The proponents of Measure D, the bogus term limits measure that extends the terms of Santa Ana Council Members another four years, were able to get Santa Ana Mayor Miguel Pulido to sign their ballot statement. I believe that the other signers are Council Members Sal Tinajero, Claudia Alvarez, Carlos Bustamante and Vince Sarmiento.
Since Pulido has gambled that Measure D will win, I am glad that I mentioned mayoral term limits in the argument I wrote against the measure. We filed it today, as late as we could, so the other side would not have a sneak peek at it. Here is our argument against Measure D:
The proponents of Measure D would have us believe that it is about term limits. Yet it EXTENDS the terms for Santa Ana City Council Members ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. And it DOES NOT include Mayoral term limits! Instead we are offered a Code of Conduct. But we already have a remedy for corrupt politicians
Art,
Why didn’t any Anglo residents sign on to the argument against “D”? Where’s Mill, Gordon, Collins, Stroud or McEwen?
I mean John Raya? Who the hell is he?
Ask Sean Mill why he will not sign on as an opponent to this initiative. Because his papi chulo Sal will not let him. Don’t know why Thomas or George did not sign, that would have added some muscle to the debate.
But Sean has sold his soul to the devil. even though this measure would go after Orange Juice bloggers as well he has sold out his own blogteam. Sad to think he is now the leading Liberal on Orange Juice.
Come out of retirement Claudio, we need you!
#2,
I was not asked to sign on to anything. Despite your baseless claim Sal does not tell me what to do.
I have not sold anyone out. Please explain to me how I sold the blog out.
Julie Stroud refused to sign on to the initiative. She was asked and said “no”. Why don’t you ask her why she refused.
Using your own language Sean: The only usual suspects signet it.
I would have signed it and did indeed try to recruit some others to do so as well.Very disappointed that a more well known diverse group of residents was not included.
The only reason to vote this down IS.
It does not eliminate term limits all together.
When you look at the history of the rise and fall of Santa Ana, you can see the fall happened not to long after the 1966 term limit measure was passed setting the current 4 year two term limits on the council.
At the pit of the bottom floundering in the 80
also found in research.
During this same period of time, 1964 to current day, every measure to come before to voters to build parks and fix streets and repair infrastructures were defeated.
The voters said NO to parks, NO to streets, No to sewer and water upgrades, NO to everything.
Of course there has been winners in all of this too. The mostly unseen (by the normal voter) [city management / employee (union) complex] that has had major increases in pay and benefits far beyond what most of the residents earn for the same 40 hour pay period.
It is my opinion that term limits has screwed up the city by gutting the council.
Term limits is the bane of modern America
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Digest version of history. Full text at city web site
1966 council serve not more than 2 consecutive 4 years terms,
(at that time the mayor was selected from one of the 7 council members)
1974 direct election of mayor, division of city into 6 wards. DEFEATED (7 member council)
1983 Council elections by wards. Defeated
1986 (June) direct election of mayor, and 7 wards. DEFEATED
1986 (Nov) direct election of mayor, division of city into 6 wards. PASSED
(same 4 year 2 term limit on council, no limit on mayor but runs every 2 years.)
Young- mayor, on council since 1983
Pulido 1st elected to council 1986
1988 Young elected mayor, new 6 ward boundaries take affect.
1990 Young elected mayor. Charter review committee, DEFEATED
1992 Young elected mayor.
1994 Pulido elected mayor (Young years of service 11, 8 as mayor)
1996 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 Pulido elected mayor
Pulido years of service 21, 13 as mayor.
So 4 year terms with 8 year limit on council members have been around for 41 years.
And 2 year terms without limit on mayor have been around for 19 years.
Draw a time line on Santa Ana
Measure D is wrong no matter what your ethnicity is. We need to stick to the issue. This Measure needs to be defeated – we all need to vote no on it irrespective of our race or creed.
Art, is right, regardless of who you are and what your background is…
NO ON D!
NO MORE YEARS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL!
NO MORE YEARS FOR CRAZY CLAUDIA!