favor of it, handing out flyers to parents, and sending mailers. Now all of a sudden he is against bonds? Where is the transparency?
LIE: Gina Clayton-Tarvin fails to properly report her campaign finances. (Transparency is not her thing) . Gina Clayton-Tarvin is under investigation by the Fair Political Practices Commission for allegedly failing to comply with California campaign finance reporting laws. Her blatant lack of transparency and carelessness is not a good quality for our elected leader. Send her home. Stay tuned for the outcome.
FACT: The complaint was filed about a supposed violation from 2012. The FPPC has said that an HB resident, Denise Kavanaugh signed a sworn affidavit to make her complaint a public record. She alleged that four years ago, that Tarvin violated the law in coordinating campaigns with OVTA. This is untrue; as teachers PACs conduct their own Independent Expenditure Campaign in support of candidates, which they have no control over, say in. Tarvin spent her own personal money; over $10,000 to self-fund her campaign. This is Denise Kavanaugh’s third complaint about Clayton-Tarvin. (Per
Other Public Information:
Exposing the Lies: My Interview With School Board President Gina Clayton-Tarvin
https://surfcitychronicles.com/…/exposing-the-lies-my-inte…/
FACT: Epting writes surfcitychronicles blog posts full of lies, libel, and worse. Epting was let go by the LA Times for his violations of the papers Code of Ethics, as admitted by Chris Epting himself on the Voice Forum (July 15, 2015)
LIE: Tarvin Salary History
http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/…
FACT: The website is wrong, and this is very inaccurate and outdated information, at best.
LIE: As President of the Board of the Ocean View School District Tarvin brought Carol Hansen to our district from the ABC School District where Tarvin has taught for many years. At ABC, Hansen colluded with the teachers union to protect a violent kindergarten teacher with a criminal record and was found by a judge to have fabricated evidence against the principal who reported that teacher to the authorities, in order to demote her for defying the union/administration directive to keep it a secret. This action by Hansen placed students and other teachers in physical danger, all to protect the job of one dangerous teacher. . Gina Clayton has also brought over to Ocean View another pal, Mr. Joe Weber who was a supervisor of Accounting and is now our Director of Fiscal Services. She is filling up our district with her pro-union friends. How nice of her to do this for the children.
Read about Hansen’s egregious and dangerous conduct at ABC here:
http://www.city-journal.org/…/silencing-whistleblower-11150…
FACT: Carol Hansen does not collude with anyone to protect violent teachers. Gina Clayton-Tarvin has nothing to do with Carol Hansen’s supposed actions in any case in ABC USD involving a kindergarten teacher. Clayton-Tarvin did not “bring over” Joe Weber. OVSD HR found him through an extensive vetting process, the board voted on him based on admin recommendation. ABC USD is a stable, highly respected and high achieving school district in CA, OVSD is lucky to get employees like Carol Hansen and Joe Weber.
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[Note: This has belatedly become your Weekend Open Thread. Talk about this or that.]
1. The hate site created by Westwell is a clear violation of the CA Code of Fair Campaign Practices: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=elec&group=20001-21000&file=20440-20444.
2. I’ve read that Westwell didn’t agree to sign the Code, but his running mate, Katherine Gonzalez, did sign it. I’ve read the Code she signed, and it says she must renounce any unfair or unethical campaign practices.
3. Neither Westwell nor Gonzalez has provided any specifics as to what they would do to, as Westwell says, “Make OVSD Great Again.” It would be helpful for voters to know what they are planning to do to take us back into the last decade of problems for the district.
I hope lots of folks find this worthy of sharing. Vern, fact-based reporting on truth versus lies is something we’ve not seen in a long while. Thank you!
I can’t believe anyone is is giving that social media crackhead Epting a voice. He might be connecting with HB residents who have their heads under rocks and sticks up their asses, but for my part any client or colleague that asks for a recommendation for a writing partner, I can tell you who’s not on that list. No one in the real world wants to work with an idiot who calls members of a local candlelight visual “left wing radicals”. What a small minded, fearful little fool. So how about how but some quid pro quo local activism people?
I would like to invite Mrs. Epting to my next local concert. I know it must be very difficult to live with someone who is obsessed with another woman. When someone is as angry as he is, it permeates the home and it must be very difficult for her. People talk and I have heard many stories. Where there is smoke, there is fire. I offer her a front row ticket. No “plus one.”
# 23 scariest is blaming his whole ranking on the incident where he and his son rallied hatred on facebook PRIOR TO THE EVENT (which he always leaves out of his pathetic attempt at a heroic reworking of reality) and provided the phone number for people to “light up” an organizer’s phone. Which led to harassment and bullying. But the blurb about him clearly says he got “weird” before that whole faux crisis he manufactured and then took credit for allegedly averting. Was there anything grosser than watching him accept, “thank yous” for that?
He was fired from his job due to his own behavior PRIOR to this event.
He has been obsessing over and harassing people in the community for years PRIOR to this event.
He pretended to be a little kid on social media PRIOR to this event.
He was kicked off various community facebook groups PRIOR to this event.
The Weekly could have said SO SO SO much more about him.
And didn’t Norm Westwell also threaten a private citizen in a community email group?
Fact: I’ve always associated #23 with MJ. Now I have a new association with #23. OC Weekly 2016 Scariest People Mr. Epting #23. And now Mr. Epting has engaged Ex-Felon Garofalo (also Ex-Mayor of Huntington Beach) in order to further his writing career.
Good Stuff !!! is there any city more engaged than HB ?? I doubt it, you know you’re seeing the stitches on the ball when all the special interests come out firing.
Thought CE’s multi month 24/7 not disturbing at all laser focus on GCT was all consuming and he had dropped the freedom bag BUT it turns out that he is also infiltrating the Environmental Nature Center so that he can confront all the “enviro thugs” “radical environmentalists” and “enviro nazis” in person. Way to multi task!
Now he can look all these “idiots” right in the eye and tell them how “stupid” they are to support a plastic bag ban. And fill them in on the big secret that Surfrider Foundation is in fact NOT a respected organization working to protect the coastline and keep our beaches clean but a hard leftist radical extremist group determined to destroy the American way of life.
These people are “morons” and “indoctrinated” but he can set them straight and pick up a little cash at the same time. After all freedom ain’t free ya’ll!
“Sappy” story? Evil – absolute evil – that’s what all of you are that take part in this on behalf of Gina Clayton Tarvin. You don’t have the guts to use your name – you’re a pig – an absolute pig for invoking the subject of a deceased child and mocking it. Keep talking about Gina- keep including her as part of these discussions – keep up the slavish fawning and despicable attacks. Keep creating evidence.
Vern- that you allow a comment like that to post says everything about what an absolute scumbag you are.
You people — all of you — are sickening on levels below the gutter. I’ll await the next flurry of gutless, spineless attacks. I’m guessing Gina is very proud of all of your efforts. Like a bunch of evil children serving their demented mother.
(And Hoskinson- nice to see a city planning commissioner taking part in all of this. Clearly Erik Peterson could care less about how reckless you are, but this will be shared with the rest of council; those that actually have a conscience about these sorts of inhuman attacks)
Agree with Chris, that comment should come down.
Chris, we can’t read everything. Sometimes crap gets through. Try not to make sweeping accusations.
Then why is it still up? And why has Anne Boyer not received an apology? That comment has sat up there for five days and it hasn’t bothered anyone in this snake pit. You should be ashamed of yourselves – but you’re not. Vern’s wife tragically lost a child. Yet that comment was approved.
Well, Chris, I don’t have editing rights or I’d have done it myself.
If I’d hazard to guess, neither of the editors is near a computer.
For the record, it bothers me. I think you need to tone it down about fifty notches.
*I* need to tone it down? Not the bunch of rabid hate mongers here, one of which is mocking a deceased child? Give me a break.
Yes, you need to tone it down, which isn’t mutually exclusive from anyone else’s needed behavior adjustment.
Ryan- Vern has Anne Boyer blocked so she cannot even respond to that heartless attack. So I’m posting her reply:
“”HB Momma,” when I first read your comment I had a very hard time believing that anyone would write something like that. I felt physically ill from experiencing the desecration of the life of my son. I cannot believe you are a mother, because no mother would ever say that about another mother. Whoever you are, you speak from absolute ignorance of the experience of losing a child, otherwise you would know that I will mourn my son every minute of every day for the rest of my life. And you would know that somehow one has to get through the days and one has to find ways to continue participating in life. And one has to find activities that provide a little relief through the act of thinking about something other than the child you cannot believe is not on the other end of the phone, the child who is never going to say, “hi momma!” again, or call to invite you to come watch the football game and cook for everyone again. Sorry. I’m being sappy. Just know that as much as your comment hurt me, I pity you. And I thank God I am not like you.”
Ryan – thank you for agreeing and helping to clean up that horrid mess. Much appreciated – good to know there is at least one human being here.
We’re all pretty decent.
That was an honest mistake. That comment should have never seen the light of day.
As a parent I (we, actually, choose to believe what you want) found it horrifying.
This clown.
You callin me a clown?
Olive branch moment! Who will take it?
Of course not you.
Oh man, who took down all of Epting’s ranting and raving? I enjoyed it. The rest of the county needs to see what we’ve been putting up with in HB for three years.
YOU DID! That’s what happens when you send the top-level comment in a thread to the trash! The “child” posts all become inaccessible!
If you want, just edit out the content of the “offensive” comment and put it back into place. The rest should become accessible again.
Jeez, you got a license to operate this thing?
Right- remove the comment which mocked a child’s death – the comment you actually APPROVED – and then re-pubish my reaction to it. More slimy behavior from two of the most unctuous individuals in the OC- Greg and Vern.
https://surfcitychronicles.com/2016/10/03/bloggers-vern-nelson-and-greg-diamond-attack-malign-misrepresent-hb-citizens-apparently-on-school-board-presidents-behalf/
Didn’t see it so hadn’t”approved” it; it went up automatically and I’ve been very busy walking precincts so thanks for pointing it out; it didn’t exactly”mock a child’s death” but it was close enough to be insensitive.
Hoskinson called me the other night laughing hysterically – apparently you devoted a 3-minute speech to how he shouldn’t be allowed to be a planning commissioner because he comments on this “vile left-wing blog.”
I hope you have counseling lined up for when all your mad crusades go down in flames this week.
Three minute speech? What is he talking about? I have not addressed this at comments-ever. Another lie. Funny you defend him though – one of the great Islamaphobes in the county yet you seem to take no issue with it. I hear CAIR is planning on coming to address him at council. That should be fun to watch. Though i doubt you will cover it-
https://surfcitychronicles.com/2016/03/16/fit-to-serve-a-planning-commissioners-most-outrageous-post-yet-2/
Look, you walking bag of weasel droppings — YOU ASKED FOR THE TOP-LEVEL COMMENT TO BE TAKEN DOWN! Vern, who was NOT “on duty” when the comment went up — I was, but I didn’t even know who and what the commenter was talking about — and he read your request, agreed with you, and took it down.
The effect of taking down a comment is to take down the comments responding to it as well. Something about “the importance of context,” I presume. Personally, I don’t know that I would have taken it down, because it did not “mock a child’s death” but rather accused the child’s mother of (so far as I could tell) both profiting from it and not letting it get in the way of continued active participation in blog wars. The response that I had written — which also came down — asked you for more information about those facts so I could determine whether it was a legitimate opinion or just Epting-style hyperbole … but you never got to see it because the whole thing came down.
As to your link, I’ve neither met nor communicated with, directly or through an intermediary, Gina Clayton-Tarvin. I read what is going on and I comment on it. It’s not hard to form an opinion. You make it VERY easy.
By the way, you apparently have NO IDEA what the word “unctuous” means, “professional writer” — so don’t embarrass yourself by using it. Now go back to chewing on your own leg so you can work up a nice head of vitriolic nuttiness.
This was an opportunity to act civilized.
Really didn’t need to piss on it, Vern.
Don’t leave me out of that last line of yours, Ryan.
Conservatives like to mock liberals for being “weak” and believing in unilateral disarmament. And it’s true that there are many occasions where conciliation is highly appropriate and liberals are more likely to seek it.
But not all situations are like that. Sometimes bad people need a strong — especially if it can be non-violent — response. As here.
Fine, I wash my hands of this one.
Sorry to disappoint. Last days of the race; I am not at my most gentle — at least when provoked.
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I know what unctuous means – and I think it thoroughly applies to a certain HB elected official as she as treated here in her safe space. Also, you don;t know my politics- and it doesn’t surprise me that you would have left that comment up.
Ryan – thanks for trying to do the decent and humane thing – amazing to me you partake with these feckless, reckless, irrelevant ideologues.
“More slimy behavior from two of the most unctuous individuals in the OC- Greg and Vern.”
I seriously have to wonder whether you are daft. You weren’t applying the word “unctuous” to a “certain HB elected official,” but to me and Vern. Go ahead, scamp, explain how Vern and I are “unctuous,” if you do know what it means, which I doubt.
Of course I know your politics: you’re an opportunist with a taste for felons.
I posted a comment, actually — now gone — seeking further information before making a decision. I’m not surprised that you think that that is somehow suspect, because you just don’t seem particularly bright.
Plus, Greg, the fact that you have that mother blocked from even responding reveals that you are scummier that everyone already knows you are
Nobody here has ever blocked Anne Marie Boyer.
A few HB stories ago I told her to stop commenting because she was too repetitive. And she did. But if she feels the need to have her say here about the obnoxious deleted comment tell her to drop on by.
She may as well. I hear that her AnneMarie Boyer name has been put back into FB jail for some kind of abusiveness and she had to dust off her old “Ourania Seven” account in order to keep insulting people and being aggrieved and self-righteous.
Well it’s POSSIBLE that I could have blocked her inadvertently if she had posted a sufficiently obnoxious comment from a pseudonymous account that I spammed it and rendered the IP address inactive here. But I certainly don’t recall doing so and I wouldn’t have known that it was her. Did she post any pseudonymous comments that might have elicited such treatment, Chris? Any, you know, really “unctuous” ones?
Well–given that she is STILL not able to comment here (you “men” should be ashamed of yourselves – but you won’t be) – she has asked me to shared her words-
“I have never posted here under a pseudonym. I appreciate the person who removed the comment that used the death of my son as just another way to attack my character. I messaged Vern personally and asked him if he allowed that comment. He never responded. I regret that Chris has ended up in another base exchange of insults as a result of his effort on my behalf to get the comment taken down. As for Vern’s comment that I have been banned from FB for “violating community standards,” here is the comment that was falsely reported to FB. Most of the comment is actually a repost of a teacher’s comment on our OVSD forum. That teacher has many people blocked, making it impossible for those of us who don’t agree to discuss. So I reposted with my added comment that I thought it worth discussing. If you take the time to read the FB community standards you will see that I in no way violated them. Unfortunately a small group of teachers have figured out how to game the FB reporting system. I am currently writing a blog post about this. It’s the only way I can expose this behavior without being falsely reported to FB. Ironic isn’t it, that the teachers who are up in arms about their rights to speak freely work so hard and so underhandedly to take those rights from others. Now we’ll see if this comment gets posted. If Vern has a say I doubt it. Here is the link to the message from FB informing me of my “violation.”
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-gniSNHnN9gTTgwZzU2aFBweG8/view