What is up with the ICE raids in Orange County? The O.C. Register has reported that 66% of the raids have involved immigrants who were non-fugitives with no criminal record. Compare that to L.A., where 88% of those detained were either criminals or fugitives. And in Riverside/San Bernardino, only 12% of those detained were non-fugitives with no criminal record.
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Nice picture. I’d like to see a an illegal immigrant from Guatemala pull that crap in Mexico City and see what happens to them. Are you going to be fair and say that Mexicans are racist against Guatemalans?
Do you think it’s sad when American citizens who commit crimes go to jail and get separated from their families too? I don’t think we would say the solution is to not enforce the law. There can be no such thing as a non-criminal ILLEGAL ALIEN!
I know, I know, but they haven’t committed any crimes since they broke that first one, right? Well, there is that matter of them continuing to break “that first one” every moment they are here. Then there is the matter of rampant ID theft/fraud in order to claim services and money that are only appropriate for poor AMERICAN families (where’s your compassion for them?) What’s that called again when you take something that doesn’t belong to you? They break the law every time the drive a car and endanger Americans’ lives on our roads and freeways.
But enough of that, how many of the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of poor, illiterate people from Mexico, Central, and South America that desperately want in this country DO YOU think we should continue to absorb? What about the rest of the world’s poor not fortunate enough to be situated closer to our borders and yet 10 times as poor as the average Mexican? Seems a bit unfair when you think about it.
Los Angeles county just released a report estimating that illegal aliens cost them 1 BILLION dollars a year, how much do you think we are losing in Orange County?
I’m surprised that a commisioner on the Santa Ana city council who faces the constant problem of gangs and their increasing violence thinks that more illegals/keeping the ones that are here is a good idea.
Of course, if you think this is just a matter of hating Mexicans consider this:
If I ever invade your country, drag down your wages, quadruple your crime rate, impose my language on you, decimate your neighborhoods, destroy your infrastructure, steal your identity, and spread previously eradicated diseases all while demanding that you pay for my medical care, education, and living expenses – feel free to level angry comments at me too! I don’t think you’ll believe that your motivation to do it is racism. There are a lot of racist comments floating around in the ether – from “whites” and “hispanics” – but you hardly have to be a racist to be angry at illegal immigration. Stop acting the only reason anybody has to hate illegal immigration is racism. It really makes you sound stupid.
art n2justice was right . what part of the word ILLEGAL DONT YOU GET . ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL .look up the word maybe one of these days you will use in your post . who cares what kind of illegals they deported . they broke the law . they are not suppose to be here . try this in mexico AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS if your a illegal . i am all for what ice is doing .the more raids the better .
So what would you do?… Mr. FreeSpaeech-60Minutes-LarryKing-OathViolator???
Any immigrant who is living here and does not have legal status in this country is a criminal. Protect those who do have legal status, stop protecting those who do not. There is a difference.
Sooo Fax. The Mexican government has it right on immigration policy. What other aspects of Mexican law should we as Americans embrace since they as a country have their act together? One look at the differences between Mexico and the US tells me all I need to know about their society and where I want to live.
I always love how the immigrant bashers break out the term illegal to justify their hatred. Oral sex is illegal and people do it all the time. I don’t see anyone marching the streets protesting those lawbreakers.
playing the race card again eh. what part of illegal don’t you understand? come to this country through legal channels, or don’t come at all. if you’re here illegally and get caught, thats the way it is. you get deported. whinning and pulling at peoples heart strings is nonsense.
“Oral sex is illegal and people do it all the time”
In which state you living #5???
GO ICE!!!
Please make Santa Ana your “test city” and see how fast you can rid our streets and neighborhoods of the illegal ilk that ruins our quality of life each and every day.
And PLEASE, take Arturo Pedroza with you. Let see what he can do South of the Border…
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I didn’t write comment #1
It is you the socialist who is telling us that Mexicans must retain their culture in USA. Yet it is their culture which is their biggest enemy.
I never said any such thing. I do believe that everyone has the freedom as an American to live they way they choose.
I just returned from NY. A trip through little Odessa tells me that recent Russian emigres’ are in no hurry to embrace American culture (whatever that means) and yet no one seems to be too worried about it.
I bet there are illegal immigrants in that community and I hear no one advocating ICE raids in that part of town.
why don’t the so-called illegal’s just do the paper work and pay the huge entry fee?
Talk about breaking the law. Did you know that a “sailing permit” is still required of alians leaving the USA,
Reconquista, get used to it, and learn espanol – you’re all gonna need it soon enough. I think it’s hilarious how those of European descent (I don’t like the term “white people”) are so anxious and uptight about losing Orange County to the Mexicans. Look at the history of California, and what do you see? The first inhabitants, the various indigenous peoples, were eased out of the picture through the missions (with good intentions). Those tailing along with the missions settled in, and eventually Mexico won independence from Spain (by the way, Corona del Mar used to be in Mexico – why didn’t they change it to Crown of the Sea like they changed El Toro to Lake Forest?). The US was always interested in obtaining Texas (which didn’t want to be part of either Mexico or the US), and California, and in the mid 1840’s – uh oh! – a war! Santa Anna was no match for Polk’s army, and the Hidalgo Treaty provided California and the rest of the southwest states to the US for about $15 million. Why? Because we wanted it! Why not? Who wouldn’t want California? Who wants to go to Huntington Beach (Playa de Huntington?), Mexico? It wouldn’t have nearly as much paved parking if it were still Mexico, and the 4th of July celebration wouldn’t be nearly as fun.
I wonder if the Mexicans (the ones living in California, Mexico in the 1840’s) were concerned about Fr
“History lesson, plus personal commentary, is now ended, and the Reconquista may resume.”
Unfortunately for you #13 the only think which is resuming are deportations.
Eventually we will have to build wall not only around the Mexico but also around every Barrio like Israelis do around Palestinians.
You never really see any good arguments in favor of illegal immigration. It’s always these weak arguments like “where’d your ancestors come from” or “we lived here first”. Completely irrelevant to the reason why illegals come here. I’ll give you a hint guys: it isn’t because of the LAND. The dirt on this side of the border is the same as the dirt on theirs and there is more space south of the border than there is to the north.
No, this isn’t about land, this is about opportunity. It’s because of the opportunity that real American citizens and real legal immigrants have provided over the years. It’s the rights we have recognized in the Constitution and our freedom that allows us to succeed on the same kind of dirt your countries fail on. That’s what millions and millions and millions of poor, illiterate, and desperate illegal aliens are killing. You guys ought to be thanking your lucky stars that we took over this territory, otherwise there wouldn’t be anywhere to flee from that craphole of a country you claim to be so proud of. Yeah, “Reconquista” – great idea – make this place as crappy as the place you just fled! You guys are real geniuses! Sounds like you guys have the brains it takes to make this place a paradise once your “master plan” is complete. I mean, look at the vacation spot Santa Ana has become!
To RHackett:
Mexico is hardly the only country that controls it’s borders. All countries have this right and it’s a slippery slope fallacy to assume that means a devolution of culture to Mexico’s third world standards if we control ours. Actually the opposite is true, but for someone who think that Mexican life and culture is a bad thing and that the U.S. shouldn’t emulate it, you sure seem to like it and want even more of it when you support illegal immigration.
To RHackett:
Mexico is hardly the only country that controls it’s borders. All countries have this right and it’s a slippery slope fallacy to assume that means a devolution of culture to Mexico’s third world standards if we control ours. Actually the opposite is true, but for someone who think that Mexican life and culture is a bad thing and that the U.S. shouldn’t emulate it, you sure seem to like it and want even more of it when you support illegal immigration.
What’s your point? You brought up the fact that Mexicans who are here are being resistant to assimilating. I brought up the point that this aspect of immigrant behavior is not unique to immigrants from Mexico. Yet no one seems to care about the non-assimilation of immigrants who have European ancestry. I went to Milwaukee several years ago and saw the same thing I saw in Little Odessa only the community was German. No one gets all vocal about either groups having store fronts or publications written in a language other than english in either of those communities. And as I stated earlier, no one is advocating ICE raids to roundup and deport those who are suspected of being here illegally.
Why is that fax? What makes immigrants from Mexico so special they deserve that treatment yet other groups don’t?
There is no doubt that the Movement is anti- Mexiacan. A more productive way to examine the question of this prejudice is to look at the Culture that Mexicans bring to this country. Disregard for the law, a “family” oriented social structure, machismo, revenge-the true roots of fascism, recent addition the booming narco traficante music scene- all point to the fact that ppl are not anti- immigrant, they are anti-Mexican and this is for many very good reasons.
Disregard for the law, a “family” oriented social structure, machismo, revenge-the true roots of fascism, recent addition the booming narco traficante music scene- all point to the fact that ppl are not anti- immigrant, they are anti-Mexican and this is for many very good reasons.
All those things have been said about the Irish, Italians, Chinese, Cubans, and just about any other number of immigrant groups as they assimilated into American society.
What’s your point? That somehow Mexicans are different? Your true colors shine through like a klieg light in a dark room.
A solid eighty percent of the American people let the U.S. Congress know they wanted the government to put the brakes on illegal immigration; they turned thumbs down on the President’s guest worker amnesty plan; and they wanted tax-paid services to illegal immigrants stopped.
Most Americans understand that new laws are not needed to stop illegal immigration. What is necessary is repeal of some laws granting taxpayer-financed services to illegals along with enforcement of existing laws. These two acts would be enough to stop the migration.
In simple fact, they are called “illegal” because they are breaking the law.
California taxpayers paid $79 million for illegal alien health care. Four major Los Angeles hospitals were bankrupted and shut down in 2004. Texas paid $74 million. Georgia ran a $63 million deficit for 64,000 unpaid doctor visits in 2002. Cochise County, Arizona spent 30% of its annual budget on uncompensated care to illegal aliens. University Medical Care in Tucson, Arizona spent $10 million on uncompensated care to illegal aliens. 77 hospitals in the four Border States now face financial emergencies. Legal U.S. citizens are forced to fly emergency patients to other cities for treatment. Taxes are going up to compensate.
The average American does not hate Mexicans, just the illegality of what is happening.
By continuing to trumpet this kind of post, you are actually encouraging the kind of behavior that you claim to despise.
Are they really arresting non criminals?
Why would they arrest someone who had broken no laws?
Scapegoating the undocumented is just a diversion. The real issue is that the borders and ports remain unsecured. We should all fear dirty bombs and other terrorist activities that can be carried out over the open border policies that this nation practices.
Who among us would not come to the US if we had the unfortunate circumstances to be born south of the border, wanting a better life for our families? I am hard working and I understand why immigrants would do whatever they could to come here, work hard and build a better life.
The open border practices of the US encourage illegal immigration. It benefits big business and it is deliberate. If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who are remiss in their duties to secure our borders.
Go ahead the advocate the deportation of Santa Ana’s working class. The slum lords and the tax revenue will suffer greatly. You want to see your revenues and your property values steeply decline? Just get rid of the working class of undocumented families.
Santa Ana, you backstab the people who contribute the most. Pathetic.
Mexicans are La Raza Cosmica- self proclaimed. They are racists pure and simple. All this clamor is window dressing.
RHackett:
Hispanics are likely targeted most often for immigration enforcement because their numbers make up the largest segment of illegal immigration by far. In terms of numbers, they are the largest group of illegal immigrants ever to populate the U.S.. That seems to me to be the simplest and most rational reason.
I’m not arguing that hispanics should be singled out while german illegals are overlooked, but when people talk about the subject illegal immigration, they tend to discuss it in the context of what the overwhelming majority of that group is. There is no controversy about this. This isn’t a matter of debate. It just is. Whatever the second largest group of illegal immigrants are, their numbers are dwarfed by hispanic illegal immigration. I think you know this already though and you’re just fishing for a response that will allow you to write it off as a race issue. If you read my initial post, you would see that there are plenty of reasons to find illegal immigration destructive to this state and country. To suggest that it’s all race is pathetically dismissive and dishonest. There are plenty of hispanic citizens and recent legal immigrants to this country that are just as pissed off about illegal immigration as I am.
The lack of assimilation of 20 million foreigners, 25% of which reside in this state, is a huge problem compared to several thousand scattered across the country.
The short answer is: you can’t do everything at once and I prefer to start with solving the biggest and most significant problems first.
fax,
No. The biggest group that illegally entered this country was the Western Europeans – English, German, Dutch and French. They then murdered most of the Native Americans.
Well, the French were not quite as bad. They did at least try to trade with the natives. And they allied with them against the English.
The Spanish also killed some twenty million natives in Mexico and Central and South America. But they at least married the survivors.
May I remind you that California had a government in place long before General Washington crossed the Delaware. And our first state constitution was writ in Spanish.
As for lack of assimilation, we have not exactly made it easy for folks to come here, much less assimilate.
We need to make it easier for immigrant workers to get work visas.
We need to give those who have American children a path to citizenship.
And we need to expand free trade throughout Latin America. And give folks a chance to build industries that will keep their workers home.
If Mexico falls into Venezuela’s sphere of influence, rest assured, you will be very sorry.
We need to make sure that democracy continues to proceed in Mexico. They now have free elections. Hopefully a free market – sans the crushing monopolies – will eventually emerge.
The biggest problem in our country is not the immigrants. It is a Bush administration that has bankrupted us and left us in debt to the Chinese.
But that stands to be rectified next year, one way or another.
Art,
Reading your post reminds me the drivel which Adolf Hitler wrote to clam Sudetenland and started WWII.
This time there may not be the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in the end.
Art, since we’re talking about legal and illegal types of immigration, let’s get one thing out of the way first: do you believe that nations have the right to enforce their borders? Because if you don’t, then we’re talking about a completely different kind of discussion. If you do, then there are a set of rules existing that we can argue from. If the country has a right to enforce its borders, then it doesn’t matter what historical disputes other nations have. What happened is in the past. If you believe that Mexico ought to declare war on the U.S. to regain back it’s land then I don’t know why you even claim to represent U.S. citizens in any governmental capacity. It would amount to treason.
Since you like to dwell in the past, the wave of so-called “illegal” immigrants that you referred to (I assume you meant the first, non-Native American explorers/colonists) didn’t violate any pre-existing immigration laws when they came here. If you think historical discovery and conquest is a rational reason to support modern-day illegal immigration, then quite frankly you are going to have to have a problem with just about every known civilization in the history of mankind. I say that argument is irrelevant to 21st century societies anyways because this isn’t about land – this is about opportunities created by the citizens and government of the U.S. that have made this country so appealing to foreigners. You and every other pro-illegal poster on this blog have ignored that – probably because you all know there is no way to sustain unending illegal immigration without becoming “third-world” ourselves, regardless of what your historical grievances are. (I did, however, notice how badly you glossed over the Spanish conquest in the Americas. They might not have “murdered most of them” but they sure bred the hell out what was left of them, didn’t they? I don’t think much of the Aztec, Incan, or Mayan culture survives to this day. Do Mexicans still carry the torch for the civilizations their ancestors wiped out the way you do for North American indians? How selective you are when you hand out indictments of genocide! But you know, the Spanish weren’t “quite as bad”… )
On your wish-list of things you would like to see for the current/future illegal immigration population:
We need to make it easier for immigrant workers to get work visas.
We need to give those who have American children a path to citizenship.
For how many? We already have the equivalent of 20% of the population of Mexico living here illegally. How many more? Will there be no end? When they start handing out “paths to citizenship” for those who “qualify”, every hand will be raised – and clutching phony documentation. How will you stop that?
And we need to expand free trade throughout Latin America. And give folks a chance to build industries that will keep their workers home.
We tried that with NAFTA. Not that I don’t agree with you – I’m in favor of free trade, but the problem is that the present realities of Latin American countries under various forms of government (or quality or government) hasn’t worked so well with it. Ironically, this solution you propose is one of the favorite justification that I hear from pro-illegals saying how NAFTA destroyed the Mexican economy and forced illegals to cross the border.
If Mexico falls into Venezuela’s sphere of influence, rest assured, you will be very sorry.
Either way, sounds like the U.S. becomes a third-world toilet. I’ll take my chances with a policy that more closely resembles what the United States has done in the past (before it started giving away the store), instead of one that speeds up it’s decline into a socialistic cesspool. At this rate, Chavez wouldn’t even have a reason to hate the U.S. soon if California is any indication.
We need to make sure that democracy continues to proceed in Mexico. They now have free elections. Hopefully a free market – sans the crushing monopolies – will eventually emerge.
Personally, I think we need to make sure that a constitutional republic (often mistakenly called a “democracy”) and a free market system continues on in the United States! Rampant illegal immigration only undermines it. Censuses are skewed, wages are artificially lowered, and slave-like labor is depended on instead of innovation and ingenuity. But as for Mexico: yes, let’s hope that despite it being called a democracy, that narco-terrorists will stop assasinating political candidates that don’t conform to the drug-cartels’ stranglehold on the government and economy. How should we solve that problem? For some reason, I don’t think that opening the borders is going to hurt them very much. As a matter of fact, I believe it makes Mexico richer (in money sent from the U.S.) whilst alleviating all the tension that they would experience were it not able to shuffle off massive numbers of the poorest and most illiterate of it’s population into this country. That must be great for the status quo there, huh? I’m sorry, but importing that kind of culture over here doesn’t seem to be the answer to our problems.
The biggest problem in our country is not the immigrants.
You are so blatantly dishonest when you try to equivocate “immigration” with “illegal immigration”. You know full well what the difference is!
It is a Bush administration that has bankrupted us and left us in debt to the Chinese.
Bush is the biggest problem? He’s your best friend on immigration policy! I agree with what you said above but I’m not exactly sure why you do!
How can you be upset with Bush’s (war?)spending when you just said that we need to “make sure” that democracy spreads in other countries like Mexico? That’s your argument, not mine. Why does debt to China matter to you so much, but not the billions the U.S. spends each year on the costs of illegal immigration?!
RHackett:
Hispanics are likely targeted most often for immigration enforcement because their numbers make up the largest segment of illegal immigration by far. In terms of numbers, they are the largest group of illegal immigrants ever to populate the U.S.. That seems to me to be the simplest and most rational reason.
Oh really? If it were strictly numbers I could understand that argument. But inevitably immigrant bashers bring about the unwillingness to accept American culture (whatever that is).
If there is an unwillingness to assimilate I can only imagine it might be because the immigrants are experiencing first hand the schizophrenia America has towards them as a class of people.
On one hand they are here because there is a businessperson standing at the border with a HUGE sign stating “Help Wanted.” Then we have folks like you calling them criminals, but somehow neglecting other groups of a similar status.
RHackett, I don’t disagree with what you said above. However, this is not an either/or issue – it’s both. The reason hispanics are targeted more than any other ethnic group is primarily because of the MASSIVE numbers but there is both a legal problem AND a social problem here. The social problem of their failure to assimilate is exacerbated by the massive numbers coming in over a short amount of time, deteriorating our own culture. This has been slowly building over decades, but now it has come to a head. It’s reached a point where it is impossible to ignore – not that our leaders in this country haven’t tried or still continue to try. I personally wouldn’t care if they did assimilate – our country has the right and the obligation to enforce our sovereignty and our borders.
To answer your speculation about why they don’t assimilate: they don’t assimilate because they’re not here to assimilate. They’re here for our opportunities and that’s it! They don’t want to live here. They don’t want to change languages or cultures. There hearts are in Mexico.
On one hand they are here because there is a businessperson standing at the border with a HUGE sign stating “Help Wanted.” Then we have folks like you calling them criminals, but somehow neglecting other groups of a similar status.
The only thing you got wrong here is that “folks like me” are calling them both criminals. Corrupt businesses rely on slave labor because they’re not good enough compete otherwise while passing the cost of subsidizing the illegal work force in America to others. Basically, it’s like owning slaves and not even providing a place for them to live on their own dime. Since you are so upset about the treatment of hispanics in America, I would think that this reason alone would be enough for you to be crying out against illegal immigration. Instead, you treat it’s like some kind of benign, mutually beneficial, business arrangement and it’s the rest of American society that has a problem if they don’t like it. I’m confused – are you a defender of the treatment of hispanics or a facilitator of the racial exploitation of hispanics that are treated little better than slaves by these business owners?
Illegal immigration from Latin America is the biggest and most significant chunk of illegal immigration in the U.S. – honestly, it’s almost the whole thing – so yeah, it makes a lot of sense to go after them even if for the time being, other groups aren’t targeted as much. You already know this though and your accusations of ulterior racist motives are a smoke screen. Legal hispanic immigrants are just as offended by this as anyone else, especially since they are the most immediately effected by it’s negative impacts.