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We all have a crazy uncle or aunt, or nephew or niece – like Ross Perot said in a far-fetched analogy to the deficit, “the crazy maiden aint up in our attic.” In Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior’s case, I hope there are enough angels in heaven to distract him each time his niece Alveda opens her fat retarded mouth:
Yes, the King progeny just said that:
- Heterosexual marriage is society’s most reliable way to produce more children;
- Same-sex marriage is on its way to being accepted and legalized;
- Hence, there will be no more procreation and humanity will go extinct.
- (I guess somewhere in the middle there, heterosexual marriage and sex itself must have been abolished.)
Still, Alveda is not a whole lot worse than our own local Congressional candidate Van Tran. We amused ourselves last week, and engendered some controversy, responding to his Prop 8 statement in our first installment of “Van Tran, You Moron.” Little did we know that the version he sent to his Vietnamese fans was different from what he sent out in English to the rest of us. (h/t Prevatt and Bolsavik)
As the Bolsavik detailed, there were three things Van only felt comfortable telling his fellow Viets (and when are these guys gonna learn that we eventually hear everything?) :
- Judge Walker made this decision because he is gay, works in Gay San Francisco, and was obviously pressured by the homosexual lobby. This is offensive beneath response – implying female judges can’t objectively render decisions on gender discrimination, black or Latino or Asian judges can’t objectively render decisions on racial bias, and so on.
- His opponent Loretta Sanchez is “in favor of abortions and gay marriage.” In fact, while Loretta is pro-choice and backs “LGBT civil rights,” NOBODY is in favor of abortion. This may be a semantic quibble to some of you, but it’s interesting that Van thought only Viets would be receptive to this simplistic mud-slinging.
- To his Viet readers, but ONLY to them, Van Tran pledges to support the appeal of Judge Walker’s decision – i.e. to attempt to once again make same-sex marriage illegal.
Well, Viet readers, is Van correct to assume that you are more likely to be homophobic and anti-choice than we non-Viets are? The Liberal OC finds that assumption racist on Van’s part, and I tend to agree with them. What say you?
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Meanwhile we equality fans wait with bated breath to see whether or not Judge Walker will deny the stay on his decision – that is, whether our gay friends can once again commence to marrying the person they love. Both our current Governor (Arnold Schwarzenegger) and our next Governor (Attorney General Jerry Brown) have filed motions asking the Court to allow marriages to resume. A decision on that is expected any day, and Orange Juice readers will be the first to know when it comes down.
Oh that’s right, it’s not quite a done deal that Jerry Brown will be our next Governor; there is still the little problem of thick-necked billionairess Meg Whitman and her bushels of cash that will not be denied. Queen Meg has stated in the past that she supports Prop 8, not that she felt strongly enough to have voted on it, and is weakly saying now that “we should allow the legal process to take its full course,” which would presumably allow her enough time to grow a stronger opinion on whether or why one out of ten Californians should not be allowed to marry the person they love.
I’m sure that, given the way she has targeted her millions to aim divergent immigration messages at Latino voters and her xenophobic GOP base, Her Thick-Necked Majesty would love to do the same thing on marriage equality … but HOW? Gay billboards in a gay language to be placed alongside gay highways, without being detected by homophobic voters? I think we will just have to envision those for her.
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Finally, to cleanse that creepy feeling you still may have from watching Alveda King dishonor the legacy of her uncle in the service of bigotry, you should watch True Conservative Ted Olson, who argued the case against Proposition 8 in front of Judge Walker, defend Walker’s decision on Fox News:
Sign here to thank Mr Olson for his hard work.
The Other
The King Family has to put up with a lot. I have an awful sister-in-law that makes King’s niece look intelligent!
LOL…. Assassinations, cretinous relations, where will it end?
“distract him each time his niece Alveda opens her fat retarded mouth:”
MQ says:
You really are a nasty liberal bastard, are you not? She has the right to say what ever she wants you f&^& Pi%.
She may be fat, but she can lose the weight, you on the other hand will always be an ugly bast#$% no matter what!
Her uncle being the brilliant man that he was fought a peaceful fight so that she could have the right to speak!
You are nothing but a spoiled anger brat, who cannot tolerate someone having an opposed view of you. I am against gay marriage only for one reason. The fact that liberal pr$%S like yourself would use it to attacked religious institutions opposed to same sex marriage. You and your intolerant screwed up views is why this country and even this world right now is in such turmoil.
I can’t stand liberals. I try really I do and then I meet one like you and say, “f*&K it” “let the bastard have it!”.
Mrs. King you have the right to speak because this is America and it is not ruled by picks like Vern! Your
You probably won’t print this, but if you do… F&*^ YOU!
You bring out the worst in people. You are a true liberal!
As Ms Raza stated regarding Bloomberg “a bleeding heart white liberal”
I forgot: WANKER!
Michelle, is it okay with you if my gay friend Jeff marries his long time partner? Is it okay with you and Alveda? Oh please, please?
Never mind. You guys are the true wankers.
Boom ……Vern exploded another trolls head…….no loss, there wasn’t anything but hatred and bile in it…..
Still, it’s getting hazardous around here … trying to skirt all these exploded troll brains without slipping and sustaining an injury…
Here’s a scenario:
The world’s (huge) human population is in danger of becoming extinct:
Only two women are left for reproducing –Alveda King and Michelle Quinn:
Only ONE man is left–a true liberal……………How will mankind ever survive?
(Hint: There is no lack of beer in this scenario)
Beer. But I notice you didn’t say “beer goggles.”
Gericault… It was not hatred but frustration for a lack of respect! It’s disgusting behavior to call a woman FAT and RETARDED because of her view. I listen to liberals all day, but allow them to spew their ridiculous ideology because even the dumb and the ignorant should have their say!
If you want to see a troll you only need to look in the mirror. Your eyes are the window to your soul! BOOM!
“it’s getting hazardous around here … trying to skirt all these exploded troll brains without slipping and sustaining an injury…”
MQ says:
Your mouth is the hazard! I suggest you shut it and maybe you will not slip on the shit coming out of it! BOOM!
“Here’s a scenario:
The world’s (huge) human population is in danger of becoming extinct:
Only two women are left for reproducing –Alveda King and Michelle Quinn:
Only ONE man is left–a true liberal……………How will mankind ever survive?
(Hint: There is no lack of beer in this scenario)”
MQ says:
If we where the only women left to reproduce you would have really good looking, intelligent and well adjusted kids and a happy man.
Some now I have the opinion that any one who is having Sex with you must being hitting the Vodka very hard! If you have not noticed conservative women are very good looking, liberal women…Well you got to see to believe!
If I am left with one liberal man to reproduce…thats ok, I will just put a paper bag over his head and tell him to shut his mouth… BOOM!
Tell you gay friend Vern that when the ACLU is not around then gay marriage might just be in the stars… until then, I suggest you tell him to do what i did for ten years “LIVE TOGETHER”.
BOOM!
Unlike you Vern ( are you still on the wagon? ). Drinking does nothing for me, but numb my brain. I can see why you hit the alcohol… It”s your conscience trying to tell you something!
Thats enough, that is enough… I am over it, because I know Mrs king is above you all!
Her love of the fetus is matched only by her hatred for homosexuals. With Alveda abortion is genocide, gay marriage is genocide, teaching of evolution in schools is genocide, … everything is genocide, except genocide.
Yeah, twisted personal histories going on with a lotta these people too. You saw the pic I chose as a “featured image” with Alveda “regretting her abortion.” Well, get over it. Most people who had an abortion at least partly regret it. But there was usually good reason, and you haven’t earned the right to take that right away from others. And it doesn’t mean that all human life is now first and foremost about procreation.
Baxter,
“The fit should have babies the unfit should not” Margaret Sanger!
Sounds like wanting genocide to me!
You liberals love to pick and choose who should live and who should die. She does not HATE homosexuals, she probably does not know any. Like most religious people homosexuality is not exactly advocated by the bible. So you liberals want to tramp over the religious beliefs of Men and Women to cater to homosexuals ( not all homosexuals want to marry). Evolution is just a theory, just as intelligent design is. Both should be taught in schools but of course the liberal brats want only THEIR theory of course.
Liberals are only 20% of this nation because of their ridiculous, unjust and uncommon ideology. I being more like Margaret Sanger am not against abortion because you cannot stop stupid women doing stupid acts. Abortion without a doubt kills a human being, but I like to think the little one was better off dead! I just wish the left who love killing babies so much would come up with a better idea of exterminating children!
How about gassing them and then shooting them in the head…They won’t know what hit them!
As far as homosexuals getting married “Its just not logical”..
As far as homosexuals getting married, it’s none of your goddamned business.
Beginning and end of story.
“The fit should have babies the unfit should not” Margaret Sanger!
I don’t know where you found that quote and if Snager really said that, Michelle, but one thing I notice is it was probably a century ago and it wasn’t Loretta Sanchez, Melissa Fox, me, baxter, or Debbie Tharp. So look to US for good quotes.
“Liberals are only 20% of this nation because of their ridiculous, unjust and uncommon ideology.” Another easily-found example of a homophobe making up their own stats.
The current reality is:
25% are republican
25% are democrat
And the other 50% are independent, some Green Party, some Peace and Freedom party, some Libertarian.
On November 4, 2008 68.8 million people voted for Obama and the change we fight for.
These facts do not back up your proclamation.
Next, you are gonna tell me what “most Americans want”, right?
BOOM!
And bigots like Quinn love to pick and choose which verses of Leviticus to pay attention to.
AND what parts of the Constitution are just the bees’ knees versus the problem parts that suck
Quinn should keep having more babies. And sooner or later the law of averages ( oops!–the theory of averages) will bear fruit, and she will spawn a homosexual child. So keep up the breedin’, ’cause you’re bound to have a non-hetero cutie-pie, Michelle! Then let us know how that plays in QuinnWorld!
yes, odds favor a Queern.
“I don’t know where you found that quote and if Snager really said that, Michelle, but one thing I notice is it was probably a century ago and it wasn’t Loretta Sanchez, Melissa Fox, me, baxter, or Debbie Tharp. So look to US for good quotes.”
MQ says:
Its SANGER the founder of Planned Parent Hood… Other words known as “eugenics galore”.
Margaret Sanger was a progressive and they have not changed a bit… Still evil baskets!
“And bigots like Quinn love to pick and choose which verses of Leviticus to pay attention to.”
MQ says:
No I pay particular attention to quotes like ”
“The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!”
Or
“Never forget that the most sacred right on this earth is mans right to have the earth to till with his own hands, the most sacred sacrifice the blood that a man sheds for this earth….”
– Adolf Hitler Sounds like an Environmentalist!
“And bigots like Quinn love to pick and choose which verses of Leviticus to pay attention to.”
MQ says:
You are not an ass hole because of your color. You are an ass hole because you choose to be! I don’t know What your color is, nor does it matter. What matters is that you are a wanker. So if I am a bigot because I cant stand wankers, then the appropriate wording would be a “wanker bigot”.
“Quinn should keep having more babies. And sooner or later the law of averages ( oops!–the theory of averages) will bear fruit, and she will spawn a homosexual child.”
MQ says;
I don’t care if my child is a homosexual just as long as they are conservative! I only want smart kids, that is all I ask… My tommy having a snog with peter does not bother me. If my kid wears a CHE tee, well his ass is grass!
I will be sure to let you know if my tommy loves to dance and sings Diana Rose songs!
” Even the dull and the ignorant should have their say” Man, if only we could just shut them up for a while!
So Quinn, will we see your gay conservative child being profiled in the sequel to “Outrage” where he keeps his/her sexual orientation in the closet while voting against civil rights legislation for LGBT people? That’s what Washington needs. Another David Drier or….dare I say it….Larry Craig!
Hope your kid’s toe tapping skills are useful in the airport bathroom stalls. Besides, isn’t that where you think gays belong anyway?
Wearing into each other in public whether it is a hetro/homo couple is just plain TACKY!
So I hope my child if he is gay keeps it on the down low!
“Hope your kid’s toe tapping skills are useful in the airport bathroom stalls. Besides, isn’t that where you think gays belong anyway?”
MQ says:
Anyone who seeks love in the bathroom has more problem than just his sexual orientation!
Getting picked on is not a matter of who you are its how you defend yourself. whether you are gay or a red head, you are going to get it from pricks (no pun intended). My kid happens to be a red head so I signed him up for Karata classes and he already know’s how to kick ass if he needs too!
So if gays are worried about being attacked… I suggest karata!
@Michelle Q:
Amazing . . . I agree with your overall sentiment here in this immediate comment above . . .(nortnecessarily the others), with the way you stated it, and revised with my own opinions.
PDA – PUBLIC Displays of Affection of the EXTREME kind should be more PRIVATE especially around minors.
“Anyone who seeks love in the bathroom has more problem than just his sexual orientation!”
So True . . . the unfortunate thing is the hypocritical stand of some of our politicians.
“So if gays are worried about being attacked… I suggest karatE!”
But, I would add to that if equal rights and equal protections of our US Constitution are ensured for all, and tolerance is taught, then there is no need for Karate.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan (my opinions only and not those of any group.
By the way: If you have not noticed I am very outspoken and not afraid to share my views and my children are the same!
Cheers!
“So if gays are worried about being attacked… I suggest karatE!”
But, I would add to that if equal rights and equal protections of our US Constitution are ensured for all, and tolerance is taught, then there is no need for Karate.”
MQ says:
Mr.F…. You either are a saint or a really good leftist!
1. No matter what, kids will fight and the stupid will be stupid. The fact that someone was born to love the same gender is not something to be afraid of. But, I believe Marriage was intended for a man and a woman. Now I might be inclined to over look this and see gay marriage as simply two people who want to get married. But alas there is an agenda in play. The left is ATTACKING religion.
This is an attack on the fact that many churches see homosexuality as a crime against God. I tend to believe that God makes no mistakes and therefore I have no problem with homosexuality. A lot of people do! I think that gays should respect the views of many and allow marriage to stay an institution between a man and a woman. I though strongly believe that a gay couple should have all the rights of marriage in a civil union.
You see the agenda is not to just have a union, it is to crush the beliefs of others and there will be groups like the horrible ACLU that will sue and intimidate churches and other places of worship who do not believe in gay marriage. Forcing them through the courts to preform act contrary to their beliefs.
“The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!”
Its very socialist do you not think!
…Now I might be inclined to over look this and see gay marriage as simply two people who want to get married. But alas there is an agenda in play. The left is ATTACKING religion.
This is lame. If there’s any truth to that. it could be immediately neutralized by RELIGIONS JUST F-N STOPPING STICKING THEIR NOSES INTO WHO MARRIES WHOM.
And you got no business in that either, Quinny, and neither do I.
oh ps. of course there’s always the ignorance when it comes to you. I just saw that you think Churches will have to marry gays if they don’t want to – NO they won’t.
Why not abolish marriage licenses altogether and get the government out of the marriage business? I have always said if the No on 8 campaign would have came out in support of this, they would have received the support of some libertarian leaning people who want small, limited government and defeated Prop 8. It definitely would have exposed the religious conservatives as hypocrites since they their their Constitutional limited government rhetoric ad nauseum.
Besides, why should the state get money from me so I can be with the one that I love?
Well, see, you and I can throw around interesting theoretical things like that. But if you look around in real life, most people fall in love and want to get married. And it’s such an easy call that the Government/Majority shouldn’t be telling them that it’s gotta be someone of the opposite sex.
@ MQ says:
“Mr.F…. You either are a saint or a really good leftist! …No matter what, kids will fight and the stupid will be stupid.”
My Response:
I know that kids will fight. I was stupid and had two school fights when I was in elementary school. To this day, I don’t remember what one fight was about and how it started (against my good friend and we remained friends); and both fights were definitely about something STUPID, and the only ones that enjoyed the bloody lips, bruised bodies, and bruised egos where those around us.
What I learned from that is that words don’t matter (let free speech rule), but the actual incitement to violence does matter and that is what should be opposed and that is the actual “fight worth fighting”. I also made sure my daughter and stepson had some basic self-defense training, and my stepson went further with it.
Separately, I am glad that you or your parents are not necessarily opposed to “Gay Marriage”/Civil Unions.
I think the mistake that those who opposed Prop 8 made, was that they allowed the supporters of Prop 8 to define the argument as Gay Marriage (as marriage implies a Religious Ceremony) when this is definitely about Civil Unions and Equal Rights (a Civil Ceremony).
Getting rid of Prop 8 involves several issues:
1) All citizens have inalienable rights (Equal Rights that should NOT be violated). They are guaranteed by our Constitution, and are not dependent nor should ever be dependent on popular vote.
2) Churches determine who they will marry or not marry. Neither the government nor the ACLU can ever force churches to marry someone they don’t want to marry. Marriage is a PRIVATE/religious ceremony, which is also protected by our US Constitution by the “Separation of Church and State”, which means that only churches decide who they marry. To believe that getting rid of Prop 8 means that churches will be forced to marry who they do not want to marry is to misconstrue or misunderstand the issue, whether intentional or unintentional.
3) Marriage/Civil Unions must be open to all consenting adults. This is a PUBLIC right for all citizens. And churches should not be imposing their values on society. For example, I am Christian. And Jehova’s Witnesses are Christian. And I know Jehova’s Witnesses do not believe nor allow blood transfusions. But both as a civilian and as a military person, I know that blood transfusions save lives. So, I would not want a society where ONE religious group attempts to IMPOSE their Religious Values on society.
Again, this means that I cannot be IMPOSING my religious views on society, because this would be to violate the US Constitution. All religious or faith-based groups have the absolute right to determine how they will practice their Private/Personal Faith, and have the right to attempt to persuade others, free of government interference; but never the right to IMPOSE on others in a way that denies Equal Rights to all.
@ MQ says:
“I though strongly believe that a gay couple should have all the rights of marriage in a civil union.”
My Response:
Michelle, I am glad that we agree that gay couples should have ALL the rights of marriage in a Civil Union/Civil Ceremony that is performed without limiting rights.
We must be on guard on attempts to IMPOSE NON-religious views on religious people; or on attempts to impose religious views on other religious people or on people of NO faith.
Nothing should prevent you from fighting for EQUAL RIGHTS for those with a different sexual orientation than our own; and at the SAME TIME fighting to ensure that churches operate free of government or ACLU interference (and I seriously doubt that the ACLU is looking to do this.)
Francisco “Paco” Barragan (my opinions only and not those of any group)
Santa Ana, CA
What is wrong with this world is a lack of respect and a lot of greedy lawyers.
oh ps. of course there’s always the ignorance when it comes to you. I just saw that you think Churches will have to marry gays if they don’t want to – NO they won’t.
MQ says:
If gay marriage is law you don’t think the far Left ACLU will be looking for a church to sue, then you are whacked!
If we have no business in Gay marriage then Why do they push it so much down our throats?
You could not give two F%$&s about gay marriage, you do however hate to see that religious plaque on the Costa Mesa counsel wall!
It,s not about gay rights, its about the left having power over the majority a religious majority!
And Ps… I am not in the Religious Majority but know that their rights are not as important as gay right’s… There lies the problem and I am for equal rights not social justice!
Takes rights away from another is not equal rights no matter what. This country is founded on equal rights and not social justice!
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If Prop. 8 didn’t pass, could churches have been sued?
My parents support gay equality and like civil unions, but they voted Yes on 8 (yes I do realize that gays can still receive civil unions). My dad’s reasoning was that if Prop. 8 didn’t pass, gays could ask to be married at churches and, once denied, could sue the church.
Is that really possible? Could churches have been sued?
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Mikey C
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this is why I’m glad I live in the UK.
Since 2005 same sex couples have been able to have civil unions, which under UK law have exactly the same legal standing as marriage in tax, inheritance, heath care, next of kin etc. Had mine 9 months ago.
The government simply changed the name as a concession to the church.
The church can’t be sued for refusing to marry a same sex couple. The Catholic (and I think aglican) church won’t permit a divorced person a second church wedding and they can’t be sued for this either.
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I guess you’re copy/pasting from some website? And this website shows that you are wrong. You do understand that, right? Churches are NOT going to be forced to do anything they don’t want to do.
” It definitely would have exposed the religious conservatives as hypocrites since they their their Constitutional limited government rhetoric ad nauseum.”
MQ says:
A perfect example… Too attack the majority of this country!
If we allow the liberal weed of thought to continue growing and spreading without confrontation using logic and the truth… This is what we will get!
CF most likely is a teacher union member or some sort of government worker!