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OC Weekly did not put this photo on its cover to scream for attention by digging its thumb into some of the horrific wounds to our national psyche, but to raise the entirely legitimate question of whether a smattering of public spaces named after some Prohibitionists who called themselves “KKK” without engaging in the horrible actions associated with that group means that Orange County — on THAT basis, and NOT because of skinheads or other current acts of bigotry — deserves to be referred to as “Ku Klux Kounty.” (Answer: No.)
My wife is not in the habit of bringing home copies of the OC Weekly to show me. As I recall, it has happened exactly twice — once last year, when an artist’s vision of my naked form was featured therein (and called to her attention by co-workers who were somewhere between amused, bemused, and confused), and then again this past week, when there was a orange-bearing freaking faux-Klansman featured on the cover and she wanted to know whether this meant that she and our (racial minority) girls had some serious trouble to worry about here in OC that I had somehow just perhaps failed to mention to her.
“No,” I told her, “they’re just trying to attract readers.”
She allowed that it had worked.
I should admit up front that I can imagine circumstances — not at the moment, but conceivably — where I too would put a guy in a Klan robe holding oranges on the cover of a magazine and ask whether the county that my publication serviced deserved to be described as a latter-day example of the Klan.
For example, if there were a Klan rally here followed by vicious and unprovoked attacks on minorities, I might think that it was time to pull out that kind of heavy ammunition. Even short of that, other things — the anti-Muslim rally in Yorba Linda a couple of years ago, various skinhead attacks on minorities, racial gang wars, Wiley Drake’s imprecatory prayers for President Obama’s death, the shootings and repression of Latinos in Anaheim — might conceivably justify a fiery J’accuse! in the face of the county we love. We’re not exactly short of potential material for an article on racism and power here, but … is it Klan-level? Do we have to have actual anti-Klan marches here to counter it without inviting charges of extraordinary hyperbole? Those are the sorts of question that such an article might fairly raise — but this article isn’t that one.
To write such an article sounding — even ironically or tongue-in-cheek or whatever the Weekly would claim they were doing in the issue that will come off the newsracks today (having graced them during the holiday celebrating the birth of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., in case anyone forgot that angle), I’d probably want to focus on (1) current abuses in the county that were (2) pretty freaking serious and (3) that people were both aware of and disinclined to stop.
Gustavo Arellano used the exact same criteria in deciding whether to feature his Klansmodel and an assertion that we are — that is, you live in; that is, we must come to grips with the reality of our being — “Ku Klux Kounty.” (I hope that it need not be overemphasized that this is serious stuff — especially to minorities in the area.)
At least, he used these criteria if you accept that (1) activities taking place in the first quarter of the last century that were bigoted (apparently against anti-Prohibition Catholics) but secretive, non-violent, and short-lived are capable of rendering us, now, as “KK Kounty”; (2) that the still-persisting naming of streets, schools, buildings, and parks after these real or self-imagined “KKK members” is a serious offense against our social order; and (3) that people know about it and shrug.
Of course, by those criteria, the “Klan Kounty” kover is woefully and painfully overblown. Still, had OC been a hotbed of active KKK racism and violence, a drive to rename schools and parks might be exactly the sort of thing that a publication like the Weekly might champion and that a Democratic activist like me might embrace. If “we continue to honor KKK members and will likely do so forever,” as Arellano’s article proclaims, I think that that is a problem and I’m not inclined to shrug it off. And that’s what I said in a comment to the article:
This is of interest because it helps address a “we can cast stones because we are without sin” attitude that may be around parts of the county, but — is it attached to an action plan? If not, why not? I don’t mean an “action plan” such as “this may be the topic of Gustavo’s next book that he’d like everyone to buy, but one like: ought there be demands to rename some of these places?
As part of that process, do we ask Fullerton H.S. to change their school mascot to something less culturally offensive and more currently terror-inspiring than “Indians” while we’re at it — maybe to “Libertarians” or “Bar Patrons” or “Latex Gloves” or “Homeless Shelters”? I’m willing to ask my residence of Brea to rename that elementary school here after Dakota Fanning, if that would help. Maybe we can rename each landmark after someone better who happens to have the same surname. Or even given name — “French Park” could be named after “French Stewart.”
If the Weekly wants to make the renaming of landmarks in OC a cause, it might be interesting. Such consciousness-raising has had its successes at times in places across the country. But for the point of it all to be merely “look how brave and hip we are to put a photo of a mock Klansman on our cover!” is sort of underwhelming. (Give me credit, Gustavo, for not saying “pathetic.”) Now I’m going to pull out a $20 bill and stare at it while wondering when the story is coming out on Andrew Jackson.
Gustavo responded by saying that I had made “no point whatsoever” and advising me to “go back to your shit pit” that you are now reading. Admittedly, a better point was made by mophisto.waltz:
This is great… you know what else would be great?
If you were to start exposing all the gang bangers and criminals in orange county TODAY. Im not sure why this makes any difference in todays world, or why perpetuating hate towards dead orange county political figures is something that is important to you. Please explain…..
Shouldn’t you be increasingly focused on making your home a better place with the forum that you have rather than attempting to make it look bad on a consistently regular basis?
I hope you take my questions into consideration. I find it disturbing and disappointing that you are not using your knowledge and abilities to a more positive end.
Then things got weird.
Some No Good Coot using the handle “NGCoot” wrote:
Mentioning that the Klan controlled Anaheim, even staged a 10,000-strong rally in the city, is the easy jab people always employ against Anaheim specifically and Orange County in general whenever they want to describe us as fundamentally racist. But the Klan’s rise in Anaheim and other OC cities during the 1920s is well-documented as a stand by good people against racist terror, an easy narrative to write and honor. Besides, the Klan’s time in Anaheim had little to do with suppressing minorities–especially Mexicans.
The above statement was written by Gustavo – why the change of heart now Gustavo?
Huh? After Gustavo accused him of being a “Mater Dei apologist” — stinging words for us Edison alums — NGCoot posted this paragraph, which he later said was also not written by him:
One of the best scholarly studies of the Klukkers’ time in my hometown is the essay, “The Invisible Empire and the Search for the Orderly Community: The Ku Klux Klan in Anaheim, California,” by Christopher N. Cocoltchos, part of the anthology, The Invisible Empire in the West: Toward a New Historical Appraisal of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s. In it, Cocoltchos methodically examines the background behind the rise of the Klan in Anaheim, arguing it resulted from out-of-towners and temperance fools who chafed at the old German guard of Anaheim and their near-aristocratic ways. He could only find three violent incidents related to the Klan trying to terrorize a religious or ethnic group: crosses burnt in front of St. Boniface Catholic Church and in undisclosed spots in Fullerton and Yorba Linda. All other efforts of indimidation occurred against those people the Klan disagreed with politically, and were usually whites. Of Latinos–who were increasingly becoming the city’s backbone of its lucrative citrus industry and included among its ranks my grandfather–Cocoltchos wrote they were “a group the Klan totally ignored.”
When I asked him “WTF?”, Coot’s response indicated that this, too, came from Arellano’s writing.
NGCoot later added:
In 1924, the Klan became active in local politics in Anaheim. The city had been controlled by an entrenched elite that gave little support to the prohibition laws–the mayor, for example, had been a saloon keeper. The Klan represented a rising group of citizens who denounced the elite as corrupt, undemocratic and self-serving. The Klansmen sought to create a model orderly community. (While excluding Catholics and those opposed to the Women’s Christian Temperance Union.)
The Klan won the election in Anaheim in April 1924. They systematically fired Catholic city employees and replaced them with Klansmen and tried to strictly enforce prohibition. The opposition organized, bribed a Klansman for the secret membership list, exposed the Klansmen running in the primaries and defeated most of them. The antis stepped up the campaign in 1925 and succeeded in voting to recall the Klansmen who had been elected in April 1924. The Klan in Anaheim quickly collapsed, its newspaper closed after losing a libel suit.
So where is the virulent radical racism?? – where is the KKK extreme and violent terrorism?? Oh, …. that’s right ….. there wasn’t any – Gustavo left that part out.
This chapped my sensibilities. In a subsequent exchange with a woman who wondered why people were being mean to Gustavo, I wrote:
[T]he issue here is whether “being in the KKK” means what we normally think of “being in the KKK” meaning. It never occurred to me before now that when Gustavo talked about people “being in the KKK” he may have meant basically that they called themselves KKK members but (except for being against Anaheim Catholics and firing them from city jobs) didn’t do the things that KKK members generally did. Didn’t you assume from the story that they were cross-burning, lynching, vicious, racist bastards? I sure did. If they weren’t — and maybe Gustavo will still show that they were — then this “naming things after them” is less outrageous than otherwise. And for Gustavo himself to have been the one who pointed out in his previous writing that they were not typical KKK types, if NGCoot is correct — well, that just becomes sick!
At this point our old friend-of-the-blog Gabriel San Roman (whom I suspect may be dispatched here to defend his new employer’s honor so that Gustavo doesn’t have to get poop on him) asked what may look like a good question:
Trying to whittle away at the nomenclature of white supremacy illustrated in the cover story? I thought ‘liberal progressives’ had better items on their agenda to attend to. Guess not!
Well, uh … no, I don’t think so. At the time, remember, the Klan was being lionized in film by D. W. Griffith, and if some ignorant Orange Countians thought that they were being Klanworthy in trying to boot some pro-booze Catholics out of Anaheim city government, it surely is bigotry … but it’s probably not “white supremacy.” It’s more like Occupy people wearing Guy Fawkes masks without knowing squat about who Guy Fawkes was and whether he was someone to celebrate. It’s annoying — but, 89 years after the fact, is it the sort of extreme evil that warrants OC being called “Ku Klux Kounty”? No, GSR, it is not. In fact, it trivializes real current concerns about race and bigotry — and for what? A bump in one week’s circulation numbers? No. We liberal progressives don’t like that and I don’t think that conservative libertarians or populist anarchists would like it either.
I’m still willing to get by reform efforts in this respect, if there are any, which I don’t expect their will be, which is probably just as well. But if, say, Gustavo tries to write a book about this, using the existence of Fanning Elementary and Plummer Auditorium and French Park as the evidence to prove why OC is a racist county — well, he can mark this Democratic party figure as willing to support his efforts to ensure that KKK-level racism is not forever honored here. In the meantime, maybe we don’t need to see the county provoked for being “Klan-like” for one of the weakest reasons imaginable.
Meanwhile, I may be able to address one of Gustavo’s other perennial concerns:
[O]ne of Orange County’s sins that embarrass me the most is the atrocious lack of African-Americans ’round here.As I’ve written before, out of the top 25 metropolitan areas in the United States, OC is the only one with an African-American community of less than 5 percent–and we’re at 2.2 percent, according to the 2010 Census. Hey, at least that’s better than our 2 percent from 2000, right?
I don’t know, muchacho — maybe los Afroamericanos prefer to live in a metropolitan area with a decent alt-weekly? You know, someplace that doesn’t put a picture of a guy in a Klan costume on the cover just to boost circulation at the cost of causing needless discomfort among passers-by who have to look at that image. I mean, you almost got it in your introduction to your story:
All right, kids, calm down. Yes, that is a man posing in a Ku Klux Klan robe on our cover and in our pages. Sí, the outfit is incredibly offensive, code for racial terror and doesn’t belong in polite society, let alone a family paper such as this one. Yep, the man beneath the hood is Congressman Dana Rohrabacher . . . okay, maybe not, because we hear he prefers dressing up as the Taliban.
But we trot out the outfit of the hooded menace to speak truth to an uncomfortable part of Orange County life: We continue to honor KKK members and will likely do so forever.
But maybe they figured out that this was not such “an uncomfortable part of Orange County life” as to justify “trot[ting] out the outfit of the hooded menace.” Maybe they think that your article was self-serving, bad-faith, bullshit.
In my mind, a much more important part of Orange County’s current political climate begins with the Watts riots of 1965. after which Orange County’s population grew exponentially with families of young white aerospace engineers seeking safe neighborhoods.
These Suburban Warriors became the voters who were at the forefront of Goldwater’s then Reagan’s campaign – the face of the counter-counterculture The cities they built were villages or didn’t exist in the twenties when the Klan flourished and the newcomers had no ties to old Orange County.
They are old, but they still dominate voting booths in much of the county and it’s the second generation of this movement, who came of age during the Reagan years, who came to dominate Republican politics.
Gustavo Arellano prefers to focus on the more distant and less significant part of the county’s history in the older cities, but it’s a history missing a big piece of the puzzle.
I think you’re describing white flight, which obviously happened in many large cities in the 1950s and 1960.
More recently, black flight is happening from LA to the Inland Empire as the Latino population in LA has grown. These migrations of specific ethnicities are no longer peculiar to whites. And some folks simply CHOOSE to self-segregate as a means of nurturing cultural traditions and promoting a supportive community.
“A huge banner welcoming members of the Ku Klux Klan stretches across the main road to Anaheim. And for those who favor keeping their eyes on the road, the same message is painted on the pavement. “KIGY” it reads – Klansmen I Great You. In Anaheim the Klan is everywher, KKK signs in shop windows afford Klan members a 20% discount ” ……. from Orange Coast Magazine 1990:
http://books.google.com/books?id=AmEEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=orange+county+klan+violence&source=bl&ots=HL4BmJtDYF&sig=2IiQBi7_NyT6G6f35I4tRhwTV9o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ya7oTuPgIeXXiQLDlpTmAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=orange%20county%20klan%20violence&f=true
I hope that people do read all three pages of that. Anaheim’s KKK wasn’t negligible, but it was not violent along the lines of the KKK in much of the country. It did get a slate elected in Anaheim, but it held power there for about four months — with the recall petitions needed to remove the City Council members being collected in just two days once the members who secretly belonged to the Klan were outed.
Maybe I’m being too hard on Gustavo, though. Reading down from the end of the first page (page 53) of Orange Coast Magazine’s Feb. 1990 edition, we see that the KKK in OC was anti-drug (in that case alcohol), anti-union, anti-immigrant (mostly meaning Catholics), and nominally anti-Black; the anti-Catholic theme was the one they chose here. If there’s any political continuity between contemporary OC and the OC of 1922-1924, that would be it.
If the Weekly would like to push for renaming public spaces so as to no longer honor people with all or some such a set of beliefs, maybe we could get somewhere — but in that case it would be pointless to call such people “the KKK.” The only advantage to pretending that these beliefs are just of “the Klan,” I suppose, is that by not calling them “John Birchers” (among other possible names), many contemporary people’s feelings would be spared. Calling them out would have been a very different (and more important) article.
If noting political continuity with the KKK of 1924 were the point, maybe the “KKK Kounty Kover” could be justified. Instead, the piece studiously invites us to remove ourselves from those strange old days, oh so different from today.
Our friend (and Gustavo’s friend) Cynthia Ward is a huge Anaheim history buff… and the way she tells it, the KKK had a very brief run in old Anaheim and were quickly run off by the locals. Or that’s how I remember her telling it. I’ll go get her.
OK, OK Vern. Let me go find my notes to make sure I get it right. Anaheim kicked their sorry asses to the curb, but quick. Be right back, with the real story.
Check the link that NGCoot posted. That seems to be what you’re looking for.
OK, so Vern went and riled me up.
Anaheim, 1922. Reverend Leon Myers comes to town to lead the First Christian Church of Anaheim, and begins a Bible study for men and boys, with an emphasis on creating Godly examples of American manhood. Anyone who signed up for those Bible studies ended up essentially listed as a Klansman. The KKK was greatly misrepresented, promoted by one of the 3 local papers as apple pie and mom and law and order, and it was attractive to a community still reeling from the stigma of facing World War 1 formed from the families of fleeing European intelligentsia. Anaheim was so desperate to show we were Americans first that we changed street names during that period, some families changed their surnames. All while being the melting pot of Orange County, Anaheim has a reputation for being founded by Germans, but we were Austrian and Polish and French, we had one of the few China towns not burned out by bigots. We have always been inclusive, and hospitable, while struggling to buck the stereotypes and rumors of surrounding communities questioning how American we were. So one can see how a Bible study based on patriotism would be attractive to many in the early 1920s, combining the love of Christ and the love of country. Sadly that is not ultimately what Reverend Myers Bible study offered.
I have interviewed some the children of those men, and I can tell you that most left the group the second they realized what Myers was really up to. They were ashamed at being duped, and the large regional Klan gathering in Anaheim drew thousands from OTHER areas of the State. In Anaheim it is estimated they picked up 300 members from a population of roughly 10,000, and nobody knows how long any of those 300 remained, that roster does not reflect comings and goings, it appears to have been inflated to reflect anyone who ever attended a Bible study under Myers in an effort to appear more powerful than they were.
2 of the 3 local papers were anti-Klan, and the owner of the Anaheim Bulletin (Lotus Loudon would totally run a blog if he lived today) got hold of the list and published it, to run the bastards out of town. Publication of their names was a threat precisely because their attitude was shameful to their civilized neighbors.
By 1925, 4 of the 5 Council members were Klan members, (elected without disclosure of their Klan status) and having only served 11 months of their new terms before being exposed, the locals gathered signatures to recall them within DAYS of notification that they owed allegiance to anyone other than the people of Anaheim. 95% of voters turned out to recall their sorry asses, not exactly symbolic of a deeply entrenched civic philosophy of racism.
Yes, there were some who stayed in the Klan and promoted an attitude of anti-Catholic hatred (not racial tension-a very different Klan from the south) and their weapon of choice was a newspaper ad in The Plain dealer accusing certain leaders of “being controlled by Rome” rather than the southern habit of a rope on the outskirts of town. There is no evidence of wrongdoing from the Council, they did not pass laws promoting Klan ideals, there are no accounts of lynchings, by all accounts their behavior was cleaner than some of the respected civic groups involved in today’s political machinations. Yet we tossed them, not for what they did but for what they represented, because it was NOT Anaheim.
Anaheim does not condone hate. And I deeply resent that this story keeps coming up making it appear that we were OK with this in any way.
For those poor saps that ended up on the list, Gustavo would like us to believe they were all racist jerks and our communities elected them to office, or frequented their businesses, and made them successful for their time because we supported the idea of being racist jerks. The reality is that good men who returned from the horror of war wanted to attend a Bible study that promoted patriotism and creating strong honorable men and boys who concerned themselves with law and order. When they discovered the Bible study was not as represented they hung their heads in shame at being duped, and went on to lead productive lives as civic officials and business leaders, because those are the honorable people that many (not all) were in the first place. But some would throw them all in the same dishonored mushpot.
How dare we now lump all of these men in the same category as those who remained involved and participated in activities unbefitting the gentlemen they claimed to be? Is it up to us, generations later, to make that determination? That decision was already made by the people who knew them when they were alive, and they chose to name parks or streets or community centers after these men. That tells me they very likely were not the ones who participated, but far more likely checked out a Bible study, caught on to the truth after a few meetings, and bailed.
The separation between those who were and were not active is in the response of the communities they served. Can you see us building the Mike Carona Commemorative Law Enforcement Pavilion? No, we wouldn’t do it in today’s environment, how much more so we would not do it in an age when decorum and propriety meant something?
If Gustavo, or anyone else, wants to beat this dead horse they better come out with something other than a list. And if anyone wants to characterize Anaheim as the petri dish that created the mindset of hate and ugliness where the KKK thrived, they need to look elsewhere. Reverend Myers showed up in town with that crap attitude all on his own, lied his way into peoples’ free time by playing on their desire for doing good, and within 3 years we had kicked his sorry ignorant ass out of town. No, Anaheim is not perfect, and we have a long way to go in treating each other with respect and dignity. But Anaheim is not what is portrayed on the pages of a tabloid, and I am tired of the characterization.
I hope that when future generations pull up membership lists of our own involvements, and read our blog posts and print articles, they see that we did spend our time in the pursuit of rooting out, and putting an end to, the evil deeds of modern leaders, instead of wasting precious time digging up the reputations of long dead men so we might kill them again. To that end, Vern has invited me to cross post here at Orange Juice, and I am working on a series on predatory foreclosure, in which the banks make the KKK look like friggin’ Girl Scouts. So I would like to get back to writing THAT piece, which might actually make a difference for someone in today’s world. Continue the debate without me, I have said my piece.
Gustavo responded on Facebook, so as not to get his hands dirty here:
“Cynthia: You forgot to mention that the TRUE racism in Anaheim didn’t happen until after the Klan left—you know, Citrus War, Pearson Park pool segregation, housing covenants, etc. REAL virtuous men there! And you also forgot the part where your real virtuous men issued death threats against DA Nelson after swinging through Anaheim and that the Klan was, you know, the Klan. But, hey: you kids keep having your fits over the inconvenient truths of Orange County history; we’ll keep reporting them!”
and then later:
“And the children of the former Klan members you interviewed that spoke of all that shame also probably beat up my aunts and uncles while they attended Fremont Junior High just for being Mexican—REAL virtuous there!”
and then to Vern:
“By the way, Vern, how telling of your pathetic blog that you have to fish for people to enlist and dismiss the Klan’s time in Orange County as a supposed duping of innocents. HAHAHAHAHA!”
http://newsantaana.com/2013/01/24/sausd-school-police-investigating-pellet-gun-incident-at-muir-elementary/
Gustavo can find racism alive and well in Santa Ana – the 5th grader shot with a pellet gun at Miur – his family is from India.
Is there any indication that the basis for that attack was racial?
Gustavo’s “Citrus War” was more of a labor dispute than racially motivated.
Has anyone else noticed that Gustavo weirdly laughs to excess?
OK, just to review things for anyone who is confused:
(1) Gustavo prints a story with a sensationalistic cover saying that we live in “Ku Klux Kounty,” the evidence being that our naming of public buildings and spaces honor former Klan members. However, he apparently does not think that we should do anything to remedy this.
(2) Cynthia provides here, and NGCoot provides on the Weekly itself (with a link to a decades old magazine article), evidence that suggests that many of those named as Klan probably weren’t actually Klan and that those that were knowingly part of it did not engage in the horrific activity that we associate with the Klan — although they clearly did engage in firings of Catholics from public employment — making the description of OC as KKKounty all the weirder.
(3) Now Gustavo tells us that the actual bad racism in OC came about after the Klan left — which was sort of the point of raising the issues of the skinheads, Minutemen, Birchers, etc.
So, maybe there’s some common ground here! The problem is not that OC is KKKounty, but that we have a continuation of long-established patterns of racism in the county, including the beating up of Gustavo’s aunts and uncles, which we should all condemn.
So let’s find the names of the people who engaged in racist attacks during the “Citrus War,” who segregated Pearson Park, who established housing covenants, and who beat up Gustavo’s family and make sure that THEIR names are not on public buildings and spaces — not because they were “KKK members” but because they were racists!
Here’s the difference between invoking the KKK and invoking the latter acts of racism. There’s no continuity within OC with the KKK. They seem like the Keystone Kops. They’re removed from our current experience. It’s easy to laugh at them, to degrade them. It doesn’t piss off anyone. Even Jim Gilchrist wrote in to comment on Gustavo’s article, and he wasn’t upset.
But the relevant problem in OC is not that we had a motley (and soon routed) group of Klansmen in the first half of the 1920s — it’s that legacy that came afterwards (and that Gustavo now invokes to defend his article.)
If the sign in the graphic had said “Racist County” and had depicted not a clownish orange-wielding KKK figure but someone representing those people who enforced segregation here, it would have been useful. It might have hit home — because there is a continuity with those days Gustavo now describes and the present day. But he didn’t do that — and yet he wants credit for some sort of bravery. Bullshit — he just wanted to show what a scamp he was by putting a Klansman on the cover. Weak.
Okay Diamond, if that is the standard, then we should go back a couple of hundred years and remove all Spanish names from buildings, streets and places, b/c the Spanish mistreated the indigenous people’s.
An interesting proposal, skally. I suppose that the question would be whether the continuity with Spanish conquistadores is comparable to the continuity with modern segregationists and such. Do you think that it is?
Cythia,
Thank you for getting the history correct.
Always good to have it out there!
I look forward to reading your series on predatory foreclosures. Having had a spouse who lost her career, in the mortgage industry and wont return unless they clean it up right, it should be interesting….
Carl I would like to talk to your wife, would she talk to me? You can reach me through facebook if she is willing, I leave it with her, I need not use names, and I have never outed a source.
I’ll see what we can do…
Gustavo should carry his racial jihad to LA.
http://www.irwinator.com/126/wdoc200.htm
Whoa — where did you get this “racial jihad” thing?
Well you all forgot to reed Mexican propaganda blog called NewSantaAna by Art Pedroza.
The recent posts:
[Is there really still a place for Anglos in Santa Ana any more? This would make an interesting post Art. I mean it’s kind of fun for my kids to see what one looks like (I flipped on the T.V. for a few minutes during the last council meeting so they could see a few) but really, why do they stay in Santa Ana?
We play a game called Gringo Bingo in my family when we are driving on the weekends in Santa Ana (Weekdays you get few lawyers and people driving to Jury duty so it’s a little easier) The kids yell out when they spot a Gringo driving, kind of like a rare license plate. Double points if you see one walking or riding a bike. You can even draw out a grid with types of Gringos you are looking for (blond woman/man, white man in Suit, etc) You should have your readers try it. It can be pretty fun. We also play in Santa Ana Target Stores on weekends and it’s just about as tough to put together a Gringo Bingo there.
P.S. Homeless people don’t count because most homeless are Gringos in Santa Ana.] http://newsantaana.com/2013/01/24/exclusive-walters-will-not-seek-a-public-hearing-regarding-his-firing/comment-page-1/#comment-48640
[“We play a game called Gringo Bingo in my family when we are driving on the weekends in Santa Ana”
Interesting. Our family has a little game called, “I spy with my little eye, a Gringo” which sounds very similar. The entire city of Santa Ana is viewed as a giant game board and you get points for spotting Gringos as you traverse the the city. Higher points are earned for Gabachos seen South of 17th street, East of Bristol street, West of Broadway and North of Segerstrom street. Triple points earned if you see a white man/woman in the Willard Neighborhood (teachers don’t count), Delhi, Santa Anita, and Logan. (La Chiquita also does not count) Double points scored in the Downtown at night for a straight white people either male or female. The board game version is in the works and should be ready by Christmas!] http://newsantaana.com/2013/01/24/exclusive-walters-will-not-seek-a-public-hearing-regarding-his-firing/comment-page-1/#comment-48733
These are your friendly Mexican fuzzballs!
You’re using the writings of Art Pedroza to prove what point exactly?
In the math equation, if you have unknown you substituted for it so you can solve the equation.
Here substitute Gringo with Jew and see what you get.
It is interesting to think of ways in which those two circumstances might differ.
The only way they may differ is because in your mind only the white and gentiles can be racists and that is racist in its self.
I don’t believe that and I don’t think that I’ve ever said it here. I do think that in various circumstances there may be differences within and across demographic grounds in the ability to translate one’s bigotry (racism being one example) into discrimination.
I am getting dizzy with your explanation.
Yes/ No: Is it racist in your mind for a Mexican family, including children, counting white citizens in Santa Ana?
Yes/ No: Is it good idea for parents to show there children how they differ from others by a color of their skin?
Is it a OK for the white kid who was counted by Mexican kid as different from Mexican to tell the Mexican kid in the school you are different than I am – get lost?
I would engage you in this sort of discussion if I thought that it would do a damn bit of good, but I don’t.
The first principle in avoiding racism is to act towards others in good faith. Work on that first, then we’ll talk.
I should add that the above was submitted at NSA by “Brown Pride” and “Chicano Power” characters.
So again, substitute to get the equation result: “White Pride” and “White Power”.
To end racism we must see each other only as the Americans protected by the USA constitution. [Emphases added]
However, the left liberals will continually perpetuate the ethnic and cultural differences.
If I can’t call myself European American without being seen as racist why there is an African American and Mexican American etc. etc. etc.
The left likes us to be divided especially the Obama administration which virtually separated us back to our homelands.
I am an American and if you are not you are against me!.
So it looks you did not found any other holocaust promoted by Jews except for Jewish one….. Huh? And that one is obvious lye as I have shown in the posts which you have erased.
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Vern:
I think that Gustavo will be coming out soon with part two, the similarities of Anaheim being controlled by the KKK, and by Disneyland today.
Last Thursday, January 24, Disneyland had two somewhat secret meetings with their SOAR supported groups. One was at 5:30 PM at the home on Broadway of a Disneyland SOAR committee member and former Anaheim Planning Commissioner. The other meeting was a 7:30 PM potluck led by a Disneyland elected council member who is also co-chairman of Disneyland SOAR.
It appears that Disneyland wants their followers to help stop or delay the election districting of Anaheim by scaring the white population with implications that the majority of Anaheim’s Latinos are uneducated, undocumented, and can not speak English.
We will see you at the council meeting Tuesday night.
Hey Fitz. Was nice meeting you at the last council meeting. Not sure I’m going to this next one. I haven’t mentioned it yet, but – as you probably know – the GardenWalk giveaway was NOT agendized for tomorrow’s meeting, and I don’t know of anything else exciting or controversial happening then.
This other news you’re telling me is interesting. Could you give me a call – I gave you my card, right?
I don’t know why Latinos being UNDOCUMENTED would scare whites away from districting, since undocumented people CAN’T legally – and hardly ever actually – vote. But I sure would like to know what sort of mischief Disney and SOAR might be up to to prevent districting, while pretending to support it. That’s in my wheelhouse.
All Gustavo has is a list of names of people who MAY have belonged to the klan – he couldn’t compare two nickels.
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