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This 75 year old volunteer organization has been called by some as “the miracle of the 20th century.” Three made for TV movies have been made about its founders. Several movies have used this organization as part of their central theme. In Hollywood, they say this organization’s daily meetings is the one of the few places you can catch a glimpse of your favorite Hollywood star. It’s popularity has a multiimillion dollar cottage industry that can help people cope with any “addiction” ranging from narcotic use to sex to pornography.
Yet, behind all of the accolades and platitudes that this organization has received from people and the media over the last 75 years lies a dirty little secret. Allegations of financial fraud, coercion to conform to a set of quasi-religious tenets, rape and sexual assault of women and minor children, practicing medicine without a license, et al. have surfaced within the last several years (25 to be exact). When law enforcement decides to get involved and conducts an investigation of these allegations (mostly the allegations of sexual assault and rape), the members of this organization use the cloak of anonymity and spout platitudes about their organization’s “traditions” to evade the law.
Is it a political party or a secret society that we are talking about here? Not exactly. It’s none other than local law enforcement’s toxic dumping ground for drug, DUI and sexual and domestic violence crimes: Alcoholics Anonymous and their affiliated 12 step groups.
So you may ask me, why are you going after something with such a “squeaky clean” image? AA has helped millions of people throughout its 75 year existence.
I’m not the only one that’s going after the organization. In fact, the General Service Board of AA in 2009 had a committee that addressed these allegations and made recommendations to the General Service Conference of AA to institute some changes to protect minors and vulnerable people from financial and sexual predators in their meeting places.
So how did the GSC respond to the committee report? They didn’t take responsibility and passed it off to the individual groups.
Here’s the committe’s report and GSC’s response:
http://stinkin-thinkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ATTACHMENT_TO_TOPIC_002-PREDATORS.doc.pdf
Here’s another link of local interest. The Dana Point Harbor AA Hardcore Group making their meeting places unsafe for all.
So why do our drug courts and law enforcement think it’s OK to place minors in meetings that are populated with adults who are sexual or financial predators? Or why do our courts mandate people go to this group’s meetings that have a decided religious (and overtly Christian bent) to them when their may be other drug and alcohol treatment options that are not based on the 12 steps or religious beliefs. Non-sectarian groups such as SMART Recovery, Women for Sobriety and Save Our Selves come to mind.
In a future post, I will interview a woman who was a 36 year member of AA that has decided to expose the allegations of sexual, emotional and financial abuse behind the walls of this “benevolent” and “compassionate” organization. I will also be profiling stories of local people who have been victims of abuse by members of this organization. The 2007 Newsweek story exposing the Midtown Group of AA in the Washington DC, which has links to the Pacific Group in Venice Beach, was only the beginning (http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/05/06/a-struggle-inside-aa.html)
If you know of someone who was affected by predators in AA or other 12 step groups, I encourage you to visit the blog: http://stop13stepinaa.wordpress.com or email the administrator of the blog at makeaasafer@gmail.com or info@mysaferecovery.com. The creator of this blog is also filming a documentary that will expose the truth about AA and how our justice system is in bed with the 12 step drug treatment industry. If you know someone that would be would be interested in telling their story, please email them as well.
The time has come to let our legal system know what this organization is all about and quit sending people, especially minors, to an organization that is filled with sick and violent people. This organization has been given a free pass in the press and media outlets for far too long.
Sounds to me like you had a fight with your sponsor GF. Unable to score nickel bags at Northwood High? Come to Santa Ana. You can buy easily because our city council just says crime is down here. Has Vern talked about his experience with AA yet? Let’s get the perspective from someone this group has helped, for now.
Can they help me if I am sick and have an urge to place picture Adolf Hitler in every of my leftist posts?
Hitler would be in recovery if not for WWII
I got sober in AA, I still go to one meeting a week, not a cult-like one. I have a serious problem with preditors in AA and the growing trend to hold women responsible for being sexually assulted, as well as the sponsor-as-God syndrome. I believe it was Bill Wilson who wrote that AA could learn from its critics, but when AA is criticized the reaction is put-downs and insults. That really isn’t appropriate debate. Just because people come to AA and get sober doesn’t mean that AA helps everyone, or that AA has no flaws and is above any questioning. I welcome the people who question AA because if the organization can stand on its own merits it will be just fine, if flaws being pointed out bring a better AA, or even destroy what we currently know of as AA then that must have a purpose also. I believe in helping people, not adding to the misery alcohol and/or drug abuse has already brought into their lives.
Yes there are sick people there (they are everywhere-newsflash) but there are also many more people there who are trying to do better with and save their lives. This organization has saved MANY lives. There are kids meetings – minors whould not be at an adult meeting.
Lysa Ray I disagree. 13 stepping is at an all time high.
Rapes are happening, murder, never mind the culty crap. After 36 years in AA I left . Now I read the CHapter 5 and I am disgusted. Most of it is a lie. I am not like a man who loses his legs and never grows new ones. That is fucking insane and I am so made I drank the Koolaid for this many years.
What about my post do you disagree with? You said you disagree with what I said but went off in a tangent not even talking about what I said.
There are not kids meetings. Who are you kidding. Teens are sitting in meetings with adults. Sick Predators are coming to AA meetings and many Sexual Predators are not even alcoholic. They are not there to get sober. Just to prey on the kids. The Minors. There needs to be rules like The Boys & Girls Club of AMerica. The Boy Scouts even has rules for this idiotic behavior. Its criminal. And AA members sit knowing it’s going on and do nothing. AA people are mostly wimps. about 90% have NO VOICE. NO GUTS. NO inner strength. Why? Cause they believe that crap they read in the book and listen to Chapter 5 over & over again which is very demeaning.
There are meeting JUST for underage kids. At least in Orange County there are.
I dunno what meetings you went to…but in my many many years I never saw anyone go after a minor. Sick people- yes….13 step yes – but not with minors
Keeper’s son was molested, raped and murdered by his AA sponsor in 2001. Her story will be told in my documentary. AA is filled with sick people…yes there are a few nice folks….however because of the history of Bill W 13 steping as he did, it was never addressed. The NYGSO is still doing nothing. One Board member tried to address it. They made a little sub committee that has done nothing.
Me and a group did more then they have. They are a joke. ANd they are all liable as Board members of a Non Profit Corporation!
Read the law and the constitution. AA is not above the law.
Its Golden days are over.
Find yourself a sponsor, Fawkes, or a better one who can help you get your head out of you ass and back under your tin foil hat where it obviously belongs. But, keep comin’ back…
Maybe he doesnt want to keep coming back. Don’t you know that phrase is a cliche?
Do you ask your sponsor everything? Can I do this? can I do that?
Are you a grown man?
Do you know why AA members will longterm sobriety still have low self esteem. Because AA is set up that way.
I love it when the 12 steppers react in their snide and condescending ways when someone calls their sacred patron saints Bill Wilson, the Bernie Madoff of the early 20th century, and Dr. Bob Smith complete bullshit artists. “Oh, you are killing alcoholics with your anti-AA rhetoric!” No, your organization has done a fine job of that for the last 75 years by turning our drug treatment industry and drug policy over to a quasi-religious philosophy that is comprised of nothing but a bunch of faith healing quackery. Yet, when someone like Stanton Peele has the cajones to say your program is a bunch of crap and ineffective…you come back with an AA cliche?
“Keep coming back, it works?” Oh, I’m sure you taught me and others who have laughed at your stupid “program” a “real” lesson. Your program, which is up there with the Moonies, Scientology and Moral Re-Armament, the latter being the same quacks that brought the world “Up With People.” How about “think for yourselves?” Oh no, that would be too dangerous since if people in AA actually did that, their numbers would dwindle. Then again, they already are dwindling.
What are you steppers going to do? Beat me up since I am criticizing your “sacred” program and calling it out for what it is? The Newsweek expose on Midtown AA was only the beginning.
Oh Bullshit Massiive.
I sense this indignance coming from you that AA is full of , drunks, sexual predators, and other unsavory individuals……….no duh!
Thats like saying you hate church because it’s full of sinners, which is the exact same reason I like to go.
As with any group that is made UP OF PEOPLE, you’re bound to have horror stories of terrible incidents and occurences. You might, just as well, been describing the Republican Party Central Committee.
The sad fact is, a lot of the people in AA are “victims”, and it takes them twelve long hard steps , to finally acknowledge “it’s their own damn fault , now get over it”. Many of the people NEVER get there, but the program has helped millions and millions of people. Thanks for reminding us that a few messed up individuals should make us question the validity of the entire movement.
I have seen people just exchange their addiction to alcohol or drugs, for their addiction to meetings and calls to their sponsers, but hell, at least they’re sober for awhile.
Fawkes if you really want to “Save the World”…….air out that smoke filled room and find another cause……
No it has not helped Millions. AA has been declining since 2000. I was an insider and you can follow the money to see the decline and even many meetings in LA are NO LONGER there. The Pacific Group once 900 is now 500-600. It s no longer packed and full with cult members.
Todays youth is smarter then I was. I am so glad.
http://www.stop13stepinaa.wordpress.com
“But at least they are sober” gericault? Really? Sounds like someone’s been drinking the 12 step publicity Kool Aid for far too long. How’s those 12 steps working for you while you are living at home with your parents or sitting in your meeting wallowing in your past and afraid to go out into the real world and get a real job. Oh that’s right….”progress not perfection” or you must be…..”powerless.” So how’s your “progress” going as you suck down your 5th pack of cigarettes for the day and drinking that 19th cup of coffee while living in your daydream world that maybe one day your economic situation is going to improve.
Oh wait I forgot. You must be powerless and it’s one addiction at a time. God will miraculously find a way for you to support yourself and you have to look at your part in your situation. Yes, that’s the gospel of fools.
I thought I pegged you for someone that possessed some critical thinking skills with the ability to think on their own feet and wouldn’t fall into line with conformist, self defeatist groupthink that you love to criticize in others. But I guess I must be wrong. You must love the self defeatist rhetoric which explains why you still in the economic situation that you are in.
Oh, “but at least they are sober!” That’s the best you can come up with? Never mind the emotional, physical and sexual abuses that some people went through in the rooms. Must be their fault, huh gericault? How about the members dispensing medical advice to vulnerable people to place their blind faith in the 12 steps and get off their medication?
And what about the people who were dispensed this advice and defied a medical professional’s orders that ended up committing suicide. “Oh, but at least they are sober!” Or did they “not work the Steps hard enough”? Or could it be that 12 Step programs….oh I don’t know….. DO NOT WORK!!!!. They are as “effective” as the quack reparative therapy programs that Christian fundamentalists like Exodus International have been peddling to “cure” homosexuality (aka “the pray the gay away” technique) The tenets of AA are very similar if you take a close look at the 12 steps and their roots in religious fundamentalism.
I suppose these people need to find their part in the rape or abuse inflicted upon them and overlook the crimes that was unwillingly committed upon them. It must be OK with you that our legal system and the drug courts sentence people to a program that has heavy religious undertones to it. “Oh, but at least they are sober!” Or maybe they didn’t “work the steps” hard enough? These are the responses of know nothing fools. The fools that you love to criticize ad nauseum while you are sitting behing your laptop at your mom’s home praying for a real job to drop in your lap.
And if AA is so successful, then explain to me why do they only a 5% success rate when it comes to recovery from alcoholism? 5% is the same success rate as alcoholics get from doing no program and getting no help. And why is it that harm reduction and self empowerment strategies like CBT, promoted by SMART Recovery, are more successful in helping people with their addictions than the outdated 12 Steps? Or why is our legal system is hell bent on sending people to a program that has dismal recovery rates?
Got an AA/anti-intellectual slogan you want to throw my way here? God going to do for you what you can’t do for yourself?
You, the hypocrite who cried for the janitor who committed suicide in Costa Mesa. I’m surprised you didn’t come out and ask “what his part” in the suicide was.
As far as you other 12 step Kool Aid drinking fools. Charlie Sheen is abosultely right. It’s a quack cult dealing in 75 year old quack medicine.
But I suppose the 5% must be “God’s chosen people,” right? That must explain their Frank Buchman influence. (You got Google. Look him up)
See it for yourself: http://www.orange-papers.org
30 years ago I spoke at the Midtown AA meeting it was a huge meeting seemed a little rah rah for me. I was saddened to hear about abuse and cult following. I my 36 years of sobriety I have never heard of any cult meetings in Baltimore.
I do know 12 stepping goes on. AA allowed me to grow up find a spiritual life and to be the best I can be. My life is immeasurably better because of it.
Edwin, how are those 12 steps working for your drinking and anger management problems? Oh wait, I forgot! You’re “powerless” over your addiction/”disease”!!! Guess how long the AA card/excuse is going to carry water.
It’s the same excuse that these sickos use to rape and abuse women and minors that they meet in their meetings. “Oh, I’m powerless over my addiction so I went ahead and forced this woman to have sex with me!”
Or do you AAers prefer to liken rape to your 2nd step “Came To Believe?”
AA is an ancient crazy ass program that needs to be shut down when it comes to minors. Sexual Predators abound. 3 level sex offenders & violent criminals are being sent. See http://www.stinkin-thinkin.com
But even without them, the oldtimers with 20 years are preying on new vulnerable members. Run while you can. Get out and go to Smart REcovery or SOS , or WFS, or go for a swim!
AA is a dangerous cult. I do not know why anyone joins it. Perhaps it is that the majority chose to go their in preference to a jail sentence. But why would anyone go on a voluntary basis? None of it makes any sense. There are a lot of options for someone suffering from an alcohol problem.
I agree! see http://www.orange-papers.org Know The Truth about AA.
Clearly, not all the nut cases are AA members.
Is trashing the method by which most recovering alcoholics remain sober and function well in society the best use of your time you can come up with?
There are a thousand meetings a week in this area, full of members doing well when they were absolute messes drinking. What’s your beef with that, and furthermore, why should anyone take your obvious mania and paranoia seriously?
If you know someone breaking the law, I suggest the right thing to do is to discuss it with the police. In fact you’re wrong not to do that.
If alcoholics are staying sober in AA, and they are locally by the 10s of thousands, I suggest that continuing result is too important for society for you to interfere with it. Even if it bothers you a lot that so many stay sober that way.
Find a way to live with it.
When AAers have gone to the police about these incidents, why is it that AA members operate under a “code of silence” aka “anonymity” and seek to protect their members and not cooperate with law enforcement when these allegations rear their ugly heads? Can you explain that one to me?
“…the method by which most recovering alcoholics remain sober” A organization with a 5% success rate when 5% of people quit on their own? Really? Where’s your proof?
“they are (staying sober) locally by the 10s of thousands” Once again, where’s your proof?
“Find a way to live with it.” Oh yes, let’s ignore everything that has gone on there and say that they are isolated incidents. And yet, the organization has done nothing to curtail these incidents. That’s your answer, eh? “Find a way to live with it?” Should I say to you if your house gets burned down by an arsonist “find a way to live with it?”
Well, I suppose your alcoholic Editor should chime in.
I don’t want to discourage anyone out there with an addiction problem from trying AA. It obviously seems to work for a lot of people. Remember though that it’s full of people who by definition have problems, some of them may try to take advantage of you in your weakened state, some of them are predatory.
And if that’s a problem, or if it’s too RELIGIOUS for you, there are alternatives, many of them mentioned on this comments thread.
It was not MY cup of tea, but check it for yourselves.
Vern —
Quit being reasonable in your tone and assessments!
Well said Vern.
Guy, if you know someone is doing a bad thing, tell the cops. Or you could crusade against places where people congregate and where a very few do the bad things.
Santa Ana stadium comes to mind.
Why don’t you and massive see if you can shut it down.
In the meantime, some of these thousand meetings http://www.simeetings.com/LA/OC/Orange+Mtgs.html
have been going on for over 50 years, helping countless people stay sober who could not live without drinking and suffering. If you didn’t know before, now you know.
Is it your desire to see them close down to make you feel a little bit better about whatever your malfunction is?
Think it’s going to happen? Or, are you just crying for attention and searching for meaning in your life?
You couldn’t have made a worse choice of a cause to rally against. Every man/woman sober and functioning well in their lives because they found recovery through AA in each of those meetings refutes you and haters like you ther more with every passing day.
This crusade to shut down AA was already lost long before you were ever born. Every sober person recoverying and adding to their lives and the lives of others is walking proof you failed, and they are not going to disappear. They’ve each tapped into a power far greater than Guy, and it’s working well for them even if that displeases people like yourself.
Adjust to the facts and try not to get overheated about what you cannot change.
sorry. you are wrong!
It’s kinda funny that “Guy” is bashing anonymity while writing under a pen name … Hahaha!!!!
The problem with AA is that it doesn’t work as a substance abuse program. In every comparative study ever carried out, it has performed worse than the control. AA no longer takes part in such studies. I wonder why? I keep hearing that AA has ‘helped millions of people’. Where are these people. Surely it should have 100s of millions of members by now. Did they all die of emphysema? Of the 1.8 million who attend AA, half are there to avoid jail, most of the rest of churn, and that leaves a few true believers, who get their dubious status there, and a large number who make their living out of peddling this snake oil, as ‘counsellors’ or ‘sober home’ owners.
If it didn’t kill so many people (who records the numerous suicides?) it would be comedic.
One right here! AA saved my live at the age of 21. Taught me how to be a person, that you dont have to drink to have fun, and how to set boundaries with people….how to live life. All the things my parents never taught me. I also know many others that are in high places whose lives have been changed.
Some research says it is effective, and some say it isn’t. I notice you’re anxious to talk about only one side of the coin and ignore the other, but you must have your reasons for that. Really sorry about your studies, but I can explain that for you. The requests for info are trashed by most members upon receipt. We aren’t interested in being counted.
If you want to see people newly sober, others sober a while, and others a long time, AA is where we are en masse. In almost every little burg throughout the States and very close by in almost all parts of the globe.
Sounds like you’re not interested, and that’s great. We’ll continue to help those who are interested. We do that not for money or status (why would you guess it would be those things that motivate us, hmm?) but instead because someone gave us their time and help early on. Hard to understand I know.
Probably easiest to save yourself a brainstrain and pretend the sober millions worldwide are not really there, and all the meetings are empty and no one is staying sober, not even those who have blown their anonymity in the media over many decades. Your views are correct only if everyone else is lying. Or maybe in reality it’s the other way around.
Why do AA haters believe the world is obligated to deny AA works, when almost everyone has friends or family who have been staying happily sober for many years doing AA? Is there any good reason we should shift to your crazy perception of reality and deny these people are actually in our lives? Will they all vaporize if we do that?
fyi, hate groups are full of hateful people. They hang together, feel somewhat blended in and having the illusion of normalcy they can spew the most crazy and vile things to each other without being called on it. That changes when they are out in the real world. They quickly get called on their shit.
Hate, prejudice, anger, cruelty and bigotry will not serve you well. But if this is your path, then you have no choice but to sink into it deeply. Better you than me.
The Orange Paper is a bunch of crap written by someone who never truly understood sobriety nor wanted it. Let me break it down:
Step 1 – We admitted we were powerless over alcohol, that our lives had become unmanageable…the authors desciption completely misses the point. What it means is that you are powerless when you drink and your life is a complete mess. Lets be frank – you don’t end up in AA because your life is peaches & cream! It is just that simple and certainly does not warrant paragraphs about it’s meaning.
Step 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. What this means is that obviously the drinker has made a mess of their lives (again or they would not be there) and to let go of things they cannot control instead of obsessively thinking over and over about something they cannot control….thereby restoring them to sanity. It should be noted here that your higher power can be a door knob if you want.
Step 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. This goes hand in hand with step 2, let things go and they work out. Most alcoholics were never taught that things in their lives always work out with or without your help and infact your help usually makes things worse….when you are a drunk.
Step 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. This step is crucial and probably the main reason why most dont last in AA…because they are not completely honest. This is about YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET in circumstances where you have caused harm. Sometimes things are not your cause, and it gives the alcoholic the opportunity to realize that it was not their doing however alcoholics cause a lot of harm to the families, friends and others around them as a result of the things they did not cause in their childhood. If they are truly honest on this step, they will be able to see their own faults and work on them by making amends to people for their part.
Step 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. This is where you admit to yourself and someone else your step 4 list, usually with your sponsor and they are able to help you see your side of the street. Again, it is up to the alcoholic how honest they are.
Step 6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
God or higher power or a door knob…..whatever you choose. Mostly I think the alcoholic is asking themselves for forgiveness for the harm they caused and to not do it anymore.
Step 7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Same as above
Step 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. This step is also just as crucial…this is where the alcoholic owns up to the things they have done and apologizes to those they have harmed. It is very important and anyone who thinks they have harmed no one drinking alcoholicly is ignorant.
Step 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. Make your apologies, also crucial = unless it would harm someone else i.e. tell your spouse you cheated on them when they had no idea…..that is your guilt to keep and make amends for by being a better person and spouse.
Step 10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. All this means is when something comes up in life for example an argument, look at your side of the street and apologize for your actions.
Step 11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. I wlll admit this is probably the hardest for non religous – just take the word God out… What this means is sit still and let people be who they are and help others
Step 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. This does not mean recruit as the Orange Paper would have you believe. It means get out of yourself, help others that need help and in turn you end up feeling better about yourself and your life.
Wow!
Lysa, I checked out the orange papers. I’ve read about an hour and a half so far and can’t beleive it. I finally am having a clearer understanding about AA is about and had my feelings validated. That is sobering information. While I found you spewing nonsense information about mending fencing and keeping my street clean (nothing of alcoholism or how to treat it), Orange explains the history of AA with actual citings. The topics are very interesting. I can’t wait to finish reading!
http://orange-papers.org/menu1.html
*BBC America just had a very cool program with Nicky Taylor….called: Should I do dope? It was very telling about how THC can cause skitso and psychotic behavior..being an extreme downer….especially in “Home Farmed Hydrids” which takes the normal 3 to 4% from natural sources up to 15% THC. “Downer Stoned” tends to be the result. Cannabisnoid and THC at the standard rates tends to have
the exact opposite effects….Giddy, Laughing and uncontrollable humor. The study
was done in Britiain at the most reputable research lab. But don’t believe us…just
take a peek……at the program and think for yourself. Additionally, “Life of Brian”
was on last night too. The message: Think for yourself!
Each meeting in AA has it’s own character. The responsiblity of each persons actions is thier own.
Most people who come to a meeting are not there because they have a life free of problems, they come with many different issues.
AA is not designed to work for those who are not willing or able to take the steps laid out above, so if a court orders someone to go they are less likley to be willing to tkae these steps than someone who came for help.
AA meetings are public and nothing charged above ever happened at any meeting I was at. This is not to say that it may not happen outside a meeting and involve people who were there. If you go to any meeting Church meeting, community meeting etc, nothing is likely to happen there either. But it may happen after the meeting with someone who attended.
AA meeting do attract people who already have problems who have tried to solve thier problems by drinking or useing and found that they have added an addiction problem on top of thier other issues.
If someone goes to a meeting and sees something happen that is illegal they are responcsible to report it to the proper authorities. Like in your neighborhood, if something is wrong it is up to you to call, not the head of the neighborhood association or the person down the street.
AA, NA, OA are designed to help those who want help and often does provide valuable support.
I’ll never go to an alcoholics anonymous or narcotics anonymous meeting AGAIN…….unless of course:
I want someone to tell me I’ll die of alcoholism unless I come back.
I want someone to tell me I have to pray and what I should pray for.
I want someone to call me names such as a “dry drunk” or “selfish”.
I want my own physical body brushed up against in a sexual nature.
I want strangers that aren’t professionals and have no training to lecture me on how I should live.
Spiritual abuse, sexual abuse, threats, intimidation can all be practiced at any meeting because no one is officially in charge. You have random, anonymous people that claim they have the answers to sobriety but don’t give any fundamental support. They only support you if claim you are powerless and are helpless without them.
It’s time for change.
The fact that NA Daytona and AA Daytona encourage minors to attend meetings
in Holly Hill Fl and Daytona Beach fl along with sexually violent felons and prostitutes
show that they are only interested in expanding their base and have no interest in protecting the vulnerable. In Sunrise Park Holly Hill, The Next Step,Serenity By The Sea and More Will Be Revealed Groups show total disregard for the pleas of the community to find suitable places to protect the children playing in the parks,and other citizens that have had their lives threatened by Daytona AA/NA members.City of Holly Hill Commissioners or police chief have failed to give relief to the multiple citizen complaints.
http://www.nadaytona.org
It can be a doorknob, but I’m supposed to turn my life and will over to it?