Chisme has it that Santa Ana Councilman Sal Tinajero formally requested that the Orange County Sanitation District hold at least six meetings per month. Why would he do that, I wonder?
Here is what the OCSD’s website says they do, “Each day we treat approximately 250 million gallons of wastewater enough water to fill Anaheim stadium nearly three times each day. About 80 percent of the wastewater comes from homes
#47-
In city hall there is a chain of cammand. The council members direct staff, not the other way around. Staff does what they are told.
It is quite likely that Sal did actually direct someone to look into having more meetings.
N2Justice:
It’s obvious to anyone that reads the comments section that you’ve effectively and articulately sliced and diced the author of this post. The author has chosen not to respond b/c he’s having a hard time he’s wrong.
That being said, let it go.
n2reyna,
Let me get this straight – I call you n2reyna and you then say you are not “Roman Reyna” and you don’t know who he is? If you don’t know who he is, why do you know his first name is Roman?
Also, if you are Benavides’ amigo, how is it you don’t know his bosom buddy Reyna?
Face it, you are Reyna. And that makes you a hard core Benavides sycophant.
#52,
You are right there is a chain of command at city hall. Dave Ream tells people what to do and they do it.
Obviously he ordered one of his flunkies, who will remain nameless at this time, to smear Sal Tinajero. The staffer who did it is a longtime Ream/Pulido flunky who goes back many, many years.
Again the question that needs to be asked is why does the 8th floor cabal want to smear Sal Tinajero?
Art, you get more ridiculous by the minute. I know you were talking about Roman Reyna because someone else accused me of being him before you did. Pay attention now!
And it’s logical that I know everyone that Benavides knows? That’s the best you can do?
LOL. Thanks for the entertainment!
And thank you, #53…I only wish Art was as articulate and honest as you.
“Again the question that needs to be asked is why does the 8th floor cabal want to smear Sal Tinajero?”
Sean, like kids at Christmas, they have visions of Councilwoman Jennifer Villasenor dancing through their heads.
n2justice – seriously, let it go. you’re boring us to death. use your time to discuss REAL issues or at least contribute to the questions that were risen.
n2justice – seriously, get a life. your posts on an old story are ridiculous. you do know you’re reading a blog and not the NY Times? therefore… not everything posted are going to be facts.
N2reyna,
I find it very hard to believe that you could be so close to Benavides and not know Roman Reyna. During the council campaign, Reyna followed him around like Mary’s little lamb. Just like Bustamante followed his master Pulido during the same campaign. Pathetic.
You are either Reyna or you are a liar. There is NO WAY that you could be such a close friend of Benavides and not know Reyna. It is simply impossible.
Your beef with me is that I said that the 13 year old was shot in front of Benavides’ house. It has been pointed out that he was shot less than 500 feet away from Benavides’ house. Close enough for me.
I also wrote that this happened before Benavides flew off to DC with his Reep amigo Bustamante and you said it happened afterwards. Fine – but why is this guy flying off to DC when his city is in so much trouble? That was the point! You seem to be unable to grasp nuance.
It’s important to go to DC when there are problems are here because in the real world, that is how these problems get resolved. Kitchen cabals and town hall meetings don’t fix a city’s ills, bringing home cubic dollars to fund real programs does though. Networking events in the capitol can help raise the profile of Santa Ana and help get the city postured to receive federal funding for things like roads, gang abatement, jobs (through empowerment zones and employer tax credits), and homeland security resources to fund public safety.
That’s why its important for our city leaders to go.
All of Michelle Martinez’s unfunded programs don’t go anywhere unless someone can find the money. Carlos and David are working on resolving that when they make these trips.
Art,
David knows LOTS of people. I, on the other hand, do not. And I don’t know all the people he knows. I didn’t follow David around during his campaign. Got that? Ever heard of someone having different groups of friends from different parts of one’s life? Geesh. Get a clue. I’m not Reyna. And I’m not a liar. Unlike you.
“Close enough for me”. Right. Close enough for you to embelish and lie.
And that last paragraph is so weak I don’t know where to begin. Nuance? No Art…error. There’s a difference.
#61
Excellent point. Too bad Art’s vision is so myopic and micro that he can’t see the “big picture”.
To earlier posts about number of paid committee meetings. Members cannot be paid for lunch or coffee meetings.
Pay can only be for publicly posted (72hour rule) meeting or sub-committee meetings. Meetings can be closed (depending on subject) but open and close must be done in public with actions reported at the end.
A committee member like Sal, cannot set a paid meeting. The Chair or Sub-Comm Chair can only call meeting. Also please note that the alternate only gets paid when the member, in this case Sal, does not show up. Alternate usually gets paid $170 for training meeting (every other year). Most members don’t miss San district meetings, its easy money and free food…
#61 & N2benavides
What a load of Baloney. Michele was in DC a few months ago, so by your lame logic she got the jump on the “BB” boys months before.
What a couple of pinheads you both are.
“Excellent point” says N2benavides to #61. Sure, maybe if #61 will let their hair grow longer, nobody will notice it š
CQT96
You’ve got it all wrong. By our logic, what Michelle did is just right. It’s by ART’S logic that what Michelle did is all wrong…that why would ANY councilmember be in DC when “the city is in so much trouble”? So by Art’s own logic, he indicts Michelle. Apparently it’s ok for her and nobody else. Is that your point?
See how sick and twisted he is?
n2justice/roman reyna
everything benavides says is a lie.
http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/or/vote/benavides_d/
Occupation: Santa Ana Planning Commissioner
he is a realtor, he sells home.
he lied about his occupation, he lied about term limits, he took money from a developer after approving a project. david is a fraud.
#65 CQT96
I think your comment brings up an entirely different, but important issue.
We all have our biases for and against certain community leaders and politicians. That’s only natural. The problem becomes when we allow our biases to completely cloud our judgement and our ability to think rationally and objectively. And with a sense of fairness. And then we lurch into political hackdom.
Michelle Martinez went to DC? I say great! I hope she made some connections that will be of value to this great city. But the difference between Art and me is that I’m willing to see the bigger picture and acknowledge her contribution. He, on the other hand, has a vision SO clouded by his biases, that he’s lost all ability to be fair, objective and consistent. Not to mention truthful.
It’s a blindly partisan disease that unfortunately has a truly negative impact on our civil (or uncivil) discourse.
#68
Your self-anointed Czar of Truth mantle needs some truth-tailoring.
n2whocares,
Cat got your tongue? Funny how you have nothing to say about Benavides’ dumb comments in the Times. Apparently he does not think it is a great idea to limit liquor licenses in Santa Ana. Que tonto!
Also, I love how you accuse me of partisanship even though I am an independent voter. How can I be partisan?
Art,
I’m not obligated to comment on everything. Get a grip.
But now that you mention it, I agree that we have far too many liquor stores, and I’m going to talk to David about his position. You might want to try the same approach, rather than criticize from afar.
See what it’s like to step up and be truthful?
And what does the way you vote have to do with whether or not your bias has overwhelmed your objectivity when it comes to your statements on this blog?
Now, care to comment on my previous observation…namely, your double-standard when it comes to councilmembers taking trips to DC?
n2getagrip,
That’s the point – Benavides was not ready for the Council and his comments about the liquor licenses prove it.
I have opposed him from the start for several reasons. Firstly, he was an obvious Pulido puppet. Secondly, he did not appear to have a clue. Thirdly, I did not like that he took money from a developer and then voted on a matter that involved conflict of interest, while he was on the Planning Commission.
And it really bothered me that he described his career on the ballot as “Planning Commissioner.”
Then, after he got elected, he waffled on mayoral term limits and ward specific council elections. Pathetic.
As for the issue of the DC trips, you know full well that Michele went there to attend a League of Cities conference. Granted, some of their workshops were liberal BS – I even wrote a post on this blog that said as much. However she went there to LEARN.
Benapuppet went to DC to hold Bustamante’s hand and sing Kumbaya at the Bush Cinco de Mayo party. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!
As for the issue of partisanship, as I said I am NOT partisan. If you want to accuse me of bias, you have already been told, repeatedly, that this is a blog, not a newspaper. Bias is part of the deal. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
And consider that I do hold my friends to the fire. If I don’t like the way Michele votes on something I will blog it. And she knows it. If she wants to throw me off the Redevelopment Commission that is fine. I don’t care about titles or positions. Unlike your amigo Benapuppet.
Art:
N2Justice has pointed out that you have a nasty habit of being reckless with the truth. I don’t think any one who reads this blog would disagree with N2Justice on that score. Still, you are a good form of entertainment; really a local gadfly that has figured out how to use a blog. Kudos.
I think N2Justice ought to just take a rest or create a rival blog that is more substantial and fact based. N2Justice, who can obviously articulate his/her views, could fill the void left by our shameful local media.
What do you say N2? I think Art could use some actual competition to keep him honest.
Poster 73,
Listen, this n2 guy loves to cry about facts, but he cannot face the fact that his hero, Benapuppet, has waffled about important issues like mayoral term limits and ward-specific elections. And to compound things, n2 cannot even use his real name. He has to hind behind a lame fake name.
Say what you will about my work on this blog, but I do strive to get things right. When I err it is generally due to my sources. Unlike the MSM, I don’t use three sources on a story and I don’t have an editor. So yes, sometimes we are a bit off.
But the facts that bothered n2 were not that far off. A 13 year old was shot less than 500 feet from Benapuppet’s house. And he did fly off to DC to have fun with his boy-pal Bustamante. Those are facts – but n2 doesn’t like them. So instead of facing the facts he just attacks me.
The truth is that Benapuppet is a terrible councilman and his buddies can’t even use their real names when they attempt to defend him. He will be a one-term councilman and he won’t leave much of a legacy.
#73
Actually, it appears that YOU are the one who can articulate a fair and balanced position. So I say go for it!
I’d be curious to know what you think about Art’s post #74.
Poster 73,
It turns out that n2 has a blog. The url is http://n2justice.blogspot.com/. We added it to our links yesterday.
You can read n2’s profile at http://www2.blogger.com/profile/04791722309569582165.
It turns out that he is not in fact Roman Reyna. He says he is 47 and he is a graphic designer. I believe, based on my research and a few well-placed sources, he is Jon Gothold, partner at DGWB, an ad agency in Santa Ana.
Gothold and Benavides have both received “Neighborhood Hero” awards from Com Link.
DGWB is a very large and successful firm. Here is what I found out about them: DGWB is Orange County
LOLOLOL!!!! Oh my goodness Art, you’re going off the deep end. I’m not Jon Gothold either. And you better get some new “well-placed sources”.
You thought I was Reyna. Wrong. Now I’m Jon Gothold. Wrong again.
Why the obsession with who I am? Are you feeling embarrassed or something? You’ve never been this obsessed with trying to identify someone.
Besides, what does it matter? I’ve already admitted that I’m a friend of David’s. So what?
Go ask David who I am. He’ll tell you. As if it matters. Geesh. LOL.
Oh I get it…you want to dig up some nefarious relationship where someone scratched someone’s back because that’s how you think EVERYTHING goes down. If I thought I could spare you the trouble, I’d try, but I sense a closed mind.
Really Art, this post has an air of desperation to it.
n2,
I will figure out who you are eventually. In the meantime I will be closely scrutinizing Benapuppet’s campaign financial reports. It will be interesting to see if he took money from any markets or liquor stores.
Oh by the way Art, Jon Gothold isn’t a Graphic Designer…he’s a Creative Director. Entirely different position.
n2,
Couldn’t he be both? I mean he must have been a graphic designer back in the day.
I used to work in the same field. But the money was awful so I moved on to marketing and then later to industrial work. The last few years I have developed a career in safety and finished an MBA.
BTW, I like some of the same bands you do, specifically Massive Attack and Radiohead. Well, Coldplay too. I have been listening lately to Lush, the Pixies and Muse.
You’re into some serious books. I prefer science fiction. I read about a book a week. My 3 year old and I frequent our one library about every other week.
He was more likely an Art Director or Copywriter when he came up through the ranks.
So you like Massive Attack eh? There may be hope for you after all! LOL.
n2,
LOL! I hope so. Otherwise I am just a troublemaker. I do take pride in my music collection – but my kids laugh at it. They actually disrespect David Bowie and Iggy Pop!
Unfortunately, I gotta go with your kids on that score. But hey, when it comes to music, everyone has different tastes.
As to whether or not you’re “just a troublemaker”, only you can answer that. I honestly think that you could lift the integrity, truth and credibility of your posts and comments and in the end become much more persuasive. It goes against my grain, but I honestly feel like I’ve “gotten into the mud” with you and I can’t say I like the experience. It really doesn’t add much of anything to our discourse and it certainly does little to make this a better city.
N2justice,
There was a link posted to a video of a city hall meeting in which Ms. Alvarez went into detail on mayoral term limits. Mr. Benavides tries to backpeddle and then ultimately votes against the recommendations to put the matter before voters.
He really presented himself as a goof. I know he’s your friend, and I would expect you to defend a friend. The average unbiased viewer would see a guy who got caught doing the exact opposite of what he campaigned on. And his “explanation” of his conduct was weak, at best.
He could have swung the votes that night to put the matter before the voters, as he promised. He elected not to do that.
Art-
When were ward specific elections before the council where Benavides voted against them?
#84
Right. And what was his rationale that evening? He felt that it would be unwise to invest the large amounts of money that it takes for a special election and rather see if other issues come on board that it can be “ganged” with. In other words, let’s put this on a ballot with some other issues so it’s more fiscally responsible.
I guess you can argue with his reasoning. Some people would call it a dodge. I dare say those people are probably predisposed to feel that way. But from a logical standpoint, it doesn’t PER SE consitute a change of mind. It’s just a difference of approach in how to achieve it.
Poster 85,
Didn’t Benavides serve on the Charter Reform Commission? I thought he supported ward specific elections and mayoral term limits while on that commission.