Once again we have had to set up a new SAUSD corruption thread as the last one started to run slow with all the comments on it.
Our schools are in crisis today – not just here in Santa Ana but all over the state. The only thing we know for sure is that we are going to take more budget hits.
I am amazed that the SAUSD hired back all their laid off administrators. How crazy is that? Class sizes are growing, good teachers are laid off, and the union, as usual, is asleep at the wheel.
We will continue to reason through all this here at the Orange Juice blog! We can but hope for the best…
Oh yes RV… she is still around. Some of us have had the displeasure working with her at Willard last week.
Oh yes RV… she is still around. Some of us have had the displeasure working with her at Willard last week.
My, My….. What IS her job there? She still in charge of the non-profit? When you look at “j”‘s posting… it makes you wonder – WHO would be angry at teachers AND administrators? Maybe someone who’s BFF was finally uprooted and moved to a new site? WHO would think being a poseur on a message board and “maybe” or “maybe not” be a teacher, a substitute, a parent etc….
Obviously someone who wants to have a say in the conversation but who does not want to reveal what kind of employment position they have.
WHAT IS bernie’s job there at Willard?
Oh, and Congrats to Willard staff for a much needed break from all the incompetence and hostility of the past management’s style. Now that you’re finally free – Do a GREAT job with the kids this year and make us all proud!
Well I am not exactly sure *what* BM’s job is at Willard. I see her fluttering around like she is in charge of everything. Her base appears to be the parent center and from what I have gathered she feels as if she is highly needed. Also, there appears to be a few Willard staff members with chips on their shoulder due to the relocation of Mr. B. Can they say “no more extra timecards?”
(((psst, J)))
Try to keep your posts down to a minimum of words so you don’t show yourself up with mistakes like to/too. A teacher, in *any* district, wouldn’t be caught with that mistake.
Willard’s entire admin staff is literally refreshing.
Since Willard is happy, and we are, Sierra must be enjoying their new admin because they haven’t been vocal (at least in this setting) about their new admin. No news must be good news. Great! I do hope it’s a happy match.
And, just to set the record straight, Sierra’s new principal was just one of a long string of principal mishaps at Willard.
also to j,
Don’t forget to use an apostrophe when using a contraction as well as when showing ownership. You can.. (apostrophe)..t possibly be a teacher or your salary is certainly a taxpayer ripoff at any price.
Oh geez, I was trying to go through the posts to make sure that j was not Michelle, I was looking for apostrophes, I just didn’t see them. Graduate’s post makes me wonder all over again.
tmare,
I was referring to the third paragraph #401. They’re are should be there are and its should be it’s. Ha! but overall he/she isn’t too bad with the usage as long as he/she isn’t teaching.
I’m sorry for being so blunt, but can this site be redirected back to the real issues and away from all of the personal attacks?
I really want to stay informed, but I don’t want to read through all of the bashing in order to find a few nuggets of worthwhile information.
this is the most lame blog site I have ever wasted my time on. Just pick up the phone or go next door and talk.
Is ‘j’ a teacher? Is he/she not? WHO CARES? “J’s” intent is to distract by using false allegory and since it has been pretty much determined that ‘j’ is not a teacher, I fail to see what the point is in dragging out the topic any further.
Since a majority of the visitors here are teachers, I would think the topic of OCHSA elsewhere on this blog would be of more interest.
http://orangejuiceblog.com/2009/09/ochsa-principal-opts-for-censorship-when-choice-of-food-vendor-is-questioned-by-student/#more-28635
Presently, 57 comments have been made on that thread. A significant number appear to have been made by purported students, or parents, that suddenly popped out of the woodwork and posted on this blog.
The topic? Questionable censorship. The thread has degenerated into a pissing contest about whether the school does or doesn’t provide room for local students, and an assorted number of other disingenuous sidelines that have zero to do with the original premise of the 1st amendment question.
The first thing any thinking person should ask themselves when this happens is why did this story generate such a response? Secondly where did all these students and parents (that oddly enough write better than “j”) suddenly appear from?
The answer, IMHO, is the same one that explained the sudden traffic here from SAEA during the elections. The tactic of distraction for a defense/offense. The curious question. Is it proliferated by the principal or the teachers who admire her?
Maybe you teacher types can clear this up for me.
Hypothetically: Would you go before your classes, advise your students of the situation, provide the blog address and encourage your students to express their support for the beloved principal in question OR would you simply provide your own opinion on that blog?
Poor # 461
It is sad you wasted your time reading AND commenting here. No matter what letter you choose to go by next. Try to make your point without lies and maybe you will get somewhere. Bye-bye!
http://newsantaana.com/2009/09/20/santa-ana-high-school-trying-to-replace-war-memorial-plaques/
So are our kids still in large classrooms because no one will take a reduction in salary??
j,
In case you hadn’t noticed, all of the secondary schools already had large classes prior to any budget crisis. There is virtually no way for anyone to agree to a pay cut and expect the district to actually hire more teachers and maintain low class sizes. The district will always weasel it’s way out of any type of agreement related to class size. They could care a less if we grieve it, during the years while the grievance drags out, they save millions of dollars by packing them in. Give it up already.
j
the teachers already took a pay cut 4 years ago. No one else did. Admin certainly didn’t. The board didn’t. DSO’s didn’t.
Go away.
Here’s a great way to save 20 bucks. CTA members can go to the website and opt-out of political contributions to the tune of 20 dollars a year and get a refund. That’s a great way to keep the union hacks from using our money for their highly personal and perhaps better kept private political vendettas. They seek to take our money thru the back door, as it were.
If teachers don’t opt-out, the CTA and “Sassy” Sanchez keep your money and use it as they see fit, without any vote by teachers.
Yahoo!
I just became $20 bucks “richer”.
Thanks, 468
and
467 is right on! Teachers have been BURNED by District repeatedly.
and
467 is RIGHTeously correct to say:
j go away
a to z don’t want your bray
j go away
your comments are in disarray
j go away
[refrain…sing/blog along if you know it]
I am a parent. Another parent gave me this website. She said I could find out the truth of how the district is going about on the budget and cuts. I have 2 students who graduated last year from Segerstrom. I have one left. I was hoping to come on here to get more info. I am a little confused. There seems to be quite alot of yelling on here. I am new to email and website writing so bare with me. I am concerned about my childs education. Not enough supplies, not enough office help! For god’s sake I am still waiting for a coach to call me on a issue. Seems no one is taking calls in that office anymore. Where is their help? The nurse’s office is a accident waiting to happen says another parent-where is that help.. and forget it trying to get answers from the principals office. I know you teachers are trying your best. Please do not forget about the kids in this city. I appreciate you and the office staff. I for one would like to know why highschools can not take away few of those administrators I see walking around HS sporting events and give a teacher or a office staff worker back their job. I also would like to see cuts at the district office site instead of the school sites. IT seems they keep picking on the school sites. I have voiced my opinion on this. I do not see it has done anygood. Please keep up the good work to you teachers and office staff
Thanks, 470, the office staff at every site is stretched far too thin, we are noticing it in big ways this year. We need parents to be very vocal at this time, no one listens to teachers.
I’m curious if everyone else is having a massive amount of illness at their sites. I didn’t pay much attention to the swine flu stuff over the summer but the influx of the flu after a few weeks of school is really making me wonder. Our absence list is about three times what is normal for this time of the year and we sent an additional 20 or so students home (throwing up, fever, etc…)today. Of course, the office staff is taking temperatures and sitting with kids while they throw up over trash cans, all the while trying to get some work done. Anyone else experiencing this?
Dear HS Parent of 3,
Thank you for persevering in perusing the plethora of postings here. Blogging can be daunting because of the sheer number of postings and the “yelling”/nonsense postings that simply take up space (a la “j”).
As far as “the truth” about the District, you’ll primarily see opines offered by teachers, support staff, and parents on this blog site. The District doesn’t understand “truth” and apparently is unable to correct their problem, so they don’t overtly blog here [though they DO apparently monitor this site]. This blog exists to equip others, especially the public SAUSD claims to serve, with insights that you might not find anywhere else. The hope is that with blogging, greater understanding will come, resulting in greater change[s] in how this District serves the students and parents.
You’re correct in asking: Where is their help?
I can assure you that teachers and classified staff are doing their best. Teachers and classified are the ones losing their jobs and benefits…yet District administrators get pay raises (Juan Lopez) and increased support staff!
Unfortunately this District is NOT about providing the best education for children first, it is about preserving full salaries, car allowances, and other grandiose privileges to District administrators.
Please keep blogging here and tell other concerned parents to do so too. This blog needs more input from parents and students.
tmare,
yes to the illnesses. We have been sending home students on a daily basis. I was just visiting someone in the hospital tonight and was told by a nurse that the recommendation at most districts and certainly from the doctors that children should not return to school with any kind of a cough. That is not what is happening at our school. Fever below 100 degrees – back to the classroom. Come back, cough a lot, not sent home without a fever. I’m going to get on the office about that tomorrow after what I heard at the hospital.
“Thanks, 470, the office staff at every site is stretched far too thin, we are noticing it in big ways this year. We need parents to be very vocal at this time, no one listens to teachers.”
Yea let’s hire more office staff and layoff some more teachers so we can balance the teachers and administrators salaries.
The most interesting part is that right now, of all times, we have been instructed to try not to send kids to the office unless they are REALLY sick. Just try to figure out who’s REALLY sick (whatever that means) during a short class period with 40 students and actually teach your class. I’m surprised I’m not REALLY sick (yet).
Garden Grove USD is a big lie. They did lay off teachers due to budget cuts. I’m one of them. Thats why i’m still up reading this blog…
Don’t give GGUSD any credit for lying right through their teeth
“Thanks, 470, the office staff at every site is stretched far too thin, we are noticing it in big ways this year. We need parents to be very vocal at this time, no one listens to teachers.”
Yea let’s hire more office staff and layoff some more teachers so we can balance the teachers and administrators salaries.
Or lets let’s hire more playground supervisors (maybe 5 more per schools for $8 an hour 4 hours a day) then layoff more teachers so the highest paid teachers can eat their lunch on time.
#477
Now you want the parents to be vocal? That’s a big time laugh.
The district, with the assistance of scattered school site personnel, have taken steps to ensure the masses do not stand up and speak up.
And why is a non-parent, Victoria Zaragonza, allowed to be the voice for the parents? She does not have any children enrolled in SAUSD schools. Yet, the Superintendent has Zaragoza tagged as her go-to gopher.
The conquer & divide tactics employed by the district are paying off. And once again, the students suffer while the adults play their silly politics.
Ahh Geez, The morons have arrived in flock. Some so stupid they can’t tell when a quote from another comment is referenced for emphasis and they get confused as to what the intent of the current comment really is. It is going to be a long week. Apparently free time abounds this school year.
What prey tell did we do to receive this honor? A quick reference would have to be from the OCHSA thread where the children and sheep were driven to speak up there and found this thread. Beats the hell out of studying, dancing or singing I guess.
Now we have a teacher who “claims” to have been riffed from the GG district that legally went public stating they riffed no one. Hmm. Who to believe? While I’m not inclined to believe any district, this “late in the game” comment leaves me with a significant amount of skepticism, especially without any corroborating facts. IE PROVE IT!
#478,
Since you obviously know your way around the district and speak what most of us know to be truth, or close enough, you might want to wait until we get passed the childrens hour on this thread though so you can figure out who is posting what. Quotes from previous comments can be confusing.
Just FYI some parents used to be quite vocal here. Why they stopped would be pure speculation. No doubt something to do with management.
I was just referencing to comment #470 and their complaints about not having enough office staff, assistants, supervisors, accountants etc…
There are a lot of teachers who want the same assistance they had last year but won’t give up their salaries in order to help their own fellow teachers and supporting staff. Instead it seems like they (teachers) would rather hire 4 or 5 new supervisors and a new secretary at each school so they can eat lunch on time and not have to do their own administrative work. I was also saying that would be great because we could just layoff some more teachers so the older teachers can have their lunches on time since administration and teachers won’t reduce their salaries to help the students at our SA schools. WAKE UP!
Regarding LUNCH!
Another idiot comment from “j”. There is NO ONE (and I am talking about teachers) at my school who doesn’t give up close to half of their recess and lunch already. Maybe not in the same day or week, but if minutes were to be counted. You can’t count on the curriculum to run smoothly or for everyone to “get it” so we are always using our break times to improve our instruction, be it in the classroom, prepping, giving individual attention, taking care of problems with students (homework, personal, etc.), calling parents, etc., etc, etc. NOT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO. WE ARE ENTITLED TO A BREAK, EVEN BY LAW!!!
GO AWAY “J”. YOU ARE AN UNINFORMED, UNOBSERVANT IDIOT!
You have
Willard still doesn’t have an nutrition. It’s hard to give up what you don’t have.
#482
How does that work? I thought nutrition was some kind of federal mandated thingy…
too bad “j” hasn’t been reading this blog long enough because if he/she had then “j” would have been that I have left posts about GGUSD in the past. Trust me, I’m not the only one that was laid off from GGUSD. The reason none of us have gone public is from fear of retaliation. Who knows what the district can tell our future employers to prevent us from getting a job
Using your break time to improve instruction…is that what I see when I see teachers racing for their cars at lunch??
“J”idiot (jidiot?),
didn’t COMPREHEND the whole comment??? e.g. “maybe not in the same day or week”. . .
Why do you *see* them? Are you also racing for your car? Dedicated teacher that you are….NOT!
This is why forums have an “ignore” key. I suggest we all pretend that we have one here.
You just don’t like the truth. You just showed the public that during the majority of the year you would rather have supervisors at the expense of laying off more teachers so you can do whatever extra work/eating you can do.
ENOUGH!
Art, or any other moderator of this blog, PLEASE block “j”. “j” is intentionally obfuscating!
You’ll notice that “HS Parent of 3” hasn’t blogged since the initial comment nearly 30 blogs ago…who would? When “j” keeps making asinine comments?
Let’s keep this blog coherent.
Come on people! Stop trying to have a logical conversation with an illogical person. It won’t work. “J” will always have some dumb ass response to everything. I for one find “J” entertaining. It’s fun to watch stupid people confirm their stupidity over and over. “J” also reminds me that things could certainly be worse.
Regarding sicknesses~ I was told Monday that a student of mine would be out for the entire week with the flu. Apparently, the flu is not labeled as “swine” any longer. It could have been “swine flu” last year and just the flu this year. Swine flu is more common than I thought.
I agree with #490 to block “J”
Thank you!
You guys want me to block J? I can do it. Let me know.
Art Pedroza
Editor
Whoever “j” is he or she truly doesn’t understand anything that is going on in SAUSD and for some reason believes that teachers have decision making power as far as things as minor as how many lunch time supervisors are hired, personally I have no knowledge of any of this and never have. His/her arguments are ridiculous and don’t add anything to this conversation.
I have numerous students out right now with requests for homework (meaning they will be out longer than 3 days)with reasons given as “illness” and “walking pneumonia”, yes I’d say that the swine flu deal is probably very real among us right now. There has never in my history in SAUSD been so many absences this early in the year, the poor office staff, they are really being challenged right now. I’m actually getting quite worried about my family because we usually count on being healthy at least through December. My husband and I are both feeling a little ill and tired right now, not something we are used to this early in the school year. We just aren’t the panic and hysteria types, but it is quite a strange way to start a school year.
Yes, please block “j”. My apologies to all the other bloggers for my responses to him.
J is an agent provocateur and simple contrarian. He does not add to the discussion.
The site I’m at has lots of sick kids coming to school every day.
#496,
Fret no more! J has been voted off the island…
Thanks Art
Yeah thanks Art. Saved me an e-mail.
Art –
Hmmm … I wish we could vote a few teachers out of SAUSD. Is this how SAUSD teachers react when they do not approve of something at their school site?
This incident reminds me of the Lathrop teachers who distributed fliers to the staff asking them to wear black arm bands displaying their displeasure of a certain principal and then denying their action. I believe Susan Mercer was one of the teachers involved in this incident.
And this is the caliber of individuals who are entrusted to instruct our students.
Yeah, it’a all about the kids.
Here we go again