I found this article out of Florida. Will this be another ‘Stand Your Ground Defense’?FORT MYERS, FL -A probable cause affidavit reveals chilling details about the murder of a salesman in the driveway of a home in Cape Coral Wednesday afternoon. The suspect allegedly shot the salesman in the head “for effect.”According to the report, Nicholas Rainey and two other men were going door to door selling meat. Rainey was at the house at 1815 SW 30th Terrace and knocked on the door, but no one answered. As Rainey walked down the driveway, a vehicle, driven by Kenneth Roop, pulled into the driveway.Roop told Cape Coral Police he yelled, “What are you doing in my yard?” Rainey allegedly said, “I’m here with meat.” Roop told police Rainey’s tone of voice, attitude and demeanor made him nervous. He said he was scared because the man was walking toward him and he didn’t know what he had in his hands, reports said. Roop said he removed his Glock from his pocket, aimed and fired at Rainey .Rainey dropped to the ground face down.
Roop said he fired a second shot in the man’s head. When asked why, he told police “for effect.”
Roop later told police he was still in fear of the man, even as he was falling to the ground because he believed Rainey was reaching for something.
Police wrote in the report that Roop demonstrated what he meant and that it appeared as though Rainey was just grabbing his chest where he was wounded, reports said.
Roop told police he has three no trespassing signs on his property and Rainey should have respected that, according to reports.
It was just a few months ago that Trevon Martin was shot dead because he was wearing a hoodie, walking to his mom’s condominium in Sanford Florida. His alleged killer,George Zimmerman was recently asked what he thought about killing Martin and he replied ” I think it’s part of God’s plan”. Really? That’s his answer? This guy won’t even man up and admit he killed Martin because he figured he was up to something, so he decided he had the right to be his judge and executioner. The Florida Stand Your Ground Law, seems to give guys like Zimmerman and Roop a sense of empowerment to take the law in their own hands. It smacks of the Wild West if you ask me. Florida passed the Stand Your Ground law in 2005. Before that Florida averaged about 12 ‘justifiable homocides’ a year. Since then its tripled. I would like to be protected from civilians running around with concealed weapons thinking there is someone lurking around the next corner planning to do them harm.
Then we have James Holmes aka The Joker, who got all dressed up in military attire and shot up a movie theater of people in Colorado. How does the public respond? By purchasing even more guns! They think they can just shoot their way out of any situation. Its completely insane! Word is now coming out that Holmes was under a psychiatrist’s care. If this is true how the Hell did he get to buy guns and $3,000 worth of ammunition? Now thats crazy! I would like to be protected by wackos brandishing enough weaponry to start their own war, thinking they are acting out the part of some comic book character.
I cannot believe with all these killings by individuals who clearly shouldn’t own a slingshot let alone an assortment of weapons that we refuse, as a nation to even have a serious discussion about gun control. No instead we create laws like In Florida where some idiot interprets the law that he has the right to kill someone ‘for effect’ because he thought a man carrying a box of lobster tails was going to harm him. Am I the only one thinking we who publicly claim (and will fight to the death anyone who dare challenge this ) to be a Christian nation has gone completely mad?
We are told we cannot discuss gun control right now because people are in mourning. I think this is exactly the right time to discuss gun control because in a week Americans will forget all about it, except those families dealing with the loss of their loved ones. I am sick and tired of gun owners telling me that they need there guns for self protection. When my son was in high school I remember him telling me that one of his classmates accidently shot herself with her father’s gun. She was playing around with it and killed herself. I wonder if her parents argued the case they needed protection? I argue she needed protection from her parents who kept a loaded weapon in an unlocked box. My son used to go over her house to play video games. If I had any idea there was a loaded gun in their house I would never have let him go over there.
Last weekend two men, Manuel Diaz and Joel Acevedo were shot and killed by Anaheim police in two different incidents, which touched off 3 days of protesting. I would like to be protected from rogue cops who think putting on a uniform gives them the right to kill when someone who doesn’t stop as fast as they would like. I heard the suggestion of cops using rubber bullets to stop suspected individuals who choose to run. That idea sounds more than reasonable to me since it seems to work against protesters.
I know that neither candidate running for President will dare suggest that we ban assault weapons. Doing so is political suicide. So how many more killings are we going to accept in order to feel safe? When do we say enough is enough?
*Guns don’t make the man! Guns are tools. Some people should never touch a table saw…..some should never touch a hammer. Too many should never touch a chisel, sharp screwdriver or even a cross cut file.
The hype over owning 25 firearms is ridiculous. You can only shoot ….ONE at a time,
unless of course you have 24 very close friends that can help rob that liqour store or bank.
The message here is simple: A brain must be attached to use any tool, vehicle or firearm on the planet. Obviously, the Pirates in Somalia should be the first to lose their right to own firearms and we should assist the world in their disarmament.
Little comes from onerous laws for those that are law abiding; to prohibit very bad criminal behavior. We do have laws and penalties for those that forget that actions have consequences. Of course if folks that have a personal depression about their own consciousness – perhaps it would be better to simply put their own actions on hold. Stop smoking, stop diet drinks, stop their own very bad behavior and start helping others in times of trial. Just a thought!
Winships,
It would be helpful for you, in the future, to confine your thoughts to the subject of the post.
I don’t care if people choose to eat, smoke, or drink themselves to death. Its their choice. Picking up a gun and shooting someonelse is also a choice. The difference is eating, smoking, and driking will not affect me…except second hand smoke (and I have no problem telling someone to stop smoking around me), but I don’t have a chance when some idiot starts shooting for whatever reason. I am all for having guns as long as they are the ones that were around when our Founding Fathers were alive. Muskets for everyone!
“Muskets for everyone!”
Inge – Bad health habits of all kinds including wounds by firearms cost each and every
one of us. Just because it is not a member of your family that consumes 2 six packs of Diet Coke a day and weighs of 300 lbs and has huge health problems with payments to insurance that do not equate………They are all equal. Bad or drunk drivers that kill the innocent, bad or drunk or abusive parents that harm their children or animals – all are as equally culpable.
A Social Contract says: “I will do no harm to my fellow man unless it is to save the life of myslef or my family or my friends or any deserving innocent I can assist.”
That might in fact require the use of a firearm in some cases.
My question is, how often does an assault weapon with a hundred round drum magazine protect the innocents, compared to how often do these militarized weapons get into the hands of a lunatic and wreak havoc upon society ?
Does the risk outweigh the benefits ?
Does the risk outweigh the benefits ?
Yep, it sure does.
Cook you’re right. I said it backwards……So does the benefit outweigh the risk? I don’t see the benefit of letting people have big mags.
What’s wrong with reloading ?
*Demo…..is that you again? Please wire yourself a memo! How does a can of Diet Coke get into the hands of a 300 lb. relative? Why is there more fizz in a Diet Coke at 35,000 feet than regular Coke? Why does it take twice as long to pour at that altitude?
So, falling for your trick again… ……..100 Round clip or a door gunner in a Huey helocopter with a thousand round belt fed electric gattling gun…….it only takes one bullet to kill someone. ONE.
In some cases this is called murder and people can either spend life in prison or suffer the death penalty. ONE bullet that kills a liquor store clerk is just as deadly as anyone with multiple rounds expended and only hits a victim ONCE! It could have been a single shot rifle or a black powder Muzzle Loader.
Guys, that is dumb. Anyone can tell you, hundreds of rounds makes it hundreds of times more likely that you’ll kill hundreds of people. Duh. Or are you suggesting getting rid of ALL bullets?
The adults here are having a serious discussion about gun control, and Ron is blabbering on about how fizzy his coke is in the big jet airplane.
So finish your creamed spinach and let us try to make some sense of a horrible tragedy, and what we might be able to do to prevent it from happening again.
These are real people who have been killed or maimed, and some are still in medically induced comas because they took a bullet through their eyeball into their brain, and all they did to deserve that was go to a movie. And you’re rambling on about who knows what.
Have some respect.
“Will this be another ’Stand Your Ground Defense’?”
I don’t think so.
I am a member of the NRA and a supporter of 2nd Amendments rights. But if the facts of this case are accurate, I hope the shooter fries.
*Chairman Vern,
It is quite understandable that those who are not familiar with firearms like to pick on Dirty Harry, Rambo, Steven Seagall Movies, The Terminator and a variety of Hollywood images as why “guns are bad when they can shoot alot”. The truth of the matter is that for home defense, a good shotgun will do just fine – which in most cases holds no more than eight shotgun shells. Remember the young mom with the two little kids and the two bad guys trying to break down her door….did….and one guy died and the other guy ran away. She had a shotgun and did use all her ammo.
The reason for high capacity magazines is very straight forward. If you are the Korean Guy in Los Angeles when the OJ Riots happened and you wanted to defend your business…..he used eight round magazine with back-ups and had to engage up to 10 people. He did just fine and they didn’t burn down his business.
Next, social unrest, fires, earthquakes and a whole bunch of other reasons why you may have to defend your life or property from a number of bad guys….like a gang or two perhaps. These folks are armed and have no qualms about putting people down to take property or to do physical harm in crimes of opportunity. This is when you would be really happy to have a 20 or 30 round magazine – if you had to defend yourself. As we mentioned at aleast a hundred times. 100 Round Magazines, even
50 Round Magazines are very prone to jamming…..not working…..stoppages…..useless firearms that don’t work. What more do we have to
tell you people.
If people are going to talk about how bad a certain firearm is…..please have the common courtesy to have actually shot the firearm…..so you know what the heck you are talking about.
Meanwhile – God Bless the Skallywag – but happily, you are not a judge! The Aurora Shooter is an open and shut case. What don’t you know about “Deranged Nut Case”
that you might find to be more informative?
Michael Phelps will win 5 Gold Medals…..by the way…in spite of his 4th place finish
tonight.
Since Ron has never used a thermo-nuclear weapon, he may not comment on who should be able to use it.
That makes sense.
Winships,
If you are referencing the Ft. Myers Florida case – I am saying that if the facts as reported are accurate and there are no exculpatory facts being left out, that I hope the bastard shooter receives the punishment that he deserves.
And thanks for the nice thoughts – God bless the Winships as well.
*Demo – my finger was on the trigger….but I didn’t have both keys. “Yippee-eye-O-Ki-yeh mofo bro!” Bruce Willis said that, we think, Remember….the fix needs to fit the crime! Are or were there reasons to use our nukes? Of course…just ask Japan!
Skally – no, we were talking about the “Jimmy Boy (wish my psychiatrist was home) in
Aurora, Colorado….” Are you talking about Zimmerman and Trayvon? ….thought that was in a different town.
Sugary drinks and firearms are apples and oranges. They don’t even belong in the same sentence, unless it’s Dan White using it in his *Twinkie* defense.
Inge – No kidding. The next thing you are going to say is: Nails and Plastic Bags are Lemons and LImes! Both are dangerous if used in the wrong way Mr. Aware! Like don’t drink a Margarita with a plastic bag over your head. Should they pass new laws on plastic bag use? Oh, that’s right….they have banned them in some places…guess everyone should …right?
The Orange Juice Blog discourages consumption of margaritas while one has a plastic bag around one’s head. For one thing, you spill a lot of the margarita. We also discourage it while discharging automatic weapons.
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. Gun owners want their guns because they THINK they are safer. How many of these gun owners actually take a class where they actually engaged in a gun fight? I bet most shoot at targets, cans or unarmed animals. Aiming a gun at someone who will shoot back is not the samething. Most people are clueless.
http://www.hockscqc.com/gun/index.htm/
Here’s a story that will make you roll your eyes…
http://a.abcnews.com/US/va-couple-accidentally-shot-gun-safety-class/comments?type=story&id=16200662
I am not the only one. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/is_america_crazy_20120729/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
*As competitive action pistol shooters….we can tell you….that most gun ranges are drying up because of insurance issues. It is getting tougher and tougher to shoot
NRA action pistol and the like. But there are in reality….lots of folks that do it. You could easily say the same thing about active duty police. When we went through the Citizens Police Academy they offered us a variety of police firearms to shoot in modified bad guy engagements…which were very realistic. Being a good shot however doesn’t mean that when you encounter five bad guys that want to take your car and wife….that necesarily – someone will rise to the occasion.
The culture has changed a great deal in the last few years and now many gun stores like Grant Boys want you to take actual “firing experience Gun Safety Classes” before you take your bright and shiny firearm home to mom.
Most gun accidents occur because someone doesn’t unload their firearm when they go to clean it after about 18 months. The people that are most dangerous are the so called Macho Guys…that think they don’t need to take a, NRA Firearms Safety Course.
Ron & Anna – is anyone shooting back at you? target shooting is not the same as experiencing exchanging fire.
It would be pretty hard to exchange gun fire if you do not have a gun.
How does that saying go? Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.
If a killer did not have a gun, they would use a knife or poision, or the easiest weapon used to kill the most every year, the simple automoblie.
Those car-related fatalities are generally not intentional homicides, cook, as you know. A small fraction of the use of a car is as a weapon. A small fraction of the use of a gun is NOT as a weapon.
Inge – *Wouldn’t be prudent. We want to keep our guns thanks! We would advise anyone wanting that type of training to join up Army or Marine Corps and head out for
Afghanistan. They say you can get wonderful modern training there! Otherwise, you can just join the LAPD….that is one Department that has constant openings.