Paul Ryan reacts to being booed by seniors at AARP conference today.
This 30-second ad was done by a friend of mine a published on Daily Kos. To some it will be devastating; to others it will be emotionally unaffecting. How you react will probably tell you a lot about yourself. Show it to some person above age 55 near you.
This is your Weekend Open Thread. Enjoy yourselves and talk about anything you want, within reason.
About Greg Diamond
Somewhat verbose attorney, semi-disabled and semi-retired, residing in northwest Brea. Occasionally ran for office against jerks who otherwise would have gonr unopposed. Got 45% of the vote against Bob Huff for State Senate in 2012; Josh Newman then won the seat in 2016. In 2014 became the first attorney to challenge OCDA Tony Rackauckas since 2002; Todd Spitzer then won that seat in 2018. Every time he's run against some rotten incumbent, the *next* person to challenge them wins! He's OK with that.
Corrupt party hacks hate him. He's OK with that too.
He does advise some local campaigns informally and (so far) without compensation. (If that last bit changes, he will declare the interest.)
His daughter is a professional campaign treasurer. He doesn't usually know whom she and her firm represent. Whether they do so never influences his endorsements or coverage. (He does have his own strong opinions.) But when he does check campaign finance forms, he is often happily surprised to learn that good candidates he respects often DO hire her firm. (Maybe bad ones are scared off by his relationship with her, but they needn't be.)
Yeah, kind of like how the Mayor of LA thought that nay meant yay on the voice vote at the DNC for the platform change…I guess when people are in front of the mic it is tough to hear.
Like the wording in the party platform statement, he was just trying to “make the most of his God-given potential,” and hear what the party wanted him to hear. Since the hall was only half full, maybe he was hearing what he thought the other attendees would have voiced.
It was an embarrassment. The follow up was even worse of an embarrassment. Hint…if you have to ask for a vote 3 times and still know that you don’t have the votes, just be honest with yourself and say so.
I make calls for Obama’s re-election every week, and I’ve noticed a shift in the Republicans that I encounter on the phone. They used to be quite adamant that they were voting for Romney, and they had reasons why.
Now it seems that they are anxious to get off the phone as quickly as possible, and not have to admit who they are voting for. The ones that do stay on the line aren’t real proud of who they feel they have to vote for, and certainly aren’t enthusiastic about what they are going to do.
We are calling Colorado, and I’m sure that they are also getting battle fatigue at this point.
Well, Mitt has finally provided his 2011 tax returns…now that Sept 15th has passed, he now has all of his K1’s. Shows how our system is geared towards investors vs wage earners…one of many ways the government picks winners and losers in our tax system. I look forward to diving into the return shortly.
Well considering some of my replies are as long as a lot of original stories, I will see what I can do…busy weekend, but maybe a late night of research/review/writing.
Hate to throw cold water on that idea, but is it really newsworthy? I mean, don’t we already know he uses a professional accounting firm to prepare his taxes and that they work to eliminate or reduce every tax obligation they possibly can? And that much of Mitt’s money lies offshore, protected from US tax obligations? The bigger story is the many years of tax returns he still refuses to release.
I guess that is why you and everyone else has the choice in what they read and what they deem to be important. If you were to look at his return and compare to some others, you would see that he likely is leaving some things “on the table”…not that it changes the fact that he has more wealth than most of us combined, gives more to charity than most of us earn, and pays a lower tax rate than some of us.
Greg Diamond
Posted September 22, 2012 at 9:47 AM
Given that he can amend his return after the election, I think that we have to presume that he’ll only have paid 9% on his 2011 taxes once the dust has settled. (My suggestion is that he refile taking all of his deductions and then make an irrevocable donation to the U.S. Treasury for the added amount of his rebate — which amount to the same thing, unless he does plan to get back all of that money once the votes are counted. Doesn’t this seem like an incredibly slimy possibility?)
Demagogue
Posted September 22, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Greg, if he doesn’t amend his return and settle up so that he only pays what is required by law, then in his words if he “paid more than is legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president.”
Oh what’s a sociopath to do?!
Greg Diamond
Posted September 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Connive?
TJLocalSA
Posted September 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM
Greg, would you assume the same thing about the POTUS? Everyone has the right to amend their tax returns if there was a reporting error. Obama and Romney both should amend if they later determine that there was an error- I would also hope that they would notify the public of such event. Everyone also has the right to determine if an allowed deduction should be claimed on their tax returns…there is a lot of grey in tax. I personally have a lot of “well, what is your risk tolerance” type conversations with clients…I am sure that Romney had some even more intense discussions about it.
Greg Diamond
Posted September 22, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Has President Obama proclaimed that he has not taken millions of dollars in deductions, so as to keep his tax rate safely above 13%?
Come on — the two aren’t remotely comparable. Romney is just manipulating things — potentially (in fact likely) temporarily — to make it look like his 2011 tax burden is higher than it is (and likely higher than it will turn out to have been. That’s not a “reporting error” — it’s a clumsy public relations gambit. If he really want the higher 2011 tax burden, take all of the deductions now and make an irrevocable donation to the national treasury.
He’s not going to do that, is he? Why not? (Because it’s not irrevocable, for one.)
I saw that on CNN. I almost fell on the floor laughing! Maybe in Ryans “opposite” world, he thinks “boo!”really means “yay!”
Yeah, kind of like how the Mayor of LA thought that nay meant yay on the voice vote at the DNC for the platform change…I guess when people are in front of the mic it is tough to hear.
Like the wording in the party platform statement, he was just trying to “make the most of his God-given potential,” and hear what the party wanted him to hear. Since the hall was only half full, maybe he was hearing what he thought the other attendees would have voiced.
That was not a proud moment for the Convention.
It was an embarrassment. The follow up was even worse of an embarrassment. Hint…if you have to ask for a vote 3 times and still know that you don’t have the votes, just be honest with yourself and say so.
That’s a tried-and-true method of meeting-chairing, going beyond parties. I’ve had it done to me at more than one Democratic Party meeting.
Anyway… Medicare. Love the ad!
I make calls for Obama’s re-election every week, and I’ve noticed a shift in the Republicans that I encounter on the phone. They used to be quite adamant that they were voting for Romney, and they had reasons why.
Now it seems that they are anxious to get off the phone as quickly as possible, and not have to admit who they are voting for. The ones that do stay on the line aren’t real proud of who they feel they have to vote for, and certainly aren’t enthusiastic about what they are going to do.
We are calling Colorado, and I’m sure that they are also getting battle fatigue at this point.
Nothing scientific, just an observation.
Well, Mitt has finally provided his 2011 tax returns…now that Sept 15th has passed, he now has all of his K1’s. Shows how our system is geared towards investors vs wage earners…one of many ways the government picks winners and losers in our tax system. I look forward to diving into the return shortly.
Maybe it’s time for the first TJLocalSA post!
Well considering some of my replies are as long as a lot of original stories, I will see what I can do…busy weekend, but maybe a late night of research/review/writing.
Hate to throw cold water on that idea, but is it really newsworthy? I mean, don’t we already know he uses a professional accounting firm to prepare his taxes and that they work to eliminate or reduce every tax obligation they possibly can? And that much of Mitt’s money lies offshore, protected from US tax obligations? The bigger story is the many years of tax returns he still refuses to release.
I guess that is why you and everyone else has the choice in what they read and what they deem to be important. If you were to look at his return and compare to some others, you would see that he likely is leaving some things “on the table”…not that it changes the fact that he has more wealth than most of us combined, gives more to charity than most of us earn, and pays a lower tax rate than some of us.
Given that he can amend his return after the election, I think that we have to presume that he’ll only have paid 9% on his 2011 taxes once the dust has settled. (My suggestion is that he refile taking all of his deductions and then make an irrevocable donation to the U.S. Treasury for the added amount of his rebate — which amount to the same thing, unless he does plan to get back all of that money once the votes are counted. Doesn’t this seem like an incredibly slimy possibility?)
Greg, if he doesn’t amend his return and settle up so that he only pays what is required by law, then in his words if he “paid more than is legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president.”
Oh what’s a sociopath to do?!
Connive?
Greg, would you assume the same thing about the POTUS? Everyone has the right to amend their tax returns if there was a reporting error. Obama and Romney both should amend if they later determine that there was an error- I would also hope that they would notify the public of such event. Everyone also has the right to determine if an allowed deduction should be claimed on their tax returns…there is a lot of grey in tax. I personally have a lot of “well, what is your risk tolerance” type conversations with clients…I am sure that Romney had some even more intense discussions about it.
Has President Obama proclaimed that he has not taken millions of dollars in deductions, so as to keep his tax rate safely above 13%?
Come on — the two aren’t remotely comparable. Romney is just manipulating things — potentially (in fact likely) temporarily — to make it look like his 2011 tax burden is higher than it is (and likely higher than it will turn out to have been. That’s not a “reporting error” — it’s a clumsy public relations gambit. If he really want the higher 2011 tax burden, take all of the deductions now and make an irrevocable donation to the national treasury.
He’s not going to do that, is he? Why not? (Because it’s not irrevocable, for one.)
anyone get to see the space shutle fly by?
Yeah, it was awesome! Just happened to be driving around as it veered over Central OC.
So when do we get to see the ObamaLyin’ web article?
Go ahead, tell us what he’s Lyin’ about. This is as good a place as any. Come on, be our jest.
He’s lyin when he says that he thinks Romney is a good guy.
Here it is:
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Wanna see it again?
(Ah, the junior high school classics!)