Because my household is 80% Filipinas and 20% me, we subscribe to The Filipino Channel here in LA. They do a pretty good hour-long news show on U.S. news. For that show, they occasionally do polls. (They have a decent number of participants in each, though I can’t answer for the methodology.)
The results of the poll that they did last night — which was teased without the last line in yellow and then displayed in full after a commercial — cracked me up so much that I had to take a shot of the screen. Yeah, I’d say that that’s a pretty compelling result!
Probability of error by House Republicans: also close to 100%.
Note: I’m not (merely) posting this to make fun of Republicans, some of whom are my good friends. I am posting it so that they can beat on their Representatives with a hefty clue stick and stop the madness.
UPDATE: I can’t find out how many people are in the sample, but as some of their polls have percentage splits like 61%-39%, which you don’t get from having 12 or fewer, it seems likely that it’s more than a mere handful of people. Anyway, here’s the video of the report:
Somewhat verbose attorney, semi-disabled and semi-retired, residing in northwest Brea. Occasionally ran for office against jerks who otherwise would have gonr unopposed. Got 45% of the vote against Bob Huff for State Senate in 2012; Josh Newman then won the seat in 2016. In 2014 became the first attorney to challenge OCDA Tony Rackauckas since 2002; Todd Spitzer then won that seat in 2018. Every time he's run against some rotten incumbent, the *next* person to challenge them wins! He's OK with that.
Corrupt party hacks hate him. He's OK with that too.
He does advise some local campaigns informally and (so far) without compensation. (If that last bit changes, he will declare the interest.)
His daughter is a professional campaign treasurer. He doesn't usually know whom she and her firm represent. Whether they do so never influences his endorsements or coverage. (He does have his own strong opinions.) But when he does check campaign finance forms, he is often happily surprised to learn that good candidates he respects often DO hire her firm. (Maybe bad ones are scared off by his relationship with her, but they needn't be.)
Blame? I would credit them. I want to see a shutdown that is not ended until the Koch bros. ask Cruz to knock it off on national TV.
When the shutdown hits, all cuts must be directed at the freedumbs loving, limited government Red States, Defense contracts? Cancelled. Farm subsidies? suspended. Food stamps? stopped. Medicare? On hold. Medicaid. On hold. Border security? Ended.
Let the ones who support Cruz stew in their own heat,
Ohh the days of San Miguel and lumpia’s…..I was suffering a great personal loss, the day Pinatubo burst. Yet the thought of a fourteen year old virgin being auctioned that morning sent me back to CAL, led to an advanced degree a wife and as I like to say: A MORTGAGE AND A MINIVAN. Those days are long gone. Like Baja California, I would no sooner visit PI than I would Karachi.
Ohh those were the days, many San Diegan’s have fond memories of Subic, Clark and metro Makati . Like much of life something’s will need to remain memories. Bu, you reminded me of a great place and a great time in my life.
We have become spectators and turned our government in to a sporting event… we root for our team and our reps behave that way too. Its all about winning and dissing the opponent…meanwhile Rome burns…I say let it shut down and while we are at it — default. We are in over our heads with runaway spending…there is no end in sight…. our government is corrupt from the local to the federal… our tax money goes to the rich in other countries…feeds the war mongers…corporate welfare…its time to shut it down and start over… first kick the crooks (from all parties) out…
“its time to shut it down and start over… first kick the crooks (from all parties) out…”
That is a stupid statement.
Just what we need; liberals parroting the ignorant tea-party anarchist/nihilist meme.
We don’t like everything about the new health care plan. So yeah, let’s overthrow the government, have a revolution. Why let the Syrians have all the fun?
Think Inge, who stands to SUFFER the most?
I guarantee it won’t be Bill Gates, the Koch brothers, the Walton family or Warren Buffet.
Evolution is ALWAYS better than revolution. First we get/fight for Obamacare, then we work/fight for single payer.
the government is officially shut down. Oh no run for your lives! The parks and museum are closed! You know Congress will get their paychecks.
As for Obama Care…
Why DO government officials and their staff get an exemption if Obama Care is so great? Why did employers get a year extension but not individuals? Why did Obama change the law AFTER making it “the law of the land?” He sounds like a credit card company to me… “the terms of the credit are subject to change without notice.” Why doesn’t anyone ask that question to the commander in chief????
The next possible shut down is in 2 weeks… the default. Do any of you spend money you don’t have month after month? I don’t.
America is broke…bankrupt…and has been for a long time. if it weren’t for foreign countries loaning us money we would have felt the pain sooner. So what do we do? Obama wants to teach Syria a lesson. Can you imagine how much more the debt would be if that happened? And it still might.
If you think we can continue spending the way we are …by raising the debt ceiling over and over, you probably thought home values would continue to rise and refused to believe the bubble would finally burst in 2008. It did and it will again…only the next one will be much bigger than the housing bubble. Everyone will feel the pain.
If it makes you feel smarter call me stupid…sticks and stones…
The Repubs and Dems are the same team…they are only vying for power… they bow to the same corporations…forget we the people. Just wait until the TPPA passes…and you can thank Obama for that.
Just a few FACTS for you to mull over BEFORE you shoot your mouth off again;
1) “Why DO government officials and their staff get an exemption if Obama Care is so great? ”
Right-wing zombie myth.
From FactCheck.org;
“Republican Rep. Robert Pittenger is misleading his constituents by saying that he will decline the health insurance offered to members of Congress next year because it includes a “special subsidy” from the president that “exempted” Congress from the Affordable Care Act.
Congress isn’t “exempt” from the law. It wasn’t exempt back in 2010, when we first debunked such a claim; nor were lawmakers exempt in May when the bogus bit surfaced again. Three months later, they’re still not exempt. In fact, as we’ve said before, lawmakers and their staffs face additional requirements that other Americans don’t. And the “special subsidy” to which Pittenger refers is simply a premium contribution that his employer, the federal government, has long made to the health insurance policies of its workers.
[…]
Our readers may recall that before this provision was created, there were claims circulating that Congress was “exempt” from the law. This twisted reading of the legislation was based on the fact that originally Congress, like other Americans with work-based insurance or Americans on Medicare and Medicaid, wouldn’t be eligible for the exchanges. In other words, Congress was supposedly “exempt” when members couldn’t participate in the exchanges, and now that they are required to do so, they’re still somehow “exempt” from the law. Neither of these convoluted claims is true. [FactCheck.org, 8/30/13]”
2) “Why did employers get a year extension but not individuals?”
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the republicans are doing everything they can to derail the ACA. They were successful with the employer extension, that doesn’t mean all employers will use it. As for the individual extension, it’s not necessary. The ACA exchanges are in place, but the republicans are still demanding it be delayed.
3) ” Why did Obama change the law AFTER making it “the law of the land?”
Without specifics, it’s hard to know what you are referring to, but laws are often “changed” after the fact.
4) “Do any of you spend money you don’t have month after month? I don’t.”
Bad analogy, governments are not households, but Paul Krugman can explain this far better than me;
…”Deficit-worriers portray a future in which we’re impoverished by the need to pay back money we’ve been borrowing. They see America as being like a family that took out too large a mortgage, and will have a hard time making the monthly payments.
This is, however, a really bad analogy in at least two ways.
First, families have to pay back their debt. Governments don’t — all they need to do is ensure that debt grows more slowly than their tax base. The debt from World War II was never repaid; it just became increasingly irrelevant as the U.S. economy grew, and with it the income subject to taxation.
Second — and this is the point almost nobody seems to get — an over-borrowed family owes money to someone else; U.S. debt is, to a large extent, money we owe to ourselves.
This was clearly true of the debt incurred to win World War II. Taxpayers were on the hook for a debt that was significantly bigger, as a percentage of G.D.P., than debt today; but that debt was also owned by taxpayers, such as all the people who bought savings bonds. So the debt didn’t make postwar America poorer. In particular, the debt didn’t prevent the postwar generation from experiencing the biggest rise in incomes and living standards in our nation’s history.
But isn’t this time different? Not as much as you think.
It’s true that foreigners now hold large claims on the United States, including a fair amount of government debt. But every dollar’s worth of foreign claims on America is matched by 89 cents’ worth of U.S. claims on foreigners. And because foreigners tend to put their U.S. investments into safe, low-yield assets, America actually earns more from its assets abroad than it pays to foreign investors. If your image is of a nation that’s already deep in hock to the Chinese, you’ve been misinformed. Nor are we heading rapidly in that direction.”…
Bullshit, that is the simplistic and childish outlook of the uninformed.
The Democrats are far from perfect but compare their record on women’s rights, gay rights, minorities, the poor, the economy etc. to the Republicans, only an IDIOT would say they are the same.
Sticks and stones … ?
I call ’em as I see ’em and you madam, are an idiot.
She’s not always ill-tempered, nor is this post that extreme by OJB standards.
Let them hash this out. It’s an interesting face-off. Lots of people think as Inge does here — and anonster took some trouble to answer her. We know that Inge has a tough hide.
I stand behind my statements. Governments don’t have to pay back their debts??? Tell that to the Chinese and other countries…so by your statement you won’t have a problem when we default….
And by the way calling me names just makes you look bad… ever participate in a college debate??? If the only ammo you have to is to call names… is it to make your self feel better… about yourself???
The world no longer views America as great. We are seen as violent, arrogant, dumbasses, debtor nation who chooses to solve problems through violence and name calling… just like you… and who simply believes our own publicity. Stop watching mainstream news who are cheerleaders for their own political party. Try expanding your horizons Ms. Snarly. Read different points of view.
We live in a Corporatocracy whether you believe it or not. Both parties are their employees. And they love people like you… living in a fantasy world.
This is a free country or at least that’s what I’m told… so please…go ahead and live in your fantasy world… you will see what the real truth is before long… maybe you could apply for the job of finance minister or run a major bank. You couldn’t do any worse and you would get a nice bonus even if your fired.
You “stand behind your statements” even after they’ve been proven false and then you accuse me of “living in a fantasy world” LOL.
Also I didn’t just “resort” to name calling (in fact, my first comment didn’t call you names at all … reading comprehension issues maybe?), I’ve given you facts to disprove your assertions. The fact that you choose to believe whatever you’ve heard without fact-checking it, led me to call you an idiot. Sorry, but it is not my fault that you are making and sticking by false and stupid statements.
I never said that we don’t have to pay back our debts, but rather that running debt/deficits are not the catastrophic problem that you think they are. Defaulting on our debt would be catastrophic, why do YOU think it wouldn’t be?
I agree that we live in a “corporatacracy”, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t differences between the two parties. And it especially doesn’t mean that we should just throw in the towel and join the tea party.
You seem to think that throwing a tantrum and shutting down the government because everything isn’t perfect won’t have consequences. It will and the people who will be hurt the most are the poor and the working class. In fact, they already are being hurt. The Republicans don’t care, do you?
I always thought you were a progressive, caring person (who once in a while stuck her foot in her mouth, just like we all do), but now it seems you’re just as self-centered and myopic as the crazy right-wingers.
If you don’t get 100% of what YOU want, everyone and everything else can go to hell; burn it all down. Inge is unhappy and she doesn’t give a damn who gets hurt. Isn’t that your position?
No government is ever perfect, however accepting the right-wing lunatic fringe’s position will not get you to a more progressive government, but rather a more fascist/totalitarian one.
Think about who you are aligning yourself with. At least the Dems are trying to bring health care to people. What I find so funny and delusional about your position is why you think that the Dems could have gotten single payer passed? We barely got the subsidized exchanges through and it’s still an uphill battle. Our best bet is to hope that people will like the ACA and will want it to go even farther in the future.
Obviously Inge can’t be bothered to deal with facts and rational arguments.
How dare I expect anything but hysterical rants, after all this is a free country and she’s a free person and if she wants to make a shitload of phony statements and stick by them, by God that is her right! Harumph!
Demagogue
Posted October 3, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Don’t want to sound sappy, but, I’ve missed the Anonster.
Blame? I would credit them. I want to see a shutdown that is not ended until the Koch bros. ask Cruz to knock it off on national TV.
When the shutdown hits, all cuts must be directed at the freedumbs loving, limited government Red States, Defense contracts? Cancelled. Farm subsidies? suspended. Food stamps? stopped. Medicare? On hold. Medicaid. On hold. Border security? Ended.
Let the ones who support Cruz stew in their own heat,
Alas, Obama is a wimp.
Ohh the days of San Miguel and lumpia’s…..I was suffering a great personal loss, the day Pinatubo burst. Yet the thought of a fourteen year old virgin being auctioned that morning sent me back to CAL, led to an advanced degree a wife and as I like to say: A MORTGAGE AND A MINIVAN. Those days are long gone. Like Baja California, I would no sooner visit PI than I would Karachi.
Ohh those were the days, many San Diegan’s have fond memories of Subic, Clark and metro Makati . Like much of life something’s will need to remain memories. Bu, you reminded me of a great place and a great time in my life.
Am I happy to know this? I don’t think that I fully understand your point. I’m OK with that, too.
NAMELESS might be a modern day Gil Perez.
did somebody smoke some wacky tobaccy today???
We have become spectators and turned our government in to a sporting event… we root for our team and our reps behave that way too. Its all about winning and dissing the opponent…meanwhile Rome burns…I say let it shut down and while we are at it — default. We are in over our heads with runaway spending…there is no end in sight…. our government is corrupt from the local to the federal… our tax money goes to the rich in other countries…feeds the war mongers…corporate welfare…its time to shut it down and start over… first kick the crooks (from all parties) out…
from a Buddhist’s perspective…
http://www.buddhistpeacefellowship.org/dont-get-hooked-by-the-obamacare-debate/#comment-99815
“its time to shut it down and start over… first kick the crooks (from all parties) out…”
That is a stupid statement.
Just what we need; liberals parroting the ignorant tea-party anarchist/nihilist meme.
We don’t like everything about the new health care plan. So yeah, let’s overthrow the government, have a revolution. Why let the Syrians have all the fun?
Think Inge, who stands to SUFFER the most?
I guarantee it won’t be Bill Gates, the Koch brothers, the Walton family or Warren Buffet.
Evolution is ALWAYS better than revolution. First we get/fight for Obamacare, then we work/fight for single payer.
Yet, weren’t you recently advocating for the secession of Texas, right along with the Texas teabaggers who’d like to see that happen?
That said, I agree with you that Inge’s statement is absurd.
Like Obama’s symbolic vote against the debt ceiling, I only support Texass’ secession ‘cuz it ain’t really going to happen.
The shutdown and default really could.
the government is officially shut down. Oh no run for your lives! The parks and museum are closed! You know Congress will get their paychecks.
As for Obama Care…
Why DO government officials and their staff get an exemption if Obama Care is so great? Why did employers get a year extension but not individuals? Why did Obama change the law AFTER making it “the law of the land?” He sounds like a credit card company to me… “the terms of the credit are subject to change without notice.” Why doesn’t anyone ask that question to the commander in chief????
The next possible shut down is in 2 weeks… the default. Do any of you spend money you don’t have month after month? I don’t.
America is broke…bankrupt…and has been for a long time. if it weren’t for foreign countries loaning us money we would have felt the pain sooner. So what do we do? Obama wants to teach Syria a lesson. Can you imagine how much more the debt would be if that happened? And it still might.
If you think we can continue spending the way we are …by raising the debt ceiling over and over, you probably thought home values would continue to rise and refused to believe the bubble would finally burst in 2008. It did and it will again…only the next one will be much bigger than the housing bubble. Everyone will feel the pain.
If it makes you feel smarter call me stupid…sticks and stones…
The Repubs and Dems are the same team…they are only vying for power… they bow to the same corporations…forget we the people. Just wait until the TPPA passes…and you can thank Obama for that.
pay attention…. the crash is coming
Inge,
Just a few FACTS for you to mull over BEFORE you shoot your mouth off again;
1) “Why DO government officials and their staff get an exemption if Obama Care is so great? ”
Right-wing zombie myth.
From FactCheck.org;
“Republican Rep. Robert Pittenger is misleading his constituents by saying that he will decline the health insurance offered to members of Congress next year because it includes a “special subsidy” from the president that “exempted” Congress from the Affordable Care Act.
Congress isn’t “exempt” from the law. It wasn’t exempt back in 2010, when we first debunked such a claim; nor were lawmakers exempt in May when the bogus bit surfaced again. Three months later, they’re still not exempt. In fact, as we’ve said before, lawmakers and their staffs face additional requirements that other Americans don’t. And the “special subsidy” to which Pittenger refers is simply a premium contribution that his employer, the federal government, has long made to the health insurance policies of its workers.
[…]
Our readers may recall that before this provision was created, there were claims circulating that Congress was “exempt” from the law. This twisted reading of the legislation was based on the fact that originally Congress, like other Americans with work-based insurance or Americans on Medicare and Medicaid, wouldn’t be eligible for the exchanges. In other words, Congress was supposedly “exempt” when members couldn’t participate in the exchanges, and now that they are required to do so, they’re still somehow “exempt” from the law. Neither of these convoluted claims is true. [FactCheck.org, 8/30/13]”
2) “Why did employers get a year extension but not individuals?”
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the republicans are doing everything they can to derail the ACA. They were successful with the employer extension, that doesn’t mean all employers will use it. As for the individual extension, it’s not necessary. The ACA exchanges are in place, but the republicans are still demanding it be delayed.
3) ” Why did Obama change the law AFTER making it “the law of the land?”
Without specifics, it’s hard to know what you are referring to, but laws are often “changed” after the fact.
4) “Do any of you spend money you don’t have month after month? I don’t.”
Bad analogy, governments are not households, but Paul Krugman can explain this far better than me;
…”Deficit-worriers portray a future in which we’re impoverished by the need to pay back money we’ve been borrowing. They see America as being like a family that took out too large a mortgage, and will have a hard time making the monthly payments.
This is, however, a really bad analogy in at least two ways.
First, families have to pay back their debt. Governments don’t — all they need to do is ensure that debt grows more slowly than their tax base. The debt from World War II was never repaid; it just became increasingly irrelevant as the U.S. economy grew, and with it the income subject to taxation.
Second — and this is the point almost nobody seems to get — an over-borrowed family owes money to someone else; U.S. debt is, to a large extent, money we owe to ourselves.
This was clearly true of the debt incurred to win World War II. Taxpayers were on the hook for a debt that was significantly bigger, as a percentage of G.D.P., than debt today; but that debt was also owned by taxpayers, such as all the people who bought savings bonds. So the debt didn’t make postwar America poorer. In particular, the debt didn’t prevent the postwar generation from experiencing the biggest rise in incomes and living standards in our nation’s history.
But isn’t this time different? Not as much as you think.
It’s true that foreigners now hold large claims on the United States, including a fair amount of government debt. But every dollar’s worth of foreign claims on America is matched by 89 cents’ worth of U.S. claims on foreigners. And because foreigners tend to put their U.S. investments into safe, low-yield assets, America actually earns more from its assets abroad than it pays to foreign investors. If your image is of a nation that’s already deep in hock to the Chinese, you’ve been misinformed. Nor are we heading rapidly in that direction.”…
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opinion/krugman-nobody-understands-debt.html
5) “The Repubs and Dems are the same team”
Bullshit, that is the simplistic and childish outlook of the uninformed.
The Democrats are far from perfect but compare their record on women’s rights, gay rights, minorities, the poor, the economy etc. to the Republicans, only an IDIOT would say they are the same.
Sticks and stones … ?
I call ’em as I see ’em and you madam, are an idiot.
Thanks for all those facts, but need you always be so ill-tempered, anonster?
She’s not always ill-tempered, nor is this post that extreme by OJB standards.
Let them hash this out. It’s an interesting face-off. Lots of people think as Inge does here — and anonster took some trouble to answer her. We know that Inge has a tough hide.
Snarly,
I stand behind my statements. Governments don’t have to pay back their debts??? Tell that to the Chinese and other countries…so by your statement you won’t have a problem when we default….
And by the way calling me names just makes you look bad… ever participate in a college debate??? If the only ammo you have to is to call names… is it to make your self feel better… about yourself???
The world no longer views America as great. We are seen as violent, arrogant, dumbasses, debtor nation who chooses to solve problems through violence and name calling… just like you… and who simply believes our own publicity. Stop watching mainstream news who are cheerleaders for their own political party. Try expanding your horizons Ms. Snarly. Read different points of view.
We live in a Corporatocracy whether you believe it or not. Both parties are their employees. And they love people like you… living in a fantasy world.
This is a free country or at least that’s what I’m told… so please…go ahead and live in your fantasy world… you will see what the real truth is before long… maybe you could apply for the job of finance minister or run a major bank. You couldn’t do any worse and you would get a nice bonus even if your fired.
Inge,
You “stand behind your statements” even after they’ve been proven false and then you accuse me of “living in a fantasy world” LOL.
Also I didn’t just “resort” to name calling (in fact, my first comment didn’t call you names at all … reading comprehension issues maybe?), I’ve given you facts to disprove your assertions. The fact that you choose to believe whatever you’ve heard without fact-checking it, led me to call you an idiot. Sorry, but it is not my fault that you are making and sticking by false and stupid statements.
I never said that we don’t have to pay back our debts, but rather that running debt/deficits are not the catastrophic problem that you think they are. Defaulting on our debt would be catastrophic, why do YOU think it wouldn’t be?
I agree that we live in a “corporatacracy”, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t differences between the two parties. And it especially doesn’t mean that we should just throw in the towel and join the tea party.
You seem to think that throwing a tantrum and shutting down the government because everything isn’t perfect won’t have consequences. It will and the people who will be hurt the most are the poor and the working class. In fact, they already are being hurt. The Republicans don’t care, do you?
I always thought you were a progressive, caring person (who once in a while stuck her foot in her mouth, just like we all do), but now it seems you’re just as self-centered and myopic as the crazy right-wingers.
If you don’t get 100% of what YOU want, everyone and everything else can go to hell; burn it all down. Inge is unhappy and she doesn’t give a damn who gets hurt. Isn’t that your position?
No government is ever perfect, however accepting the right-wing lunatic fringe’s position will not get you to a more progressive government, but rather a more fascist/totalitarian one.
Think about who you are aligning yourself with. At least the Dems are trying to bring health care to people. What I find so funny and delusional about your position is why you think that the Dems could have gotten single payer passed? We barely got the subsidized exchanges through and it’s still an uphill battle. Our best bet is to hope that people will like the ACA and will want it to go even farther in the future.
A fair comment for you to put some thought into, Inge.
clearly Ms. Snarly… I touched a nerve.
yes…? Maybe cuz anonster has high expectations for you?
Inge,
“I touched a nerve” is that crazy and delusional speak for; I don’t ever have to think about or respond to the facts?
Vern, I could give a rats ass what anonster thinks… about anything and that’s my last word on this…I have moved on.
Obviously Inge can’t be bothered to deal with facts and rational arguments.
How dare I expect anything but hysterical rants, after all this is a free country and she’s a free person and if she wants to make a shitload of phony statements and stick by them, by God that is her right! Harumph!
Don’t want to sound sappy, but, I’ve missed the Anonster.
I was born snarly.
Let your snarl flag fly. I think that debate between you and Inge on this topic is a good thing.