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Maybe someone else has already noticed and written about this recently — but if so I haven’t seen it. And it’s disturbing. If you don’t want to wade through the introduction, you can get to the punch by skipping down to the map below.
It’s long been understood that the Electoral College vote could end up without any candidate having a majority of the 538 votes, and people have written about that. Sometimes this is called an “electoral college tie” — but that’s not strictly true. All that’s necessary is for no one to reach 270 votes out of the 538. This could happen because of a 269-269 tie — or it could happen because a third candidate picks up enough electoral voters to block either of the other candidates from a majority (as would be the case if Gary Johnson took Maine and left a 269-265, 268-266, or 267-267 split between Trump and Clinton), or it happen due to a “faithless elector.”
Yes, if either Trump or Clinton won 270-268 — it would be possible for a single elector in that majority to — breaking the law, perhaps, but nevertheless — cast their vote for a third party ticket, or even for Michelle Obama or Gary Johnson. And then — if Congress or the courts didn’t find a way to squash it — that person would become just as eligible to be selected by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation getting one vote (so that Wyoming gets the same amount of votes as California and a tied state delegation gets no vote at all) as the two major party candidates who had almost but not quite 270. (Their running mate could not be selected; the Senate chooses between only the top two vote-getters as Vice-President.) Note that the story linked to up above is incorrect: it doesn’t matter whether the House of Representatives goes overwhelmingly Democratic this year or not, so long as the Republicans hold either a majority of the 26 state delegations — or perhaps even simply a majority of those able to cast a vote (i.e., not tied or entirely vacant.) Congress would decide on that rule.
This is a perennial (well. perennially a quadrennial) story; I even wrote about it here myself at the beginning of this month to explain why Bernie wouldn’t run as a third party candidate. (It would guarantee a Trump victory if he did well enough to hold both candidates below 270 electoral votes, essentially. And in those stories, writers often come up with plausible-seeming scenarios where, if the chips fell just right, we could get an electoral vote tie.
Well, guess what? Or, don’t guess: just look at the following map, adapted from the predictions at Nate Silver’s fivethirtyeight.com.

The direction in which each state leaned as of the closing day of the 2016 Democratic convention. Light pink and blue indicate likely swing states.
Each state’s number of electoral votes is highlighted. The bright blue states are considered safe for Clinton; the bright reddish ones are considered safe for Trump. (I don’t actually believe that Minnesota, Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, Oregon or Maine — at least it’s second district, which gets its own single electoral vote — are truly “safe” for Clinton, and I’m not sure what if anything is actually “safe” for Trump, who could crash through a guard rail at any time. But his “safe states” currently do seem safer.) The light blue states (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Colorado) are “Clinton-held” swing states; the pink states (Nevada, Arizona, Iowa, Ohio, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Florida) are “Trump-held” swing states.
These projections are taken from Nate Silver’s site as of yesterday. At that point, every state was leaning in the same direction in each of the three ways that Silver calculates his predictions. These three ways are: (1) the “now-cast” of where the vote would be expected to go if the election were held today; (2) the “polls-only” model, which simply aggregates the polls for each state; and (3) the “polls-plus” model, which takes into account not only polls but the state of the economy, presidential popularity, and perhaps a little more. Trump does best in the “now-cast” (#1) and Clinton best in the “polls plus” model (#3), with Clinton prevailing in the “polls only” model (#2). But the states fundamental direction stays the same in each model: it’s just that in the “now-cast” Clinton safe states turn into swing states and the swing states get even more swingy, and in the “polls-plus” safe Trump states become swingy and his swing-states get closer to flipping. (In today’s “polls-plus” model, for example, Nevada, Iowa, and New Hampshire switched from pink to blue. Don’t get used to it; the latter two margins are each half a percent.)
So what’s so interesting? Well, if things were stay the same as on July 28 within a fairly broad range of conditions — which probably won’t happen, but it’s the best estimate for each state as of yesterday, and it’s still true for models #1 and #2 — then this is what the final map would look like. Add up all of the electoral votes of the red and pink states. And then add up all of the electoral votes for the blue and light-blue states.
They both add up to 269. As of July 28, the best estimate on a state by state basis, not including the correlations of effects in the various races that turn the path of the election, is an Electoral Vote tie.
This is your Weekend Open Thread. Pick yourself up off the floor and talk about that, or anything else you’d like, within reasonable bounds of decorum and discretion.
I don’t believe it will be that close in the actual voting. I think, that just as with the Goldwater campaign in ’68 men and women will get behind the curtain and just won’t be able to pull the trigger for Trump. His rhetoric is to blatantly fascist. He’s just too scary. The electoral college…now that could be a problem. Depends on whether they vote their conscience or their party. I sure hope I’m right.
’68?
Wrong year but point taken.
I hope Kathleen is right but my fear is the HTC dissenters and independents will not vote, or vote for Stein or Johnson, thus giving white working class voters that 1 needed extra electoral vote. If a tie Trump wins, if massive defection from Democratic Party, Trump wins. To say I’m afraid is an understatement. Not worried about CA but the too many purple states.
I think that it’s a valid concern, Craig. And while Hillary has does some things to cater to Sanders voters — accepting many platform changes (but with significant exceptions such as fracking, TPP, and recognition of Palestinian rights), and graciously allowing Bernie to support her publicly (maybe not so much of a concession) — she has also undercut them in many ways. (I have no faith that she will try to implement Bernie’s and her own liberal platform items, or that if she does so she won’t be far too willing to take a fall, or that if she does work hard for them she won’t trade them away when the donors get agitated.) And I fully expect her to be more aggressive than Obama when it comes to trying to purge the party of actually progressive (as opposed to Orange County’s version of “progressive”) activism.
If you’re worried about people in swing states, then make calls into swing states. (You already know this, so this is directed at others.) It’s a great way to learn what people are thinking. Or, we Bernie types can work harder on downticket races so that we free the Hillary devotees to fly off to Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Florida to work the election. (And I think that I’ve mentioned “vote trading” here somewhere before.)
With the end of the primaries, without the National Popular Vote bill in effect, the political relevance of three-quarters of all Americans, like voters in California, is now finished for the presidential election.
Because of state-by-state winner-take-all laws, not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution. . .
In the 2012 general election campaign
38 states (including 24 of the 27 smallest states) had no campaign events, and minuscule or no spending for TV ads.
More than 99% of presidential campaign attention (ad spending and visits) was invested on voters in just the only ten competitive states..
Two-thirds (176 of 253) of the general-election campaign events, and a similar fraction of campaign expenditures, were in just four states (Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Iowa).
Issues of importance to non-battleground states are of so little interest to presidential candidates that they don’t even bother to poll them individually.
Over 87% of both Romney and Obama campaign offices were in just the then 12 swing states. The few campaign offices in the 38 remaining states were for fund-raising, volunteer phone calls, and arranging travel to battleground states.
The political reality is that campaign strategies in ordinary elections are based on trying to change a reasonably achievable small percentage of the votes—1%, 2%, or 3%. The only 12 states that received any attention in the 2012 general election campaign for President were states where the outcome was between 45% and 51% Republican — that is, within 3 percentage points of Romney’s eventual nationwide percentage of 48%. .
Since World War II, a shift of a few thousand votes in one or two states would have elected the second-place candidate in 4 of the 15 presidential elections
Policies important to the citizens of non-battleground states are not as highly prioritized as policies important to ‘battleground’ states when it comes to governing.
“Battleground” states receive 7% more federal grants than “spectator” states, twice as many presidential disaster declarations, more Superfund enforcement exemptions, and more No Child Left Behind law exemptions.
Compare the response to hurricane Katrina (in Louisiana, a “safe” state) to the federal response to hurricanes in Florida (a “swing” state) under Presidents of both parties. President Obama took more interest in the BP oil spill, once it reached Florida’s shores, after it had first reached Louisiana. Some pandering policy examples include ethanol subsidies, steel tariffs, and Medicare Part D. Policies not given priority, include those most important to non-battleground states – like water issues in the west.
I just caught up with this article from yesterday’s New York Times, which is remarkably off the mark in a way that gives me the chills.
Here are the problems that you, as a reader of OJB, should already recognize:
(1) Trump doesn’t need to get to 270; he only needs to get to 269, because if the election goes to the House of Representatives he already wins (or at least Hillary loses). Remember: HILLARY LOSES IN THE EVENT OF A TIE!
(2) If Trump can win in Maine’s second district — not a bad bet, even if he loses Maine overall — then in the rest of the country he only has to get to 268.
(3) So the declaration that “It now looks exceedingly difficult for him to assemble even the barest Electoral College majority without beating Hillary Clinton in a trifecta of the biggest swing states: Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania” is completely off the mark. The map at the top shows him reaching 269 votes without Pennsylvania OR Maine-2. Maine-2 — unmentioned by the article — puts him to 270 without Pennsylvania — and (see point 1) that isn’t even necessary for him.
(4) That “Mrs. Clinton has a solid upper hand in Colorado and Virginia” is already baked into the above map. Trump needs neither state.
(5) Yes, Trump does probably need North Carolina and Ohio — but he doesn’t need the rest of the industrial Midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan), even though at least the latter two are gettable. (And if he wins Michigan, he doesn’t NEED North Carolina.)
(6) The question and answer in the story — “Does Trump have to run the table of the top three targets (of Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania? Absolutely” — from a Trump strategist is absolutely untrue. And the strategist MUST KNOW that it’s absolutely untrue — because this is the most likely map based on a major aggregators current view of who leads each state! So why is he selling this? And why is the NYT buying it?
(7) Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe’s statement “that Mrs. Clinton could effectively throttle the Trump campaign by winning Virginia, where he is confident of her standing, and one other swing state. He named Florida as the most inviting option.” is entirely wrong. We can spot Clinton Virginia and she still loses by this map. If she wins Florida, Trump drops down to 240 — which means that she’d need to win Pennsylvania and Wisconsin or Colorado, OR Michigan and Wisconsin and Colorado AND Maine. That’s simply not beyond him!
(8) The statement that “Strategists for Mrs. Clinton largely dismiss that possibility [of his having a path through Michigan], pointing out that Mr. McCain and Mr. Romney also hoped to compete in both Michigan and Wisconsin” strikes terror into my heart. OF COURSE Trump has a better chance at Michigan and Wisconsin than McCain or Romney did — they’re brought into play by a populist campaign! And even a faux-populist campaign like Trump’s can do it.
What all of this this tells me is that Democratic strategists feeling this bullshit to the Times are simply clueless. If I were a Trump supporter, I’d be reading this article and laughing my evil mastermind laugh: the Democrats still do not get it! How is this even possible?
Like this:
That’s the one!
Seriously, if this article reflects the view of our party’s strategists (as seems likely), they are nincompoops and we are in a world of hurt.
From 1992- 2012
13 states (with 102 electoral votes) voted Republican every time
19 states (with 242) voted Democratic every time
If this 20 year pattern continues, without the National Popular Vote bill in effect,
Democrats only would need a mere 28 electoral votes from other states.
If Republicans lose Florida (29), they would lose.
“As the fastest-growing group of voters in the country’s biggest swing state, “you could make the case that [Puerto Ricans are] the most important voters in the United States,” Fernand Amandi, a Florida pollster
Some states have not been competitive for more than a half-century and most states now have a degree of partisan imbalance that makes them highly unlikely to be in a swing state position.
• 41 States Won by Same Party, 2000-2012
• 32 States Won by Same Party, 1992-2012
• 13 States Won Only by Republican Party, 1980-2012
• 19 States Won Only by Democratic Party, 1992-2012
• 7 Democratic States Not Swing State since 1988
• 16 GOP States Not Swing State since 1988
Add in the states won 4-5 times and Republicans have the advantage over Dems — and that’s before you add in Arkansas and West Virginia, which have gone blue to deep red since 2000.
Trump’s convention bump was short-lived:
http://pollingreport.com/wh16gen.htm
Hopefully there’s no zombie bump — because to kill it you would have to shoot it in the brain, and that might be very difficult.
But how do you kill aliens? It’s between “Look at me, I have a vagina!” and “Look at me, I’m a rich white guy!”
http://img3.joyreactor.com/pics/post/auto-simpsons-kang-kodos-345953.jpeg
Gawd – this blog is as boring as the Anaheim Blog.
Vern, I can’t stand to see junior suffer like this. Please let me do the humane thing — just for 100 days or so….
For WOT – “Your Tax Dollars at …… WTF ???” Department-
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-02/white-house-caught-secretly-airlifting-17-billion-us-taxpayer-cash-tehran-ensure-ira
No, it does NOT feel better that the 4-Star Hotel giveaway was ‘only’ $500 M !
Another curious item-
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-02/khan
Does the (apparently abused) EB-5 visa program have any similar relation with the months ago OC Reg article about how the Buena Park Mall/Retail project “The Source” was financed by visa-hungry foreign investors, with unemployment measurement districts GERRYMANDERED to produce desired results in the project district ? Sure sounds similar from the complaint list in the Congressional document in the article.
More “Khan – text” ??
The continuing saga of Citizens United-
https://youtu.be/ShdS4exow7Y
For WOT-
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/mark-boals-bergdahl-tapes-us-917936
We’re reusing last week’s WOT this week, as we didn’t push it very far down the list. Environmentally sound!
All we have left is BBORW and Mudge’s links to crap that they find fascinating. Wake me when somebody wants to discuss something.
Aren’t blogs supposed to be a USER driven pot luck of community interest ?Why don’t YOU bring something to the table besides your appetite ?
AB 1909 would turn prosecutors who falsify or withhold evidence into felons.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/county-725339-prosecutors-orange.html
Interesting that the article mentions T-Rack as supporting it, while “a union” of OC attorneys, deputy DA’s, etc., oppose it, claiming court congestion. Wonder why ? Isn’t the penalty supposed to be a DETERRENT, or is OC abuse THAT widespread ?