The New York Times reported on December 17 that by the middle of this century our population will begin to decline, 1 of every 4 in the United States would be elderly, and non-Hispanic whites would remain a majority. Deaths will begin to exceed births around 2048. That is, if immigration was to stop.
However, if immigration did not stop but instead slowed, non-Hispanic whites would become a minority by 2050. If immigration was a little higher, then that milestone would be reached in 2040.
People age 65 and over would be more than 1 in 5 by midcentury under all projections by the Census Bureau except for zero immigration. The story says that without immigration the nation’s labor force would decline by 7 million as the baby boomer retirement wave plays out, but with immigration at least 31 million would be added to the labor force between 2015 and 2035.
The data in this article and the Census Bureau projections depict a situation with no immigration that is one of a stagnating and then declining labor force, with increasing numbers of retirees depending on a dwindling working population. Immigration at traditional levels would offset that decline and help assure a growing economy and support for the retiring populace.
According to this information, like it or not a no immigration policy would lead to a deteriorating quality of life in economic terms for the U.S. population. The message is that immigration is a driver of our economy and that we need an on-going immigration policy to fuel our economic and social well being.
We can expect to hear counter views from quarters challenging this report as full of overzealous projections and manipulation of data designed by liberals to garner support for continued, and perhaps increased, immigration by engaging in scare tactics. Take your pick.
great post.
Demographics, like gravity, can be “defied.” But like bridges and airplanes, doing so requires good measurement and accepting it for the inexorable force that it is. Those who ignore Demographics will be crushed. Just like gravity
Our only hope in terms of keeping up with India, China, and Muslim countries is to allow more Latin immigrants into our country.
Weird how folks cannot figure it out.
And immigrants will be the only way to keep up the Ponzi scheme known as Social Security…
This nation has been soured by illegal immigrants from latin third world countries. Once the welfare dies off (which it will) and the border is secure. America will once again be more accepting of immigrants. We need quality immigrants who dont flock to the welfare office and see education as a priorty.
Mexicans cant exist without the whit man. If the could they would prosper in the Mexico.
Everyone must be warned before coming to the United States. Even if you have a visa, you are putting yourself at risk of Homeland Security ICE officers.
I have a friend that is from Paris France here on an education visa to finish his degree. He has been here since 2005. His visa is valid until March of 2010, His passport is valid until 2014, and his I-20 is current. He is not illegal. In 2008 He fell in love and married a U.S. citizen that just happens to be addicted to Prescription medications, He knew nothing about this. But he was arrested due to her mistakes.
He was placed in detention, scheduled for deportation. He has been in detention center in Pompano Beach Florida for 5 months now. All this because of her mistakes. She should be the one in jail not him. Please everyone coming to America. Think twice. This couple has lost all there savings on lawyers, she lost her job, and they are in the process of losing there home. All this was caused because ICE has the wrong person in jail.
They make up any story they want and when they are questioned about it you get nowhere. I have written many letters to Janet Napolitano, Senator Bill Nelson, Representative Ginny Brown-Waite and even President Obama. But no one will listen. So please people think twice about coming to America for any reason. Our immigration system is broken ….they all agree, but you put your life at risk when you enter our borders.
Even if you follow the rules you may also lose everything as this couple has. No one will listen, no one cares. This man has never even had a traffic violation and is 51 yrs old. He has never worked in America has always been self supporting and took nothing from Americans social services. His American dream has turned into a night mare. Shame on America.
I think it is about time someone revised this immigration and ICE practice. What is illegal in this case is the way DHS is treating this guy. John Morton and Janet N. should be ashamed of themselves. This is just wrong. While in there detention center they have abused him, denied him food and proper medical treatment. He is diabetic and they will not give him the proper food or medical attention. I think it is terrible. The phone system is very poor and not working everyday. They plan it that way so they can not contact there lawyers and family.
Someone needs to stop ICE, They are totally out of control. I fear He will be next on the long list of persons that have died while in detention. Until you go to one of these detention centers and see with your own eyes, you will not believe what America is doing. I was shocked, on my first visit and after almost 6 months of seeing what happens, how they have to live. I am still in shock.
Trust me it is all about money. He is in a private prison owned by a company called GEO based near Miami Fl. They are paid very well by our tax dollars, but the treatment is unbelievable. I just have to close by saying shame on America. I have seen it with my own eyes. I wonder how many congressmen have stock in this company. They are doing quite well. Just watch for yourself they are GEO on the stock market and are doing well in a bad economy. Makes one think a government contract like this is not a bad investment. I think the government is making a mountain out of a mole hill and now wants to sell climbing equipment!
#5 Carl McGinnis, questions & complaints need to be directed to the France’s consular offials – if they want him out, he’ll get out. US officials don’t respond to those who don’t vote in elections or on agency budgets. And there’s no home-town angle for the newspapers, except in France.
Where’s George.
No, not George Washington.
George W Bush. It seems like an eternity since I have seen his name included on the Juice.
On Jan 5, 2002 Ron Winship, producer Cutting Edge a talk show, and I covered President Bush’s Presidential Town Hall held in the Ontario Convention Center before a packed house.
The event sponsors:
The Latino Coalition Foundation; Ontario Hispanic Chamber of Commerce; Latin Business Association and the Orange County Hispanic Chamber.
In his introduction Mario Rodriguez stated that “many elected officials make promises but don’t deliver. President Bush has appointed more Latino’s in federal government than any president.”
On policy issues realting to issues of “economic, health care, immigration–Latino’s have been at the table.”
In his remarks president Bush stated that he is “proud of the number of Latino’s who own their own business–work hard to access the American dream–this is my business and no one can take it away from me–the job of government is not to create wealth–educate the people–make the playing field level.”
Later into his speech he stated that “my most important job is the safety and security of our nation.”
Toward the end of his speech the president said that “Mexico must grow a middle class so people don’t have to feel they need to come here to work.”
Note: The above comments are from my notes, not a press handout.
You can watch the entire coverage, which includes our asking governor Davis some questions after the president departed, at http://www.cuttingedge-atalkshow.com and scroll through the home page Archives.
All of our programs have legs. While we move them from the home page to other pages or the Archives, they are not deleted or altered.
Gilbert comment. President Bush made one mistake. The government can, and does, take our business from us when we don’t wish to sell.
It’s called eminent domain
“The data in this article and the Census Bureau projections depict a situation with no immigration that is one of a stagnating and then declining labor force, with increasing numbers of retirees depending on a dwindling working population. Immigration at traditional levels would offset that decline and help assure a growing economy and support for the retiring populace.”
The message is that the USA government understands the need for a youthful population that is required to be the labor force and necessary to fund MEDICARE/SOCIAL SECURITY to support the aging population.
America is not producing the babies required therefore the need for immigration legal or not.
White collar immigrants as most of assimilated and native born USA citizens also have the issue of an average of two children. The breakdown in immigration is a strategy to have immigrants legal or not in the USA which will provide the babies necessary for the economic stability of America.
France, Italy and Britian are going through the same process of immigration to produce the babies necessary for their economic stability.
#5 Carl McGinnis
we need to arrange a meeting —I’d love to learn more about your complaints.
I am sure we can put our heads together-
maybe we can have a work group session to try to help your friend- after the holidays would be good.
please post your email address.
To Just in Time……Thank you cmcginnis12@hotmail.com
Re: Toward the end of his speech the president said that “Mexico must grow a middle class so people don’t have to feel they need to come here to work.”
That’s true. We can legalize all of the immigrants who are here now, but the immigration issue will not go away until people in Mexico can earn a decent living. One of the biggest problems is NAFTA. It is pushing poor Mexicans off of their land, and it needs to be repealed.
The people I have heard speak out about immigration reform never criticize Mexico or make any demands of Mexico. It’s ridiculous. Instead they make arguments positioning immigrants as people who will “do jobs that nobody else wants to do.” That narrative just perpetuates the notion that Mexicans are volunteering to be economically exploited and that it’s OK to exploit them. It’s degrading.
This narrative erases the backstory–that Mexicans have been pushed off of their land because of NAFTA; that the US makes billions of off Mexican labor; that the US colludes with and underwrites the corrupt regimes in Mexico and the rest of Latin America; that Mexicans have been exploited by Europeans for 500 years.
Until the backers of immigration reform get real and launch a movement that addresses the root causes of illegal immigration, nothing will change.
Sunny.
I would be careful using the term exploitation.
Long before NAFTA I watched American firms outsourcing labor intensive electronic contract manufacturing to in-bond Maquiladora plants in Mexico. This pre NAFTA activity was initiated to take advantage of lower labor costs.
At the time it was considered a win-win. Mexican workers were able to find jobs in their home towns while US and European firms benefited from lower cost of goods.
In fact our trading of goods with Mexico was very high. In reality jobs were created with large manufacturing plants being constructed.
Exploitation? We could surely debate the pro’s and con’s.
PS: Over the past two decades low cost Mexican labor has been replaced by even cheaper labor from manufacturing plants in China and other Asian countries.
Art, I’m afraid things are much worse than can be imagined by anyone, even me.
The Latinos went home because the housing boom blew up. And housing boomed because Bush-Greenspan-Bernanke kept interest rates artificially low while debasing the dollar (inflation). But, as it always does, the boom turned into a bust. Housing won’t boom again for decades. The boom was perpetrated as a way to hide the immense cost of Bush’s wars, at least $5 brillion for Iraq (so far, according to Nobel economist Stiglitz) and trillions more for Afghanistan.
Bush bankrupted America. The Socialist Security and Medicare schemes are collapsing, as you noted. But that was the nature of FDR’s scheme: once the Baby Boom was followed by a Baby Bust, the whole rotting infrastructure would collapse because the earning generation wasn’t big enough to support the retired generation. Add to that wars, deflation, deficits and debt from Bush, and high taxes for Obamacare socialize medicine — and bringing in a couple million Latinos wouldn’t help.
In fact, why would they come here to become slaves paying for decades of the gringos’ own socialist folly?
Rather, we’ll soon see not only recent immigrants go back to Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America. Next, we’ll see Latinos born here go to find jobs in the lands of their ancestors. Then gringos will go there by the millions.
Indeed, Mexico’s government, never well run, today actually is better run than the U.S. government, only because the U.S. government has gotten so much worse. Mexico has no expensive foreign wars and minimal socialized medicine.
Soon, Latinos in Mexico, Colombia, Peru, Costa Rica, etc. will begin complaining about all the gringos coming down there for work, speaking bad or no Spanish, demanding Budweiser and American “football” on TV. The locals will remember “los días viejos buenos” before “Los Yanquis” ruined everything.
Re: “I would be careful using the term exploitation.”
Why? Mexicans are paid less to do the same work. Somehow they are supposed to be thankful that the people (Europeans) who robbed and pillaged their land are willing to give them a few dollars a day to do backbreaking, dangerous work. That’s sounds like exploitation to me.
Right now the system is set up to push them off of their own land through NAFTA, and then when they risk their lives to come here to find work, as NAFTA was set up for them to do, they are criminalized and called “aliens,” as if they were creatures from Mars instead of North Americans whose ancestry dates back on this continent thousands of years.
It’s nothing more than a massive human rights violation. NAFTA should be repealed and Mexicans should have fair and free elections. Moreover, the US should stop underwriting corrupt regimes in Mexico and the rest of Latin America.
Mr. John Seiler #13
I make a motion to invite you to become a blogger here on the
O.J.
You have set it straight.
We should all be investing in Mexico because what you mentioned is already happening.
ppl will not understand what you have explained– I have tried it many times and it seems far fetched to my anglo friends that they will be moving south.
Art: I am submitting a request for a new post:
http://latina.com/lifestyle/news-politics/listen-illegals-my-yard-parody-jose-felicianos-feliz-navidad
if you have time this a.m,,
because we’re all busy
I am setting up my “Noche Buenas”
because I refuse to call them Poinsettias-
Dr. Poinsettia stole them from Mexico, brought them to North Carol. USA and well ya know the story.
The Latinos went home because the housing boom blew up. And housing boomed because Bush-Greenspan-Bernanke kept interest rates artificially low while debasing the dollar (inflation). But, as it always does, the boom turned into a bust.
Good! this should save Calfornia about 9bil in Education,jail, social services.
If they are going to let more immigrants in- there are about a million on the waiting list.. doctors, teachers, nurses ect…
The Socialist Security and Medicare schemes are collapsing
of course it is collapsing, this country is too big for anything socialised. We spend so much on stupid welfare for losers and illegal immigrants and their children that they don’t have the money to put in to worth will programs ie.. medicare..
Why? Mexicans are paid less to do the same work. Somehow they are supposed to be thankful that the people (Europeans) who robbed and pillaged their land are willing
The Spanish are to blame! If you have not noticed who runs Mexico- its the Spanish ancestors of the robbers; What you are forgetting is that they are coming here for work, because their own country is run by their own corrupt. It is not the fault of anyone except the people of Mexico that they allow their Government to do nothing, but instead give them a bottle of water and a map to come to this foregin land for work.
Right now the system is set up to push them off of their own land through NAFTA, and then when they risk their lives to come here to find work, as NAFTA was set up for them to do, they are criminalized and called “aliens,” as if they were creatures from Mars instead of North Americans whose ancestry dates back on this continent thousands of years.
I do think NAFRA should be dismantled and let the Mexicans get to work on their lands and hopefully produce something other than drugs. All immigrants are called aliens if they are not legal- not just Mexicans. But it seams that Mexicans, think they should be treated different, than other immigrants.
ppl will not understand what you have explained– I have tried it many times and it seems far fetched to my anglo friends that they will be moving south.
Just in time, if you think people are going to move south, i suggest you get going now so you can buy a nice property on the beach. I hear beach front property is going cheap. With fifteen thousand people dead from the drug wars going on in Mexico in the last year, i am sure property is going the market all the time.
All i can say, is that if you think for one moment anyone would want to move to a place that they can not even trust their own cops, YOUR BOTH NUTS!
Re focus on the thread. It is not about your personal opinions of immigration. the thread is about a immigration national strategy tool for economic stability by immigrants producing the babies to make this happen.
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art lomeli says:
December 23, 2009 at 12:32 pm
“The data in this article and the Census Bureau projections depict a situation with no immigration that is one of a stagnating and then declining labor force, with increasing numbers of retirees depending on a dwindling working population. Immigration at traditional levels would offset that decline and help assure a growing economy and support for the retiring populace.”
The message is that the USA government understands the need for a youthful population that is required to be the labor force and necessary to fund MEDICARE/SOCIAL SECURITY to support the aging population.
America is not producing the babies required therefore the need for immigration legal or not.
White collar immigrants as most of assimilated and native born USA citizens also have the issue of an average of two children. The breakdown in immigration is a strategy to have immigrants legal or not in the USA which will provide the babies necessary for the economic stability of America.
France, Italy and Britian are going through the same process of immigration to produce the babies necessary for their economic stability.
The stability of this country depends on fiscial responsibility.
The more poor, the more money needed. Immigration to this country has brought industry and self sustaining people. America does not need babies born from the poor,uneducated, and needy to sustain itself.
Focus Doc, This is about what type of immigrant this country needs to sustain its greatness. Africa has lots of babies!
Britain is a mess right now because of run away immigration, the British would very much disagree with you!
Anyway Happy Christmas Doc to you and your family. I really dont think we will ever agree on immigration issues.
🙂
Michelle,
What you say:
“The stability of this country depends on fiscial responsibility.”
What the experts say:
The data in this article and the Census Bureau projections depict a situation with no immigration that is one of a stagnating and then declining labor force, with increasing numbers of retirees depending on a dwindling working population. Immigration at traditional levels would offset that decline and help assure a growing economy and support for the retiring populace.
This can only occur by immigration legal or not based on youth…..babies.
The experts have data, what data do you have? Yeah, none ….all you have is your ignorant opinion. You are consistent.
“America does not need babies born from the poor,uneducated, and needy to sustain itself.”
The USA contradicts you. America has already produced this. The census bureau has the data.
“Focus Doc, This is about what type of immigrant this country needs to sustain its greatness. Africa has lots of babies!”
You totally miss the message the experts have concluded. Understandably as it blows holes in your agenda.
“Britain is a mess right now because of run away immigration, the British would very much disagree with you!”
Their immigration was calculated and by recruitment.They initially missmanaged it by marginalization and neglect of those imported to build their workforce. Britain is now correcting this mistake.
We need to learn from Britain’s mistakes by nurturing and developing this valuable natural resource that will be the majority in less than 30 years. Your energy and passion would be positive if directed in this manner.
“I really don’t think we will ever agree on immigration issues.”
You are disagreeing with our government’s strategy. You are not disagreeing with me on this as I did not formulate the strategy.
Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Michelle: less than 1% of the budget goes to welfare.
Most money goes to Wall St. crooks (TARP), and to war contractors. It doesn’t matter how much we cut spending or raise taxes, there will always be a non-stop economic “crisis” because the people at the top are looting the Treasury.
During the recall election debates, Arianna Huffington said that Arnold was being put in by the corporations to run up a big defict and a big debt. She was right, and Wall St is making money off of the interest payments and will be for decades to come.
Now that moron Arnold wants a 15 billion dollar water bond. I’m sure his masters at Goldman Sachs will make billions if it passes.
How could people have been stupid enough to elect an uneducated, inexperienced body builder whose claim to fame was appearing in stupid movies. Yeah, let’s put this imbecile in charge of the fifth largest economy in the world.
Now people are shocked–shocked!–that this narcissistic moron has run our state into the ground.
Sunny, you do a good job of illustrating how dumb the voters are. Another post on this blog also illustrates this sad situation. That post cites Howard Jarvis Taxpayers’ Asoc. President Coupal describing how voters were duped into voting for the high speed rail bonds. (Of course some feel the voters were duped to vote for Prop. 13 way back in 1978 too!) Clearly there is a whole industry out there that exists because the voters can be duped and misled and there is money to be made in doing just that. Petition signature gatherers, who are paid for each signature, are but one example of how voting by the masses can be steered. I don’t know the answer to this one, but it sure is a scary situation. I say beware any initiative, no matter how wonderful it may sound on the surface.
You stated 1% goes to Welfare. Are you kidding??
30% of all welfare use is in California. You are right about corps looting, because a large corp.. Non-profit ie.. Choc Health Alliance is making millions off fed/state/local taxes.
This state is being blead by unions,non-profits/local governments and of course welfare/education/jail for illegal Aliens.
It is a fact!
Michelle, you little twit. Even if your figure that “30% of all Welfare use is in California” is true (btw is it? source?) that doesn’t contradict Sunny’s fact that “less than 1% of the budget goes to welfare.” That’s like saying that just because Michelle Quinn drank 90% of a bottle of Bushmill’s, 90% of all Bushmill’s is drunk by Michelle Quinn.