The Minutemen are in an uproar because the City of Santa Ana decided to hold this year’s Fiestas Patrias event on September 11. They are protesting tomorrow, March 31, at the Mexican Consulate in Santa Ana , from 7am to 9am. The Consulate is located at 828 North Broadway, in downtown Santa Ana.
Counter-protesters will be there as well.
Normally the Fiestas Patrias event is held around the middle of September, but in order to hold the event on a weekend, the City of Santa Ana opted to start the event on Sep. 11, which of course coincides with the terrorist attack our nation suffered when members of Al-Qaeda destroyed the Trade Towers in New York. Over 300 Mexican nationals died in that event. The Minutemen either don’t know that or they don’t care.
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Holding this a event is a disgrace on two levels:
1.
Mexico should not be a country to celebrate. Thousands of people have died in just the last 2 years from drug violence. 20% of Mexico’s population is here most are illegal in this country due to the fact that Mexico could neither provide a job or a basic quality of life. Mexico does not educate its people, its infrastructure is a mess and it is run by a bunch of corrupt pigs.. So it may have its independence, but it is dependent on the USA to feed, cloth and cater to many of its people- not to mention that Mexico relies on illegal Aliens from Mexico sending back money!
So my question is what is there to celebrate- really it should be an event to qet as many Mexico has they can together in Santa Ana so they can speak about school failures, bad parenting and to sign up for English class!
2.
Three thousand people citizens died on (9/11 – most of them American citizens. It may be a ridiculous celebration to hail a disgusting country – but most important it is a day of morning for many Americans!
Santa Ana does not represent the American people- it represent the people of another nation, and its corrupt and decaying culture!
Sorry for the typos, i am disgusted with this one.. Santa Ana should be ashamed of itself, i doubt though its people who relies so must on Americans will care!
Agree or disagree with Lupe, you just have to admire her passion and willingness to stand up for what she believes even when it’s not popular. She’s a brave woman and worthy of our praise.
Michele, I could not agree with you more. This should be a time of sadness for Mexicans who must realize by now that Mexico will never amount to anything. If the day arrives in the U.S. when we are forced to go to war with Mexico, one has to wonder if the Mexican Americans will be as patriotic as the Japanese and German Americans who fought alongside us against their former homelands. I have my doubts.
The rancher in AZ who was murdered by the Mexican national was trying to help the guy and he shot not only the rancher but his dog… What did the Mexican Activist say- it was just a fluke!
I am not a fan of Mexico, I think it is a disgusting country who allows children to beg on the street and has people building home out of trash. But a people are the product of their environment.
Instead of Santa Ana encouraging Mexicans and other latin third world people to adopt American values ie.. Education.. they encourage loyalty to a country that has brought the Mexican people noting but misery and disgrace!
Michelle Q.:
You state:
1) “Mexico should not be a country to celebrate. Thousands of people have died in just the last 2 years from drug violence.”
My RESPONSE:
What is the ROOT CAUSE of this violence?
The High DEMAND for illegal drugs in the US.
These Thousands of deaths are the direct result of the drug dealers fighting primarily among themselves for the ability to ship drugs into US. Get rid of the Demand for Illegal drugs in the US and the crime will go down both in the US and Mexico.
Also, It is illegal in Mexico to own guns. Guns come primarily from the US into Mexico, which further destabilizes Mexico.
“Calderon’s government has sent more than 45,000 troops to drug hot spots to confront the cartels. Cartels have responded with a vengeance, unleashing unprecedented killings. More than 15,500 people have died from drug violence since 2006. The government says most of the dead are smugglers.”
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-mexico-drug-lord-captured,0,7036984.story
A separate unrelated point: The US is fighting future terrorists /jihadists in Afghanistan/Pakistan. The US is engaging in targeted killings and drone strike against militants that may pose a threat to the US.
Should the US or the Mexican govt engage in targeted killings of drug dealers (in the US and other countries) and drug USERS who are posing a threat to the US and Mexico, since they are the source of this instability but the USERS are primarily AMERICAN??? (see my immediate point below).
“Yeah Let’s celebrate in the US, we are #1 in the US!!!”
1A)
We the US are the “world’s LARGEST CONSUMER of COCAINE (shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean), Colombian heroin, and Mexican heroin and marijuana; major consumer of ecstasy and Mexican methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center”
From the CIA FACTbook:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
1B)
We are also by far the World’s LARGEST DEBTOR nation (maintaining our “high” standard of living on borrowed credit and money we don’t have)
External debt (as % of GDP): 95.9% ;
Gross external debt: $13.67 trillion (2009 Q3) ;
2009 GDP (est): $14.25 trillion
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959/The_World_s_Biggest_Debtor_Nations?slide=2
1C)
We also have the world’s LARGEST TRUE National DEBT of About $54 Trillion (about $34 Trillion was added by the Bush Administration and Republican controlled congress from 2000-2006). Compare this to our Total US economy of about $12-14 Trillion.
2) You state,
“20% of Mexico’s population is here most are illegal in this country”
My Response:
False. The illegal population from Mexico is about 5% (The Total illegal population is most reliably estimated at 12 million about half are from Mexico, which means 6 million.) Therefore 6 million illegals of 111 million-the Total population of Mexico is 5% and NOT 20% and therefore also not MOST.
From the CIA FACTbook:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html
3) You state:
“So it may have its independence, but it is dependent on the USA to feed, cloth and cater to many of its people- not to mention that Mexico relies on illegal Aliens from Mexico sending back money!
My RESPONSE:
There is financial cost to Illegal immigration (an OUTFLOW). But there is also a financial benefit to the US (an INFLOW) because of several reasons, BUT the NET EFFECT IS A POSITIVE FINANCIAL Benefit to the US.
While the COSTS are higher in CA because of services provided to illegals, the NET TOTAL effect in the US is either negligible or ZERO.
AND there is an ADDITIONAL SEPARATE side benefit to US Households from illegal immigration. Illegal Immigrants produce goods and services at a lower cost, which translates to lower costs to American Consumers, which translates to higher net Disposable Income to American Households. (these financial impacts and benefits from independent non-partisan studies).
Additional points: Taxes are withheld from Illegals, but because of “crooked employers” this money is not turned in to the US government. Also, the US govt holds several hundred billion dollars of unclaimed money that illegal can NOT collect ON when they pay social security taxes.
4) Michelle Q: you state:
“Three thousand people citizens died on (9/11 – most of them American citizens. It may be a ridiculous celebration to hail a disgusting country – but most important it is a day of morning for many Americans! Santa Ana does not represent the American people- it represent the people of another nation, and its corrupt and decaying culture!”
My Response:
The tragedy of Sept 11 was an attack on the civilized world, because there were many people from all nationalities although the majority were American and we suffered the most. Mexico lost 300 of its citizens. The intent of the event has been to celebrate freedom and independence (an American Value); and to remember the fallen of Sept 11.
How sad to label Mexico a disgusting country.
Would you also label the US a disgusting country because of the US being the largest consumer of illegal drugs, which causes crime, prostitution, and destabilization of the American family and other countries and their societies, and because we are the world’s largest debtor, or the country in the world with the largest National debt?
I would hope you would keep your broad hasty generalizations in check.
5) Furthermore think about the courageous response of the Mexican President in fighting the drug cartels, and of the many Mexican mayors, police and military that have been assassinated for standing up to the drug thugs.
But more importantly, think also of the SIZE of the MEXICAN response.
Mexican President Calderon has mobilized 45,000 troops to fight the drug cartels (and remember the ROOT cause is the Demand for Drugs in the US).
By May 2008, close to SEVEN years into the war in Afghanistan against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, President Bush had only sent 33,000 troops. And yet the US economy is 10 times larger, the US population is 300 million vs 111 million in Mexico, and the US military is the strongest and spends the most than all of the world’s militaries combined.
See:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/world/asia/03military.html?pagewanted=all
With respect to trying to do more to fight corruption or threats to its existence how does the Mexican response compare to the US response in Afghanistan as mentioned in point #5 above????
Again, I would hope that you and others would keep your broad hasty generalizations in check.
Francisco J. Barragan CPA, CIA (my opinions only and not those of any organization)
Professional Profile:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscobarragancpacia
Francisco,
Please don’t infuse documented facts into a discussion involving Ms. Quinn, it will do you know good. She is driven by hatred and you can not hold a rational debate with such an irrational being.
#3 you say:
“Agree or disagree with Lupe, you just have to admire her passion and willingness to stand up for what she believes even when it’s not popular. She’s a brave woman and worthy of our praise.”
My RESPONSE:
I don’t think ignorance should be praised.
While this protest is of a different nature, I repost a prior post relating to the motivations of this group in protesting against the Mexican Consul, especially given that the one’s that control this event is the CITY of Santa Ana, and NOT the Mexican Consul.
I reprint a prior post below of March 1st, 2010 at 8:37 am which I posted as my observation of a Minuteman protest, which included Lupe M.
http://newsantaana.com/2010/02/28/naui-huitzilopochtli-takes-on-the-minutemen-in-santa-ana/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewSantaAna+%28New+Santa+Ana%29
“While everyone has the right to express their view on such a complex issue of illegal immigration or any other, last time they were there I saw some very DISTURBING actions by this “minuteman group”.
One, I was standing by and observing, and I had my US flag and US Marine Corps pin on my jacket (I served on the US Marines & CA Army National Guard). The guy in the “USA cap” was shouting at anyone passing, (ladies and children included) and opening the door to the Mexican Consulate and shouting things like go back and take your diseases with you.
Now understand this, the Mexican Consulate is an OFFICIAL delegation conducting official business for anyone that needs to do official business in Mexico, or for travel into Mexico. (It could be US citizens or US Resident; along with citizens of other countries and not just Mexican citizens.)
One of the ladies going into the consulate asked me (with her daughter who appeared to be about 6-7), “are you in the US Marines?” I said yes I was a Marine and served from 1987-1994. She replied “my daughter is also a Marine and she has been serving for about 6 years.” Now mind you this is the same lady and 6-7 year daughter whom this guy in the cap got into their face telling them to take their diseases back, assuming that because they are brown skin or Hispanic looking that therefore they must be illegal and disease carriers.
When I was in the Marine Corps we always said that every Marine, every American is an “Ambassador” for their country, and we were warned not to be the “ugly American”.
Now, these people hiding their prejudices behind the US flag, are turning the American flag into a threatening symbol of intimidation, not just for the mother and baby sister of this US Marine, but for any other citizen of any country coming to do official business at the Mexican Consulate.
Secondly, they had signs stating things such as the “Mexican Consul is a thief and steal bread from the poor”. Now, I know that I still live in America where everyone is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. Now where was this evidence of illegality. Or is it suddenly okay to engage in character assassination of an official delegate if it suits your prejudiced stand. Furthermore, the majority in the US is Christian (Protestant & Catholic). A Judeo Christian value is that “you shall not bear false witness”. Now is it okay to again bear false witness if it suits your prejudicial purpose.
The “Lupe” lady was stating her opinion that the Mexican Consulate should close and that the US should only allow ONE Mexican Consulate for the whole United States (She was also shouting that the Mexican Consul was a thief). This just exemplifies the ridiculousness of their simplistic ignorant impractical comments. Think about it, all US Citizens or US residents would have to travel from any place in the US to just one place in the US. This would affect the rights of US citizens, would make it prohibitively expensive to US citizen and businesses, would harm the environment even more because people would have to travel enormous distances, and would harm the US economy as Mexico is a major and key trading PARTNER of the US.
I did have a one-on-one civil conversation with “Jim” an older silver haired gentleman with the minuteman group. I listened patiently while he expressed his concerns of illegal immigration, and he also listened patiently while I expressed that I believe that people’s heart is in the right place as it pertains to illegal immigration, but that unfortunately we let simplistic, ignorant comments or arguments guide our behavior that have the opposite effect of harming us in the US not just in the short term but also in the long term. I expressed that a complex issue as illegal immigration needs to be addressed and solved comprehensively.
I expressed my individual opinion and in no way was I representing any group or organization.
Francisco Barragan
Orange County”
God that Lupe Moreno is SEXY!
# 3, you state,
“This should be a time of sadness for Mexicans who must realize by now that Mexico [WILL NEVER] amount to anything.”
MY RESPONSE:
What a bigoted response.
You also state,
“If the day arrives in the U.S. when we are forced to go to war with Mexico, one has to wonder if the Mexican Americans will be as patriotic as the Japanese and German Americans who fought alongside us against their former homelands. I have my doubts.”
MY RESPONSE:
Wait, you are NOT just an individual with a Bigoted response, you are a fear and hate-monger of groups you despise because of your irrational prejudice.
Well, but let me help you, you do NOT have to wonder.
1) Hispanics in the US (which consist primarily of Americans of Mexican descent) have been fighting in America’s defense since the American Revolution.
1A) See the link below for “Hispanics in America’s Defense” for a historical summary of various contributions by Hispanic Americans since the American Revolution, published in 1982 by the US Defense Department, which includes at least 37 Hispanic US Congressional Medal of Honor recipients, the highest honor the nation can bestow. [The number is now 43 Hispanics that have earned the US Medal of Honor, with FOUR of these BORN IN MEXICO], and many others have been selected as worthy of receiving this highest of honors.
1B) Per page 40, “Hispanic American have shown that if there is a theme to Hispanic participation in America’s wars, it is: ‘First in…Last to leave’ ! ”
1C) See also Lt. Everett Alvarez Jr.; 1st American Pilot & 1st Hispanic-American POW from Viet Nam, and confirmed as the longest confined POW (8 1/2 years) in US history (pg 38.)
http://www.navy.mil/navco/pages/ssp/reference/hispanics-def.pdf
2) UMMM, Let’s see who caused the most loss of American lives in the History of the US, including all the casualties from all the wars the US has fought in???
UMMM, I wonder. I know, It was the Treasonous separatists of the South that wanted to BREAK up the UNITED States of America, and who because of their BIGOTRY for over 100 years denied African Americans their Constitutional rights and civil rights and liberties through the Jim Crow laws.
3) Umm Let’s see, what was the response of most all US Born Americans of Mexican descent who were “deported” (about 2 million US BORN Americans of Mexican descent) in the 1930’s and 1940’s under the “Repatriation Act” just because they were brown skinned and with a Hispanic surname???
Most all came back and served in defense of the USA during World War II, and many lost their lives in defense of the US, when sadly America lost its way at it pertained to them, because they believed in the Greatness of America, even if temporarily America was not living up to its ideals.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1403814/posts
Francisco Barragan (my opinion only and not those of any group)
Francisco,
Thank you for your intelligent, educated and articulate comments.
“My RESPONSE:
What is the ROOT CAUSE of this violence?
The High DEMAND for illegal drugs in the US.
These Thousands of deaths are the direct result of the drug dealers fighting primarily among themselves for the ability to ship drugs into US. Get rid of the Demand for Illegal drugs in the US and the crime will go down both in the US and Mexico.”
MQ says:
A large group of Mexican nationalist calling themselves, “the family’, in spanish were caught dealing drugs here in the US.. The reason for their drug dealing? they wanted to start their own state within Mexico , why? Because they believe they can do a better job running their own state.
Mexico’s corrupt government has done nothing for their people and now it is coming back to bite them in the ass!
What is a uneducated, poor people do when they have no hope and no future – they turn to crime.
yes the demand is here, but the root cause is the fact that the Mexican government has done nothing to bring its people out of poverty and educate them… drug dealers are not born they are made.. they are a product of a corrupt country!
“Should the US or the Mexican govt engage in targeted killings of drug dealers (in the US and other countries) and drug USERS who are posing a threat to the US and Mexico, since they are the source of this instability but the USERS are primarily AMERICAN??? (see my immediate point below).
“Yeah Let’s celebrate in the US, we are #1 in the US!!!””
MQ says:
Drugs should without a doubt be legal.. make drugs legal, sell them as they do cigarettes.. People will do what they want to do, making drugs illegal just makes them expensive and therefore a great cash cow for criminals.
“here is financial cost to Illegal immigration (an OUTFLOW). But there is also a financial benefit to the US (an INFLOW) because of several reasons, BUT the NET EFFECT IS A POSITIVE FINANCIAL Benefit to the US.”
MQ says:
Even if illegal immigrants are a net profit to the US (with i am sorry they are not) does it justify American citizens having to put up with a increase in crime, schools that are low preforming, and decrease in wages?? Even Cesar Chavaz knew that farm workers wages would go down. That the farmers would fire American citizens to hire low cost illegal workers… which they did!
I can not answer all you questions now, i will do it later.. But do i think Mexico is a disgusting country.. it is beautiful on the outside, but it is disgusting on the inside.. due to a corrupt government and a people not willing or not able to fight for a decent life.
Barbara Coe, Lupe Moreno, and a couple dozen Minutemen protest outside Santa Ana’s Mexican Consulate? Ah, memories. One of my first stories on this blog…
http://orangejuiceblog.com/2008/05/las-pendejerias-de-may-day/
Bla bla bla
Those people are there almost every morning.
Dum move on the city’s part on the date, Sept. 11th. But since it is a half a year away, they should have no problem in moving it back a weekend.
I hope that this years Fiestas Patrias is real good.
We lost 2 black history parades so the funds could cover this years Fiestas Patrias.
Cook, our Fiestas Patrias Event is covered by Mexico- via the Mexican Consulate. I invite you to attend the planning committee mtgs. I do.
This event is fully funded by the Mexican Government, the rental proceeds from vendor space/booths, and corporate sponsorship – for which there is a lot of hard work conducted by volunteers who solicit donations from large Latino Businesses: i.e food products, small and large businesses, etc.
So don’t try to antagonize our black community and poison them against the Latino Community- it won’t happen we know how to work together and we do so with joy. Now the African American community groups should organize the way the “32 por Mexico” group does and they should attend the Fiestas Patrias Committee mtgs. we will be honored to translate for them and perhaps they will enhance their event planning strategies/fundraising.
“We lost 2 black history parades so the funds could cover this years Fiestas Patrias.”
COOK, I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT—NOT TRUE!!!
Ok here we go: You said,
“My Response:
The tragedy of Sept 11 was an attack on the civilized world, because there were many people from all nationalities although the majority were American and we suffered the most. Mexico lost 300 of its citizens. The intent of the event has been to celebrate freedom and independence (an American Value); and to remember the fallen of”
No it was an attack on America.. just as attacks take place in london and in france. They targeted America, because they wanted to kill Americans and kill as many as possible. So to state that is was an attack on the civilized world is just not the fact.
“Would you also label the US a disgusting country because of the US being the largest consumer of illegal drugs, which causes crime, prostitution, and destabilization of the American family and other countries and their societies, and because we are the world’s largest debtor, or the country in the world with the largest National debt?”
America is a massive country and i agree, is losing it values, and culture due to liberal ideology. Baby boomers are running this country with the Aryers Mentality.. Social justice, welfare, entitlements.. The worst generation ever is running this country into the ground.. My generation are at the mercy of a greedy, elitist population that hates everything this country was founded on.
I believe that a guess worker program is a great idea. I believe that all welfare should be cut and that just because you have a child in this country does not give you the right to burden the tax payer.
I just want to ask you a few questions francisco: Should the American people pay for another nations poor?? if the answer is no, then what is your solution?? if it is Yes, then should American tax payers get a tax credit if they have a large majority of illegal immigrants in there community to pay for a private education because their local school has become a title 1 school due to a high majority of Spanish Speaking students and low parent envolvement in their child’s education – which is a problem that plagues a lot of schools with a high hispanic majority.
It is easy to pull facts and quotes to try to win the debate, its another thing when someone asks a question that you may not want to answer… All i know is what i have found out about how much it costs our local school district when it comes to the children of illegal immigrants.. Also what it cost’s our local government in food stamps, cal works, caloptima, shelters, non-profits.. Federal and local payouts for services that goes directly to the children of illegal immigrants.
It makes total sense to me that low wage workers at a massive scale would flood any system and will weaken it due to a need for services that they can not afford. low wage workers don’t make a lot of money.. So do you think that they put more into the system than they take out?? if the answer is yes.. How is it possible, it would not make common sense.
If they have not a SS# how then do they pay taxes?? low wage workers in most cases do not get health insurance.
I expect you can answer these question for me.. It would be interesting to hear what your take is on illegal immigration, and please i would like your view, not la raza’s!
Thank you for taking the time to debate with me.. 🙂
I am also curious to know your take on the Ramos case: the illegal immigrant who murdered a man and his two son in SF.. What do you think law enforcement should do when it comes to illegal gang members??
I guess your not going to answer my questions??
Its amazing all the hype, no substance when it comes to advocates for illegal immigration from south of the border, I guess!
Michelle keep switching those meds, scooby—- good luck hope you find some that actually work
You have proven that you have some sort of unusual resistance to them! LOL
For Entertainment Purposes Only…Just In Time
what – are you trying to medicate me so you can, “CONTROL MY MIND”?
Look, Rover, unlike some who see you as the underserved and the vulnerable.. I see you as a pit bull, there is nothing vulnerable about you and your cause..
So you take the meds, i will stick to a clear mind – thank you!
Still waiting on my questions to be asked – what to try Rover:)
Wow-none of our hispanic activist,s want to answer a couple questions. Is it a suprise to anyone?
Maybe not pit bulls and more like snakes:)
Seriously Quinn take your MEDS!!!
The Mexicans hate America especially the Whites ..they love our Handouts,our jobs,they fly their flag on our soil like they are PROUD OF THAT RAG??????If they are so proud then stay in METHICO….You broke our laws to get here and you want RIGHTS????You deserve nothing but the same in return a one way trip back to your beloved Methico…..We Americans are sick of you claiming you are native…What a crock of =====//// ..Thats like saying Russians can cross into any country that borders them and say its my right I am from this continent…..I know that is hard for uneducated masses to comprehend but it is TRUE…Next argument is well Whites dont belong here….Oh yes we do by reason of Kennewick man the oldest remains found yet in USA proven to be CAUCASIAN!!!!!!If Mexicans want USA AS THEIR COUNTRY….WELL THEN GET READY FOR OUR 51ST STATE,,,,MEXICO USA ….IF YOU CANT RUN YOUR COUNTRY THEN AMERICA WILL….GUESS WHAT PLANS ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY TO JOIN THE UNION….FAIR IS FAIR….WELCOME TO AMERICA AND WE WILL LOVE OUR NEWEST STATE MEXICO……AT LEAST ONCE MEXICO IS UNDER USA RULE THEN THE TABLE IS BALANCED….AND YES IT REALLY IS COMING VERY, VERY SOON…..MEXICO USA…..I LIKE THAT…..YOU CAN STILL KEEP YOUR FLAG AS A STATE FLAG….I WELCOME MEXICO OUR 51ST STATE ….NOW LETS LIVE IN PEACE…
MICHELLE QUIN,, YOU ARE RIGHT IN EVERY WAY…TRUTH IS TRUTH AND YOU ARE TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH…I GUESS BECAUSE YOU LIVE AND BREATHE WHERE THIS IS HAPPENING SO YOU SHOULD KNOW…FIRST HAND…KEEP UP THE GREAT POSTS.
QUINN,,,,,SPELLED WRONG SORRY!!
@ Northstar and Quinn:
This is a very complex issue that does needs to be resolved. Something to keep in mind is many of your stereotypes and ignorant assumptions are from the outside looking in. Many of your generalizations are just plain wrong. When this country was founded who do you think came from Europe? The rich? I don’t think so, it was the poor looking for a better life. Same thing is happening now with the poorest coming from Mexico and South America to find a better life. Mexico is a beautiful country with incredibly successful and wealthy parts. What you see is the poorest of Mexico and it is the minority in Mexico, yes Mexico needs to continue to grow as a nation and it does have corruption just like we have here. If I took someone who was in America for the first time to a trailer park in Alabama they would think our country was a dump. So it’s just dumb to assume that Mexico is a disgusting country when you have no idea of the amount of pride and love those people have in their country even though it’s flawed.
By the way what’s so wrong with having a Mexican flag around? Ask yourself if it offends you in the same when you see Irish or Italian Flags? We all have two flags (or more) in this country unless you’re Native American.
Hey JG this story is OLD!
Come and comment on one of these immigration-related stories instead:
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/06/is-allan-mansoor-purposely-trying-to-sabotage-the-costa-mesa-fairgrounds-deal/
or
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/06/immigration-trilogy-three-interesting-tidbits/
Thanks Vern.
Some of this people that allow this behaviour to think that all mexican are criminals are ridiculous , who i think that were criminals are the Europeans that took and steal the land from the mexican,and push all the mexican back into mexico to gain the land Arizona Texas California Nevada Utah or lets face what happened to the real americans Native American…. get a grip mexican people lets get the land back… and push the europeans back were they came from, england iris german etc vietnam
Some of this people that allow this behaviour to think that all mexican are criminals are ridiculous , who i think that were criminals are the Europeans that took and steal the land from the mexican,and push all the mexican back into mexico to gain the land Arizona Texas California Nevada Utah or lets face what happened to the real americans Native American…. get a grip mexican people lets get the land back… and push the europeans back were they came from, england iris german etc vietnam