Inge and I have just be wracking our brains over e-mails to recall where I had posted this. We can’t find the post — but she was able to find the video! So I’m re-posting (or posting for the first time, as the case may be) the video here for future reference and present discussion. It’s awfully interesting (and now it has some of the right key words in the title!)
We need a photo for the gallery — and I figure that Quentin Tarantino is not one who will complain too much about appropriation. So:
Yes, that does appear to be Troy Edgar. Would you be prepared for his bursting onto the scene firing at you? Think again, Pumpkin!
Good stuff. Great example that crime isn’t prevented by good guys with guns– it’s only mitigated, at best.
Nice choice of photos, by the way; I’ve seen Pulp Fiction maybe half a zillion times. On the issue of guns and killings thereby, I remember a former co-worker using the homily that “An armed society is a polite society” as an all-purpose explanation any time the topic of guns came up in a conversation.
Interesting idea, but it doesn’t explain or justify Somalia.
My thoughts on NRA’s dilemma at http://www.laprogressive.com/national-rifle-association.
Pulp Fiction? I believe that is Troy Edgar first taking over the Mayorship of Los Alamitos. Yes, that’s the Denny’s near Katella Deli.
No, Pulp Fiction? OH! That obscure early work by the genius who made Django, the greatest movie of the century so far!
*Purely, one of the most Anti-Gun movies in history was: “Natural Born Killers”. Quentin Tarrantino on drugs…no doubt!
Pulp Fiction was in fact the closest thing to understanding the dilemma of firearm ownership and use. Everyone was appalled….but what are you goin do? The Bruce Willis vignet in the Gun Store was priceless…and wound up only using firearms to threaten….with results far worse for everyone. The John Travolta vignet in the apartment being shot at and the accidental offing in the car that followed….really hit the mark on lots of levels. Very cool.
Those high capacity clips…..were only used in Travola’s Silencer Suppressed Automatic Machine Gun. Is that too redundant? Probably?
The only effective use of….was by Bruce Willis…..looking for his Daddy’s watch! As John Lennon said: “Life is what happens in between your plans!”
Thanks, John. As for “armed = polite” — well, it is until it isn’t, and it isn’t if someone gets the drop on someone else.
The ABC “report” was a set up for failure. If you don’t believe me try this for yourself and honestly report how tough it is to do anything requiring dexterity with just a motorcycle helmet on and try to bend down and tie your shoes. What? You can’t do it without falling over? You’ve been tying your shoes for how many years and you can’t do it? Add the gloves and the knit neck piece and it just gets worse because you have less sensory input. Training, training, training, I didn’t see anyone training with helmet and gloves, did you? Even a professional trained in years of “gunfighting skills” would have problems with the addition of the helmet alone.
Both the lecture hall and the liquor store are pretty close to the worst cases you could think up for defensive use of a firearm. Very close quarters, and loads of obscuring objects. Nobody in the store video was even aiming, just pointing and shooting, VERY bad form! First rule of shooting is to be sure of your target and beyond. The second lecture hall, also a very bad setup, no maneuvering room and really bad holster/clothing combo, then add to that the helmet and gloves, the confusion, no maneuvering room and you get what you saw. Sometimes even with all the training in the world the odds would be against being able to defend yourself because of the setting.
Having been in several situations in my life of attempted armed assault/robberies, I can personally attest to the difficulties in trying to keep your head during the chaos is not for everyone, or even anyone on a bad day, for that matter. Knowing when discretion is the better part of valor isn’t always an easy choice and why training is SO important.
I have told many folks who have asked me about CCW’s that it’s not for everyone and they should get the best training they could and practice, practice, practice.
I also think just like in driving or riding a motorcycle it’s all about training, training, training. But it might just save your life someday!
I am willing to bet the majority of gun owners don’t even keep their weapons cleaned on a regular basis…let alone practise scenerios such as the one in the video. People think they are such know-it-alls, but when put in that situation I am betting they fail. I have a friend who is a cop and he has to practise every month in these scenerios. He believes if people are carrying guns and there is a situation and police get involved — there is no way for a cop to figure out in a split second who is the bad guy and who is the good guy. It will turn out badly for everyone involved.
Inge,
A, I don’t know what having a “clean firearm” has to do with it, could yo please explain why you brought that into the discussion? It might help me to address you question or issue.
BTW there is some ongoing discussion going on currently as to whether a clean firearm shoots more accurately than one that has a few rounds fire through it. I know, it kind of shocked me too, but some competitive shooters seem to say they do.
B, I don’t think any LEO’s actually train for the scenario shown in the 20/20 video. It’s not something that is a typical setting nor it it something that they would likely encounter in either a SWAT nor tactical situation.
Matter of fact almost everyone teaches that distance is your friend and you want to avoid at all costs being in this type of situation if at all possible, especially with a strong side draw holster as shown covered by a clingy material, like a tee shirt. It’s just asking for trouble nobody needs.