
Gun Activists Tim Knight (center), candidate for Governor Asmb. Tim Donnelly (far right), and “Someone Just Shot Me In The Butt” Bear (left), unfurl recall — and aim it at west central Orange County. Photo used for identification purposes only; credit to Rich Pedroncelli, AP.
1. Spiteful Recall Would Target Latino Legislators — Just Coincidentally
This story didn’t cross my radar until overnight when it was posted by a Facebook friend — make that former Facebook friend, as of this morning — from New England. If you haven’t been paying attention to what has been happening in Colorado politics, you’re apparently about to find out about it here.
Following a model that has been successful in Colorado, California gun rights activists — I choose not to call them “gun nuts” because only some of them are nuts, and there are extremists in almost every movement — yesterday announced that they plan to sponsor recall drives against California state legislators who have supported gun control legislation this past year. Among the targets in their sights — sorry, I can’t think of a better way to put that — is North Orange County Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva.
(This means that I win a bet with several of my friends in politics who have a hard time thinking outside of the box — but I can’t remember who they are. Whoever it is, just pay up.)
The Sacramento Bee gives you the basics:
Having failed to persuade Gov. Jerry Brown to reject a wide-ranging package of gun control bills, pro-gun advocates announced on Thursday they will seek to punish Democrats who supported the measures at the ballot box.
“Every single assemblyman and state senator swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution,” Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, R-Twin Peaks, told reporters before speaking at the conference. “And when they violate that oath by trying to erase the Second Amendment, then I think we have a duty” to “remove that threat.”
The recall effort, trumpeted during a press conference on the west steps of the state Capitol building, comes after Second Amendment stalwarts successfully recalled two Colorado legislators last month over their votes for tough new gun control measures. Tim Knight, who launched the Colorado effort, spoke in Sacramento on Thursday about a groundswell of popular anger against California’s gun control package, as did Sam Paredes of Gun Owners of California.
“Since the governor’s action in signing the bills and vetoing bills, we have been inundated with calls and emails, communications with people all over the state of California asking us, what are we going to do about this?” Paredes said, adding that “the recall is one way to send a message: if you continue to do this, we’re going to continue to fight.”
Here’s a sample from an article by radical gun rights proponents:
Everyone keeps saying California gun owners need to do something drastic to help restore their gun rights, which have been largely legislated away in recent years.
Now it appears they are taking drastic steps.
Earlier today, gun rights advocates, along with Tim Donnelly, a Republican state representative, held a press conference on the steps of the California State Capitol building.
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Earlier this year the California state legislature passed numerous anti-gun bills. About half of those bills were actually signed into law by the governor.
The California recall effort will target state lawmakers that are seen as weak targets. Senators Norma Torres and Ben Hueso, Assemblywomen Lorena Gonzalez, Sharon Quirk-Silva and Speaker John A. Pérez are all possible targets for recall.
Do you notice some common theme among those names? The Latino Caucus of the legislature sure did:
The threats made in front of the Capitol garnered a swift denunciation from the California Latino Legislative Caucus, which noted that the five lawmakers mentioned are Latino.
“Any organization intent on abusing the recall process for political gain should be ashamed of itself,” said Sen. Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens). “The shame is even more stark and pronounced when the strategy targets only Latinos. Californians will not stand for any campaign that is clearly racist and devoid of any political or legal legitimacy.”
Torres also denounced the recall threats made by activists and Republican Assemblyman Tim Donnelly of Twin Peaks, a potential candidate for governor.
“The fact is I have never supported any effort to strip responsible gun owners of our 2nd Amendment rights,” Torres said. “What I have supported are policies aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of murderers, criminals and in places where they pose an obvious threat to public safety. The voters in my community are smart and will recognize that this is nothing more than a political stunt.”
I had this to say on Facebook:
This development was predictable. Well, they can take Sharon away from us when they pry her from our cold, dead hands.
This is going to backfire gloriously on them if they try it; it will be an incredible organizing tool and will massively raise the amounts she can raise. It won’t be the first time that these guys have shot themselves in the foot.
Now let’s game out how a recall would go.
2. How a Recall Might Blow Up in Proponents’ Faces
First of all, they have to find someone that they want to run against her. Chris Norby, with his A+ rating from the California Rifle and Pistol Association (I think that the “+” means that he’s actually killed and field-dressed some critter right on the Assembly floor), is the obvious choice. That would complicate things for the Ed Royce faction of the party, meaning that they have to rush Young Kim out of the oven before she is more than half-baked. This is a significant problem for them, especially because judging from that interview she gave at the GOP state convention, she may never be more than half-baked. Their worst nightmare (in this venue, anyway) is that Norby regains his seat and gets to run as an incumbent, making it likely that he rather than Kim would face off in the general election a year from now.
Meanwhile, the state Democratic party, which is pretty flush, gets to do some early construction on its fearsome Quirk-Silva re-election machine. The rationale for such a recall is that with a smaller electorate, in which gun owners are sure to come out, that faction will comprise a larger fraction of the electorate — making it possible for the minority to overturn the will of last November’s majority. The answer is to expand the size of the electorate — including in, you guessed it! — West Anaheim, which is Ground Zero for Democratic plans to build up our base in the county. So we’d have a chance to flood the area with resources at a time when nothing else electoral is happening in the state.
Massive fundraising and door-to-door canvassing ensues, including in Latino areas that have generally been hard to reach. We get to build serious neighborhood organizations there. (Hell, maybe we can recall the Republicans in the City Council majority as well after all, just to help get out the Democratic vote.) And the really cool thing is that our party gets to keep the lists! The Republican Party would get to do so as well, of course, but they are already much closer to getting maximum efficiency out of their electorate. They might be able to squeeze out an additional 5,000 votes, where we might get an additional 50,000. (And those votes will be available for us in the primary and general election, too! Lots of people who are gun friendly still don’t want the most extreme “gun nuts” running everything.)
Individual donors who will have maxed out to Sharon would get a chance to donate again. So would others who would welcome the opportunity to ingratiate themselves with the Democratic leadership. (I expect that I’m not the only one who can accept being beaten fair and square in a general election but would be truly fried to be beaten by an extremist fringe in a recall. Donors to such a drive would be painting targets on themselves in indelible ink.)
Business groups might try to pull out the stops to defeat her — but they wouldn’t be able to operate in the shadows. They would likely recognize that a lot more damage could be done to them in the legislature in 2014 if Gov. Brown, who is a big fan of Quirk-Silva, decided that he was done being even-handed, so this is not likely the hill they’d choose to die on. (In fact, their letting recall proponent and extremist Gubernatorial candidate Tim Donnelly die on this hill might downright appeal to them!)
All of this might make it sound like I’d like them to go ahead and try to recall Sharon. No, I wouldn’t — because there would be a cost. That cost is distraction. Sharon’s getting a great reputation in Sacramento — and that requires her being in Sacramento. If she has to be out here campaigning, we’re not getting our best representation within the party that controls the levers of power. As Orange County Republicans will admit in unguarded moments, there are some real advantages to having someone up there who can ask for something for the county and get a good answer.
So, as an active Democrat, I hope that the effort falls flat. (As a blogger, it would probably be insanely fun, but I’ll suppress that interest.) And as a moderate on gun issues — that’s right, as someone who thinks that the Supreme Court’s Heller decision of five years ago was probably rightly decided as a matter of law, but who thinks that the extremists who try to extend the rights of gun ownership while disclaiming any responsibility for addressing the social evils that it creates are undermining the legitimacy of their cause — I’m sorry that the yammering extremes make the sort of rational discussion of firearms issues impossible.
I have a feeling that that view of things might play pretty well with the public that is sick of handgun violence. It might even bring a lot of them out in a recall election. We’ll see.
“they have to rush Young Kim out of the oven before she is more than half-baked”
Funny. I wonder if anybody remembered to add baking powder to begin with.
I hate recalls. They’re the worst. It is bad enough that the voters hit snooze more than often when it is a regular election. A recall? They do not even hear the alarm.
Besides, put a piece of paper asking for a signature in front of Albertson’s, and sheeple will sign it.
The worst, I tellya.
I could care less for either State Senator Norma Torres or State Assemblyman Tim Donnelly. Tim and friends want to recall Norma and several of her legislative colleagues because they are not honoring the second amendment and passed legislation infringing on it. However it is a quixotic quest for Tim and his recall supporters.
Maybe it’s time for me to be the wet blanket and extinguish the commotion that the far right is advocating. A recall of Norma Torres is fiscally irresponsible when we will have elections in June and November to see if Norma will get her very likely first full term. Hosting a special election just to recall someone who only has less than a year and some change is not fiscally responsible. If we want to can Norma Torres, we need to reach out to the voters instead of playing with the direct democracy system.
I could disagree with her zeal to arrest marijuana smokers who drive, I could disagree with her cowardice on AB 1266 and I could disagree on how she fails to help improve the business climate in our state. However the voters of the newly 20th State Senate District in 2014 like Norma Torres despite how many of us may disagree with her from time to time.
If Republicans and others want to reduce the Democratic Party majority, we need to be relevant for the people of our communities and state. We need to focus on the bread and butter issues that affect the daily lives of the people that live here.
Nicely stated.
Yeah, Matt’s pretty good for a — San Bernardino County resident! 😉
I am curious as to what you think the right that is not far right is advocating.
I’ll spot you
1. Taxes. Lower the damn taxes
2. Pension reform. Lower the damn government employee pensions
3. Cut regulations. Eliminate job-killing regulations
Anything ranks higher as a state level issue than that?
It seems that Curt Hagman would rather focus on repealing AB 1266 instead of AB 109 which caused some more pain in Placer County with 4 people shot by a felon. Shame on Curt Hagman. Personally I am the opposite of the Obama voter who might of voted Yes on Prop 8. I was the McCain voter who voted NO on Prop 8.
Its the priorities.
OK, so you come across as one more socially liberal than Curt.
But do you honestly believe that makes you the part of the right that is not far right?
I would suggest you are part of a very small minority on the right. Far smaller than the Obama voters (or even the McCain ones) who voted for Prop 8. Given that Curt won by 20 in a district where R over D is only a 10 point gap suggests that he is doing what his constituents value highly.
Isn’t this the same Donnelly “mental midget” the guy trying to board a plane to Sacramento with a loaded gun? Wow, and now he wants to recall others. Must be above the law everyone else has to abide by. Maybe he should be recalled.
CJ
Same guy. Vern profiled one of his campaign events this week:
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2013/10/gop-fault-lines-baugh-dice-hola-while-newport-teabaggers-fete-minuteman-donnelly/
Sadly, he’s a good ideological fit for his district, so trying to recall him would do no good.
I said recalling Mike Morrell would be an interesting idea. If Republicans want to play hostage takers, the Democrats could do the same thing.