John McCain…lost all the Bush supporters right after he got the nomination. According to current numbers…that is between 28 to 34 percent of the an agitated voting group. We are now left with virtually….no conservative, family values representation. So, now that the Governor of Alaska has been named as McCain’s running mate….this is called…..”throw the Conservatives and base of the party a bone!” For those that care…or for those New Majority people who think you are fooling the “dumb base”….you are just a tad wrong!
What is crazy is that even if Fred Thompson was the nominee, Sarah Palin could have been “his” running mate….without all the chaos created. Or how about Rudy Guiliani and Sarah Palin? Or Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin? Hey, it gives you the idea that virtually anyone else could have been “a livable choice”! So, why all the enmity against the McCain/Palin “team”? Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue! Not inventive!
OK, as we watched the Ron Paul Convention and were transfixed by his remarks and those of Jessie Ventura…..it definitely brought a smile to our lips. Everything that Paul was talking about had a wonderful “ring” to it. It made sense and it made us happy to hear an alternative to what the major parties are saying. Will Ron Paul be able to change anything? Well, certainly not in 2008! Will Ralph Nader be able to make a dent in the votes destined for the Major Parties? The chances are not good.
So, where does this leave us? It leaves us with an NRA endorsed, Pro-Life, female politician from Alaska as the Vice Presidential pick. Is this another Dan Quayle moment for the Republicans? Is this another disconnect and wet rag in the face of the Republican base? Hey, we would have supported Carly Fiorina as McCain’s running mate…..because at least we know that she brings the knowledge of the economy to the fray. At least HP has offices around the world.
Let us be clear….sadly Ms. Palin has been attacked with impunity and what has come out so far…..has not been helpful to McCain, the Republicans or to the Palin family. Not realizing the consequences of throwing a hat in the ring is either the fault of the McCain vetting staff or the decision making of the Palin family.
It is going to be a huge uphill battle for McCain to beat Obama in this campaign as it is. Adding insult to injury…has not been created by the media but by missteps of the McCain campaign advisors..whoever they are! It was wonderful to see Laura Bush last night at the Republican Convention as well as President Bush. Count us as part of the 28 to 34 percent…who cling tenaciously to decorum, caring and the necessary war on terror. Those issues aside……we will not be voting for McCain! As all can see…..McCain has already failed on two of the three issues we care about. Can he make a comeback? Not likely! This time we are breaking with Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich with the chorus of paid punditry and voting our conscious!
Ron Winship wrote:
“John McCain…lost all the Bush supporters right after he got the nomination.”
He did lose all moderate and centrist republicans some time ago. The polling numbers have indicated this for some time.
“According to current numbers…that is between 28 to 34 percent of the an agitated voting group. We are now left with virtually….no conservative, family values representation. So, now that the Governor of Alaska has been named as McCain’s running mate….this is called…..”throw the Conservatives and base of the party a bone!” For those that care…or for those New Majority people who think you are fooling the “dumb base”….you are just a tad wrong!”
Those numbers reflect, by all accounts, the talibani wing of the Republican Party. Reports I hear from the SOS here in Sacramento indicate a strong migration of centrist Republicans re-registering as DTS or Dems-I suspect the growth of DTS will be strong since the nomination of Palin.
“What is crazy is that even if Fred Thompson was the nominee, Sarah Palin could have been “his” running mate….without all the chaos created. Or how about Rudy Guiliani and Sarah Palin? Or Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin? Hey, it gives you the idea that virtually anyone else could have been “a livable choice”! So, why all the enmity against the McCain/Palin ”team”? Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue! Not inventive!”
If you think the MSM vetting that has occurred over the last several days since the announcement was made, guess again. The same thing would have happened under any one of the candidates you mentioned. I would go one step further and say that I doubt Palin would be under consideration by them since the problems would have been uncovered by the candidates and she would have been dropped from further consideration.
“OK, as we watched the Ron Paul Convention and were transfixed by his remarks and those of Jessie Ventura…..it definitely brought a smile to our lips. Everything that Paul was talking about had a wonderful “ring” to it. It made sense and it made us happy to hear an alternative to what the major parties are saying. Will Ron Paul be able to change anything? Well, certainly not in 2008! Will Ralph Nader be able to make a dent in the votes destined for the Major Parties? The chances are not good.”
Agreed.
“So, where does this leave us? It leaves us with an NRA endorsed, Pro-Life, female politician from Alaska as the Vice Presidential pick. Is this another Dan Quayle moment for the Republicans? Is this another disconnect and wet rag in the face of the Republican base? Hey, we would have supported Carly Fiorina as McCain’s running mate…..because at least we know that she brings the knowledge of the economy to the fray. At least HP has offices around the world.”
Carly Fiorina would have been ruled out. She ran the company into the ground with the purchase of Compaq. In several interviews with well respected media types, she has shown a poor grasp of domestic economics and the problems that we face as a nation. The push back has been extreme to the point that senior staff has had to step in and put a kibosh on any economic discussion that involves her.
“Let us be clear….sadly Ms. Palin has been attacked with impunity and what has come out so far…..has not been helpful to McCain, the Republicans or to the Palin family. Not realizing the consequences of throwing a hat in the ring is either the fault of the McCain vetting staff or the decision making of the Palin family.”
Agree with you in part-I think that it shows a tremendous naivete/and her lack of experience on her part and the exposure to her family and her decision-making.
“It is going to be a huge uphill battle for McCain to beat Obama in this campaign as it is. Adding insult to injury…has not been created by the media but by missteps of the McCain campaign advisors..whoever they are! It was wonderful to see Laura Bush last night at the Republican Convention as well as President Bush. Count us as part of the 28 to 34 percent…who cling tenaciously to decorum, caring and the necessary war on terror. Those issues aside……we will not be voting for McCain! As all can see…..McCain has already failed on two of the three issues we care about. Can he make a comeback? Not likely! This time we are breaking with Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich with the chorus of paid pundantry and voting our conscience.”
Agreed-as I have said, this has been a trainwreck waiting to happen. There was a tremendous misstep by the McCain campaign with this announcement. They underestimated the MSM press inquisitiveness in being presented a candidate that no one, NONE, had any knowledge of. What does the press do? Investigate the background of the nominee. The issue is not about her daughter although that was handled abysimally as well. What has happened is that the McCain campaign has been off message since the announcement and there is not any indicator that they will be able to get back on message. McCain is backed into a wall. If he drops her, he incurs tremendous heat from the talibani Republicans. If he continues with her on the ticket, the inquisitiveness and examination continue with the focus on her and not on McCain.
McCain has no choice if he wants to prevent the trainwreck. My prediction is that she is going to resign, if not this week, then quite possibly next. McCain cannot afford to continue the circus.
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watching Steve Schmidt as engineer of the trainwreck trying desperately to stop the train
The blogosphere is buzzing with rumors about the Republican vice presidential nominee – some true, some half-true and some false. Here’s a sampling:
She called the Iraq war “a task from God.” TRUE
Palin told congregants at her evangelical church in Wasilla in June that the Iraq war is “a task that is from God” and part of “God’s plan.” She also urged congregants to pray for a $30 billion natural gas pipeline project she wants to build.
She’s a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. FALSE
Members of the Alaskan Independence Party – which wants Alaskans to vote on seceding from the union – say she was a member briefly in the mid-1990s. The McCain camp produced records showing she’s been a registered Republican since 1982. But she did offer a brief video greeting at this year’s AIP convention. Her husband, Todd, was an AIP member between 1995 and 2002.
She wants creationism taught in public schools. TRUE
She’s in favor of teaching both creationism and evolution in the public schools. “Teach both,” she said in a 2006 gubernatorial debate. “Don’t be afraid of information.” McCain believes the issue should be decided by individual school districts.
She opposes abortion in all cases. FALSE
Palin makes one exception – if the life of the mother is threatened. But she opposes abortion in cases of rape. Asked at the 2006 debate what she’d do if her daughter were raped and became pregnant, she said, “I would choose life.” McCain supports a rape exception.
She doesn’t believe global warming is man-made. TRUE
Palin said in an interview with NewsMax magazine published last week, “I’m not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made.” Her view is at odds with McCain, who has championed legislation to address climate change.
She’s challenged members of her own party. HALF TRUE
She ousted the Republican state party chairman from a key commission, challenged GOP Gov. Frank Murkowski and won, and recently endorsed a rival to Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska. But from 2003-2005, she served as a director of an independent expenditure committee that raised money for Alaska GOP Sen. Ted Stevens, who is currently facing corruption charges. Stevens endorsed her and appeared in a TV ad for her during her 2006 race for governor.
She didn’t give birth to her fifth child, son Trig.
FALSE
This false rumor, circulated on liberal blogs, was debunked, but forced the McCain campaign to acknowledge that Palin’s 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, is five-months’ pregnant with a child conceived with her 18-year-old boyfriend, Levi Johnston. Sarah Palin delivered Trig, who has Down syndrome, in April.
She is being investigated for dismissing the state police commissioner. TRUE
Her firing of the state public safety commissioner who refused to dismiss a state trooper involved in a nasty divorce from Palin’s sister is under investigation by the Alaska Legislature. Palin has admitted that a member of her staff phoned the trooper’s lieutenant in an effort that could have been perceived as pressure, and that her husband and other officials also had contacted the commissioner about the trooper. She has insisted, however, that she did not authorize the phone call and was not aware of it.
Palin’s pick to replace the police commissioner resigned two weeks later over sexual harassment allegations. TRUE
Palin appointed a replacement on July 11, the same day she fired the veteran commissioner. According to the Anchorage Daily News, the appointee came under scrutiny from the governor after he acknowledged at a press conference a 2005 sexual harassment complaint while he was chief of Kenai police resulted in a letter of reprimand from the city. The governor learned of the reprimand from that news conference. Before then, she had thought the complaint was unsubstantiated, the paper reported.
She opposes earmarks. FALSE
She opposed one earmark – the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere” – after initially supporting it. But her administration in February sent Stevens a 70-page memo asking for $200 million in earmarks. And, as mayor of Wasilla, she hired a lobbying firm and got $27 million in earmarks for a town of 6,500 residents.
Source: Chronicle research
With due attribution to the fantastic political writer Carla Marinucci of the San Fran Chronicle
NPR/ All things Considered to analyze the reaction of moderate Reeps to the Palin candidacy.
SCR –
What about NPR’s liberal bias? 😛
SMS
*SCR –
Well done analysis….thanks so much!
rw
It wasn’t liberal bloggers that forced Palin to reveal her daughter’s pregnancy, it was the National Enquirer. They, at least had the decency to not only inform the Palin’s that they were running the story, but the boy’s family as well ( we are left to wonder if Sarah Palin gave Levi Johnston the same heads-up).
SMS
Its that NPR liberal bias that underscores the desire to defund NPR every year.
I think another way to describe it is putting one’s head in the sand…..If you perceive the bias then it must be true that it is bias.
It used to be that Reeps stood for truth honesty and the American way…..with attribution to Superman and Clark Kent.
Now what have the Talibani Reeps done to the party? For the answer, see:
npr/
billmoyersjournal/
capitalcrimes
in the archives section dated August 1
trainwreck time
Ron
thanks for the complement
with due attribution to the SF CHRONICLE and Carla Marinucci
FLASH:
LA TIMES writers to break story that McCain’s rants about earmarks was about Federal legislation that contained the Alaska earmarks sought by Palin
whoa……
R&A –
‘Asked at the 2006 debate what she’d do if her daughter were raped and became pregnant, she said, “I would choose life.” McCain supports a rape exception.‘
Because yeah, I’d love to grow up having my mother remember being raped every time she looked at me. I was an unwanted child and my mother wasn’t raped. Considering the abuse I suffered as a result I can’t even imagine what being the product of a violent, forced conception would have been like.
The anti-abortion argument is rooted in religion, but also philosophy. It follows the philosophy that life is worth living. Says who?
I always find it interesting that the most ardent anti-choice proponents are, almost without exception, more affluent and established (read: happy with their lives) than the women to which they are dictating their morality.
Too many women who choose to have their children lack the ability to care for them, and bringing more and more wards of the state into the world is not the answer. The same guilt that makes a woman choose to have an unwanted child usually then keeps her from giving it up for adoption once it’s born, but doesn’t necessarily keep her from ignoring her child as he/she grows up.
Maybe the Reeps should concentrate more on child abuse and neglect if they’re going to insist that all fertilized embryos be taken to term? The way I was treated growing up, I spent the better part of my childhood wishing I had never been born.
In all fairness, I seriously doubt anyone here grew up the way I did, so if my opinion on the matter seems cynical, I’m sorry, but mine is a valid argument that doesn’t see the light of day nearly often enough because people who have a similar background to mine usually don’t accomplish much and nobody wants to be that person that reminds everyone that life sucks.
I’m a realist, so I guess I’ll take that heat.
SMS
SMS
Your position is valid and important. Reality is the crucible of life that we are all dedicated to seek improvement for everyone.
SCR
SCR –
Wow! That’s deep. Can I steal that? 😛
SMS
Absolutely
SCR
SMS
I was thinking….but not changing my mind, mind you….Use it as long as you can convince Jubalito to send in a pic of him in his alter boy cassock and surplus…..
If he does, I will send in one of me in my alter boy cassock and surplus….
Lol all the way….ad altare dei
SCR –
I find it interesting that I moved 3300 miles away from the Catholic stronghold of Boston and I still can’t get away from you guys. And you fight amongst yourselves anywhere you are in the world. It’s SO much fun to watch, but you guys make me homesick. :'(
SMS
SMS
Please dont leave California……
you can get your Red Sox and Celtics fix via cable unless they visit the Los Angeles Angeles de Anaheim……
looked at your website….pretty slick….
Fighting anywhere in the world–Given our current standing in the International community, my first preference is that we address the problems here at home…..
For me, the personal goal is the rebirth of the Republican party that adheres to and promotes its belief in the dignity of all and not the few.
The opportunity is there-the problem is the Talibani Reeps.
But dont go to Boston-stay here and laugh without the snow
SCR –
Actually, it’s the Red Sox and Patriots I prefer. Just FYI. My birthday is in February – right after the Pats win it all again. Send gifts care of OJ. 😛
SMS
PS: I’m especially fond of those womens’ cut jerseys. 😉
SMS
I just remember the great Lakers-Celtics championship battles……
After all Tom Brady, Sam Jones, KC Jones, Bill Russell……all from Northern California with a Boston flavor……
I am thinking that the Patriots might do it again after last year and only to prove that last year was no fluke…But I dont know…I will send you a PM to get the address where to send the gift…..
After all I do relish my anonymity when it comes to the Talibani Reeps……
I was not going to say anything but this is just driving me nuts.
“John McCain…lost all the Bush supporters right after he got the nomination.”
Really you know this for a fact? You have talked to all the Bush supporters in the US?
Well I just wanted to let you know you are wrong.
I am a Bush supporter, and I support John McCain.
You certainly do not speak for me.
“right after the Pats win it all again”
SMS,
Put down the medical marijuana!!! It will be the Bolts on top this year.
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS SUPER BOWL XLII CHAMPS!!!!
Danielle T said:
“John McCain…lost all the Bush supporters right after he got the nomination.”—
Ron said that…..I happen to agree with him. All the national polls reflect this situation. All of the political experts (aside from the partisan Dems and Reeps) say this has occurred…..
“Really you know this for a fact? You have talked to all the Bush supporters in the US?”
Have you looked at the latest approval ratings for Bush? There is a reason why Bush was disinvited to the RNC party. McCain is bravely fighting to keep away from Bush because of Bush’s in the toilet ratings…The same goes for Cheney is in Middle East..Senior McCain strategist have stated to many that they wanted these two clowns as far away from the RNC party as possible….
Thats why you didnt see them last night.
“Well I just wanted to let you know you are wrong.
I am a Bush supporter, and I support John McCain.”
Good for you. You obviously are a true believer. This is a trainwreck that will inevitably happen.
McCain is a good person. And I have voted for him in the past. But I am voting for Obama/Biden because they reflect everything that is good about this country and not the incompetance and ineptitude that Bush and Cheney have come to represent.
“You certainly do not speak for me.”
I havent said that I did. And neither did Ron from my interpretation of his comments. Neither of us portend to speak for others; we do associate with others that feel the same as we do.
Ron has his ideas; I have mine. And you have yours.
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Towards a New and Greater America
while we watch the McCain/Palin trainwreck
Amazing…..
As I watch the RNC, I am struck by the hypocrisy….A very predominantly non-ethnic convention….
And they play Earth Wind & Fire….the song September…..
Waving their placards saying “Country First”….
And the Bush Administration record in dealing with the cities of this country and their urban problems is……..?????
You can bet that Earth Wind & Fire will pull out the stops when they play at the inauguration of Barack Obama and Joe Biden……
Simply Amazing…..
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watching the Palin trainwreck tonite….
Only folk with a flat EEG line should vote Rep this year.OMG Obama definitely looks better.