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"Join me, Ron Paul, and we together we shall rule the Geo!" "NEVER!!!"
I don’t think that it’s quite fair to hold a candidate responsible for the excesses of his or her most absurd supporters, but … wow.
One rap on Ron Paul is that he has been actively currying the favor of Alex Jones-caliber nutjobs for decades and so holding him responsible for their excesses is fair game. I presume that whatever Paul supporters we have here will challenge that, but … again, wow.
I had heard mutterings about “chemtrails” from a few at the Occupy encampment in Irvine, where we are not in short supply of fans of El Paul, but had not really bothered to figure out what they were talking about because I first wanted to understand what they thought would actually replace the Fed if it was Ended. But the Iowa Caucus has brought all things Paul to the cultural forefront, and a foray into a Republican website led me to a video that … wow.
Chemtrails — which I’d always understood were called “contrails” — are a key conspiracy item in a theory that the gummint is engaged in geo-engineering. Now, I have heard of geo-engineering discussed seriously, although not in any sort of a “this will really happen” way, for some time, specifically related to global warming. What if we could put a large amount of aluminum confetti (or whatever those Mylar balloons are covered with) into the upper atmosphere to ward off the sun’s excess heat? Well — maybe, I suppose … if truly necessary to protect humanity … but I’d really like to be more sure about its working (and its reversability) then I am about, oh, nuclear power after Fukushima. And, in general, I do not think that any such enterprise should be done secretly, even if at all, because it feeds, well, paranoia.
Paranoia, you say? Check out this video of what self-proclaimed Ron Paul supporters are doing to protect themselves from dangerous “chemtrails”:
Yes, these intrepid fighters against government whatever are spraying vinegar into the air in their backyard in order to dissipate the “chemtrails” — and, LOOK, it’s WORKING!!!
My Spider Sense is sending me two contradictory messages about this. The first is that this is Romney’s Rovian, Atwatery, Tuckoid pranksters at work trying to make Paul and his supporters look ur-dickulous. If that’s true, why should I help Romney, Inc. do its evil work of character assassination? And then the second message I perceive is: no, I don’t think that Ron Paul thinks that vinegar spray helps dissipate “deadly chemtrains,” but — I do think that his supporters might. Is this video legit? I’m afraid so. I’m very afraid so. In which event I say: … wow.
The real question is: if and when Paul loses, will these people vote at all? What’s Libertarian Gary Johnson’s position on chemtrails? Now there’s a question I’ll bet that he never thought he’d have to ask himself this year!
Update, 1/1/12: If some people think I’m being too tough on Paul here, consider that at least I’m being nicer than most Republican Presidential candidates! That linked story on “the excommunication of Paul” is worth reading.
Did they also talk about water fluoridation too? Chemtrails, vaccines and fluoridated water are the favorite topics of the LaRoach supporters.
I don’t know if spraying vinegar really does get rid of chemtrails (they did seem to go away), but, it will definitely get rid of your lawn.
Maybe that’s what happened to the grass at the Occupy site.
That video was rich with content though….the song on the last segment by Muse, “Uprising.” The first line is “Paranoia is blooming.”
The women’s kid obviously added that to the video before posting, which gives me hope that he is a little more aware than his mom. The chemtrails haven’t gotten to him yet (thankfully she’s spraying the vinegar).
As for Ron Paul seeking the support of the fringe? Careful what you wish for.
*First of all; Happy New Year to all. Secondly, If Ron Paul had Ben Franklin as his Chief of Staff, they would have answers to the 50,000 homeless folks in LA and the millions and millions who are experiencing foreclosures on their properties and homes. Ron Paul needs Thomas Jefferson to invent some new jobs for Americans. Ron Paul needs Sam Adams to write some fired up press releases that get those Caucus goers in Iowa…all wound up. Ron Paul needs Alexander Hamilton to have a duel or two with the nasty international bankers that caused the banking crisis in 2008.
No biggie, Chris Christie has four years to lose 50 pounds. Jeb Bush has four years to polish up those acceptance speeches and Marco Rubio has four years to pick who he wants to be Vice President with.
In the meantime, we will just stay the course, 1000 points of light with Obama-Biden 2012!
Meanwhile …
You’re saying that to be successful Ron Paul must enlist the help of dead people? Might as well try!
The guy has 2 first names, what is up with that?
*Cook…..has no first name….what’s up with that?
Ba-da-bing! Well done Winships.
Ha ha ha, that was good
dead people working on campaigns and voting, isn’t that how obama won his senate election in illinois
Yes, I’m sure, Willie.
No, it isn’t. Please review the commandment regarding bearing false witness, in case you consider yourself part of Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition.
Ron Paul and his Libertarian supporters are not going anywhere anytime soon so get used to it. In fact we’re growing stronger everyday and we will bitch about everything until the Constitution is restored to it’s full authority over the land.
You’ll see the light when this shit affects you personally which technically it already is.You are breathing this great stuff too. They have no right to do this in any way.
Everyone that is against RP and the Constitution should leave the country immediately.
Treasonous Traitors. Go back to England, I heard they keep dissidents more in line there and the people believe everything the government tells them.
So, in your second paragraph, John Paul, you are talking about chemtrails?
Does Congressman Paul actually have a position on that issue?
I’m so glad I didn’t entitle this post “No Ron Paul Supporters Are This Dumb.”
I grew up next to LAX. Between that and the good old days of leaded gas, my lungs were thrashed before I hit age 10 — and not from the government, either. That was a lack of commercial regulation at work.
I was going to say “you’ll see the light when this affects you personally,” but my guess is that you actually won’t. Happy New Year, though, and thank you for coming to THE Orange Juice Blog, where we treat our guests like family!
Hey Cook, this guy John Paul has two first names, maybe he’ll let you have one.
And to RP….”Go back to England, I heard they keep dissidents more in line there and the people believe everything the government tells them.”
They just had the largest union organized protest since WWII numbering 500,000. I don’t think the government was too happy that they shut the country down for the most part back in October. Sounds like the dissidents there believe less of their government than we do.
Where do you get your misinformation from?
I wonder if John Paul realizes that the only part of the chemtrail story that a TRUE Ron Paul supporter would object to, is the fact that the government is generating these chemtrails.
If say, Monsanto wanted to see if they could genetically modify crops or the people who eat them through chemtrails that would be perfectly fine by Ron Paul standards and if a couple a hundred thousand people were to sickened or killed, well, that’s the price of living in a free society.
Ron Paul knows that if two hundred thousand people were killed by Monsanto they would be punished by people boycotting their products (NO, don’t EVEN think about legal/government remedies, that would be a RP heresy) but you say, you don’t personally buy anything from Monsanto, too bad, because that is your ONLY Ron Paul approved remedy for corporate chemtrailing. Take heart though, there’s always vinegar.
You have to admit, though, of all the substances Ron Paul supporters could have chosen to spray, vinegar is about the most appropriate. If they were Mitt Romney supporters, it would be some expensive fake pine-scented air freshener.
If we’re talking vinegar for RP, wouldn’t it be Summer’s Eve for MR ?
The kid in that video is the greatest. “We are not the average family,” he observes with a sigh, shortly after calling his mother a “caveman” for not understanding YouTube.
I will listen to a member of the government, complain about the government, when that member quits their government job.
I already added this as an update to the post, but: this article in Salon on Ron Paul’s treatment by his primary opponents is worth everyone’s time to read:
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/30/the_excommunication_of_ron_paul/singleton/
It also helps explain why Obama really couldn’t veto the NDAA: the real power elite in this country, as in most others, is still the military-industrial-hawkish-foreign-policy complex, and if you mess with them, you will get destroyed. Taking on the banks and insurers is easy by comparison. An NDAA is called “must-pass” legislation for a reason.
*BP…..those are nice guys…eh? How about Goldman-Sachs…..those are nice guys too…right? How about Fanny and Freddy…..those are sweet folks too? How about the International Banking Community….nice guys too? This gets deep folks….and all we can say is: “Without an Oven Mitt…..where would the American people be today?
Ron Paul…..needs to examine some black lady in Mississippi and let us know what he thinks about the poor and the downtrodden. Nah, let’s ask Newt…..he had a Mom that was terminally depressed…..probably the only guy on the planet that had that happen….right?
So, honestly folks…do you think that Mark Sanchez just wants to leave the Big Apple and get back to those Saturday nights on the Sunset Strip? How about Tebow? Do you think he really wants to just run for Senate from Colorado?
This are very deep subjects and lord knows……without watching Jerry Springer…and Joy Behar…..what would make life worth living?