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Guest post by our friend Fullerton Parks-and-Rec Commissioner and former Council candidate Barry Levinson:
Attached is a copy of the spreadsheet I handed out during Agenda Item No. 7 – Brea Dam Recreation Area at the March 14 Parks and Rec Commission meeting. It provides proof that the Management Agreement deal we entered into with American Golf in December 2010 will cost the taxpayers between…
4 MILLION to 5 MILLION dollars in lost net revenue (think net income) over 20 years, over the lease contract already in place.
This raises serious questions about how the Park and Recreation Department has been managed and calls into question our city leadership all the way up to the City Manager. It is now time for the City to answer questions honestly and with much specificity. Please click this link and review the spreadsheet carefully.
Note that there was no discussion about this handout except for my own description and summary of it. With the exception of Commissioner Silva, who reluctantly spoke out of order and after the proceedings were over and his vote was cast, and myself, all other Commissioners present voted to Receive and File my document and the attached presentation of the department. Yes, we have major problems with our City Government.
Denial, Denial, then Receive and File.
Ms. Gretchen Cox (above) appointed by Mayor Jennifer Fitzgerald, attempted to have this Received and Filed without any discussion from the department, the public or any members of the commission.
WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD OFFICIALS GONE?
ARE THEY TOO BUSY PATTING THEMSELVES ON THE BACK TO DO THEIR JOBS?
ARE THEY TOO BUSY AND SELF-ABSORBED HANDING OUT AWARDS, PROCLAMATIONS, TOUTING LOVE FULLERTON DAY OR FPD OPEN HOUSE DAY?
ARE THEY TOO CORRUPT TO DO THEIR JOBS?
ARE THEY TOO COWARDLY TO DO THEIR JOBS?
ARE THEY TOO ABSORBED WITH THEIR OWN SELF-INTEREST TO DO THEIR JOBS?
DO THEY JUST NOT GIVE A DARN ABOUT THE PEOPLE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT AND FOR WHOM THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY?
WHERE ARE ALL THE BRAVE CITIZENS WHOSE ANCESTORS SHED BLOOD AND TEARS FOR THIS COUNTRY?
WHY DO SO MANY CITIZENS IGNORE THE PROBLEMS CREATED AND IGNORED BY OUR GOVERNMENT TODAY?
WAKE UP FULLERTON!
WAKE UP CALIFORNIA!
WAKE UP AMERICA!
Barry, I’m not getting the role of the bond in these two scenarios.
Is the City proposing a new revenue bond in the case that it ends the existing lease, or what?
Please elaborate on that 45% federal rebate and how that works.
Thanks.
What was the alternative to “receive and file”?
Agendize for formal discussion.
He get a second?
Nope. Everybody else just wanted to bury this thing and forget about it.
Hey BARRY, you should be here explaining yourself.
You talk to the commissioners, Vern?
David, the Recovery Zone Economic Development (RZED) Bond issue paid for the new irrigation system for the Fullerton Golf Course. The bond was a 20-year bond starting in 2010. The city requested the bond from the federal government and then looked for uses for that money after the fact (approx. $2.7 million). At the time we had an existing and ongoing straight forward lease agreement with American Golf Corporation who did run and still runs the Fullerton Golf Course. The city received a percentage of the gross revenue of the golfing receipts and in addition received smaller amounts based on a percentage of sales from food and accessories as well. At that time (before Management Agreement) all repairs and maintenance, etc. were the responsibility of American Golf Corporation. When we exchanged the Lease Agreement for the Management Agreement practically all expenses for running the golf course were transferred from American Golf to the taxpayers of Fullerton. The city voluntarily switched from the lease to the Management Agreement. The reasoning given by Ms. Alice Loya was that in order for the bond funds to be used for the golf course, the city had to change the arrangement with American Golf from a lease to a management agreement. But Ms. Loya stated to council that it was a good deal and showed that in the first year of the changeover in fact the city would net more than a 100K under the terms of the new arrangement vs. the old lease arrangement. Unfortunately, for the taxpayers of Fullerton, Ms. Loya’s presentation as I have shown had significant errors/misstatements in it.
Part of the bond deal as presented to council was that the city could get a 45% rebate from the federal government on the total interest cost of the bond. The federal taxpayers are on the hook basically for the 45% (in the form of lost bond revenue) but the Fullerton taxpayers are only on the hook for 55% of it (100% – 45%). Therefore in preparing my spreadsheet I reduced the City’s cost (i.e. the Fullerton taxpayer’s cost) by that 45%. I have made it known to my Park and Recreation Committee members, Park and Recreation Department management and to the Fullerton City Council that besides the information I have already made public, I am willing to sit down and discuss any and all aspects of this issue. To date no one has asked me a question about my presentation, even though I first presented this in public on March 14, 2016 at the last Park and Recreation Committee meeting and then a shortened version (3 minute public comments) before Fullerton city council on March 15,2016. I also for the record asked that the spreadsheet and the page of the Management Agreement that clearly spells out that the Management Agreement Fee starts at $670,000 a year (not the $500,000 that Ms. Loya presented to council during her presentation and recommendation of the Management Agreement in November 2, 2010) be included officially in the Park and Recreation minutes for that meeting. No one at that time objected to that request and therefore hopefully the Park and Recreation Department with the approval I suspect of City Manager Joe Felz will do the right thing.
Any elected or appointed city official will always make better decisions with more not less information. It is troubling that basically those in City of Fullerton Government have showed no interest/concern on this important issue. An objective, rational human being would conclude that the city would like to bury this issue. They certainly did not discuss it at the Park and Recreation Committee meeting (3/14/16), or at the Fullerton Council meeting (3/15/16).
Alright, so knowing what you know, what do you want to do about it?
Other than rationalize why no one wants to listen to you.
So, Barry, to synopsize:
Staff misunderstood/misstated the annualized cost of the bond that they claim necessitates the move to a management contract, paying for improvements that otherwise would have been the responsibility of the leaseholder.
The “bond” is underwritten by the Feds who generously waive 45% of the running costs to help stim-u-late local economies.
Is that about right?
Yes but you left out a few extremely important points David.
1. You did not mention the Management Fee was actually $670,000 a year to start not the $500,000 reported by Ms. Loya to the Fullerton City Council on November 2, 2010. You also did not mention that she failed to provide to the council the true and higher cost of the bond issue over its 20 year life.
2. You did not mention that Ms. Loya misstated the cost of the Management Fee and the cost of the bond to the city (i.e. the taxpayers) more than five years later in a presentation I asked for during the January 2016 Park and Recreation Committee Meeting. I have a copy (more than one actually for safekeeping) of that powerpoint presentation as proof of the continued misstatement of the Management Fee amount over five years after the contract was signed by the city with American Golf Corporation. It is extremely hard for Ms. Alice Loya to make the claim that she was misinformed five years after the fact. However, Ms. Loya and her boss, Director Hugo Curiel and his boss City Manager Joe Felz who signed the contract for the Management Agreement for the city in December 2010 have all remained totally silent as has every committee member and every city council member. These facts should and does make all who have remained silent at City Hall look very bad in my humble opinion. Why would all of the above mentioned city leaders run away from dealing with this issue? As I like to state, I report, you decide.
By the way there is not one scintilla of rationalization in my presentation….just the facts and my sincere efforts to try to understand the silence of our city government to date.
I want the city government and the city council to investigate this thoroughly and openly, which would mean a totally independent and transparent auditing of this issue. I would expect that the city would then hold those involved in any wrongdoing or gross negligence accountable for their actions. The citizens of Fullerton can no longer afford these kinds of mistakes/misstatements or worse to continue at city hall with regard to any ongoing city business.
I would be glad to head or be a part of an independent review of this issue as an unpaid volunteer. The loss of approximately $5 million dollars of taxpayer money over the course of the 20 year life of the bond, 2010 to 2030 is a really big deal.
David I would like to thank you for your sincere interest in learning more about this troubling story. My goal from the very start was and still is to uncover the truth and then work to make things right going forward. Changes in how the city conducts business and holding those accountable for any misdeeds must be part of that process.
So you want an investigation and employees disciplined– that’s what you’re asking for?
It sounds like he just wants (at least) an acknowledgment of what he has offered – instead of silence.
So, like, “Hey, yes, he’s right. We made a bad bet.” From city staff?
It wouldn’t need to be in so many words, a factually accurate audit would accomplish much the same thing. I would also like to see a performance review for the City Manager who is up to his eyeballs in negotiating these deals, if you take my meaning.
It’d be helpful if he actually asked for that. Nicely. Honestly I’d recommend another step, like “3rd party review of all contracts with a NPV $5MM”, but I don’t know what’s already in place. Putting a call to action on future performance improvement is something everyone understands. PV of bond rates isn’t.
(Perhaps he did ask, I dunno.)
I believe our city manager had a PR last year. I don’t know if that qualifies as a record you can pull.
I don’t necessarily see the point of putting Mr. Levinson on the defensive for trying to expose more daylight on this issue for a wider audience. Anaheim had its own recent version of this with the Tennis Center (park & rec funds used for rehab and upgrade, above original scope, for benefit of a private operator)-
http://voiceofoc.org/2016/03/anaheim-tennis-center-project-moves-forward-despite-mayors-disapproval/
Math literacy and critical thinking are nearly extinct skills on a growing number of City Councils, where staff and interested parties have found that stripping context, alternate choices, and financing information speeds project passage when “OOOOO, shiny new project !” and “OOOO, jobs !” are seen, (and drum-beaten !) but alternates and consequences are not. While Fullerton has a better (?) record than Anaheim of responding via recalls, stupidity and short-sightedness remain perfectly legal, and unless elected positions in an upcoming election are involved, are of little or no threat to their practitioners so long as they are TOLERATED. Another force emptying California of the intelligent and aware members of the Middle Class.
Who’s attacking him for doing his job?
Perhaps no one, a summation (before the clarifying responses (after mine)from both you and Mr. Levinson) of a comment as “rationalizing why no one wants to listen to you” would probably put me on the defensive, perhaps that’s just me. The later posts perhaps changed my perspective on my intro, but not the rest, Re: Anaheim Tennis, etc. Bye now.
Alright, fair enough.
WHY DO SO MANY CITIZENS IGNORE THE PROBLEMS CREATED AND IGNORED BY OUR GOVERNMENT TODAY?
WAKE UP FULLERTON!
WAKE UP CALIFORNIA!
WAKE UP AMERICA!
That sure sounds like musings concerning why no one is listening. Am I wrong?
You appear to be attacking me Mr. Cantor. Remember when I was reporting on something and you got very angry with me and you called me on Facebook an Axx Hole. Please do not deny it because I have the proof to back it up.
Also do not try to misrepresent yourself to the readership hear sir. You are not an objective voice but one who has a real bias against me. You have already tried to take this very serious issue, which I have uncovered with facts and countless hours of work to present it in a clear, detailed fashion and then state the following: “Alright, so knowing what you know, what do you want to do about it? Other than rationalize why no one wants to listen to you.” Wow is that a total non-sequitur. I am presenting fact after fact in great detail and you can only state that I am rationalizing. Even you Mr. Cantor can do better than that sir.
You have also questioned Mr. Nelson for speaking with me as follows: “You talk to the commissioners, Vern?”
It seems clear to me and it should to others as well that your purpose for your comments is not to further the truth but to try to distract the readers from the truth. Not something that someone who is interested in learning the truth would do but yet this is exactly what you are doing sir. In fact you are doing exactly what the city council and the Park and Recreation Committee members did, which is to totally ignore the facts. Question:” Why are you doing that Mr. Cantor?
Barry,
I’m not attacking you. That’s pretty obvious.
And to be clear, I suggested you ought to stop acting like an asshole.
That good advice still stands.
You’ve presented information and I’m asking what you want to do with the information . . . that’s a pretty basic follow up.
Anyone else? Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe asking what you want to do next is too politically charged. I’ve been wrong before!
Attacking him? You and Zenger sound like you’re conducting a direct examination!
(And y’all got away with a few leading questions there.)
I like you, Mr. Cantor! You are not alone with your thoughts and messages.
Also, I asked Vern if he talked to the OTHER commissioners, who’s opinion he represented in the attached response.
I think you might be projecting a bit on the bias issue, Barry.
Relax.
Mr. Cantor you are currently President of the Fullerton Library Board of Trustees. A public library, which is a symbol of accumulated knowledge. A place where rich or poor can come and discover a whole new world outside of their small neighborhood.
And how do you act as President of this terrific place, you go into the gutter and repeatedly call people names. Your actions are the antithesis of what someone who represents an institution of learning should ever do or say. You really should be ashamed of yourself.
Actually, I’m not. Keep up.
You’re welcome to hold yourself upon whatever pedestal you’d like, Barry. The opinion of who is an who is not dipping into the gutter in Fullerton isn’t going to change based on any truth or lie you tell.
In any case, I’m gratified to see you’ve ducked basic questions, repeatedly, in favor of getting personal. Two years ago, I’d have said you’re better than that. I’m sad to see things have changed.
To the point at hand, I have absolutely no idea what your call to action is as a result of your analysis. Based on conversations I’ve had in the past three weeks, no one else does either.
You can either be an advocate for positive change or you can be a bitter old man who brings up perceived online insults from TWO YEARS ago, but you certainly can’t be both.
I seriously hope the Barry Levinson from 2011, the same who protected children and returned a skate park to his city, makes a return to Fullerton soon.
The shouting shadow who’s replaced him mocks a good man’s legacy.
For that Mr. Levinson, I’m ashamed.
Ryan Cantor spoken like a true Fullerton city government public relations insider. Whenever someone attacks someone and ignores what was presented, you can bet that the person is not being straight forward with the audience.
I am the same person fighting for honest, transparent government against the forces of crony capitalism, special interest influence and those who waste our hard earned taxpayer dollars. I am the same person who questioned why we are using parts of our public parks for commercial wireless cell towers. Not one other person on the Park and Recreation Committee had any problem with this arrangement. In fact I was attacked by a fellow committee member when I had the audacity to ask to see the contract that we were supposed to recommend for approval to the council. Guess what I finally found out from the Director of Parks and Recreation that at that time there was no proposed contract specifically between the city and the cell tower provider that we were being asked to approve. Would you not say that it is hard to approve something that does not exist? The only thing I am guilty of is looking out for the best interests of the people of Fullerton and not being a rubber stamp for the city government leadership.
You still have not dealt with my factual, detailed and totally supported analysis of the Management Agreement between the city and American Golf Corporation and the associated RZED Bond Issue. You attack the messenger when the facts presented make those in power to uncomfortable. Maybe you have not even read my analysis let alone considered it. Why are you so sure that my presentation has absolutely no merit? I guess my 40 years of experience as an auditor working for the public sector, the private sector and for one of the largest CPA firms in the world gives me no expertise to analysis numbers.
You try to dismiss me but it is you that seem to be totally dismissing the facts. Again spoken like the true Fullerton City Government insider. Public servants serve and protect the public. It seems you are protecting something very different.
Let’s try this one more time.
Barry, with this information in mind, what do you want to do with it!
Fourth time, son. It ain’t hard.
What I want to know is does this alleged $5 million shortfall indicate incompetence or corruption?
I’d suggest those aren’t the only two possibilities.
I already answered that question Ryan above. I will copy it word for word from above as follows:
“I want the city government and the city council to investigate this thoroughly and openly, which would mean a totally independent and transparent auditing of this issue. I would expect that the city would then hold those involved in any wrongdoing or gross negligence accountable for their actions. The citizens of Fullerton can no longer afford these kinds of mistakes/misstatements or worse to continue at city hall with regard to any ongoing city business.
I would be glad to head or be a part of an independent review of this issue as an unpaid volunteer. The loss of approximately $5 million dollars of taxpayer money over the course of the 20 year life of the bond, 2010 to 2030 is a really big deal.”
So to the OC Juice Blog audience I ask, why do you think Ryan Cantor continues to ask a question that has already been answered by me? Why do you think he tries so hard to belittle me for not responding when in fact I have responded directly and fully? Can all these false statements by Ryan Cantor be all innocent mistakes on his part? I ask the good readers of the OC Juice blog to answer those questions for themselves.
By the way Ryan, I am not your “son”, I am not “a bitter old man”, I am not “the shouting shadow” and I am not an “axx hole”.
Ryan Cantor you have quite the temper and dirty mouth. In my humble opinion not the sort of example the Chair of the Fullerton Library Board of Trustees should exhibit, especially in public.
Also you have still not provided one scintilla of information to discredit anything I have presented about the $4 to $5 million dollars of lost net revenue to the city based on this Management Agreement deal and the associated Bond issue. Below in your own words, you double down by stating as follows “based on conversations I’ve had in the past three weeks, no one else does either.” – Referring to the $4 to $5 million dollars of lost net revenue.
It is you Ryan Cantor who does not respond to legitimate and very fair questions while falsely claiming that I have not been responsive. Your diatribe here can be summed up as consisting mainly of childish name-calling and false statements. In fact all you have been doing is playing defense for Fullerton City Hall.
All I can say to the readership is that I am very sad that there are people, such as Ryan Cantor in our city that resort to these less than admirable tactics. By the way, you are the Chair of the Fullerton Library Board of Trustees. I misspoke when I said in an earlier statement that you are the President of the Fullerton Library Board of Trustees, but your response was less than forthcoming. Here is the exchange from above as follows:
Barry Levinson
Posted April 1, 2016 at 11:05 PM
Mr. Cantor you are currently President of the Fullerton Library Board of Trustees. A public library, which is a symbol of accumulated knowledge and a place where rich or poor can come and discover a whole new world outside of their small neighborhood.
And how do you act as President of this terrific place, you go into the gutter and repeatedly call people names. Your actions are the antithesis of what someone who represents an institution of learning should ever do or say. You really should be ashamed of yourself.
Reply Ryan Cantor Posted April 1, 2016 at 11:28 PM Actually, I’m not. Keep up. You’re welcome to hold yourself upon whatever pedestal you’d like, Barry. The opinion of who is and who is not dipping into the gutter in Fullerton isn’t going to change based on any truth or lie you tell.
In any case, I’m gratified to see you’ve ducked basic questions, repeatedly, in favor of getting personal. Two years ago, I’d have said you’re better than that. I’m sad to see things have changed.
To the point at hand, I have absolutely no idea what your call to action is as a result of your analysis. Based on conversations I’ve had in the past three weeks, no one else does either. (Levinson question: With whom did you have conversations with over the past three weeks Ryan Cantor.)
You can either be an advocate for positive change or you can be a bitter old man who brings up perceived online insults from TWO YEARS ago, but you certainly can’t be both.
I seriously hope the Barry Levinson from 2011, the same who protected children and returned a skate park to his city, makes a return to Fullerton soon.
The shouting shadow who’s replaced him mocks a good man’s legacy.
For that Mr. Levinson, I’m ashamed.
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I report, you decide
You really need to relax. Seriously.
As before:
Ryan Cantor
Posted March 31, 2016 at 12:23 PM
So you want an investigation and employees disciplined– that’s what you’re asking for?
Reply
David Zenger
Posted March 31, 2016 at 1:49 PM
It sounds like he just wants (at least) an acknowledgment of what he has offered – instead of silence.
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Ryan Cantor
Posted March 31, 2016 at 2:29 PM
So, like, “Hey, yes, he’s right. We made a bad bet.” From city staff?
Your call to action isn’t exactly clear. Dave is pretty damn smart, so maybe he’s got it right.
Are you asking for acknowledgement of your findings or something more?
Take a deep breath before you reply. No one is after your hide here.
It’s a safe space. For you at least.
And I was the President for the last two years. We have new officers as of last month.
I am still waiting for Ryan Cantor to respond with substance to my very well documented and accurate analysis above.
Instead he chooses to continue to act immaturely with name calling and making wild unsubstantiated claims that I do not know what I am talking about. Furthermore, he claims that he has talked to nameless others that agree with him? Agree with you on what sir? They agree with your name calling. They agree with your non-assessment of any of the facts. Who are these so-called nameless people?
If your claims had any validity a smart man like yourself should be able to shred my analysis, yet you choose not to go there. Why? The answer is simple. You choose not to go there because you know that my facts are indeed correct.
Question to the OC Juice Blog readership: What is the motivation for Ryan Cantor’s actions? Is he protecting his friends at Fullerton City Hall?
I report, you decide.
*Barry…..good job trying to do the right thing. But – What you failed to do was “out” “the denial” – which is not a river in Egypt. Redevelopment……Yes, say the magic word and the Duck comes down and gives you a $100 dollars says Groucho! OK, RC and DZ are wonderful guys with egos bigger that Mount Rushmore. Just stay the course – keep inquiring and certainly do not take their insults with any concern for their status or so-called authority. Redevelopment Rip-Offs 102, seems to be exactly what you are talking about – of course stated under another name you could call it merely – Obfuscation 101…..
Read again. I never insulted Barry. I just asked for some elucidation about the bond about which I knew nothing.
That is all; you may return to sleep mode.
Hey, Barry, I AM responding (you nutter.)
That’s the problem: You don’t call for any action. You’ve just laid the information down then given all of us a perplexed look.
Again, are you simply asking for acknowledgement or are you looking to discipline someone?
For crying out loud man, take the foil hat off. No one is out to get you.
My concern, along with others, is that we don’t know what you want. It is NOT that you don’t know what you’re talking about. However, after this wild exchange, I’m going to add reading comprehension to the list of potential concerns.
You lack a clear call to action. Fix it.
Further, I know you have some serious blinders on, but I don’t have friends at city hall.
I might not be reviled as you and Mr. Imbriano, but I’m certainly not well liked. Anyone paying any sort of attention knows this.
With that in mind, you might want to go back and reread this sad thread and strip your bias from your replies to some basic questions.
Ryan Cantor’s response is that I am “a nutter” and I am wearing a “foil hat”.
I have given you opportunity after opportunity for you to engage in an adult conversation on the very troubling and disturbed information I have disclosed here as well as at Parks and Recreation Committee and at Fullerton City Council.
You obviously as a Fullerton resident and as a member of the Fullerton Library Board of Trustees are not concerned with 4 to 5 million dollars that will be wasted without swift action by our Fullerton City Council and by our City Manager, Joe Felz (who played a big role getting us into this mess). The very sad thing is that if the City Council and the City Manager took corrective action they could save the taxpayers several million dollars going forward with regard to the cost for the Fullerton Golf Course. Instead Ryan Cantor chooses to ignore this problem that was caused completely by actions taken by our city government due to either incompetence, mismanagement or something worse.
And what do you do with this golden opportunity to debate me based on the facts, you continue to insult me, now calling me crazy on top of all the other name calling you have thrown my way.
I believe I have done an extremely thorough job of discrediting you on this topic.
However, I must say bravo to you sir, for my efforts to demonstrate your failure to engage in any way to have a real and honest debate on this website, pale in comparison with the fantastic job you have done in discrediting yourself not only on this topic but on any future topic as well.
But since according to Ron and Anna Winship, your ego is bigger than Mount Rushmore, maybe in your own mind you will survive the self-inflicted damage you have caused to your credibility. Clearly, the people of Fullerton will not be so forgiving of your very apparent lack of concern for Fullerton taxpayer monies.
But if you feel the need to continue to dig deeper the huge hole you have placed yourself into, be my guest.
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Vern? Little help?
I’m not trying to debate you, genius.
I’m trying, in vain apparently, to get you to understand that YOUR CALL TO ACTION IS VAGUE AND WEAK.
Maybe capital letters will help. Morse Code next, perhaps?
Freaking finally.
“The very sad thing is that if the City Council and the City Manager took corrective action they could save the taxpayers several million dollars going forward with regard to the cost for the Fullerton Golf Course. “. You.
*******Give us a little more on what ” corrective action means. Ammend the contract? 3rd party review on land deals over $5MM? What exactly? ********
Don’t be shy or vague. You have a golden opportunity here. Don’t piss it all away because you get pissy at the drop of a hat.
Here it is my direct response on these pages for the third time over the course of many days for the ethically impaired Ryan Cantor.
Barry Levinson
Posted April 3, 2016 at 11:44 AM
I already answered that question Ryan above. I will copy it word for word from above as follows:
“I want the city government and the city council to investigate this thoroughly and openly, which would mean a totally independent and transparent auditing of this issue. I would expect that the city would then hold those involved in any wrongdoing or gross negligence accountable for their actions. The citizens of Fullerton can no longer afford these kinds of mistakes/misstatements or worse to continue at city hall with regard to any ongoing city business.
I would be glad to head or be a part of an independent review of this issue as an unpaid volunteer. The loss of approximately $5 million dollars of taxpayer money over the course of the 20 year life of the bond, 2010 to 2030 is a really big deal.”
So to the OC Juice Blog audience I ask, why do you think Ryan Cantor continues to ask a question that has already been answered by me? Why do you think he tries so hard to belittle me for not responding when in fact I have responded directly and fully? Can all these false statements by Ryan Cantor be all innocent mistakes on his part? I ask the good readers of the OC Juice blog to answer those questions for themselves.
By the way Ryan, I am not your “son”, I am not “a bitter old man”, I am not “the shouting shadow” and I am not an “axx hole”.
Ryan Cantor you have quite the temper and dirty mouth. In my humble opinion not the sort of example the Chair of the Fullerton Library Board of Trustees should exhibit, especially in public.
Also you have still not provided one scintilla of information to discredit anything I have presented about the $4 to $5 million dollars of lost net revenue to the city based on this Management Agreement deal and the associated Bond issue. Below in your own words, you double down by stating as follows “based on conversations I’ve had in the past three weeks, no one else does either.” – Referring to the $4 to $5 million dollars of lost net revenue.
It is you Ryan Cantor who does not respond to legitimate and very fair questions while falsely claiming that I have not been responsive. Your diatribe here can be summed up as consisting mainly of childish name-calling and false statements. In fact all you have been doing is playing defense for Fullerton City Hall.
You do understand that’s not an answer to the question?
Who am I kidding.
Anyway, you win Barry. I had supported you on this issue for weeks. I’ll abandon that for shits and giggles.
Cheers.
ALL RIGHT, NO MORE NAME CALLING ON EITHER SIDE OR I’M CLOSING THIS THREAD.
It sounds like Barry has answered the question of what he would like done in regards to this shortfall. “A totally independent and transparent auditing of this issue. I would expect that the city would then hold those involved in any wrongdoing or gross negligence accountable for their actions.”
And now Ryan is asking for “a little more on what ‘corrective action’ means. Amend the contract? 3rd party review on land deals over $5MM? What exactly?”
That sounds like a reasonable enough question. See if you two can continue without any name-calling, whether “shouting shadow axxhole” or “ethically challenged.”
Yeah, those are equivalent. Thanks, Dad.
In other words…quit acting like a skadouche bag.