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		<title>Comment on &#8220;TOO BAD, VIETS!&#8221; says the OC GOP, &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT YOUR TIME in the 72nd AD!&#8221; by Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true.  I was very involved with the Phu campaign, as was Bluedog.

Dude.  I&#039;m never &quot;half kidding&quot; about facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true.  I was very involved with the Phu campaign, as was Bluedog.</p>
<p>Dude.  I&#8217;m never &#8220;half kidding&#8221; about facts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;TOO BAD, VIETS!&#8221; says the OC GOP, &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT YOUR TIME in the 72nd AD!&#8221; by Greg Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your view of Edgar of Troy?  He comes Royce-stamped!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your view of Edgar of Troy?  He comes Royce-stamped!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;TOO BAD, VIETS!&#8221; says the OC GOP, &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT YOUR TIME in the 72nd AD!&#8221; by Tony Bushala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Bushala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harper was Nguyen&#039;s Deputy Chief of Staff. A typically useless repuglican hackling given do-nothing jobs at the County.

Unemployable yet somehow employed. Government as a jobs program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harper was Nguyen&#8217;s Deputy Chief of Staff. A typically useless repuglican hackling given do-nothing jobs at the County.</p>
<p>Unemployable yet somehow employed. Government as a jobs program.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens Veto Power over Gifts of Public Funds Needed by Greg Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could this payment be taken away by referendum once it had made -- and, for all we know, contracts signed in expectation of it?  I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s so easy.

There is another &quot;R&quot; that comes into play, though.  Ask the City of Fullerton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could this payment be taken away by referendum once it had made &#8212; and, for all we know, contracts signed in expectation of it?  I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s so easy.</p>
<p>There is another &#8220;R&#8221; that comes into play, though.  Ask the City of Fullerton.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;TOO BAD, VIETS!&#8221; says the OC GOP, &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT YOUR TIME in the 72nd AD!&#8221; by Greg Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bluedog,

Vern&#039;s semi-endorsement aside, what bothers me in the story is this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And then, even though [Pham and Dovinh] both told me they were mainly anti-Mansoor, they spent the remaining five months doing Mansoor’s dirty work on Vietnamese radio and TV, endlessly repeating the absurd lie that Phu is a “Communist.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I feel more negative about Vern&#039;s &quot;half-kidding&quot; approach if this isn&#039;t true.  So -- &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; this true?  If so, how is it explained?  I&#039;ll support Dovinh anyway, based on my &quot;whom would you rather lobby?&quot; idea, but this makes it harder for me to convince others to do so if it&#039;s true.

I think that this is worth addressing, because I suspect that the charge won&#039;t go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bluedog,</p>
<p>Vern&#8217;s semi-endorsement aside, what bothers me in the story is this:</p>
<blockquote><p>And then, even though [Pham and Dovinh] both told me they were mainly anti-Mansoor, they spent the remaining five months doing Mansoor’s dirty work on Vietnamese radio and TV, endlessly repeating the absurd lie that Phu is a “Communist.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I feel more negative about Vern&#8217;s &#8220;half-kidding&#8221; approach if this isn&#8217;t true.  So &#8212; <i>is</i> this true?  If so, how is it explained?  I&#8217;ll support Dovinh anyway, based on my &#8220;whom would you rather lobby?&#8221; idea, but this makes it harder for me to convince others to do so if it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>I think that this is worth addressing, because I suspect that the charge won&#8217;t go away.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;TOO BAD, VIETS!&#8221; says the OC GOP, &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT YOUR TIME in the 72nd AD!&#8221; by Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll stop writing nasty things about Joe, since what&#039;s the point.  And I don&#039;t want to undercut your valiant efforts to put lipstick on ... never mind.

When it comes down to it, I&#039;ll probably just write in someone I trust, who isn&#039;t running.  Like John Grace.  Or Gus Ayer.  Or Phu.  Or Bao.  Or someone from Huntington Beach&#039;s Harvest Club. And let the chips fall where they may.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll stop writing nasty things about Joe, since what&#8217;s the point.  And I don&#8217;t want to undercut your valiant efforts to put lipstick on &#8230; never mind.</p>
<p>When it comes down to it, I&#8217;ll probably just write in someone I trust, who isn&#8217;t running.  Like John Grace.  Or Gus Ayer.  Or Phu.  Or Bao.  Or someone from Huntington Beach&#8217;s Harvest Club. And let the chips fall where they may.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;TOO BAD, VIETS!&#8221; says the OC GOP, &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT YOUR TIME in the 72nd AD!&#8221; by bluedog in the O.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluedog in the O.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his office where he works, at his business he has a large Obama 2012 sign up on the wall. On his work truck Obama for president stickers. Posted his endorsement by the young Democrats on his personal phone message for all to see.

I do not see Republican on our opponents sites or paperwork, Phu did not put that on his papers after the primary when everyone could vote. If it were the old system you would have a point.

But both sides need independant support to win it is an open primary and as you correctly point out the district has more Republicans than Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his office where he works, at his business he has a large Obama 2012 sign up on the wall. On his work truck Obama for president stickers. Posted his endorsement by the young Democrats on his personal phone message for all to see.</p>
<p>I do not see Republican on our opponents sites or paperwork, Phu did not put that on his papers after the primary when everyone could vote. If it were the old system you would have a point.</p>
<p>But both sides need independant support to win it is an open primary and as you correctly point out the district has more Republicans than Democrats.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;TOO BAD, VIETS!&#8221; says the OC GOP, &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT YOUR TIME in the 72nd AD!&#8221; by bluedog in the O.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluedog in the O.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, I hereby make a very half-hearted and ambivalent endorsement of Mr. Harper. Your words not mine!!! 

You used the word Endorsement that seems quite clear, hard to take that back after it is written. But I will forgive you perhaps, as long as that standard of forgiveness is equally applied.

Joe will be listed as a Democrat on the ballot, which is a requirement for receiving the OCYD Endorsement and seeking the Dem party endorsement.

Art? I seen it myself, I have Google alerts, I do talk to Art I will not deny that, I also talk to you, Greg, Chris, Dan plus a lot of non blog people so what? I have no interest in taking sides in blog battles.

26% of the district are independants, 25 % of the Republican voters are Asian surmanes which equal 11% of the total vote.

32% + 26% + 11% = 69% of the vote Joe can potentially compete for.

NO wonder that some unknown councilmember or unknown  Republican(s) talked an 89 year old hispanic surnamed person into running and perhaps a young never registered to vote non 72nd- resident white 23 year old into pulling papers. Who lives currently in Newport according to public records.

You may be right, the Republicans may not want any representative from Little Siagon to have a chance to be represented. They certainly seem to be making every effort to knock them all out. That should help the community realize that the current Republican party leadership of this county is only interested in promoting and protecting the big money special interests you say you oppose.

And you just let them play you like a violin with this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, I hereby make a very half-hearted and ambivalent endorsement of Mr. Harper. Your words not mine!!! </p>
<p>You used the word Endorsement that seems quite clear, hard to take that back after it is written. But I will forgive you perhaps, as long as that standard of forgiveness is equally applied.</p>
<p>Joe will be listed as a Democrat on the ballot, which is a requirement for receiving the OCYD Endorsement and seeking the Dem party endorsement.</p>
<p>Art? I seen it myself, I have Google alerts, I do talk to Art I will not deny that, I also talk to you, Greg, Chris, Dan plus a lot of non blog people so what? I have no interest in taking sides in blog battles.</p>
<p>26% of the district are independants, 25 % of the Republican voters are Asian surmanes which equal 11% of the total vote.</p>
<p>32% + 26% + 11% = 69% of the vote Joe can potentially compete for.</p>
<p>NO wonder that some unknown councilmember or unknown  Republican(s) talked an 89 year old hispanic surnamed person into running and perhaps a young never registered to vote non 72nd- resident white 23 year old into pulling papers. Who lives currently in Newport according to public records.</p>
<p>You may be right, the Republicans may not want any representative from Little Siagon to have a chance to be represented. They certainly seem to be making every effort to knock them all out. That should help the community realize that the current Republican party leadership of this county is only interested in promoting and protecting the big money special interests you say you oppose.</p>
<p>And you just let them play you like a violin with this post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens Veto Power over Gifts of Public Funds Needed by Double Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;referendum&quot;  cool, will look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;referendum&#8221;  cool, will look it up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;TOO BAD, VIETS!&#8221; says the OC GOP, &#8220;It&#8217;s NOT YOUR TIME in the 72nd AD!&#8221; by Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU claim that Joe has changed, transformed, and is no longer the backstabber of sixteen months ago.  Well, even if that&#039;s true - why is he not loud and proud about being a Democrat?  NOBODY respects someone who&#039;s ashamed or sneaky about what they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU claim that Joe has changed, transformed, and is no longer the backstabber of sixteen months ago.  Well, even if that&#8217;s true &#8211; why is he not loud and proud about being a Democrat?  NOBODY respects someone who&#8217;s ashamed or sneaky about what they are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens Veto Power over Gifts of Public Funds Needed by Mayor Quimby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mayor Quimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citizens have veto power through a constitutional provision we call a&quot;referendum&quot;.

You might want to look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizens have veto power through a constitutional provision we call a&#8221;referendum&#8221;.</p>
<p>You might want to look it up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Challenge to Disingenuous Don Wagner by Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, doesn&#039;t look like we&#039;re gonna get thru to Spanky.  CalBuzz did a wonderful job with this and other Republican tantrums over the decision though, in their

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Crack GOP Shyster Team Lectures State Supremes&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;Of all the silly ape dances performed by California Republican apparatchiks in recent years, few have been as puerile as the tantrum they tossed over the state Supreme Court’s unanimous ruling upholding newly drawn senate districts...&quot;

The whole thing must be read
http://www.calbuzz.com/2012/02/crack-gop-shyster-team-lectures-state-supremes/
But here&#039;s their bit on Spanky&#039;s effort:

&quot;next up for the crack Republican legal team comes Donald P. (Perry Mason) Wagner, an obscure Orange County assemblyman, who takes to the home page of Flashreport, that noted journal of jurisprudence, to school the obviously unlettered justices on their utter ignorance:

&quot; &#039;Lawless. That’s the right word for the Supreme Court’s decision last week in the redistricting case. Lawless, in that it ignored the law to reach a decision the Court was explicitly prohibited from reaching.&#039;

&quot;Cacoethes loquendi.

&quot;Now the GOP stands at a crossroads: Keep enlisting high-powered legal talent – maybe Jack McCoy, Ally McBeal and Arnie Becker are free – or hunker down and start doing the hard political work needed to rebuild their stature and influence in California by putting forth some ideas that might appeal beyond the ranks of brain dead ideologues...&quot;

&quot;An obscure Orange County assemblyman&quot; - we forget that out here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, doesn&#8217;t look like we&#8217;re gonna get thru to Spanky.  CalBuzz did a wonderful job with this and other Republican tantrums over the decision though, in their</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Crack GOP Shyster Team Lectures State Supremes&#8221;</b></p>
<p>&#8220;Of all the silly ape dances performed by California Republican apparatchiks in recent years, few have been as puerile as the tantrum they tossed over the state Supreme Court’s unanimous ruling upholding newly drawn senate districts&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The whole thing must be read<br />
<a href="http://www.calbuzz.com/2012/02/crack-gop-shyster-team-lectures-state-supremes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.calbuzz.com/2012/02/crack-gop-shyster-team-lectures-state-supremes/</a><br />
But here&#8217;s their bit on Spanky&#8217;s effort:</p>
<p>&#8220;next up for the crack Republican legal team comes Donald P. (Perry Mason) Wagner, an obscure Orange County assemblyman, who takes to the home page of Flashreport, that noted journal of jurisprudence, to school the obviously unlettered justices on their utter ignorance:</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8216;Lawless. That’s the right word for the Supreme Court’s decision last week in the redistricting case. Lawless, in that it ignored the law to reach a decision the Court was explicitly prohibited from reaching.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;Cacoethes loquendi.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now the GOP stands at a crossroads: Keep enlisting high-powered legal talent – maybe Jack McCoy, Ally McBeal and Arnie Becker are free – or hunker down and start doing the hard political work needed to rebuild their stature and influence in California by putting forth some ideas that might appeal beyond the ranks of brain dead ideologues&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;An obscure Orange County assemblyman&#8221; &#8211; we forget that out here.</p>
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