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Something has been missing from discussion on Lib OC about Jordan Brandman’s “not even a non-apology apology” for his calling his former colleague Denise Barnes a vile name preceded by an enhanced obscene adverb and accompanied by a threat to commit an act of violent maining once favored by certain Latin American dictators (which he asserted he could use because he learned it from his deceased mother): my own submitted comments.
Normally, I wouldn’t make a big deal out of this: I do not expect fair treatment from the proprietor of that blog, to whom I breezily refer to as Chumley because he and his former blogging partner together resembled a certain ’60s-era cartoon duo (as well as that it saves a hell of a lot of retyping.) But he came here a while ago to claim that we were censuring his comments on this site while he was allowing our comments on his site — which was exactly backwards. (He allows Vern’s comments, but not mine, except when I’ve issued take-down orders for the anonymous defamatory comments about me and Vern which used to be most of what appeared in his comments section.) And as a PR professional, he knows that a lie repeated enough times with adequate challenge comes to be taken as truth. (Indeed, I think he depends on it!)
So, I’m printing screenshots of my comments, languishing in moderation at his site prior to eventually being discarded, here. I have a few others lying around that I’m tossing in as well, because this seems like the place for it.
The serious aspect of this, of course, is that Anaheim’s City Council (and it’s HR and PR staff as well) have to figure out what they are going to do in the wake of Brandman’s vicious writings to a member of quasi-governmental “Anaheim First” about his colleague. Their judgment is best aided by a thorough discussion of the issue in the press. As Chumley has ruled that out, and it’s too petty for Voice of OC’s Facebook page, and too lowbrow for the Register, I suppose that it will have to happen here.
#1: And This Guy Complains About “Squirrel!”
How far will Chumley go to avoid a substantive defense of Brandman? At least this far: he’s willing to become the literal stereotype of an unfair and pernicious questioner. I tried to get the conversation back onto the right track.
#2: Greg’s Takedown of the Non-Apology
This was the main thing I had come there to write — and “you” here applies to Chumley. If it has much in common with Vern’s comments on Jordan’s non-apology in these pages, that’s just due to the two of us following the same putrid scent up the same trail. (The first part is a response to Chumley amplifying Jordan’s implication that some missing context in the text chain somehow justified his vile response):
#3: Why is Gillibrand There With Jordan?
Continuing the conversation of why Dan, who probably has an huge number of publishable photos of Jordan to choose from — and I’m not saying that any of him are in his bathroom, OK? — choose to publish one of him standing next to famously feminist Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, of all people? If Jordan had instead used racial insults against Denise, would we have instead seen a photo of Jordan standing next to a Black or Latino politician? (Well … yes, we probably would have. But wait … that’s the point!) So let’s see what scared Chumley enough to spike it!
While the content of Jordan’s texts largely speaks for itself, I expect that some DNC members might use the occasion of my contacts with Sen. Gillibrand to reach out and discredit me, Vern, Denise, this blog generally, etc. That’s fine! Gillibrand’s office being able to stack up those comments against what the appropriation of her image for the pink-washing we’re complaining about — before she’s asked about it by various reporters — will be all to the good!
#4: OK, Let’s Go Back to Masturbating*
*By which I mean the topic, not the activity. (But you be you!)
Chumley has what strikes me as an unhealthy curiosity about Vern’s private sexual behavior. Or, at the least, he is desperate to hang on to the fiction that Vern actually sent a bunch of very inappropriate tweets to a woman in whom his wife Donna was concerned might be a future focus on his romantic interest. Donna took some extreme steps to make him sound unpalatable to her by posing as him in some vulgar and inappropriate texts. (Not something I would do or want my wife to do, and my guess is that it was based on misinformation regard the by now very tamed-down Vern, but it is clearly an effective way of keeping one’s husband on the straight and narrow.) That target of this jealousy happens to be a friend of our former columnist Tito Watch, who — rather than look for both sides of the story — swallowed Chumley’s distortions and lies almost entirely unchewed. And he wrote a piece about it which Chumley still links to often.
Chumley is delighted by this, and treats these ventriloquist “confession” tweets as if they did come from Vern and therefore represent topics on which Vern can fairly to quizzed on from now until Doomsday. But in order to do that, he has to profess the belief that it was indeed Vern’s writing — which he either knows is false or showing reckless disregard of the truth in pretending is true. (In other words, Chumley doesn’t have the legal safe harbor against defamation that he thinks he does.)
As noted, as one of the gross-out tweets touches on the topic of masturbation, Chumley has gleefully himself started repeatedly touching it with startlingly ferocious vigor, until he is physically spent from handling it by the end of the blogging day. If you think that I’m overstating things (as opposed to overwriting them, as with that last sentence), consider the following evidence.
First of all, while we don’t ban all anonymous posters, we do generally ban ones that use anonymity as a shield to lob attacks without impacting their own reputation. (And if we’ve ever allowed a username like “Jack Meoff” during the time I’ve been here, I don’t recall it.) But Chumley revels in this sort of thing — aside from Vern and a few others, it’s pretty much the only commenting he gets — and will sniff about his not blocking people from his site as we do with people who are anonymous character assassins or bigots intent on making the site an unbearable ecosystem. (Contrast that thundering piety with, as you’ll see, his effectively banning me.)
#5: Dan & Hand Puppets Keep Hunting Squirrel
Far from spiking Jack Meoff’s comment, Chumley forcefully embraces it — after all, it distracts from discussing Jordan’s breast ripping and sexist name-calling! — going along with his imaginary friend’s trying to gin up another supposed romantic association about which Donna could get angry at Vern.
This accusation — first anonymous, then depraved — is to my mind at least as rude towards Bethany as Donna was towards Vern — fight me on that one, Tito Watch! — but Donna had the excuse of trying to protect her marriage and Chumley only has the excuse of maybe some major personality and character disorders.
Chumley then, as usual, jumps into the “you don’t have money so will this ‘new’ woman support you?” — again, the woman in question is a bereaved innocent bystander in this exchange! — which leaves me more mordantly interested than I’d like to be in the comparative size of Chumley and his professional reporter wife’s paychecks. (I mean, seriously — he’s obsessed! And, like Trump, obsessed with the defense of projection.)
Vern handled himself with admirable coolth, and Chumley comes back with a bit I have to write out here for the search engines, in case he belatedly and intelligently deletes it from his site:
“how is your job hunt coming along Vern? I’m thinking people are going to have a tough time shaking hands with you especially after using the restroom.”
Get it? That’s because, in Chumley’s brain, Vern is supposedly returning from the bathroom after having masturbated. (And doesn’t know how to wash?) As I said, Vern’s penis is a pretty sick obsession of Chumley’s.
But that’s not enough: next Chumley writes — again rather than defending Jordan’s language:
“Vern go back to your bathroom and gaze at twitter photos of someone you think is a woman who [isn’t] your wife … like your wife said you did.” (Emphasis added)
So Chumley knows that this is coming from Donna rather than Vern under Vern’s name, but he wants people to believe that it’s true nonetheless, because it suits his purpose of character assassination.
That’s not just “gross indifference to the truth,” it’s gross gross indifference.
How would I know this? Because here’s what I wrote him — which he deleted form moderation, because — unlike “Jack Meoff’s” subtle wit, he didn’t want you to see it.
Really, that first question was a pretty simple yes or no chance for him to say that he was only teasing — rather than actually trying to convince people that something embarrassing but false was actually true — and … he deleted the comment.
And if all of this takes your mind away from Chumley’s putrid lack of condemnation of what Jordan Brandman admits to having done — well, that’s what it was supposed to do! Get people talking about a false story — about the reporter who put together the story about Jordan’s texts — rather than a true one. And we’ll find out soon which side Anaheim’s City Council is on.
#7: Oh, and About the Vets Cemetery:
You’ll notice some little discussion between us as well about whether the Vets Cemetery will go to Irvine and, if so, where. It will be pretty simple to get a cemetery — actually two, one for vets and and adjoining one for everyone — built at the remote Gypsum Canyon site where Anaheim borders Corona. (Yes, it does.) Agran has created an initiative-driven legal mess in Irvine to where it’s probably either the ARDA site or nothing — and so it will be nothing. Chumley, as usual, has bad and biased sources.
#8: All Dan Knows About Water Policy Fits In….
To try to clear more of my backload of deleted comments, this exchange occurred on a different post on Lib OC. (I was poking around, not having been there for about a month, and it was ostensibly on MWDOC policy — a board we cover extensively here and one for which I’ve run — mostly just to make point about Poseidon, pollution, and corruption — twice.) Chumley was apparently parroting what someone with money and a pecuniary interest had told him about MWDOC. And he ends up slamming and threatening two exceptionally good council members — both OJB endorsees, perhaps not incidentally — to make his point. Vern takes him on regarding both MWDOC and Brandman, and Chumley blathers on MWDOC and makes some interesting claims about Brandman — which, having some experience with taking depositions and confronting dubious witness testimony, led to the retort below.
#9 Anonymous Dope Deals in Defamation
This one is especially interesting to me, because my response to someone anonymous dork challenging my understanding of DUIs — sort of important career-wise — wasn’t published. The second paragraph is filled with false assertions that I’m not bothering to rebut here — if I give Chumley a take-down notice it will be by mail, and if he doesn’t then Plan B is delicious — because … and this far down I think I can raise the rating of this post from PG to R — the matter at hand is about Jordan Brandman’s issuing a hollow non-apology, through Chumley’s site, for texting a startled and upset soon-to-be ex-friend that a Councilwoman he served with was an “unfuckingbelievable cunt” and that he would do what his mother often pledged to do to other women and “rip her tits off.” Chumley would like us to think about anything other than that — and he’s willing to hypocritically defuse to print criticisms of his wrong-headed complicity in order to ensure that we don’t.
And the question is no longer merely “what should be done with Brandman?”, but “what should be done with eager mouthpiece for Democratic corruption and unaccountability Mr. Chumley?” There’s nothing illegal about being a repulsive, disingenuous, bigot-protecting asshole — but shaming is within our means.
Dan Chmielewski is as welcome to comment here as I am unwelcome there — and I take some pleasure in his apparently finding me frightening beyond even his able interlocutor Vern — but he’s not welcome to keep lying about it.
If I can attempt to shorten and simplify this, do I have this right:
Since a few of Dan’s 100 or so comments about April 2 Twittergate show that he knows perfectly well what happened and that I didn’t write or send any objectionable tweets, the other 90-something of his comments in which he pretends I DID are defamatory.
There’s more though. He made fun of Ms Chance’s notion that he’d violated Hipaa by bloviating endlessly about my alleged drinking. But he and others did apparently violate that law, the first time and hundreds of time since that he claimed I gave Donna a black eye back in 2014 or so.
For the record, she didn’t get that black eye from me or anybody else, and Lorri Galloway, who was her counsellor at the time, knows how she got it. But still, Dan claimed that “somebody at the Eli Home” told him it was me. Either that was a Dan lie, or somebody at Eli Home (maybe Lorri herself, who was mad that year because neither Donna or I were supporting her for Mayor) BOTH LIED and violated HIPAA, if that’s possible.
It’s probably about time that we do something about this tireless slanderer and his army of sock puppets. Think what a service we’d be doing this county if we put that cesspool of a blog out of business!
What next, counsellor?
I assure, there is no “army.” There’s just a delusional, semi-literate hate-filled dumbass, some asshole named John Mardahl and maybe one or two others. They all bear the mark of the Twisted Cretin.
ChemicalLewinsky is a walking, talking wank. That is all.
With a defense like that Greg, Who needs enemies. I gather from your assertions that Verns wife, NOT Vern sent the sexually explicit message. So why the drama and innuendo? Just admit it and move on. Fuck.
Vern sent a message or tweet (I can’t recall which offhand) to the person whom he thought that Donna was about to. She instead had someone else in mind, and used his account (which I’m guessing was available on his phone) to send a bunch of tweets to keep her away from him.
That doesn’t make me Vern’s enemy — nor Donna’s, though I wish she hadn’t done that for multiple reasons. The drama was already here; I don’t know what innuendo you mean. Admit what?
As for moving on, this piece is about how Chumley is extremely cowardly for a character assassin. I had things I wanted to say on his blog; I couldn’t post there, so I posted them here. I think that it’s good for people to know the cowardly way her operated. But you too are here calling “squirrel!”
My the way, reply to my message when you get it so that I know that you’re real. I suspect you aren’t.
Maybe Dan’s problem is not with Vern but a really fucked up need for Jordan’s (and Larry Agran’s) loving.
Diaz lacks command of the English language and the fact that he has NEVER BEEN TO BALL AND THE 57 SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT HIM.
What an utter fool
Heh-heh, Dan is a Sun-Skid.
Since there are too many comments already on our original Jordan text-piece, I’m gonna use this space to put up a couple of really good videos of citizen speeches from the last Council meeting.
This first Jeanine Robbins one is not only masterful, but also remarkable for Mayor Sidhu’s reaction – he pulls out the laminated anti-hate-speech statement that was originally intended for Fitzgerald’s worse moments. What? Jeanine hadn’t said anything bad. Later, some of us thought this was Harry’s knee-jerk reaction to hearing her say: “Jordan, everytime you get attacked you blame it on being gay or Jewish, but nobody cares about those things…” How ironic that our reaction to these people’s hate speech sounds like hate speech to them:
There were a lot of other good speeches too, but I put together Matthew Mariscal’s and Wesley Jones’ as they listed a lot of other Jordan misdeeds over the years, and strongly called for his recall. (BTW, I know you’ve been hearing this forever, but we’re getting our signatures starting THIS Monday July 5, and aiming to finish in July.)
wink 😉
And there you go again with the Jew FAG thing.
You guys are pigs.
Every now and then, we let one of these psychotic anonymous comments in.
What the HELL are these people raving about?
When are you guys going to learn to just simply ignore the irvine troll?
As I’ve learned, Paul, leaving lies and distortions up uncontroverted can create problems down the line. Look at how poor Tito Watch fell for them.
Your way would be ideal for responding to most people, but not with a ham-head.
Plus I don’t remember Paul ignoring the troll when the troll was going after Paul.
I know, any moment now, Zenger will remind us “not to touch the green toad.”
Over time I found it to be the best policy to just simply ignore the irvine troll. He has literally zero friends or people who like him or even take him seriously. He’s exactly like trump in that every association he has with any other human being is 100% transactional.
Some fools will simply use him for some sort of digital puxels for what ever message they want to get across or promote their candidacy etc. but no one actually likes the irvine troll. They are under the mistaken assumption that people read his blog and take heed from it or take it seriously.
The irvine troll is pure poison. Just completely toxic on all levels. I bet he doessmt even know that when ever he attempts to do a hatchet job on someone, that it only serves to engender those who consume his screeds to the target of his hackery.
Every time he attacks someone that person gets calls and texts from everyone else talking about how much they hate that troll. Hes so toxic his efforts have the opposite effect of his aim. So i just fund jt best to ignore him and his toxicity.
Again, the recent experience with the now-apparently secluded (yet unapologetic) Tito Watcher has changed my mind about that. Usually, I use him as a foil, but the less people know him the less they know not to believe a thing he says: unless it’s someone whose purposes he serves, like Agran or Sdao.
Vern, on the recall petitions. Where will you be gathering signatures and when?
Write me at vernpnelson@gmail.com
The toad is pink.
By the way I wonder what’s happening with Matt’s blog – pretty soon it’ll be a month since his last post. No new comments either. Maybe his contract with the Chamber has come to an end?
I know I haven’t been able to post lately even though I have a lot of stories I’m dying to write. It’s because I’ve been doing the Jordan Recall nearly full time.
Maybe the kleptos finally realized the non-existent value Jerb brings to wordsmith hackery.
His blog had been of some value to me at least, to signal what the kleptos would be trying, and saying, next.
Yeah, I always wondered if Todd Ament was smart enough to know Jerb was telegraphing the Klepto moves. Well, I really didn’t wonder. If you’re willing to employ a mourning Mexican mocker you’ll do any stupid thing that that pops into your noggin.
Although Todd tells Harry what to do, there’s no way he doesn’t get orders from above – Flint, Pringle, Disney. Todd is a lunkhead.
True. Just a pass-through.
Any fun video from last night? DId our Boy take it like a Man?
He did pretty much sit there stoically, even with Denise and Cynthia raking him over the coals. I think he might have taken some kind of tranquilizer. We’ve noticed he doesn’t drive any more, he was dropped off at last night’s meeting AND at today’s State of the City.
Lots of video coming up, I’m just finishing up Fred’s great speech about breast cancer and the t*t-ripping texts, and then I’ll have a little medley of Donna, Batiste and Cynthia on the texts.
A couple of other good videos from last night having nothing to do with Jordan, too – Larry Larsen on Steve Faessel sending the police to his house for no reason, and His Nibs’ owner Elias Moussa on the similarities between Sidhu’s Anaheim and the corrupt dictatorship he fled from in Syria. Good stuff!
You don’t drive anymore. Six DUIs will do that and your wife says your drinking is bad
Oh but you’re wrong. I drive everywhere. Drove to Council and back.
I don’t always drink, my friend, but when I do, my wife drives. I am the most interesting man in the world.
The sad thing in the distraction war is that Brandman is actually an elected representative and is responsible to the public for HIS misdeeds, regardless of what anybody else has (ever) done. It’s pretty disgraceful, but par for the course for ChemicalLewinski and his little tribe of psychopaths.
From one view Howdy looks like some of the strings got cut. Slump.
Fred Sigala Jr gives the reaction of a husband of a breast cancer survivor. Fred will probably be running as a replacement candidate, if we get enough signatures by Oct. 5.
Also Tuesday, three of Anaheim’s greatest citizens (Donna Acevedo-Nelson, Kenneth Batiste and Cynthia Ward) focused on Jordan’s cringeworthy use of the C-Word to describe his colleague Denise Barnes. Kenneth especially was on fire!
KB really lit the place up. It would be fun to see some images of Howdy during these philippics.
If we had an open thread, I’d put this there, but this is more from that Anaheim 7/13 meeting…
Yeah, this happened. For no reason, Councilman Steven Faessel asked the Anaheim Police to bang on Larry’s door the night of July 2 (supposedly because Steve was afraid Scary Larry might make some kind of scene at the Anaheim Hills July 4 parade.) In the height of irony (or not?) when Larry went to complain to the Council about this misuse of the police, Mayor Sidhu threatened him, “I will have MY POLICE remove you from the Chambers!” You can hear that here. These crypto-fascists really DO think the Anaheim police are their private guard!
Also from the July 13 meeting:
What is going on with Anaheim Councilman Avelino Valencia? Till now he has generally been an unquestioning member of the klepto majority on the Anaheim Council (as we suspected during the campaign), but on July 13th he suddenly questioned the Angel Stadium Heist, and he sounded like Dr. Moreno! He agendized a discussion on that matter for July 20, and got a second from a confused Jose Diaz and an enthusiastic Moreno. Let’s see how that goes…
I’m reminded that Avelino’s old boss Daly was against the Stadium Heist, for all the right reasons AND UNCHARACTERISTICALLY. I wrote recently, “It’s unclear when and why some of these klepto politicians are ALLOWED to use their brains and consciences.”
We learned from Mike Lyster that as of a few days ago, the Council was STILL hoping to keep this discussion in CLOSED SESSION – lol, when the biggest complaint is their secrecy. Whatever the outcome and Avelino’s motivation, it’ll be worthwhile to have this shit dragged out into public – it’s already helping with our recall effort!