Courageous, courageous post, Terry, and perfect for Mothers’ Day! It’s very hard to find cherrypicked anti-latino propaganda and videos of mexicans behaving badly on the internets these days – especially on this far left blog – and you are performing a valuable service and adding immeasurably to the dialogue!
Too bad that far-left editor-in-chief Vern Nelson made you post this under your real name. (And that pseudonym was funny – LOL! – “La Raza Blanca” – everyone woulda said “Hey if he’s a white supremacist, how does he know Spanish?” Good one!)
I totally understand you wanting to use a phony name, and I still think you’re courageous. It’s just not safe for white folks who want to speak the truth to power out here. Why just the other day, a couple of LIBERALS looked down their noses at me, just because my teeshirt said “Mexicans are descended from Indians and buffalos!” Everyone just kind of avoided me like I was a jerk. Where’s my freedom of speech, I ask you?
Have you checked out the work of Martin Millard, a local white supremacist? I think you should feature him in your next post. We really need you back out here, to help Allan Mansoor, Bill Hunt and Tan Nguyen.
Grate One and Michelle Quinn are going to love your new work. It’ll really make’em feel like they’ve been right all along, and Grate One will say “take a bow.” I’m so glad you’re the webmaster here and they’ll never be able to get rid of you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Suckers.
Hey Terry, have you seen these stories? I wish you would weigh in on them, you sure won’t hear about them in the Lamestream Media!
Mexican Farts in Crowded Easter Service.http://www.biggovernment.com – Just imagine if a white man did that! We’d be having Congressional investigations by now.
Obama Secret Plans to put Che Guevara on Dollar Bill, Lynch George Washington in Effigyhttp://www.redstate.com Is this true, Terry? It seems to come from a reliable source.
Wetbacks Distribute Smallpox-Infested Blankets to Daughters of the American Revolutionhttp://www.newsmax.com I rest my case – and they call US the haters. Shall we arm now and retreat to the woods? We’re awaiting your word Terry.
Now, I was amused. It would seem that people with some intellectual integrity would look at that piece, put up without comment, and be able to see it for what it was. A very scary example of your modern latino revolutionary in America.
But the emails went like this:
From Vern:
I’m against us letting Terry Crowley have an anonymous admin handle for sharing every anti-Mexican story he can find trolling the web. I know he’ll say “But it’s true, this professor somewhere really did do or say this or that.” Well he can put it up under his own name. So the rest of us can ignore it, but at least know who found it a valuable story.
People can find their anti-immigrant propaganda anywhere else on the web nowadays, it’s all over. I didn’t think this was what the Orange Juice is about, and I really don’t think it’ll contribute to the dialogue. What, so we can have 50 comments of the reasonable folks protesting, “Most mexicans don’t talk like that, and look at this ugly shit minutemen do, etc etc” and Grate One and michelle saying”Take abow Raza Blanca, you’ve got real courage, etc etc”
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From Art:
I agree with Vern. Either post this anti-Mexican screed under your name or take it down.
This racist shit also went to my Facebook. Not pleased about that.
Art
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Now, I have had trouble with Arts bigoted comments for years. Years ago, he would tell the grossest anti-gays jokes about two men locked in sexual embrace and unable to unclench, that I never found quite funny. Nowadays, he turns it around and bashes the character of anyone who doesn’t agree with him on his newfound stance that only gays should be granted the right to decide a new definition of marriage. It’s about being a wrong kind of person, not having a different opinion. Not very nice.
With Vern, its far more insidious. He thinks his white skin gives him cover to offer every left wing apologist and critical theory argument. Well, you can’t talk about Che because we celebrate Columbus Day! Well, you can’t talk about militant Latinos, look at the minutemen.
And he thinks thats Progress.
The fact is, Vern and Art both think its ok to bring up the rare anti-white story they can find because it keeps them invested in the racist scam in the most tolerant country in the world. The more tolerant we become the louder they scream. And for every anti-American screed they come up, with every insult to American culture and institutions, every loudmouth without an education they catch on youtube, you can show the effects of bringing Mexican society to the southwest. I could spend all year on Phoenix and the horrors they are dealing with with kidnapping, beheadings, etc… But Vern never seems to get that that doesn’t make his point. And it wouldn’t make mine. It’s all just about, no no no, look at the other guy.
Look at Arts letter. He isn’t dismayed at the talk on the video at all. Merely putting it up is enough to bring the “racist” call out. Just mentioning criticism is racism.
No. Enough of these people come here and do not appreciate it. Are not thankful. Worst of all, they have no inclination to adopt the American culture trinity of liberty, e pluribus unum and In God We Trust. They are against all three.
They value equality more than liberty. They will take your liberty away to make you more equal. They want multiculturalism, instead of the successful American experience which says, bring the best and incorporate, and they bring intolerant secularism.
In all, I find the attitude of too large a minority of hispanics to be racism in its highest form. We don’t have to behave as those before us have. We don’t have to obey laws because obeying laws is targeting us. We don’t have to learn the language because that targets us. We will bring our culture with us. Phoenix really appreciates it. We can demand supermarkets catering to us, but if whites want one in our neighborhood, thats racist.
I think they should all come here and be made to live under the immigration laws of the country they come from. They’d love that.
Its hateful, its backward. Its lost.
You can do what you want with this story. I stick to it.
With Respect to #1 above (about forbidding the US flags on T-shirts)
I see several issues:
1) Wearing the American Flag as apparel is DISRESPECTFUL to the American Flag.
But I assume the High School students did this unintentionally. (See Section 8D).
There is a proper way to pay respect to the American Flag. However, I give credit to the HS students for refusing to turn their T-Shirts inside out, if they thought this was disrespectful, although as I pointed it out, wearing it was disrespectful to the US Flag to begin with.
If the Students intent was to pay respect to the American Flag, then I would have raised the issue with them that by wearing the US Flag, they were actually being disrespectful. (Although, I ask myself why exactly on that day? Have they always being wearing the American Flags periodically and often, and it was NOW that they were being prevented from doing so? Or was it to antagonize?)
2) Wanting to pay respect to the US Flag, can be appropriately done by the Daily Flying of the US Flag, and the daily reciting of our Pledge of Allegiance to our US Flag at school…”with Liberty and Justice for All!”…and by living up to this principle.
If the assistant principal or anyone else had prohibited anyone from doing this, which is NOT the case, then they should be reprimanded.
3) There is a Free Speech issue. And there is a Safety issue. I assume but I could be wrong on this, that a Safety issue supersedes a Free Speech issue, at a K-12 environment.
If there was strong evidence that the wearing of the US flag as clothing apparel was done to intentionally incite violence, then I think the administrators would have a duty to act. However, I am not convinced this is the case.
4) The greater issue is the teaching of CIVICS, tolerance, and deep appreciation, respect and awareness of ALL cultural, ethnic, or faith-based/spiritual groups. I think our multiculturalism and pluralism is a unique feature of who we are as Americans, and which ultimately brings us together and makes us stronger as One Nation.
The students said that the colors of Mexico were displayed (red, white and green), but they did NOT say that the Mexican flag was flown. They referenced a video were the colors were “displayed” on folkloric dance clothing…I think this is a stretch.
Because of this, I think the students are being disingenuous and may have been intentionally wearing the US Flag, as an attempt to see if they could antagonize others. If so, this demonstrates a certain level of intolerance.
However, I think the assistant principal overreacted and assumed the majority of those of Mexican descent would be opposed to the US Flag.. For example, I am a US citizen, and I am Mexican-American. I think we all welcome, and we all want our US Flag at any cultural event of any group.
But, I think that there are some elements that are now wrongly polarizing the issue as a “Whites” against Hispanics, and I think this is Un-American.
And I also think intolerance from any side is Un-American.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
My opinion only and not those of any group
Orange County, CA
I have the utmost respect for Vern and Commander Barragan. I agree with them most of the time. When we disagree, I can understand their logic and enjoy a good discussion or debate.
The problem I have is neither one has the balls to confront Art. I find Art to be the most hateful and manipulative person on here. If “you” disagree with him, then you’re a “hater”. I’m willing to bet that Vern and the Commander do not agree 100% with Art’s view on immigration, but they refuse to confront him directly. Yes, Vern and Mr. Barragan, you too can be a “Mexican hater” if you dare to disagree with Art.
What the hell, Art made a big deal of turning the reign over to Vern… then he floods the blogs with all his BS. It’s like Putin turning over the Presidency, but made sure everyone understands he’s still in control.
Lam, I’m not as much of an “open borders” advocate as Art, I’m for immigration reform with a much easier path to legal status and citizenship, and secure borders. Art and I agree much more on these issues than we disagree. I am less likely to easily call someone a racist or a Mexican-hater than Art, but the shoe certainly fits with some, including Crowley.
Commander Barragan, you are falling into Crowley’s trap – wasting your time defending, criticizing, or even THINKING about freakish, fringe behavior. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE IS ABOUT. It is about millions of Mexicans who are in this country doing work we need done, some of whom want to be citizens and all of whom want to be legal, and millions of US citizens who aren’t comfortable with that for one reason or another, and how we can reach a solution. It is NOT about some showboating chicano professor spouting fiery rhetoric, or some klansman somewhere burning a cross.
And when Terry (who doesn’t know what to call himself any more) accuses me of doing the same thing on the other side (e.g. trying to make a point out of some white asshole doing something obviously obnoxious and racist and pretending that reflects on all whites) he’s a f—ng liar and cannot come up with a single example.
Nice – he writes “I stick to” the story, but he keeps trying to post it under a different name.
The Video above of the LA Teacher, are the opinions of a very small segment.
It is recognized that Mexico was invaded in an illegal war, which resulted in the “annexation” of several states in the Southwest, which he refers to.
BACKGROUND. Mexico lost this war because:
a) First it had fought a war of independence against Spain (a major superpower at the time) from 1810-1821.
b) Mexico then fought another war in 1836 against American settlers, who were supported by the US and some Mexican separatists.
c) Then finally Mexico was invaded by the US (1846-1848).
Polk had ran on a platform of “Annexing” Mexico and settling the Oregon “dispute”. Remember “Manifest Destiny?”.
d) So after Mexico’s was weakened by several wars, and fighting against a greater power, for the US it facilitated the notion that the US could afford to invade Mexico to Annex the several states.
e) It is from this war that two important events take place. One for the US and one for Mexico.
FOR THE US. The red stripe that US Marines wear on our pants, which E-4 and above wear, is to remember the high loss of life of Officers and NCOs (Non-Commissioned Officers, E-4 and above). This was not a cake walk for the US, even though Mexico was a weakened state after fighting several wars and after some internal struggles. This is also where our Marine Corps Hymn includes “from the halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Tripoli…”
For MEXICO. A last stronghold to fall in Mexico was El Castillo de Chapultepec, a military academy. Several young cadets, (Los Niños Heroes – The Boy Heros) it is believed rather than surrender the fort, wrapped themselves in the Mexican Flag and threw themselves over the fort. They are remembered every year.
You also had “El Battallon de San Patricio – St Patrick’s Batallion”. These were primarily Irish immigrants, who deserted from the US military side to the Mexican side, because of the bigotry and intolerance they encountered in the US, and because culturally they also identified themselves with the Catholics of Mexico, and because they also saw this as an illegal invasion of Mexico. They are also celebrated in Mexico and in Ireland.
The war with Mexico is generally recognized as an illegal invasion by a greater power against a weaker one. BUT THAT IS PAST HISTORY…
And the comments of the LA Teacher appear to be those of a few.
1) There is no “Northern Front” in the US that could potentially be made up of 45 millions Americans of Latino/Hispanic/Mexican descent. I think this is wishful thinking.
2) In his statement he says, “it is NOT about Mexico, but about the global struggle against Capitalism and & Imperialism…” and he emphasizes again that “the Enemy is Capitalism and Imperialism”. He mentions a “Revolutionary Spirit”.
It seems he is an international Communist, and does NOT represent the view of the majority of Americans of any stripe.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
My opinions only and not those of any group.
Are you serious Vern “Patriot Albino” Nelson? How many of your posts have been about “scary” racism in this country, adorned with all assortment of white hoods and scary pictures? How about your attacks on law enforcement? Your personal attacks are evidence enough.
Note how quickly Vern steps up with the straw man of absurdity. That’s right Vern, the white man is throwing wetbacks on the trains as they head south!
Jeez Vern, I thought you lived in reality. Your warning to Francisco was correct. It is a trap. You rail against any negative reflection as racism, as does Art, and you fall right into it. You don’t realize you have no credibility to comment.
You State, “I have the utmost respect for Vern and Commander Barragan. I agree with them most of the time. When we disagree, I can understand their logic and enjoy a good discussion or debate. The problem I have is neither one has the balls to confront Art.”
My Response:
I don’t necessarily post a response FOR or AGAINST everyone I agree or disagree with.
I think people are entitled to THEIR personal opinion.
What I am primarily concerned about is people using opinions as facts, which are intended or could result in unintended negative consequences.
Also, I think racism, bigotry or irrational hate from ANY group or Any One person is Un-American.
#Lam Pho, I think that if you or anyone have a valid point or facts, for or against anyone or anything, then that should be sufficient in itself.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
My opinions only and not those of any group
If you insist on associating yourself with people like this, by default, then there is no one to blame but yourself. I would no more knee jerk associate myself with a Lyndon LaRouche or a David Duke just because they were white and tell anybody who criticized them they were racist.
You chose where to stand. I will criticize radicals like this more and more often. They need to be pointed out. They are not acceptable. Black brown or white is no excuse and no protection.
Terry, aren’t you forgetting about Ward Churchill? He is very very important and influential, and your failure to criticize him on this post speaks volumes.
I’m disappointed you couldn’t tell that #2 “Matador” was also me; shows you need to go by IP addresses and can’t tell me by style and substance. I’m a little hurt! I knew this post and first comment were you at first glance, even with the pseudonym.
A quickie before the longie:
Are you serious Vern “Patriot Albino” Nelson? How many of your posts have been about “scary” racism in this country, adorned with all assortment of white hoods and scary pictures? How about your attacks on law enforcement?
Show me an attack by me on law enforcement. Oh, let’s see you try to copy and paste your dreams and hallucinations.
The only time I’ve used a “white hood” as long as I’ve been on the blog (I’m pretty sure) was in my over-the-top “doggerel” post “Arpaio’s Comin’ to Town!” There I wove a little story of Costa Mesa Mayor Allan Mansoor playfully trying on a hood and cape in front of his (temporarily distanced) mentor, famed white supremacist Martin Millard. I illustrated it with a photo of a real klansman, and even suggested subtly that Mansoor and Millard may be lovers.
This was nasty, for sure. But I was employing satire on a local political figure I believe to be dangerous. You wouldn’t know, not living out here any more.
You on the other hand, discover the rantings of some obscure Marxist professor and present it as evidence that Mexican-Americans are dangerous separatists and that we should take that into account when discussing immigration policy.
Different worlds of rhetoric. I’ll stick with mine. big comment next.
In Terry’s comment #4, he levels with us on his opinion of “enough of these people” – Latin-American immigrants evidently. Note that it’s not clear how many makes “enough” of them – 10%? 50? todos? – but I guess it’s “enough” to inform our policy decisions. Also note – hilariously – in his delirium, he can’t keep track of whether he’s criticizing hispanics (mostly hard-working, modestly educated, Catholic, social conservatives) or his usual “leftist” “secular” bogeymen. Funny stuff:
Enough of these people come here and do not appreciate it. Are not thankful. Worst of all, they have no inclination to adopt the American culture trinity of liberty, e pluribus unum and In God We Trust. They are against all three.
They value equality more than liberty. They will take your liberty away to make you more equal. They want multiculturalism, instead of the successful American experience which says, bring the best and incorporate, and they bring intolerant secularism.
In all, I find the attitude of too large a minority of hispanics to be racism in its highest form. We don’t have to behave as those before us have. We don’t have to obey laws because obeying laws is targeting us. We don’t have to learn the language because that targets us.
First paragraph: Latin-American immigrants are largely against liberty, and against God? My ridicule muscle is getting a cramp here, needs a rest. Against “e pluribus unum?” i don’t think he’s claiming they’re against pluralism, he’s probably doing the old song-and-dance that they won’t get with the “unum” program – i.e. assimilate into America’s melting pot. Of course he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about, what else is new. But a lot of these stick-up-the-butt types forget what “melting pot” means – as more and more Latinos assimilate into the US, not only do they become more gringo, we become more Latino. Melting Pot Physics 101. This is what drives them seriously batty.
I’m PRETTY sure, like I said before, that in the second paragraph, like a possessed Jeremiah, he forgets which group of enemies he is addressing, and turns his garden hose on us liberals instead. But who knows, maybe tucked away in his cabin, far from human contact, he really does believe that Mexican immigrants preach “intolerant secularism.” We have the option of reacting to Terry with silent pity, but the problem is he does make a lot of noise.
In the third paragraph he tries to play it safe by saying “too large a minority of hispanics” – that way, if it turns out that what he claims about them is only true about say 2%, he can still shrug, look down, and grumble, “Still too large.” Francisco, please resist the urge to tell Terry the statistics of how many hispanics refuse to learn English or obey the laws (besides immigration.) The sun is just now coming out, and it is Mothers’ Day.
I admit I’ve missed fisking Terry’s rants, it is a guilty, video-game-like pleasure, like finding yourself in a vast wasteland covered with giant boils just waiting to be lanced! But I have to draw a line. So no matter what he says next, I’m done on this thread. Please hold me to this, Juice Community.
Art, you post as XXXXX simply to insult my people. You don’t have the guts to post your extra nationalist reconquista garbage under your own name. You are offensive. I was being light and funny. Because, if La Raza Blanca is racist, then its not because I use blanca or amarillo or púrpura. Its La Raza is racist.
You take it on yourself to call guatemalens and hondurans and brazilians and argentinians as “your people” when mexicans aren’t even a majority of immigrants.
So the rest of America are my people. And you insult them.
Your behavior has been disappointing and disillusioning. I had to skip lunch.
Art, who once hung with the likes of Barbara Coe, now calls the first white guy to join his Republican Hispanic Caucus a racist.
Vern has been busy swatting at imaginary flies again I see.
See “Joe Arpaio articles” for blather and fumigating Vern regularly engages in. Waste of time to go looking. They’re like roaches under the frig. You know they’re there.
Now, I know Vern “tries” to read. But when “enough of these people come here” means latino immigrants are “largely against liberty, I know it is a waste of time to put together three sentences in a paragraph to explain anything.
For reference see: “too large a minority of hispanics” in the fourth paragraph from the bottom. A paragraph is usually offset by space between one bunch of words and another, Vern.
Then Vern proceeds to try and upend the argument about American culture, which is typically lazy from a leftist who only preens feelings instead of coherent thought, and evades that the speaker in the video as truly talking sentiments which are against what America stands for. He can’t have it both ways, much as he might try. Both defend ultra nationalist sentiment and bleat how this writer doesn’t understand most latinos integrate.
That’s what makes the case above so damaging.
I have no urge to rush about and demand that Vern realize a majority of people in Arizona aren’t racist. Sure, some may be. That’s reality. But i don’t have to stand up and shout “He’s just saying everybodys racist and thats just not true!”
Vern is trying hard here, as usual, to avoid reality, and does and “shoes tied together” job of it.
I wonder if Vern thinks 2% of racists in Arizona is too large?
Arpaio, should be given a medal by the American people for standing up for them!
I think Mexico’s president needs to be arrested and tried in a world court for being a complete waste of space!
Art, I think its time you go back to the country you love SO much and the People YOU love so. It seems quite clear to me that you have complete disregard not only for the people (Americans) but also for the culture and values of this country.
Put your energy to good use where it is needed MEXICO and its disaster of a govenment!
I watch about 3 dozen (adult) people a day, in the early evening, going to class. These people are taking English classes (along with citizenship type classes)
These people are investing in themselves, they are paying the price and earning the right to live in a free society.
Where would we (USA) be if we gave away our most valuable possession / idea to those who come here just to take, to take from others what they have not earned.
michell i agree with you . arpaio should be arrested what a joke. .no that is what he is doing arresting people who broke the law . something that a few on this site dont want them to do . i have seen lots of his articals on here all pro ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT . he calls them immigrants . santa ana has to be a latino council not americans . and of course like some of the others who blog on here if you dont agree with him your a racist . if he spent as much energy on mexico as he does here it might be cleaned up by now .
By the we should not under estimate this idiot teacher. We need to send this video to the La school board and DEMAND this wack job get fired. Scumbags like this are the reason those idiot kids up North were demanding the US flag be removed. idiots like this SO called teacher are able to preach their ridiculous ideology at the expense of the AMERICAN TAXPAYER!
We need to find out you this A hole is and have him fired!
There are a lot of us with access to approving comments. Also sometimes they seem to disappear mysteriously. Was it about secret identities of bloggers or commenters? A comment like that MIGHT get deleted, but I didn’t do it.
What is so scary about the video? Terry posted it because he feels it is scary. The content of the video message is revolution against World wide imperialism and capitalism. The speaker says it has nothing to do with Mexico.
The video speaker states that the enemy as he sees it are not racists and/or the minutemen.
He states the enemy is imperialism and capilism.
This video has nothing to do with immigration. I guess the scary part is a Hispanic stereotypical looking individual talking to a group of fellow Hispanics.
He represents a fringe group as the far right , KKK, white supremacists, teabaggers and the minutemen do. I am not afraid of white people because some associate with groups mentioned above.
The intention of this video, mis-associated to immigration, is clearly to incite Terry’s followers that hate Hispanics. They are not interested in the message, just in the activism coming from Hispanics, which in this case has nothing to do with immigration.
THIS A COMMON AGENDA WITH BIGOTS, RACISTS AND POLITICIANS IN ORDER TO MANIPULATE TO BENEFIT THEIR PARTICULAR INTEREST.
This man is a representation of YOU. I hope you like him!
Dr. Teabaggers are people who put nuts in their mouth, “human nuts”. Tea partier’s are people who are fighting against taxation, corruption and against their county falling to wack jobs like the teacher in this articles who just love’s “CHE”, AKA a Murder!
Look past the race doctor, see the morality!
Doctor, there is nothing wrong with hispanics, just wack jobs who try to use their race to harass and victimize others!
This man is a representation of YOU. I hope you like him!
Michelle’s stupidity and racism in a nutshell. Because Dr. Lomeli is hispanic and so is this nutty professor, Dr. Lomeli has to worry about the guy being a ‘representation’ of him.
Almost as though Hispanics were some new unfamiliar life-form from outer space, and this professor is the first one we were able to capture and study to see if they were a real threat.
I’m gonna think of the biggest Irish scumbag I can, and name him or her as Quinn’s “representation.”
As usual your agenda prohibits you from reading comprehension. I did not say I spouse his views. I simply clarified his message and the message you teabaggers/teapatiers intended by using the video.
“Look past the race doctor, see the morality!” Yes Michele, free speech is color blind. My point exactly is that I question your morality. You asking to find out where this individual works and have him fired is my point. Others should find out where you and those that think like you work and have you and your friends fired is then fair. Some people take offense with your views. See how morally corrupt you are.
That said. He has the same right to spew his beliefs as you, racists, KKK, White supremacists, politicians and the rest of America have…….THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH.
Your clan is supporting violating constitutional laws. Is this another constitutional law your clan wishes to apply selectively.
“Michelle’s stupidity and racism in a nutshell. Because Dr. Lomeli is hispanic and so is this nutty professor, Dr. Lomeli has to worry about the guy being a ‘representation’ of him.”
MQ says:
Am I the only one who listened to the nut? Pick any scumbag you can, because I make sure that i am clear in my disgust and revolt! I don’t sugar cover any SCUMBAG no matter his origin!
“As usual your agenda prohibits you from reading comprehension. I did not say I spouse his views. I simply clarified his message and the message you teabaggers/teapatiers intended by using the video.”
MQ says:
I read between the lines Doctor, Its quite easy, you should try it!
He very much is FREE to speak his complete rubbish, But I am also free to call him on it and the people who SEEM to sugar coat his racist views and radical socialist and communist beliefs. I am also free to voice my out rage at the fact that the taxpayer in this Country is paying this wack jobs wage!
Doctor the fact that you TWIST the obvious to try to sugar coat the fact that this man is a LA RAZA nut, is just you BACKING YOUR HISPANIC BROTHER, RIGHT?
This video has nothing to do with hispanics, immigration. This video is clearly a RACIST, LA RAZA NUT, VOICING HIS HATE OF AMERICA AND AMERICAN WHITES!
Oh, and thanks to Terry Crowley for giving this professor an even bigger platform, so that Michelle Quinn could claim he is Dr. Lomeli’s “representation.” Mission accomplished!
Crowley’s last act on this blog, in case you all were wondering.
Why would it be crowley’s last act on this blog. I can get loads of wacko’s who are HISPANIC’s, of course most of them are either Mexican decent or actual Mexican nationalist , bitching and moaning about the fact the whites are ALL bad and we are dying off fast because we are getting older.
I have absolutely no problem telling Dr. L and any other Mexican living in this country that the Wacko teacher is his representation. Sane Mexicans better start speaking out because the seem few and far between!
But to be fair to the white’s, they don’t bitch as much!
Jesus Christ whites can bitch, they bitch till they embarrass me! Look at your own oeuvre, Quinn (that means the sum total of every word you’ve written on this blog.) PURE WHINEY WHITE-PERSON BITCHING! You make this white boy cringe in shame.
Do not try to read between the lines of what I say. I said what I said. You interpret what you read for your benefit. It is convenient in order to spew your bigotry.
I am glad you agree that he has the right to free speech as you do to express your disagreement with him. Good for you.
I will argue for your right to free speech too. I then am backing my Irish sister,right? NO ……I am only defending you free speech right as I am for the speaker in the video. I do not agree with either of you on your issues.
No I interpret what you REALLY, REALLY MEAN! The fact that you underscore everything, makes suggestion’s, makes you suspect!
I don’t disagree with him, I DISAGREE with you. I think the MAN is a scumbag, I more than disagree with him. I see him as a potential threat to myself and my family. He is a dangerous individual. Any man who see’s Murderous dictators as,” BROTHERS”, are a danger to all!
I defend everyone right to speak, because speech is how we weed out the bad from the good!
This Man needs to be fired and never be allowed to teach at any public school!
“But to be fair to the white’s, they don’t bitch as much!”
MQ says,
You are right, I forgot about left wingers like yourself Vern. Bitching and Moaning about how much WHITE American’s need to bend over and take it in the ass!
So if I am bitching about anything, it’s watching good meaningful people being forced to kneel to the almighty left wing and their political correct crap.
If I embarrass YOU, good job Michelle!
But YES as much as the left wings elitist whites bitch and moan, they don’t have a dime when it comes to hispanic activist’s and the Al Sharptens of this country!
“I then am backing my Irish sister,right? NO”
MQ says:
No you are backing the truth, from your AMERICAN SISTER!
Vern says
The only time I’ve used a “white hood” as long as I’ve been on the blog (I’m pretty sure) was in my over-the-top “doggerel” post “Arpaio’s Comin’ to Town!” There I wove a little story of Costa Mesa Mayor Allan Mansoor playfully trying on a hood and cape in front of his (temporarily distanced) mentor, famed white supremacist Martin Millard. I illustrated it with a photo of a real klansman, and even suggested subtly that Mansoor and Millard may be lovers.
@ MQ:
It is racist, bigoted, ignorant and stupid to assume that a “brown”/”Hispanic activist” represents “BROWN” Americans of Latino/Hispanic/Mexican descent, as you conveniently want to say that this professor represents Dr Lomeli.
One side of me, actually feels sorry for you because of the little race-baiting game you often engage in…It must be a sad life to have such feelings, and to fall back on that little charade.
It would be just as racist, bigoted and ignorant for me or any to to see that:
1) All KKK members are WHITE.
2) All white racial supremacists are WHITE.
And then conclude. Therefore, ALL WHITES are racists.
Any racism, bigotry or irrational hate FROM any one individual or group, TO any individual or group is UN-American.
And as distasteful as any hate speech is, I willingly served on our military to ensure Free Speech, and our Constitutional protections and principles.
But we all have to be concerned and alert when those who are driven by racism, bigotry or hate:
1) Want to Move to act on it through VIOLENCE; or
2) Want to Move to act on it by violating our Constitutional protections by passing flawed unconstitutional laws.
Art is a total chickensh!t. Especially when called on his racist nonsense. It is too bad, because I used to find the OJ a great place to have healthy debates, but no longer. I posted many comments on Art’s bogus take on Santa Ana traffic enforcement, and guess what – all were deleted. None were offensive, no foul language used, just calling Art on his outrageous blather. I’m actually stunned that any Art criticism made it onto this post.
Most likely your deleted comments were personal attacks on me. I don’t see any reason to give you a platform to kick my ass. You can do that at the local red and blue blogs.
And my takes on Santa Ana traffic enforcement are always based on facts. You can refute them if you want, but we take great care to prove our points. The Santa Ana DUI checkpoints, for example, are just a reason to take cars away from immigrants. They hardly catch any drunk drivers that way. Waste of money and time.
By the way, if you are not chickenshit, why don’t you post your full name? That’s what I thought.
Mr. F. The problem is that all whites are considered racist if they oppose the obvious racist rants of the brown. It has become a one way street and that needs to stop.
I do not believe all brown/black/yellow/white people are racist. I do believe that race has become a way for people to demand, insist on the ridiculous. I do believe in this country the brown have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card. I do believe that rich White American’s benefit from the entitlements that the brown ( especially) in California are showered with from the feds and state Government.
I believe this countries brown people need a major reality check!
Racism is not UN-American, It’ s just stupid to assume anything based on race or to ask for entitlements because of your race!
It’s not UN-AMERICAN, its just not LOGICAL. I think this logic is universal!
Art, you’ve lost it… you don’t have it no more. For a while there, you were respected on here. No, I don’t mean people were agreeing with your nonsense, but they respected you for a guy who could take a punch. Even the Great One praised you for allowing free speech on this blog. Now you’re deleting posts left and right because you don’t want to “give you a platform to kick my ass.”
Long held belief of mine. Argue the points if you want to, but come after me personally and sayonara. Go start your own blog if you just want to kick my ass.
The fact is, the Latino bashers are everywhere. Here in the OC the loudest voice against scapegoating of Mexicans is yours truly. The odds suck. But I will not relent.
The police do not take away car from immigrants, they do not even take cars away from illegal immigrants. They take away cars from people who have either no license, insurance ect..
Stop making the cops look like they are always harassing immigrants. Its just not the truth and you know It!
You are a very good man Art, don’t get jaded! I respect your passion and your convictions. If you believe what you speak about untruths are not needed!
Bigoted Principal apologizes for sending students home for wearing american flag.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/07/california-principal-apologizes-forbidding-flag-shirts-mexican-holiday/?test=latestnews
Now if they had wanted to burn the flag…
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/05/06/now-if-the-kids-had-wanted-to-burn-the-flag/
Courageous, courageous post, Terry, and perfect for Mothers’ Day! It’s very hard to find cherrypicked anti-latino propaganda and videos of mexicans behaving badly on the internets these days – especially on this far left blog – and you are performing a valuable service and adding immeasurably to the dialogue!
Too bad that far-left editor-in-chief Vern Nelson made you post this under your real name. (And that pseudonym was funny – LOL! – “La Raza Blanca” – everyone woulda said “Hey if he’s a white supremacist, how does he know Spanish?” Good one!)
I totally understand you wanting to use a phony name, and I still think you’re courageous. It’s just not safe for white folks who want to speak the truth to power out here. Why just the other day, a couple of LIBERALS looked down their noses at me, just because my teeshirt said “Mexicans are descended from Indians and buffalos!” Everyone just kind of avoided me like I was a jerk. Where’s my freedom of speech, I ask you?
Have you checked out the work of Martin Millard, a local white supremacist? I think you should feature him in your next post. We really need you back out here, to help Allan Mansoor, Bill Hunt and Tan Nguyen.
Grate One and Michelle Quinn are going to love your new work. It’ll really make’em feel like they’ve been right all along, and Grate One will say “take a bow.” I’m so glad you’re the webmaster here and they’ll never be able to get rid of you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Suckers.
Hey Terry, have you seen these stories? I wish you would weigh in on them, you sure won’t hear about them in the Lamestream Media!
Mexican Farts in Crowded Easter Service. http://www.biggovernment.com – Just imagine if a white man did that! We’d be having Congressional investigations by now.
Obama Secret Plans to put Che Guevara on Dollar Bill, Lynch George Washington in Effigy http://www.redstate.com Is this true, Terry? It seems to come from a reliable source.
Wetbacks Distribute Smallpox-Infested Blankets to Daughters of the American Revolution http://www.newsmax.com I rest my case – and they call US the haters. Shall we arm now and retreat to the woods? We’re awaiting your word Terry.
From The Desk of Terry Crowley
Now, I was amused. It would seem that people with some intellectual integrity would look at that piece, put up without comment, and be able to see it for what it was. A very scary example of your modern latino revolutionary in America.
But the emails went like this:
From Vern:
I’m against us letting Terry Crowley have an anonymous admin handle for sharing every anti-Mexican story he can find trolling the web. I know he’ll say “But it’s true, this professor somewhere really did do or say this or that.” Well he can put it up under his own name. So the rest of us can ignore it, but at least know who found it a valuable story.
People can find their anti-immigrant propaganda anywhere else on the web nowadays, it’s all over. I didn’t think this was what the Orange Juice is about, and I really don’t think it’ll contribute to the dialogue. What, so we can have 50 comments of the reasonable folks protesting, “Most mexicans don’t talk like that, and look at this ugly shit minutemen do, etc etc” and Grate One and michelle saying”Take abow Raza Blanca, you’ve got real courage, etc etc”
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From Art:
I agree with Vern. Either post this anti-Mexican screed under your name or take it down.
This racist shit also went to my Facebook. Not pleased about that.
Art
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Now, I have had trouble with Arts bigoted comments for years. Years ago, he would tell the grossest anti-gays jokes about two men locked in sexual embrace and unable to unclench, that I never found quite funny. Nowadays, he turns it around and bashes the character of anyone who doesn’t agree with him on his newfound stance that only gays should be granted the right to decide a new definition of marriage. It’s about being a wrong kind of person, not having a different opinion. Not very nice.
With Vern, its far more insidious. He thinks his white skin gives him cover to offer every left wing apologist and critical theory argument. Well, you can’t talk about Che because we celebrate Columbus Day! Well, you can’t talk about militant Latinos, look at the minutemen.
And he thinks thats Progress.
The fact is, Vern and Art both think its ok to bring up the rare anti-white story they can find because it keeps them invested in the racist scam in the most tolerant country in the world. The more tolerant we become the louder they scream. And for every anti-American screed they come up, with every insult to American culture and institutions, every loudmouth without an education they catch on youtube, you can show the effects of bringing Mexican society to the southwest. I could spend all year on Phoenix and the horrors they are dealing with with kidnapping, beheadings, etc… But Vern never seems to get that that doesn’t make his point. And it wouldn’t make mine. It’s all just about, no no no, look at the other guy.
Look at Arts letter. He isn’t dismayed at the talk on the video at all. Merely putting it up is enough to bring the “racist” call out. Just mentioning criticism is racism.
No. Enough of these people come here and do not appreciate it. Are not thankful. Worst of all, they have no inclination to adopt the American culture trinity of liberty, e pluribus unum and In God We Trust. They are against all three.
They value equality more than liberty. They will take your liberty away to make you more equal. They want multiculturalism, instead of the successful American experience which says, bring the best and incorporate, and they bring intolerant secularism.
In all, I find the attitude of too large a minority of hispanics to be racism in its highest form. We don’t have to behave as those before us have. We don’t have to obey laws because obeying laws is targeting us. We don’t have to learn the language because that targets us. We will bring our culture with us. Phoenix really appreciates it. We can demand supermarkets catering to us, but if whites want one in our neighborhood, thats racist.
I think they should all come here and be made to live under the immigration laws of the country they come from. They’d love that.
Its hateful, its backward. Its lost.
You can do what you want with this story. I stick to it.
With Respect to #1 above (about forbidding the US flags on T-shirts)
I see several issues:
1) Wearing the American Flag as apparel is DISRESPECTFUL to the American Flag.
But I assume the High School students did this unintentionally. (See Section 8D).
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm
There is a proper way to pay respect to the American Flag. However, I give credit to the HS students for refusing to turn their T-Shirts inside out, if they thought this was disrespectful, although as I pointed it out, wearing it was disrespectful to the US Flag to begin with.
If the Students intent was to pay respect to the American Flag, then I would have raised the issue with them that by wearing the US Flag, they were actually being disrespectful. (Although, I ask myself why exactly on that day? Have they always being wearing the American Flags periodically and often, and it was NOW that they were being prevented from doing so? Or was it to antagonize?)
2) Wanting to pay respect to the US Flag, can be appropriately done by the Daily Flying of the US Flag, and the daily reciting of our Pledge of Allegiance to our US Flag at school…”with Liberty and Justice for All!”…and by living up to this principle.
If the assistant principal or anyone else had prohibited anyone from doing this, which is NOT the case, then they should be reprimanded.
3) There is a Free Speech issue. And there is a Safety issue. I assume but I could be wrong on this, that a Safety issue supersedes a Free Speech issue, at a K-12 environment.
If there was strong evidence that the wearing of the US flag as clothing apparel was done to intentionally incite violence, then I think the administrators would have a duty to act. However, I am not convinced this is the case.
4) The greater issue is the teaching of CIVICS, tolerance, and deep appreciation, respect and awareness of ALL cultural, ethnic, or faith-based/spiritual groups. I think our multiculturalism and pluralism is a unique feature of who we are as Americans, and which ultimately brings us together and makes us stronger as One Nation.
The students said that the colors of Mexico were displayed (red, white and green), but they did NOT say that the Mexican flag was flown. They referenced a video were the colors were “displayed” on folkloric dance clothing…I think this is a stretch.
Because of this, I think the students are being disingenuous and may have been intentionally wearing the US Flag, as an attempt to see if they could antagonize others. If so, this demonstrates a certain level of intolerance.
However, I think the assistant principal overreacted and assumed the majority of those of Mexican descent would be opposed to the US Flag.. For example, I am a US citizen, and I am Mexican-American. I think we all welcome, and we all want our US Flag at any cultural event of any group.
But, I think that there are some elements that are now wrongly polarizing the issue as a “Whites” against Hispanics, and I think this is Un-American.
And I also think intolerance from any side is Un-American.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
My opinion only and not those of any group
Orange County, CA
I have the utmost respect for Vern and Commander Barragan. I agree with them most of the time. When we disagree, I can understand their logic and enjoy a good discussion or debate.
The problem I have is neither one has the balls to confront Art. I find Art to be the most hateful and manipulative person on here. If “you” disagree with him, then you’re a “hater”. I’m willing to bet that Vern and the Commander do not agree 100% with Art’s view on immigration, but they refuse to confront him directly. Yes, Vern and Mr. Barragan, you too can be a “Mexican hater” if you dare to disagree with Art.
What the hell, Art made a big deal of turning the reign over to Vern… then he floods the blogs with all his BS. It’s like Putin turning over the Presidency, but made sure everyone understands he’s still in control.
Lam, I’m not as much of an “open borders” advocate as Art, I’m for immigration reform with a much easier path to legal status and citizenship, and secure borders. Art and I agree much more on these issues than we disagree. I am less likely to easily call someone a racist or a Mexican-hater than Art, but the shoe certainly fits with some, including Crowley.
Commander Barragan, you are falling into Crowley’s trap – wasting your time defending, criticizing, or even THINKING about freakish, fringe behavior. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE IS ABOUT. It is about millions of Mexicans who are in this country doing work we need done, some of whom want to be citizens and all of whom want to be legal, and millions of US citizens who aren’t comfortable with that for one reason or another, and how we can reach a solution. It is NOT about some showboating chicano professor spouting fiery rhetoric, or some klansman somewhere burning a cross.
And when Terry (who doesn’t know what to call himself any more) accuses me of doing the same thing on the other side (e.g. trying to make a point out of some white asshole doing something obviously obnoxious and racist and pretending that reflects on all whites) he’s a f—ng liar and cannot come up with a single example.
Nice – he writes “I stick to” the story, but he keeps trying to post it under a different name.
lam pho great post . you could not have said it better .
hey Terry, is this you? No, actually i think you’re a little chubbier. But you’ll love it – it’s a blast!
The Video above of the LA Teacher, are the opinions of a very small segment.
It is recognized that Mexico was invaded in an illegal war, which resulted in the “annexation” of several states in the Southwest, which he refers to.
BACKGROUND. Mexico lost this war because:
a) First it had fought a war of independence against Spain (a major superpower at the time) from 1810-1821.
b) Mexico then fought another war in 1836 against American settlers, who were supported by the US and some Mexican separatists.
c) Then finally Mexico was invaded by the US (1846-1848).
Polk had ran on a platform of “Annexing” Mexico and settling the Oregon “dispute”. Remember “Manifest Destiny?”.
d) So after Mexico’s was weakened by several wars, and fighting against a greater power, for the US it facilitated the notion that the US could afford to invade Mexico to Annex the several states.
e) It is from this war that two important events take place. One for the US and one for Mexico.
FOR THE US. The red stripe that US Marines wear on our pants, which E-4 and above wear, is to remember the high loss of life of Officers and NCOs (Non-Commissioned Officers, E-4 and above). This was not a cake walk for the US, even though Mexico was a weakened state after fighting several wars and after some internal struggles. This is also where our Marine Corps Hymn includes “from the halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Tripoli…”
For MEXICO. A last stronghold to fall in Mexico was El Castillo de Chapultepec, a military academy. Several young cadets, (Los Niños Heroes – The Boy Heros) it is believed rather than surrender the fort, wrapped themselves in the Mexican Flag and threw themselves over the fort. They are remembered every year.
You also had “El Battallon de San Patricio – St Patrick’s Batallion”. These were primarily Irish immigrants, who deserted from the US military side to the Mexican side, because of the bigotry and intolerance they encountered in the US, and because culturally they also identified themselves with the Catholics of Mexico, and because they also saw this as an illegal invasion of Mexico. They are also celebrated in Mexico and in Ireland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Battalion
The war with Mexico is generally recognized as an illegal invasion by a greater power against a weaker one. BUT THAT IS PAST HISTORY…
And the comments of the LA Teacher appear to be those of a few.
1) There is no “Northern Front” in the US that could potentially be made up of 45 millions Americans of Latino/Hispanic/Mexican descent. I think this is wishful thinking.
2) In his statement he says, “it is NOT about Mexico, but about the global struggle against Capitalism and & Imperialism…” and he emphasizes again that “the Enemy is Capitalism and Imperialism”. He mentions a “Revolutionary Spirit”.
It seems he is an international Communist, and does NOT represent the view of the majority of Americans of any stripe.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
My opinions only and not those of any group.
Are you serious Vern “Patriot Albino” Nelson? How many of your posts have been about “scary” racism in this country, adorned with all assortment of white hoods and scary pictures? How about your attacks on law enforcement? Your personal attacks are evidence enough.
Note how quickly Vern steps up with the straw man of absurdity. That’s right Vern, the white man is throwing wetbacks on the trains as they head south!
Jeez Vern, I thought you lived in reality. Your warning to Francisco was correct. It is a trap. You rail against any negative reflection as racism, as does Art, and you fall right into it. You don’t realize you have no credibility to comment.
@#6 Lam Pho:
You State, “I have the utmost respect for Vern and Commander Barragan. I agree with them most of the time. When we disagree, I can understand their logic and enjoy a good discussion or debate. The problem I have is neither one has the balls to confront Art.”
My Response:
I don’t necessarily post a response FOR or AGAINST everyone I agree or disagree with.
I think people are entitled to THEIR personal opinion.
What I am primarily concerned about is people using opinions as facts, which are intended or could result in unintended negative consequences.
Also, I think racism, bigotry or irrational hate from ANY group or Any One person is Un-American.
#Lam Pho, I think that if you or anyone have a valid point or facts, for or against anyone or anything, then that should be sufficient in itself.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
My opinions only and not those of any group
Lam,
I really don’t care what you think, to be quite honest. And this wasn’t my call – I just backed Vern.
I don’t know what Terry’s issue with Mexicans is. When he needed to be bailed out of jail who do you think he called for help? A Mexican.
This racebaiting by the GOP will be their death sentence.
Hey Vern "Patriot Albino" Nelson... is this you?Or maybe this...
Art,
If you insist on associating yourself with people like this, by default, then there is no one to blame but yourself. I would no more knee jerk associate myself with a Lyndon LaRouche or a David Duke just because they were white and tell anybody who criticized them they were racist.
You chose where to stand. I will criticize radicals like this more and more often. They need to be pointed out. They are not acceptable. Black brown or white is no excuse and no protection.
Terry,
I didn’t look at this video, nor do I intend to.
You posted this to scapegoat my people. I find that offensive.
Terry, aren’t you forgetting about Ward Churchill? He is very very important and influential, and your failure to criticize him on this post speaks volumes.
I’m disappointed you couldn’t tell that #2 “Matador” was also me; shows you need to go by IP addresses and can’t tell me by style and substance. I’m a little hurt! I knew this post and first comment were you at first glance, even with the pseudonym.
A quickie before the longie:
Are you serious Vern “Patriot Albino” Nelson? How many of your posts have been about “scary” racism in this country, adorned with all assortment of white hoods and scary pictures? How about your attacks on law enforcement?
Show me an attack by me on law enforcement. Oh, let’s see you try to copy and paste your dreams and hallucinations.
The only time I’ve used a “white hood” as long as I’ve been on the blog (I’m pretty sure) was in my over-the-top “doggerel” post “Arpaio’s Comin’ to Town!” There I wove a little story of Costa Mesa Mayor Allan Mansoor playfully trying on a hood and cape in front of his (temporarily distanced) mentor, famed white supremacist Martin Millard. I illustrated it with a photo of a real klansman, and even suggested subtly that Mansoor and Millard may be lovers.
This was nasty, for sure. But I was employing satire on a local political figure I believe to be dangerous. You wouldn’t know, not living out here any more.
You on the other hand, discover the rantings of some obscure Marxist professor and present it as evidence that Mexican-Americans are dangerous separatists and that we should take that into account when discussing immigration policy.
Different worlds of rhetoric. I’ll stick with mine. big comment next.
In Terry’s comment #4, he levels with us on his opinion of “enough of these people” – Latin-American immigrants evidently. Note that it’s not clear how many makes “enough” of them – 10%? 50? todos? – but I guess it’s “enough” to inform our policy decisions. Also note – hilariously – in his delirium, he can’t keep track of whether he’s criticizing hispanics (mostly hard-working, modestly educated, Catholic, social conservatives) or his usual “leftist” “secular” bogeymen. Funny stuff:
Enough of these people come here and do not appreciate it. Are not thankful. Worst of all, they have no inclination to adopt the American culture trinity of liberty, e pluribus unum and In God We Trust. They are against all three.
They value equality more than liberty. They will take your liberty away to make you more equal. They want multiculturalism, instead of the successful American experience which says, bring the best and incorporate, and they bring intolerant secularism.
In all, I find the attitude of too large a minority of hispanics to be racism in its highest form. We don’t have to behave as those before us have. We don’t have to obey laws because obeying laws is targeting us. We don’t have to learn the language because that targets us.
First paragraph: Latin-American immigrants are largely against liberty, and against God? My ridicule muscle is getting a cramp here, needs a rest. Against “e pluribus unum?” i don’t think he’s claiming they’re against pluralism, he’s probably doing the old song-and-dance that they won’t get with the “unum” program – i.e. assimilate into America’s melting pot. Of course he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about, what else is new. But a lot of these stick-up-the-butt types forget what “melting pot” means – as more and more Latinos assimilate into the US, not only do they become more gringo, we become more Latino. Melting Pot Physics 101. This is what drives them seriously batty.
I’m PRETTY sure, like I said before, that in the second paragraph, like a possessed Jeremiah, he forgets which group of enemies he is addressing, and turns his garden hose on us liberals instead. But who knows, maybe tucked away in his cabin, far from human contact, he really does believe that Mexican immigrants preach “intolerant secularism.” We have the option of reacting to Terry with silent pity, but the problem is he does make a lot of noise.
In the third paragraph he tries to play it safe by saying “too large a minority of hispanics” – that way, if it turns out that what he claims about them is only true about say 2%, he can still shrug, look down, and grumble, “Still too large.” Francisco, please resist the urge to tell Terry the statistics of how many hispanics refuse to learn English or obey the laws (besides immigration.) The sun is just now coming out, and it is Mothers’ Day.
I admit I’ve missed fisking Terry’s rants, it is a guilty, video-game-like pleasure, like finding yourself in a vast wasteland covered with giant boils just waiting to be lanced! But I have to draw a line. So no matter what he says next, I’m done on this thread. Please hold me to this, Juice Community.
Vern,
This post is akin to a fart in an elevator. Let’s hold our breath and get off on the next floor.
Art, you post as XXXXX simply to insult my people. You don’t have the guts to post your extra nationalist reconquista garbage under your own name. You are offensive. I was being light and funny. Because, if La Raza Blanca is racist, then its not because I use blanca or amarillo or púrpura. Its La Raza is racist.
You take it on yourself to call guatemalens and hondurans and brazilians and argentinians as “your people” when mexicans aren’t even a majority of immigrants.
So the rest of America are my people. And you insult them.
Your behavior has been disappointing and disillusioning. I had to skip lunch.
Art, who once hung with the likes of Barbara Coe, now calls the first white guy to join his Republican Hispanic Caucus a racist.
Very sad.
Vern has been busy swatting at imaginary flies again I see.
See “Joe Arpaio articles” for blather and fumigating Vern regularly engages in. Waste of time to go looking. They’re like roaches under the frig. You know they’re there.
Now, I know Vern “tries” to read. But when “enough of these people come here” means latino immigrants are “largely against liberty, I know it is a waste of time to put together three sentences in a paragraph to explain anything.
For reference see: “too large a minority of hispanics” in the fourth paragraph from the bottom. A paragraph is usually offset by space between one bunch of words and another, Vern.
Then Vern proceeds to try and upend the argument about American culture, which is typically lazy from a leftist who only preens feelings instead of coherent thought, and evades that the speaker in the video as truly talking sentiments which are against what America stands for. He can’t have it both ways, much as he might try. Both defend ultra nationalist sentiment and bleat how this writer doesn’t understand most latinos integrate.
That’s what makes the case above so damaging.
I have no urge to rush about and demand that Vern realize a majority of people in Arizona aren’t racist. Sure, some may be. That’s reality. But i don’t have to stand up and shout “He’s just saying everybodys racist and thats just not true!”
Vern is trying hard here, as usual, to avoid reality, and does and “shoes tied together” job of it.
I wonder if Vern thinks 2% of racists in Arizona is too large?
Terry,
Arpaio should be arrested and tried in the World Court for crimes against humanity.
Arpaio, should be given a medal by the American people for standing up for them!
I think Mexico’s president needs to be arrested and tried in a world court for being a complete waste of space!
Art, I think its time you go back to the country you love SO much and the People YOU love so. It seems quite clear to me that you have complete disregard not only for the people (Americans) but also for the culture and values of this country.
Put your energy to good use where it is needed MEXICO and its disaster of a govenment!
Now we know why LA schools are such a disaster, just like Mexico!
What a stupid and complete idiot RACIST!
I would love to have five minute with the racist wack job!
Immigration Open Thread
I watch about 3 dozen (adult) people a day, in the early evening, going to class. These people are taking English classes (along with citizenship type classes)
These people are investing in themselves, they are paying the price and earning the right to live in a free society.
Where would we (USA) be if we gave away our most valuable possession / idea to those who come here just to take, to take from others what they have not earned.
michell i agree with you . arpaio should be arrested what a joke. .no that is what he is doing arresting people who broke the law . something that a few on this site dont want them to do . i have seen lots of his articals on here all pro ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT . he calls them immigrants . santa ana has to be a latino council not americans . and of course like some of the others who blog on here if you dont agree with him your a racist . if he spent as much energy on mexico as he does here it might be cleaned up by now .
By the we should not under estimate this idiot teacher. We need to send this video to the La school board and DEMAND this wack job get fired. Scumbags like this are the reason those idiot kids up North were demanding the US flag be removed. idiots like this SO called teacher are able to preach their ridiculous ideology at the expense of the AMERICAN TAXPAYER!
We need to find out you this A hole is and have him fired!
Vern, why was my post deleted?
? I didn’t delete any posts or comments, Lam.
There are a lot of us with access to approving comments. Also sometimes they seem to disappear mysteriously. Was it about secret identities of bloggers or commenters? A comment like that MIGHT get deleted, but I didn’t do it.
I’m glad you’re back commenting again by the way.
What is so scary about the video? Terry posted it because he feels it is scary. The content of the video message is revolution against World wide imperialism and capitalism. The speaker says it has nothing to do with Mexico.
The video speaker states that the enemy as he sees it are not racists and/or the minutemen.
He states the enemy is imperialism and capilism.
This video has nothing to do with immigration. I guess the scary part is a Hispanic stereotypical looking individual talking to a group of fellow Hispanics.
He represents a fringe group as the far right , KKK, white supremacists, teabaggers and the minutemen do. I am not afraid of white people because some associate with groups mentioned above.
The intention of this video, mis-associated to immigration, is clearly to incite Terry’s followers that hate Hispanics. They are not interested in the message, just in the activism coming from Hispanics, which in this case has nothing to do with immigration.
THIS A COMMON AGENDA WITH BIGOTS, RACISTS AND POLITICIANS IN ORDER TO MANIPULATE TO BENEFIT THEIR PARTICULAR INTEREST.
Dr. L..
This man is a representation of YOU. I hope you like him!
Dr. Teabaggers are people who put nuts in their mouth, “human nuts”. Tea partier’s are people who are fighting against taxation, corruption and against their county falling to wack jobs like the teacher in this articles who just love’s “CHE”, AKA a Murder!
Look past the race doctor, see the morality!
Doctor, there is nothing wrong with hispanics, just wack jobs who try to use their race to harass and victimize others!
Dr. L..
This man is a representation of YOU. I hope you like him!
Michelle’s stupidity and racism in a nutshell. Because Dr. Lomeli is hispanic and so is this nutty professor, Dr. Lomeli has to worry about the guy being a ‘representation’ of him.
Almost as though Hispanics were some new unfamiliar life-form from outer space, and this professor is the first one we were able to capture and study to see if they were a real threat.
I’m gonna think of the biggest Irish scumbag I can, and name him or her as Quinn’s “representation.”
Michele,
As usual your agenda prohibits you from reading comprehension. I did not say I spouse his views. I simply clarified his message and the message you teabaggers/teapatiers intended by using the video.
“Look past the race doctor, see the morality!” Yes Michele, free speech is color blind. My point exactly is that I question your morality. You asking to find out where this individual works and have him fired is my point. Others should find out where you and those that think like you work and have you and your friends fired is then fair. Some people take offense with your views. See how morally corrupt you are.
That said. He has the same right to spew his beliefs as you, racists, KKK, White supremacists, politicians and the rest of America have…….THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH.
Your clan is supporting violating constitutional laws. Is this another constitutional law your clan wishes to apply selectively.
“Michelle’s stupidity and racism in a nutshell. Because Dr. Lomeli is hispanic and so is this nutty professor, Dr. Lomeli has to worry about the guy being a ‘representation’ of him.”
MQ says:
Am I the only one who listened to the nut? Pick any scumbag you can, because I make sure that i am clear in my disgust and revolt! I don’t sugar cover any SCUMBAG no matter his origin!
“As usual your agenda prohibits you from reading comprehension. I did not say I spouse his views. I simply clarified his message and the message you teabaggers/teapatiers intended by using the video.”
MQ says:
I read between the lines Doctor, Its quite easy, you should try it!
He very much is FREE to speak his complete rubbish, But I am also free to call him on it and the people who SEEM to sugar coat his racist views and radical socialist and communist beliefs. I am also free to voice my out rage at the fact that the taxpayer in this Country is paying this wack jobs wage!
Doctor the fact that you TWIST the obvious to try to sugar coat the fact that this man is a LA RAZA nut, is just you BACKING YOUR HISPANIC BROTHER, RIGHT?
This video has nothing to do with hispanics, immigration. This video is clearly a RACIST, LA RAZA NUT, VOICING HIS HATE OF AMERICA AND AMERICAN WHITES!
WOW, I AM SHOCKED!
Oh, and thanks to Terry Crowley for giving this professor an even bigger platform, so that Michelle Quinn could claim he is Dr. Lomeli’s “representation.” Mission accomplished!
Crowley’s last act on this blog, in case you all were wondering.
Doctor,
There is nothing wrong with being white, bleach your face and try it!
Don’t be trying to jump off any building though, white’s can’t fly, you will bleed the same way you did when your face was brown!
Just like wacko brown people, there are wacko white people. But to be fair to the white’s, they don’t bitch as much!
Why would it be crowley’s last act on this blog. I can get loads of wacko’s who are HISPANIC’s, of course most of them are either Mexican decent or actual Mexican nationalist , bitching and moaning about the fact the whites are ALL bad and we are dying off fast because we are getting older.
I have absolutely no problem telling Dr. L and any other Mexican living in this country that the Wacko teacher is his representation. Sane Mexicans better start speaking out because the seem few and far between!
And by the way Vern, yourself and sean are also the poster children of the hispanic left wing,” congratulations”.
But to be fair to the white’s, they don’t bitch as much!
Jesus Christ whites can bitch, they bitch till they embarrass me! Look at your own oeuvre, Quinn (that means the sum total of every word you’ve written on this blog.) PURE WHINEY WHITE-PERSON BITCHING! You make this white boy cringe in shame.
Michelle,
Do not try to read between the lines of what I say. I said what I said. You interpret what you read for your benefit. It is convenient in order to spew your bigotry.
I am glad you agree that he has the right to free speech as you do to express your disagreement with him. Good for you.
I will argue for your right to free speech too. I then am backing my Irish sister,right? NO ……I am only defending you free speech right as I am for the speaker in the video. I do not agree with either of you on your issues.
No I interpret what you REALLY, REALLY MEAN! The fact that you underscore everything, makes suggestion’s, makes you suspect!
I don’t disagree with him, I DISAGREE with you. I think the MAN is a scumbag, I more than disagree with him. I see him as a potential threat to myself and my family. He is a dangerous individual. Any man who see’s Murderous dictators as,” BROTHERS”, are a danger to all!
I defend everyone right to speak, because speech is how we weed out the bad from the good!
This Man needs to be fired and never be allowed to teach at any public school!
“But to be fair to the white’s, they don’t bitch as much!”
MQ says,
You are right, I forgot about left wingers like yourself Vern. Bitching and Moaning about how much WHITE American’s need to bend over and take it in the ass!
So if I am bitching about anything, it’s watching good meaningful people being forced to kneel to the almighty left wing and their political correct crap.
If I embarrass YOU, good job Michelle!
But YES as much as the left wings elitist whites bitch and moan, they don’t have a dime when it comes to hispanic activist’s and the Al Sharptens of this country!
“I then am backing my Irish sister,right? NO”
MQ says:
No you are backing the truth, from your AMERICAN SISTER!
Vern says
The only time I’ve used a “white hood” as long as I’ve been on the blog (I’m pretty sure) was in my over-the-top “doggerel” post “Arpaio’s Comin’ to Town!” There I wove a little story of Costa Mesa Mayor Allan Mansoor playfully trying on a hood and cape in front of his (temporarily distanced) mentor, famed white supremacist Martin Millard. I illustrated it with a photo of a real klansman, and even suggested subtly that Mansoor and Millard may be lovers.
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
@ MQ:
It is racist, bigoted, ignorant and stupid to assume that a “brown”/”Hispanic activist” represents “BROWN” Americans of Latino/Hispanic/Mexican descent, as you conveniently want to say that this professor represents Dr Lomeli.
One side of me, actually feels sorry for you because of the little race-baiting game you often engage in…It must be a sad life to have such feelings, and to fall back on that little charade.
It would be just as racist, bigoted and ignorant for me or any to to see that:
1) All KKK members are WHITE.
2) All white racial supremacists are WHITE.
And then conclude. Therefore, ALL WHITES are racists.
Any racism, bigotry or irrational hate FROM any one individual or group, TO any individual or group is UN-American.
And as distasteful as any hate speech is, I willingly served on our military to ensure Free Speech, and our Constitutional protections and principles.
But we all have to be concerned and alert when those who are driven by racism, bigotry or hate:
1) Want to Move to act on it through VIOLENCE; or
2) Want to Move to act on it by violating our Constitutional protections by passing flawed unconstitutional laws.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
Santa Ana, CA
#42, you like that? Lots of other fun vignettes in this epic poem, and they ALL RHYME!
http://orangejuiceblog.com/2010/04/arpaios-comin-to-town-doggere/
Art is a total chickensh!t. Especially when called on his racist nonsense. It is too bad, because I used to find the OJ a great place to have healthy debates, but no longer. I posted many comments on Art’s bogus take on Santa Ana traffic enforcement, and guess what – all were deleted. None were offensive, no foul language used, just calling Art on his outrageous blather. I’m actually stunned that any Art criticism made it onto this post.
Rob,
Most likely your deleted comments were personal attacks on me. I don’t see any reason to give you a platform to kick my ass. You can do that at the local red and blue blogs.
And my takes on Santa Ana traffic enforcement are always based on facts. You can refute them if you want, but we take great care to prove our points. The Santa Ana DUI checkpoints, for example, are just a reason to take cars away from immigrants. They hardly catch any drunk drivers that way. Waste of money and time.
By the way, if you are not chickenshit, why don’t you post your full name? That’s what I thought.
Mr. F. The problem is that all whites are considered racist if they oppose the obvious racist rants of the brown. It has become a one way street and that needs to stop.
I do not believe all brown/black/yellow/white people are racist. I do believe that race has become a way for people to demand, insist on the ridiculous. I do believe in this country the brown have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card. I do believe that rich White American’s benefit from the entitlements that the brown ( especially) in California are showered with from the feds and state Government.
I believe this countries brown people need a major reality check!
Racism is not UN-American, It’ s just stupid to assume anything based on race or to ask for entitlements because of your race!
It’s not UN-AMERICAN, its just not LOGICAL. I think this logic is universal!
Art, you’ve lost it… you don’t have it no more. For a while there, you were respected on here. No, I don’t mean people were agreeing with your nonsense, but they respected you for a guy who could take a punch. Even the Great One praised you for allowing free speech on this blog. Now you’re deleting posts left and right because you don’t want to “give you a platform to kick my ass.”
Lam,
Long held belief of mine. Argue the points if you want to, but come after me personally and sayonara. Go start your own blog if you just want to kick my ass.
The fact is, the Latino bashers are everywhere. Here in the OC the loudest voice against scapegoating of Mexicans is yours truly. The odds suck. But I will not relent.
I do not really think Art is racist, I think he is ethnocentric!
Michelle,
I have great empathy for the working poor. That’s all.
Art,
The police do not take away car from immigrants, they do not even take cars away from illegal immigrants. They take away cars from people who have either no license, insurance ect..
Stop making the cops look like they are always harassing immigrants. Its just not the truth and you know It!
You are a very good man Art, don’t get jaded! I respect your passion and your convictions. If you believe what you speak about untruths are not needed!
They poor do not need empathy, they need the tools and the pathway to success!
Being poor is not a disease!