Election Day is two weeks from yesterday. I’m still stuck working on my big case for another week, but we just can’t wait that long for another Open Thread!
Eventually what I’m writing about today will make it into the Everything About Elections post, but I’ll put them here because it’s a more visible venue. I didn’t get to the Local initiatives, but they’re pretty easy. With some exceptions like Stanton’s measure, they’re almost all bond measures. So let’s talk bonds.
Bonds are generally not a great way to raise money, although municipal bonds are going to be a bit overvalued because investors receive favorable tax treatment when they buy them. The strongest argument against a given bond measure comes when they are to be used for present benefits with the costs being shunted forward to future residents. For example, if you proposed a bond that would pay higher salaries for more teachers and public safety workers (police and fire), you’re just being a jerk. Those advantages accrue to us, now, and we — not future residents — should be the ones to pay for them. (And of course, bonds generally establish their domain as a high priority — which may not be so.)
But: when bonds are offered to serve future residents more than current ones, I believe that they do have a rightful place, presuming that the money is being borrowed for something legitimately compelling. (I encourage those such as Zenger, who find even those measures suspect, to disagree here.) A bond to build and repair school buildings, for which a city may never be able to put aside enough money in its current budget, mainly serves people from about 1-31 years from now. (Except for the Building Trades, who get their benefits sooner.) Avoiding dangerously outdated and worn school infrastructure is something for which we would expect future residents to thank us for our foresight. As I recall, most of these measures are school bonds: I’m voting for mine, Measure H, in Brea, where I expect it to raise my rent a bit, and I hope that residents of Fullerton will vote for theirs, and I would generally go along with others (except where I really distrust a school board, like Placentia/Yorba Linda if they can’t rid themselves of Leandra Blades, who for all I know might want to spend the bond money on munitions.)
So if you must vote before I return here next Wednesday to offer with my final recommendations — that is how I’d plan to vote. But let’s remember: a school bond election season is a great time to recall the need for charter school reform — because present policies are way too generous to those who want to sap the public school system, both for personal profit and because they actively want to undermine it. (Who will take the lead on that? Maybe some Assembly member or State Senator in their last term?)
I look forward to people who have time to look under the hood of their local measures and say whether they think that the wish lists are legitimate priorities to chime in with details on why that is.
So: we’ve got an Open Thread! So talk about this or whatever else you’d like, within reasonable bounds of discretion and decorum. Specific election questions for me to tackle earlier are encouraged!
A note on Special Neshanian rules: Eric, in a given post, you get three top level comments max, max of three links in each post. No additional links in your responses. Don’t game the system and we’ll get along fine. Ex post facto restrictions on your comments may be imposed and may include attainder. Good luck!
Mariel Garza abruptly resigns after Billionaire owner blocks LA Times publishing of presidential endorsement.
https://bsky.app/profile/phillewis.bsky.social/post/3l77ibuhd6s2l
The LA Times owner asked for a comparison chart of Trump’s and Harris’ actual policies, both good and bad, while in office? What a delightful idea! Meanwhile, General Michael Flynn is exiled from Facebook.
General Michael Flynn is a Russian asset and a traitor.
And as Garza pointed out, that is not a task for the Opinion desk, it’s a task for the News desk.
The Opinion Desk takes the news and writes opinions about it.
Dr. Exalted Owner is going to ruin the LA Times. This path eventually leads to where the only way he’ll be able to turn it into a right-wing scandal sheet like the NY Daily News — or he could just outright sell it to the Murdoch Family. Not taking a stance against fascism is a blot on the record of the LAT and, given its role here, of the city. Time for a subscriber strike and a worker-owned alternative?
Pam, what do you think of Kamala calling Trump a fascist? Do you think he is? If he is, and you follow him, do you think that that makes you a fascist too? What does that feel like?
Oh, and if you answer that you’ll follow Trump anywhere under whichever ideology he chooses: do you now think that the U.S. should have sided with Adolph Hitler in WW2? Why or why not?
(Note: I presume that you’re going to reply by saying that Hitler was a socialist — and calling his party “national socialist” doesn’t make it so — and that Kamala is a socialist and a communist. If so, please define socialist and communist and explain how she actually factually meets those criteria? For bonus points, define “social democrat” and “democratic socialist” (like Bernie Sanders — and not like Kamala) and explain why you think that either term (usually applied to most Scandinavian post-war policies) equates to socialism, communism, or fascist social communism, or whatever else you make up.)
(P.P.S.: Does Trump’s and Vance’s documented recent history lying and confabulation bother you in the least? Why not? ‘Cause it’s fun?)
Don’t trouble me now, Gregg. I have a horrible decision to make regarding who to vote for mayor of Irvine. Do I “waste” my vote on a long-shot outsider, Scolesdang? Or for the first time in my life give (Kim or Agran) my vote to a Democrat? I have sworn off beer until the election to adjust to this nightmare.
However, Irvine has mercifully removed my angst regarding a city councilmember vote. During the transition to Districts, ONLY areas 1-4 are voting for their representatives for 2 or 4 year stints. These winners will serve “At Large” until Districts 5 and 6 get to vote in 2026. As a resident of Dist. 5, I am unable to vote for my council representative for the next two years. I have NO VOTE. That, Mr. Diamond, is fascism.
Trump personally insulted me by the cheap photo-op at McDonald’s. But because I was LIED to for four years about Biden’s cognitive health, and Harris refusing to ever even once wear a skirt or dress (maybe giving me the “girlfriend” vibe of having something in common with her) Trump gets my vote anyway.
Irvine is just coming off of two years of representation by two members of the State Senate, Newman and Min. Some small scars of districting and redistricting aren’t entirely fair. But of course you — like the rest of Irvine’s voters — did have some say in who is in those at-large seats, so you weren’t totally disenfranchised. I suspect that, given that maintaining one’s reputation is a good thing, they will act as legitimate representatives of these two districts (to the extent they are generally inclined to be.)
OK, I’m going to try to analyze the field from what I take to be your perspective: I don’t have party registration information at hand, but judging my occupation it looks like — if you want to maintain your anti-Democratic-Party virginity — your best choices are retired CPA Wing Chow (presumably Chinese), realtor/entrepreneur Akshat “Ab” Bhatia (presumably South Asian), and business owner Ron Scolesdang (despite the name, apparently Southeast Asian and maybe some African American.) (Like Kamala!) There is another candidate named Delgado, but I won’t even bother suggesting him to you. So you’re pretty much SOL if you’re looking for a white candidate other than Agran. Or you could join me in supporting Lee Sun, an Irvine finance commissioner who is at least named after a celestial object! You like celestial objects, right?
The crazy thing is: with at least two Democrats splitting the vote, this is the first time that Katherine Daigle really would have had a fighting chance as a white MAGA Republican in this multi-culti crowd!
As for your thinking that your being denied full voting equity in a local race constituting “fascism” — that was not a big part of the Hitler/Mussolini/Franco platform … so, no. Go look up what fascism actually entails, wouldja?
(And it’s “Greg” with one “g” at the end, Wykof!)
Good call, nicely executed! This one will not count towards your allotment.
WAPO refuses to endorse.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/10/25/jeff-bezos-killed-washington-post-endorsement-of-kamala-harris-.html
It’s their owner Jeff Bezos who put the crimp on it.
And so, Democracy Dies. In Darkness.
There’s a big story here: it’s that Bezos is giving in to a terrorist. If Trump wins, he could take all sorts of actions to destroy Bezos business empire. So Bezos is not going to risk enraging him. And going forward half of the Opinion columnists will be “normies” and half will be fascists (or at least “fascist-friendly.”) I may be exaggerating, but not by much.
Some backstory re WAPO and Bezos 86’ing any presidential endorsement.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4954591-trump-meets-blue-origin-leaders-bezos/amp/
WAPO funnies take swipe at Bezos and paper’s silence in lieu of endorsement.
https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2024/oct/26/washington-post-cartoon-team-presidential-endorsement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/26/washington-post-endorses-kamala-harris-satire/
https://x.com/petridishes/status/1850307629652103258
Prop. 4 has a line item of $25 million for purchase and preservation of additional habitat in West Coyote Hills in Fullerton.
Thanks for the tip!
I would say “I hate to have to say this,” but that’s not really true. I’m happy to give our Chum at Lib OC credit and a link for a good piece, such as this one that goes into much more detail about the insane amounts of money — $700,000 and counting? — that anti-Lee Fink interests are putting into Fink’s Council race. That’s ten times more than Letitia Clark spent in her last citywide election!
Our Dear Chum may contend that all of his stories are that good — but really they aren’t. (Although most of the recent ones are decent.) This one doesn’t even sound much like his usual writing, but I an not going to cavil. And Tim Shaw sure seems to be doing well, the miserable sellout! Go click that link!
I believe you’re overdoing it on LibOC quality. 90% of the time he just slaps up someone’s press release and pretends he wrote it; most of the rest is petty trash like Jung-Kim.
Excuse me? Are YOU accusing ME of bringing MORE attention to the MASSIVE unprecedented onslaught of independent expenditures currently being leveled at Lee Fink as reported on the Lib OC article by praising Chum for publishing it (even though it does not match his writing style) because that apparent break with tradition is surprising enough to get people to click the link? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE IMPLYING?
Well, if so, I have to admit that it’s a decent guess. Yes, I didn’t want to write the same exact story here, so doing this way was convenient! We’ll be able to check our stats to see how many people clicked the link!
And seriously, once you get past the stinky “Fred and Tammy” story, the last several of them were pretty good. I particularly agreed with telling Betty Yee to get out of the goldarn way with her fundraising asks until this election is in the rearview mirror. At least that’s what I presume it was about; I didn’t bother reading it. Nor did I read the other ones, but they seemed to have decent targets, based on their titles.
You’re right, I wonder who did write that piece. Probably Fink or someone working for him. Dan puts up everything under his own name.
There aren’t even any misspellings.
LA Times editorial writers explains decision to leave
paper over refusal to print presidential endorsement.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/los-angeles-times-editorial-writer-resigned-endorsement-1236046211/
Bezos responds. No one trusts the media.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/28/jeff-bezos-washington-post-trust/
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jeff-bezos-washington-post-endorsement-decision/
WAPO tik tok creator spoofs Bezos.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/29/business/video/non-endorsement-jeff-bezos-tiktok-washington-post-digvid
USA Today and other Gannett owned news outfits refuse to endorse.
https://nypost.com/2024/10/29/media/gannett-owned-usa-today-wont-endorse-presidential-candidate/
More resignations and condemnations spurred by news outfits refusing to endorse a president.
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/billionaire-owners-wapo-la-times-19877875.php (Endorsements, we don’t need no stinking endorsements)
https://apple.news/ArprXNxSBTp2K7swunj7sFQ (“Screw you guys, I’m going home” Hugh Hewitt has had enough)
When was the last time you voted for a candidate based on a newspaper endorsement?
That’s not the real issue here.
When was the last time you voted for a candidate based on a newspaper endorsement?
How would we know? Humans are notoriously bad at explaining their own behavior, often coming up with post facto rationalizations of it.
However, people seem to think it’s important, and if it weren’t we’d it would probably give some (quasi-evolutionary) advantage to those campaigns who don’t care about it.
Taking a hard look at your question: do you think that people are ever moved by personal endorsements, or endorsements by public figures (or even parties)?
I think that they are. So why would we think that newspapers, which like soylent green are made of people (sorry for the spoiler) would be any different?