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Not everyone can stay overnight, but many people can come to a meeting.
Occupy Irvine sent out this message this morning (edited slightly for time references):
Please attend the Irvine City Council meeting TODAY (Tuesday, Oct. 25) in support of the Occupy Irvine/OC movement!
For the past 10 days, the Occupiers on the corner of Alton and Harvard have had to remove their entire encampment EVERY NIGHT at 10pm in accordance with city ordinances! This means dismantling the pop-ups and all tents, packing all donated food, water and supplies and storing everything in a U-Haul off-site, and then walking or sitting on the sidewalks all night long (no sleeping is permitted) until they are able to set up their Village once again at 6am.
At the meeting, we will ask the City Council to immediately pass an emergency ordinance to allow those representing Occupy Orange County to camp overnight in front of City Hall for 30 days, in order to fully exercise their freedom of speech.
Individuals can speak to the Council for three minutes during the Public Comment period, which should take place at around 6:30. In order to be recognized, each person wishing to speak should fill out a Request to Speak Form and return it to the City Clerk (exact instructions below). Please use this opportunity to let the City Council know what the Occupy Irvine/OC Village means to you and why it should be allowed to remain at the corner of Alton and Harvard.
Even if you don’t wish to speak, your presence is still requested to show support for the Occupiers and their/our movement. Let’s fill the council chamber!
Thanks, and see you at City Hall (corner of Alton and Harvard in Irvine)
The instructions for “PUBLIC COMMENT” are as follows:
Any member of the public may address the City Council on items within the City Council’s subject matter jurisdiction but which are not listed on this agenda during Public Comment; however, no action may be taken on matters that are not part of the posted agenda. If you would like to address the City Council during the Public Comment portion of the Agenda, please complete the Request to Speak Form. The card is at the table at the entrance to the City Council Chamber. Please complete the card with your name and return to the City Clerk. The Request to Speak Form assists the Mayor in ensuring that all persons wishing to address the City Council are recognized. Your name will be called at the time Public Comment is taken by the City Council. City policy is to limit public testimony to three minutes per speaker (unless extended by the Mayor) which includes the presentation of electronic or audio visual information.
I’d modify a few things about the above statement.
First, if a lot of people are present, the Mayor can reduce public comments to 2 minutes apiece (or conceivably less.)
Second, while people may “ask the City Council to immediately pass an emergency ordinance to allow those representing Occupy Orange County to camp overnight in front of City Hall for 30 days,” I don’t think that there is any expectation that it will happen tonight. It’s not on the agenda and would require a 2/3 vote to be included, which means 4 votes out of 5. That’s unlikely. This does get the demand onto the table, however.
Third, what protesters do want to do is to look the City Council square in the eyes and tell them what this protest is about. Protesters want to see how the City Council reacts. Is there hope for future cooperation? Or is the choice protesters have simply one between suffering, quitting, or beginning civil disobedience — and inviting the sort of expensive overreaction that we saw in Santa Ana last weekend and in Oakland last night?
I’ll have a post (most likely in the early afternoon) about the state of play. Here’s a preview: if it looks like we have reached an equilibrium where protesters comply with all city ordinances and the city treats the protest like a curiosity and waits for it to burn itself out, that appearance is deceiving.
People in Irvine are tired of being denied the ability to do what Occupy groups have done across the nation — stay on public land overnight to dramatize the loss of houses to foreclosure, the unaffordability of rent, and the general evisceration of the middle class, especially since the economy blew up in 2007-2008.
The notion that each protester arrested in Santa Ana this weekend has spent more time in prison than everyone from Wall Street involved in many of the largest financial scandals combined is mind-boggling. People passed off CDOs (collateralized debt obligations) as AAA+ rated security instruments, secure in the knowledge that if the house of cards fell, they’d be bailed out by both normal (insured accounts) and extraordinary (bailouts) measures. No one was arrested. No one was arrested. Arrests are for the “little people.”
Irvine can enforce its ordinances — the ones that apply, at any rate. (More on that later.) But the irony that this is illegal and punished and that — pillaging of the economy, destroying countless lives of people who played by the rules, making assuring executive bonuses a priority over all others — is not punished regardless of its legality is unbearable for many. If and when people commit the crimes of violating park closing hours or sleeping on the sidewalk, it will be to invite people to compare these crimes to those of pillaging the economy and walking away scot-free, bonuses in hands.
The people of Irvine most affected by these events are probably no longer around. They lost their houses. They lost their jobs. They had to go live somewhere less expensive, less prestigious, less insulated from the bitterness of the world. Or, perhaps, they’re about to have to leave.
This sort of protest is not supposed to happen in Irvine; Irvine is supposed to watch this sort of thing happen in Santa Ana or Los Angeles and sadly shake its head. Why are protesters in Irvine? Because protesters are never in Irvine. Because Newport Beach and Costa Mesa and Mission Viejo are now looking at Irvine and saying “whew, glad this isn’t happening here!”
But it will happen in those parts of the coastal county too — Irvine just happens to be first. As more and more people get screwed to the wall by an uncaring wealthy class, more of them will fight back even by means as passive and plaintive as simply sleeping where they are not supposed to sleep.
More and more people are losing their livelihoods — after which they have little left to lose. They and those who sympathize with them are coming to Irvine today to look at the members of its admirable City Council in the eye and let them know that things have changed, that there is no more business as usual, that Orange County is not isolated from the problems of the world.
The Council probably won’t speak in response to public comments; that’s why the headline says “talk at” rather than “talk to.” But every facial expression, every gesture, every fidget, every indication of sympathy or contempt, of solidarity or condescension, will be watched closely.
People want to figure out what they should do at the corner of Harvard and Alton. By tonight, they should know.
I would love to attend but Tuesday and Thursday I have no transportation.
So unless some liberal with his Yugo will consider car-pool me, I will not be there.
Your stats on the individuals detained in Santa Ana are invented. Without Wall Street, without Corporations, this country collapses. Is that really what you want? Your protest of banks? How many employees do Chase, Citibank, Bank of America employ that would be jobless without these companies? How much money do corporations like BofA and Target give to charities like United Way, Susan G Komen, etc? You want to end all this because why? Because you’re pissed off you do not have steady employment nor can provide for your families so you try and lower everyone to your level? You are not the 99% You are hurting our economy more than any government bail out ever could. Stop being so righteous and selfish. Take a good look around you. Strong people are those that lose everything and can pick themselves up and push forward despite all odds. You occupiers are weak, mindless, spineless leeches that have just standing around and complain that you have it so bad when you have no idea how bad some of us have it yet we don’t sit around and whine.
Hear, hear!
Since you have a rabid and inarticulate fan base below, let’s start numbering things so that they can follow along.
(1) “Stats on individuals detained in Santa Ana invented.” Nope. Four arrested that night, several (not sure how many) cited that morning. Those who faced custodial arrest spent a few hours apiece in jail before being released — more than anyone in, say, the CDO scandal or the ratings-agency scandal or the auto-pen scandal has, to my knowledge, spent in prison. I challenge you to provide evidence otherwise.
(2) Wall Street pretty much collapsed the country in 2008 anyway; it’s just slow motion and it hadn’t reached Irvine yet. (Or rather the people affected have gone away.)
(3) We’re not anti-corporation; we’re pro-accountability. You’re anti-accountability. As I’ve written before, we’re not anti-business, we’re anti-“Business As Usual.”
(4) No, I don’t want the country to collapse. Do you want feudalism?
(5) There will still be financial services jobs with B of A. Reinstate Glass-Steagall and the banks will be much more safe.
(6) How much do corporations give to charity? Less than they suck out of pension funds and the like.
(7) I believe in accountability, preserving the middle-class, and playing by the rules. Some (by no means all) corporations believe in evading accountability, rendering the middle class desperate enough to take lower wages and worse working conditions and benefits even if it destroys it as a market, and bending or ignoring the rules — and, if they’re punished by the government or the market, they can dump all of the bad stuff into a subsidiary that can then be cut off like a lizard’s tail.
(8) Am so the 99%!
(9) As for the rest: caring about the country and its citizenry enough to sacrifice time and effort to benefit them is not selfish, weak, mindless, spineless, leechlike or whiny. It’s patriotic — a concept that, so far as it ever involves your actual sacrifice, seems to be foreign to you.
(10) You believe that you have to give those with money whatever they want. Is there any limit to this, or is it really given them whatever they want because otherwise they might cut jobs, donations, etc.? It seems to be the latter — a weak, selfish and spineless stance. You have lost your dignity.
Have a nice day!
I believe those who have gone to school, worked their asses off to be where they are deserve what they’ve earned and I do not feel they should have to support someone who has been a lazy parasite, free loading off the system/parents who did not have them same drive for self reliance and now feels the world owes him everything. Survival of the fittest
So you think that the financial sector should have been left to crash in 2008, as it proved that it was not fit. There was a case to be made for that, but I’m glad that it didn’t happen. I just wish that the implicit social contract present in the federal support of the financial sector — that, while using public money, it should work for the public good — had been honored.
The rest of what you wrote is sort of silly and doesn’t demand a reply.
“I do not seek the good of others as a sanction for my right to exist, nor do I recognize the good of others as a justification for their seizure of my property or their destruction of my life.” | P2C4
Ayn Rand
MQ says:
Brilliant she was, just brilliant!
Yes, yes…self-interest is a person’s highest pursuit. Brilliant.
How do you square that philosophy with that of Christianity, which she utterly rejected (along with every other religion)?
Quinn’s already a step ahead of you – she’s already realized and admitted that she’s not a Christian.
Now if only ALL the economic conservatives would do the same and honestly make the choice between Jesus and Mammon, we would finally see the long-awaited sight – an end to the unholy alliance that holds together the Republican Party!
You may dream of that happening, Vern, but consistency is not their strong suit. Did you see the video of Frank Luntz trying to teach Stephen Colbert to lie with conviction?
And what holds the democrat party together, the unholy alliance to unions and criminals!
I would rather have a mixture of the religious and non-relgious, than a mixture of losers and thieves. What holds the republican party together is the need to beat the loser party, that has destroyed this state and on its way to destroying the country! You are right, I am not a Christian, I don’t have not figured that one out yet, but I do respect christians very much. I think Ayn Rand lived in an era were christianity oppressed women too much. She was like I a realist and it is a fact that religion can be good, but as we have seen with the muslim religion, very, very bad!
orlando that was perfect .
A perfect record of each sentence being pure easily debunked BS, starting with sentence one. I had left it alone as too easy of pickings. But it’s already drawing all the flies.
The revolution will not be televised in the O.C.
Are you meanin’ anything? Please elaborate.
The power structure in Irvine won’t give credence to the notion that there are unhappy campers in their master planned Utopia. Especially by letting them be campers.
Well, Demagogue, we’ll have to just see about that. I know one thing, defeatism never got anyone anywhere. (Except for, SOMETIMES, being able to say “I told you so” which is an overrated pleasure.)
I apologize for sounding like a defeatist. I ascribe to being a realist in thinking that Irvine is not going to start issuing camping permits to anyone besides the Boy Scouts. It might hurt real estate values.
See my latest post, Demagogue. We are undefeated.
I am glad to say that I was wrong, and offer you my congratulations, and my apology for doubting your efforts.
Well, I’m glad I made you elaborate on your first cryptic comment – you’ve got a lot of worthwhile things to say here!
Anyone who didn’t doubt our success wasn’t being realistic. But our not trying to achieve it would not have been realistic either.
Vern,
As I’m sure you know, that was a Gill Scott Heron reference. A fellow revolutionary. Sad to see him pass. He was a troubled soul, but had great insight.
Yes! we must have more money laundering, financial terrorism jobs to suck all productivity out of the economy. NOT! go Irvine! go Santa Ana!
Has anybody noticed that O.C. conservatives have no follow through or depth of thought. One confrontation on their dogma and they back up their foreign car and go home to polish the golden calf. These false patriots aspire to push us into the third world with their desire for smaller government and less regulation. If that’s what you want go to Somalia and live with people that buy into that mindset. Don’t forget your flak jacket.
Start your confrontation, You first!
hey demagogue , gee i didnt know smaller gov and less regulation where bad things , that is WHAT WE WANT , NOT REDISTRABUTION , pushing us into the 3rd world do you want us to become europe , trun this country into socialism , if so go take a hike to go see castro , or hugo , you will fit right in with them .
The Republican plan to destroy our public education system has come to fruition.
Yes, smaller government and less regulation are bad things. Less regulation allowed the banks and Wall Street to push this country into a horrible economic mess, and redistribute the wealth of this nation to the few rich guys at the top. I’ll bet that you are not in a better financial position than you were 3years ago. Wall Street is.
not too many people are better off today , the republican plan to destroy education , what is that ? we would like to cut down the heavy union choke hold that is on this state . this state has been crap for the last 4 years and what do we do keep electing the same clowns , , smaller gov and less regulations is the way to go , we tried big gov look what hole we are into now with nobama and all his plans , anti busniness , anti wealth , redistrabution , social justice nobamacare, look what is going on in spain, europe , all the countries that depend on big gov . = they are broke . like us ,
You are the result of the dismantling of the public education system. You can’t follow the conversation, let alone spell or use proper grammar.
The only people doing better these days are the wealthy. Not you. As the disparity between the rich and the poor gets bigger, the more we are like the third world.
You have been used by the Tea Party. They have distracted you by making you afraid of the government, minorities, and unions,while they rob you blind. The biggest redistribution of wealth in this nations history has occured in the last 4 years, and all of the money has moved to the rich. And they have no interest in sharing it with you. They are not going to create a better job for you. They want to smash unions, get rid of minimum wages, and take what little money you have left.
Wake up and smell the burning Vaseline.
If Jesse James were alive today, he wouldn’t be robbing banks, he would be owning one.
What a garbage!
I guess we won’t be seeing you at the protest.
Obviously!
My consent to OCCUPATION is to its constitutionality not to its substance.
Can somebody decipher that for me?
“Can somebody decipher that for me?”………. Hmmmm
It would be an oxymoron to decipher for the demagogue.
You need to look up the definitions of demagogue and oxymoron.
And you should look up “decipher for the demagogue”.
Well said, Demagogue. Love it!!!
And as we have seen from the Occupy crowd, their whole beef is to want a bigger government to take care of them because looking at them, they obviously can’t take care of their themselves. This is the new movement of flea baggers, the stupid, needy, worthless parasites of humanity, who prey on the workers and self reliant.
And Demagogue the reason that you have a well tuned education is because most likely you grew up in this country when the education system was not run by unions and the reason why I and my friend TGO have a less than stellar education, is due to the fact that we not only grew up in war torn areas, but, socialist countries only educate the rich to keep the poor, needy and loyal to the state. But of course YOU are ignorant to the world outside your coffee house.
I can decipher you: rich, white, and stupid, poor, brown and brainwashed or a union worker. Which one are you?
And as far as the Republicans wanting to destroy the education system; well then explain to me, why the worst education systems are in states run by demorats? The population that most likely voting for demorat, have the children most likely failing in schools. The children of republicans most likely attend PTA’s, give back to the schools and are involved in their children’s education. Liberal Demorats don’t worry about education, the Government is there to sustain them, why bother getting a degree!
Silly little liberal that you are, a flea bagger with an elitist attitude; whats the odds in that?
Go get your latte and and read your huff post! 🙂
I see, Demagogue, that you are becoming acquainted with our three resident trolls or court jesters. They’re all immigrants by the way, which I guess is sort of an excuse for their bad writing, but also makes their xenophobia and selfishness real interesting. Michelle Quinn is from Northern Ireland, the Grate One’s from Cuba, and Stan Fiala who likes to pretend he’s in “EXILE”, is from cold-war-era Czechoslovakia. He’s actually more interesting than the other two but has this anti-semitism that he has a real hard time keeping under wraps, like when Dr. Strangelove couldn’t keep his arm from doing the Nazi salute.
Now I am confused who is demagog here.
Is demagog the demagog?
Or is Nelson the Demagog?
Can’t determine who is who.
Actually I am anti-gentile, true demagog please stand up for gentiles.
Paradoxically speaking, if demagog Nelson hates Bankers who are 5% non-gentile is he anti-Semitic?
Yes, Vern, my bad writing is due to the fact that I am an immigrant, or is it because I came from a socialist country. Ya know, the type of country you want America to become. Really then, why do we as stupid immigrants, want to fight you, the well educated idiot from destroying your country!
Who then is the educated ignorant fool and who are the wise immigrants!
Ahhh, some of that name-calling and insults that Grating One enjoys so much. Hey Grating One, are you going to appear and call Quinn a liberal?
Here comes “onan”….. what have you been doing in your absence onan?
no quinn makes sense around this out of wack site . far left vern is off his rocker again , anon who ever you are must be his twin , and demo out of his mind i wonder if he has showerd yet from his WALK FORM NY . HEY DEMO WHO BLEW UP THE TOWERS , YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE TOO , one flew over the cukoos nest .
I am new to the playground, so excuse me if I get your names mixed up. So the Great Juan is from Cuba. You should sue Rosetta Stone for what they told you was the English language. Your word salad does qualify you to be a speech writer for Palin(any one of them), but it makes my head hurt. And quit knocking on my door trying to sell me pencils.
Is Quinn really a follower of Ayn Rand ? That is so 9th grade. Does she know that professional wrestling is also a sham?
As for Exile, well maybe we can get along. His people did bring us Pilsner Urquel. And if I drink enough of them, then maybe he and the others will start making sense to me.
Hey, Grating Juan, I didn’t walk back from NY, I took the limo back and threw apple cores out the window the whole way. In about 5 years the will provide free apples for everyone. That’s socialism!
You have a place with us, stranger.
Demagogue,
What 9th grade in private school? You see her as a sham, cause you cannot for the life of you, understand her ideology. You believe in being a parasite and she believes in self reliance. She believes that government oppresses and you want government to oppress you.
Yes, I READ Ayn Rand books and you follow idiots, cause really who can ever want to be oppressed unless someone told you it was a good thing? You need to get out of 9th grade, come join us adults!
Hahaha….Demagogue, the new “Grating Juan” nickname is priceless!
democrap oh you took a limo . you must be rich PAY YOU SHARE .you big lib . i guess you think you are better than everyone , your so smart your a lib . i have a word for you why dont you go down and see your heros hugo and fidel and maybe they will invite you into the cabana prison where you can spend a few years in it . and the pencils i sell you you can write on the walls while your wearing your che shirt . . and then come out when your 80 years old and say oops was i wrong with my thinking .
Remember TGO, you are the one here from thousands of miles away, and you are the one, even without a stellar education, will always be able to pick YOURSELF up of the floor and get on with life. Pathetic and stuck up liberals would never be able to be the man that you are, never. They just don’t have the courage or ability to stand on their own two feet!
Demagogue, is an example of a stuck up brat that makes up Occupy nothing!
Same to you but twice as much! Neener, neener, neener!!
I know that you were trying to sink to her level there, but you’ll have to try harder.
Mr. Diamond, you and anon don’t need to try to sink harder. cause with neener, neener, neener, that’s toddler level, about the same level of intelligence as yourself.
michell thank you that clow has no idea what i do for a living , i have a place of my own , made my way up , these gimme hand me out crowds want gov to take care of them =socialist , they have no idea what its like living in a commi gov . people like you and i are trying to stop this country from going to this type of goverment ,
Somebody call Michelle a waaambulance. What a whiner. Like nobody else here had to do a hard days work. I worked my way through school and now I have a business to call my own.
You think that I am a liberal, which is true, but I’m a very competitive capitalist and understand the greedy part of the human condition. I am all about making money, and I’m good at it. But I think that we need to take care of the common needs that we all have.
Health care, that’s a basic need that shouldn’t be just for the wealthy. And why would the wealthy want to live in a society where their neighbor is coughing up TB balls in the gutter. I want everybody getting healthcare and being healthy. I know that’s selfish but that’s good for my capitalism. Healthy people are good for business. Sick and dead people are bad for business.
And that Ayn Rand drivel that Ms. Potatoe Head promotes goes against human nature. We are greedy and selfish, and “the market” does not self regulate that inherent character trait. The market did not stop BP from killing oil workers and spewing oil all over the gulf. Lack of regulation allowed that to happen. Leaving the market to self regulate is like putting the monkeys in charge of the zoo. It has never worked and it never will.
Taxes, love to pay them because they provide me with things like roads, and cops, and fireman. All are very handy when your trying to run a business and you want to drive somewhere and don’t want some uninsured immigrant running a red light with a car full of empty Bacardi Rum bottles.
We’ve got to have rules and regulations and the best way for that is with a government. Do you want drug lords or the Mafia running the show? Or Somalia pirates? Just because the Republicans put a bunch of failures in gov’t and let them fail at their jobs doesn’t mean that we should abandon government. It means that we should put better people in there and make it work better.
Nicely said. Can’t wait for Quinn’s and Grating Juan’s incisive and substantive rebuttal.
As you rightly point out, Ayn Rand’s notion that if you just let the free market be (apparently this “free market” is a morally-benign force in her world) it will inexorably lead to good flies in the face of the greed and immorality that is part of human nature.
I am not whining demawhack? Why should I? I have everything that I could possibly want in the world. I am just pointing out, that people like yourself have no business correcting others just based on correct grammar and spelling, when you might be able to spell, but obviously due to the fact that you are a liberal, schooling is easy if you can get it, intelligence, not so easy. So though I did not have the fortune of being educated here in the states when education was good, I was born with a nice head on my shoulders; that is why I too have a nice little business and I too am good at making money even without the private education, you worked to get. But really how hard is it to work for at $35 dollar a unit college education and high school is free! Did you go to Harvard?
Health care is free for the poor and the middle class and the rich pay for that….So what is your problem? You can get emergency medical insurance for $85, so how cheap do you want it to be? You want every one to be healthy cause you’re a liberal, liberals just don’t get the fact that a lot of people don’t eat well, they are fat, lazy and could not give too f**** about their health…take it from a nurse who has packed many holes in people because they love their cream cakes with a 600+ blood sugar. Sick and dead people are actually good for business, that’s why CHOC CFO Kim Cripe makes over a million a year, thanks too Caloptima…..Oh, you flea baggers, I truly wonder how you get through the day without hurting yourselves?
The last time I checked I was quite human, and I don’t think Aliens would agree that human beings are at their best when they are self reliant. Your ideology actually goes against human nature; humans have always strived to be better until dictators decided it was better to feed and house the little people to keep them down. Big government is oppressive and you don’t get that, thats why liberals are only 20% in this country and that is why this country strives. Europe on the other hand has million’s of your like and that is why Europe is in very real trouble. I hear the biggest oppressive government of all, just bailed their stupid butts out.
Sorry, nice roads don’t stop illegal immigrants running red lights full of rum bottles, enforcement of immigrant laws does!
No one is saying to abandon government, what I want is for government to get off my back because if you really run a business like I do, you know that workmans comp, liability, hundreds of regulations and paying more Auto insurance to pay for that illegal Alien (thanks to the government) is killing business!
So, the bottom line is that your business must be something that involves having the government pay you….No business man in their right mind, wants bigger government, unless government is important to your business….So what do you do for a living?
reps a bunch of failers , well for starters lets name some failers , starting with the one in office now, nobama , pelosi , frank , reid , carter van jones , we got rules n regulations , yes we do and the goverment does not enforce them = see illegal immigrationwho runs a red light in the truck full of bacardi bottles . . you want to pay more taxes go right ahead . I DONT . nobama care is a total disaster . so there you go for starters anon . i cant wait for your incisive and substantive rebuttal . zzzzzzzzzz
I would just like to clarify something for readers: I’ve spoken to Vern about this and he is absolutely NOT paying conservatives to post comments like the one above in order to discredit conservatism. This is the real thing, folks, in its purest form.
I would consider myself a realist, not a conservative, but I do lean more to conservative thinking than I do liberal thinking (thank God). But he should pay both realists and conservatives to post here, it, torture for the brain to have to try to comprehened the moronic and then to explain common sense to the senseless!
And since liberalism only have about a 20% following in this country, most people are looking at your posts and thinking, “what planet is that dope on”. And I will state to them, the same planet the flea baggers are on, “Planet Crack Head”.
Nothing you said rebuts a single point that Demagogue made. It’s just a bunch of over-generalized, substance-free mumbo-jumbo.
She can’t wait, cause she is bored with the liberal whaaaaaaaaa? We TGO are dildos in their world:)
Based on the incoherent interviews that I have heard, I am convinced that the nations homeless have pulled one over on the media.
Stop watching Fox News, then.
stop watching mshatebc . oh and i guess anon is the judge of the debate . kind of like the judge they had when killed thousand of cubans . i belive the judges name escapes me . it starts with the name of ernesto che something hmmmmmmm
Grate Juan ! We agree on something. MSNBC does promote hate and racism. Not as much as Fix News, but the do put Pat Buchanan on(they make him take the white hood off first) as though he has something useful to say. He thinks that he is so clever, but actually he’s just an ugly reminder of the South. They also amaze me by inviting(paying) former RNC chair Michael Steele to come on and try to be relevant. You know, the guy that acts all hippity hop I wear my ball cap backwards cause I’m so Kool dude. That guy was an embarrassment to the Republican’ts, as now MSNBC.
But please don’t tell me you’re a Murdoch disciple.