If there is one thing I have come to realize while under attack by the Liberal OC bloggers, it is that the Orange Juice blog is of utmost importance to a fairly large online community here in Orange County.
At one point during our recent settlement discussions, which as you all know by now went nowhere, I decided to test the Lib OC crew by offering the Orange Juice blog to them on a platter. They offered only $5,000 for this blog, which is laughable. Our true value is incalculable. The Lib OC guys just don’t get it. I guess they are used to working on a blog that doesn’t matter and has no value.
My intention is to create a non-profit to run the Orange Juice. Vern Nelson will continue not only as Editor but as our CEO and Chairman of the Board. Any profits we generate will be used to cover our costs, and pay Vern for his hard work. The remainder will be donated to charities our Board will select.
If any of you know any lawyers that can help us turn this blog into a non-profit, please pass along that information to Vern. The sooner we get started with that, the better. Click here to contact Vern.
There are plenty of political blogs here in Orange County. But there is only one Orange Juice. We will survive the Lib OC’s efforts to muzzle us. And we will continue to make a difference.
Thanks for reading this blog!
I think that is not such a good idea see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)
However, to organize OC Bloggers Association would be.
Whether or not you establish a board and non-profit status, please consider the development of some guidelines or standards that set forth some expectations of posters. I say this because some posts seem very sophmoric and focus more on the delivery of insults and name calling rather than providing a thoughtful view on topic. I know you do not believe in any kind of censorship, but at least guidelines or standards would reflect who you are and could serve to elevate the stature of this blog. And, if you have done this already and I have missed it, I apologize. Best of luck going forward.
Been Around,
Starting with Art! 🙂
I don’t really understand what’s being proposed here, maybe we should talk about it.
PS. That image is creepy!
I Like that image.
The orange person appears to be Don Chameleonowski trying to infiltrate the Orange Jujce.
“Chameleonowski”
LOL, I like that one, Stan. Whatever meds you’re on right now, stick with em.
haha, who knew stan would have the best bags! haha
Russian Vodka generic.
However, I know my check points in Santa Ana Comrade Vern.
See you tonight at CommunistLink next to SAPD13 pops Pulido is speaking there.
Doesn’t the United States Constitution’s First Amendment cover your rights to free speech as well as those who chose to post on this blog?
You could create an board and incorperate, a non-profit status would likely contain to many restrictions. Someone with some legal background could adivse the best way to do it.
It will cost you about $1,000 to incorporate in California do it your self.
and every year $1,000 minimum corporate taxes.
Since the Blog can be published from other state the Nevada is about $100 but you will need an agent in Nevada. There is plenty on the web how to do that.
Vern, from an organizational standpoint think mission, values and vision. My suggestion focuses on development of values for the content of posts the site wishes to encourage. Not a control thing, just a statement of philosophy that I know some who post will choose to ignore. Bottom line, what are the values the management of this site subscribes to and with regard to wording and content and are they willing to walk the talk in their own posts in hopes that others will take it to heart. (Of course, this assumes those values do not embrace the sophmoric approach I mention). Perhaps I am suggesting embacing civil discourse vs. just discourse. Not sure myself.
Well, color me juvenile, but – as much as I appreciate “civil discourse” – if it doesn’t come with a nice dash of rough humor, I fall asleep.
*Dr. Pedroza….Sir!,
With all due respect “Godfather of the OC”…let us mention a few things to ponder:
First of all, we would have to incorporate the blog as a 501 C-4……not a C-3 which
has many more advantages. This reason for this is simple…..C-4’s can render Opinions
on Political Issues….a C-3 cannot…without putting its Charter in jeopardy.
Secondly, all 501’s need to be approved by the State of California. We can have our
Charter – Drawn and Quartered….anytime the Government would like to subject it to
any “new or proposed internet regulations and laws”.
Thirdly, you can just Nominate and Elect a CEO of a 501-C4 without a vote of the Board
of Directors. The minimum membership is three: President, Vice-President and Treasurer.
Normally, five or seven members is preferred.
There are serious rules for disolution, for tax liabilities and for operation on the internet.
The correct course is to secure the “pro-bono” services of a “Intellectual Property Attorney”.
It is all boilerplate stuff…that almost anyone can do on the web….but in order to assure that
all the “I’s” and “T’s” are taken care of…….we would support finding that IPA for the purpose
of putting our little C-4 on the map. Additonally, we need a Bullet Proof CPA as our designated
Treasurer. These are usually all “volunteer positions”, which are lucky to get free pizza when
we meet at Domino’s or Little Joe’s! No one gets paid….until a vote is taken by the board. Our
belief is that it should be done bi-annually. We are not adverse to seeing our Editor in Chief
receive reasonable renumeration….but it should not be an on-going obligation. It should be
based on how much is brought in every six months – and how much can be reasonably paid out without bankrupting the Organization.
rw
Well this still sounds kind of crazy to me, but we DO have a “bulletproof CPA” on the team – Commander Francisco Barragan!
And all this C-3 and C-4 – sounds like explosives. I like that.
That is because you do not utilize your perfect English comrade Vern and did not click on my link above.
Kindly here it is again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c).
*Thank you Stanley….indeed…if you fail to follow the specific rules…..you could easily
cause more IRS, Franchise Tax Board and State Regulatory action than might be easy
to deal with.
The Proper Course in our Opinion…is for Art to create a “Corporation S” entity….with
15 to 20 Stockholders….which are also Board Members. This would endemnify the participants
and spread the risk. Additionally, you would just need to file a simple Franchise Tax Board
and IRS form annually which denotes that amount that came in and the amount that went
out. This our onsite CPA (and Board Member)….should be easily able to accomplish every
April 15th…
The other possibility is to create a Tax Exempt Foundation…..to give disabled or minority
kids……money for college or university – in the form of grants. This would require a full
time local person who would bring in donations from around the county and state. Those type of people are usally paid 20% finder fees. You could then pay our Editor in Chief…anything you wanted….as long as the board agreed. The good news is……maybe two or three kids
a year could go to a State or Private University……in the name of “The OC”! You need two
required Board Meetings per year. These meetings could then be paid for attendance by
the Foundation. At a reasonable rate of course. No junkets to Hawaii!
rw
*Forgot the biggie…..You can Incorporate a Chapter S Corp in Delaware or Nevada and
possibly avoid the State Tax issue….maybe…maybe not….but we would leave that to our
CPA for their expert advice!
Doing business in California means paying tax in California, no matter where you incorp.
501 c or any other non-profit, does not mean NON-PROFIT.
If your business does not make money, it goes Out-Of-Business.
A sub S would be a good choice, but a vote of the board members can eject a CEO etc. Just like Minute man founder Gilgest(sp) found out.
Ron & Anna are giving sound advise.
Rule number one if this is done should be that private e-mails or personal $$ issues are to be off limits for posting material.
A few other basic groundrules should also be set to avoid
any legal issues, that could arise from individual posters. That would be best to be worked out with a legal advisor. We want to make sure all different views are allowed and free speach protected.
A difficult balance at times to be sure.
I make a contribution…..I’ll start self censoring
“F” the Liberal OC and Red County……..
Here are guidelines I found when I explored the possibility of comenting on an on-lline Register story:
Comments are encouraged, but you must follow our User Agreement.
1. Keep it civil and stay on topic.
2. No profanity, vulgarity, racial slurs or personal attacks.
3. People who harass others or joke about tragedies will be blocked.
Perhaps if the OJuice had such guidelines this would be a very lonely place.
LOL. You went out, gentle sir, and explored other websites?
You’re right, the thin skin begins outside our front door.
BAW. We do have a similar set of standards, at least I have stated so several times.
There is no need to introduce profanity or vulgarity in your response to make your point. While others may disagree I try to encourage readers to add all the comments/opinions and challenges they wish so long as you stay on topic/thread.
i.e. Don’t add comments about Bush when discussing the financial mess in SAC.
Personal attacks should not be part of any comment. Again, make your best argument and together, we will lift the bar.
Larry,
Once again you have proved what a thin-skinned hypocrite you are;
” I try to encourage readers to add all the comments/opinions and challenges they wish so long as you stay on topic/thread.
i.e. Don’t add comments about Bush when discussing the financial mess in SAC.”
Larry’s comment from the post “last chance to bash the Lib OC”;
“Perhaps we should follow Obama’s lead and blame Bush 43 for the current upheaval.”
In Larry’s world it’s OK to bash and blame Carter, Clinton and Obama (he spent the last 8 years blaming Clinton for 9-11) but anything about Reagan or the Bush’s record, it’s “don’t look back out of the rear window”.
anonster,
Don’t be too harsh on Larry. He is one of only a few Republicans who is willing to put himself on the line here. And he refrains from the Mexican bashing that has overtaken his party. He is a good guy and he helps balance out our coverage.
Judging from his comment — no profanity, no personal attack and extreme love for the HOA socialistic housing — Lari ain’t Republican.
Stan. I’m sure there are some Czecks in our family tree.
Stanley. When we lived in New Jersey (or Florida) we never had a HOA. It was only when we moved to Mission Viejo’s master planned community that we got our first exposure to brown shirt policy’s.
We do have choices as to where we live. At times I would prefer the good old days where I could pull engines out of my cars with block and tackle chains on the tree on our sidewalk. The neighbors loved me, especially after I moved.
“We do have choices as to where we live”……. another proof that you are a socialist Larry.
The “unalienable rights” are no subject to a choice.[emphases added]
If they are to you, than you have not clue who the GOD is. [I am an atheist and know]
The HOA fascism has nothing to do with your engines, block and tackle chains on the tree on a sidewalk. You were just a jerk then as you are now taking an advantage of the HOA terrorism.
Stanley. Remember. No personal attacks . Therefore go back in your hole.
Truth is no personal attack!!!!
You said what you done in your neighborhood.
That would be nice if you can destroy your non HOA neighborhood and no one could personally stack you….. huh?
Who should I attack for your sins?……. huh?
Stanley.
Over the past few years you have constantly expressed your frustration to me re HOA’s. What’s your problem?
Do you live in an HOA?
If you are unhappy with CC&R’s why not move to an area that does not have specific rules of what you can and cannot do on your private property.
Was your home foreclosed because you failed to pay your HOA dues? That was the case with a friend of a former member of the Juice family.
Within a year of buying this home I was sued by our HOA because I failed to plant grass in my front yard. Come on down. We still do not have any grass. We were finishing our back yard and swimming pool and were in no hurry to jump through hoops when a contractor bailed on us.
Feel free to ask Newbie to drive by and confirm palm trees and shrubs but no grass in our front or rear yards.
What bugs me about you Larry is your political dishonesty.
On one hand you promoting some pseudo religious values and on the other hand you never speak out on HOA fascism, which is totally non-American concept to live under corporate rules, bypassing the constitution.
And do not give me that CC&R crapola and to move somewhere else if the HOAs are virtually mandatory and were they are not there are Community Association to fill in the gap.
I want America based on the constitution and not based on the CC&Rs.
You claim that you are big constitutionalist yet promoting CC&Rs.
That makes you to appear dishonest and anti-American dude in my book.
Therefore, time to time when you print to much of your BS I will remind you that it is a BS.
Stanley.
As you and I have never met you are clueless as to my opinions on CC&R’s.
We moved into Mission Viejo on the recommendation of a co-worker when I transferred from the east coast and had never been to CA previously.
At the closing I was handed a huge CR&R package which to date, just like someone’s health care bill, I have not fully read.
Anti American. Now that’s a low blow Stanley.
Do you wish to see my honorable discharge papers?
Unlike president Obama, who refuses to release his OFFICIAL birth certificate, I brought back a book entitled “Obamaland” from Hawaii last week that has a copy of his birth certificate and his birth announcement in the local newspaper.
Stanley. I would argue that I am more American than our president who until recently would not stand in front of our flag.
We just purchased a new flag as our prior flag was worn out. We do fly our flag proudly on every holiday and will do so again on 9-11
Anonster. I do look out my rear view mirror and have not be thrilled with Bush 41 or Bush 43. Nor have I bashed Bill Clinton over “the last 8 years” when this blog is not that old and I have only been a member of the team for four. You lose any credibility, if you ever had any to start with, by wild accusations with the power of your keyboard.
In my world its OK to bash anyone who deserves it including our RINO Mayor and RINO councilman Frank Ury whom I have criticized in the past 48 hours.
Larry,
My mistake, I should have said you’ve been blaming Clinton for almost 9 years, because that’s how long ago 9-11 was or do you finally admit that it was ALL due to Georgie’s negligence?
Oh by the way;
“In my world its OK to bash anyone who deserves it including our RINO Mayor and RINO councilman Frank Ury whom I have criticized in the past 48 hours.”
OFF TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OFF TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Please people….don’t watch the Glenn Beck Special or Tivo it…..it will cause brain damage!
Meanwhile, relax and just tend to your knitting… (hope non of this offended anyone!)
rw