Labor Day Holiday Weekend Open Thread: Anti-Disinformation League

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Who can nail the dual themes of Labor Day and Disinformation in one photo? OJB can!

This post marks my finally being totally banned from posting even takedown notices at “Liberal” OC, something I discovered only after composing a long comment on the topic addressed below, expecting to take a screenshot of it languishing in moderation (for potential later republication here.)  I’m told that people hate my “meta” posts, so a long (possibly boring for some?) holiday weekend is a good time to post one.

Chumley picked an inopportune time to ban me, because I really wanted to deny a bit of “double-duty” disinformation put out by either the Young Kim campaign or someone who didn’t mind helping it out so long as they could also slime me.  Here’s the post and Chumley’s reply:

Isn’t it nice that Chumley tells the lying troll how to wangle even deeper into his heart?  (The troll commenter used a pseudonym that Chumley claims Michael Fox used to promote his wife’s political interests, but left out the middle name; I honestly don’t know whether that charge of sockpuppetry is true or not, as it could easily have been a “set-up.”  That explanation would presume more effort, but has the advantage of not requiring one to believe that Mike Fox is an idiot, which he appears not to be.)

My first inclination, even before trying to reply, was to find out whether Young Kim really was stupid enough to give me a forum to slam her for trying to use me to slam Gil Cisneros. (Let’s just say that the jury’s out on that one, but I could find no indication of it online.)  But the troll commenter’s purpose is not just to gouge a thumb into Mike Fox’s eye, but to make it look like I was helping to undermine Gil — for whom I plan to vote (by mail) next month.  It has enough surface plausibility for me to want to both deny it and to issue Chumley a takedown notice — which I suppose will now have to be done by mail.  (I appreciate Chumley not caring a whit about someone being goaded to “kick my ass” — which is also typical of my political opponents.)

The accusation is baseless.  As people may recall from my write-up of Melissa Fazli’s charges that she was sexually harassed — or maybe just propositioned — by Gil Cisneros, I examined them very closely and determined that even taking every fact she mentioned as true, it still didn’t add up to Cisneros making a sexual overture towards her, whether an “appropriate” or not.  So the anonymous troll given space in Chumley’s defamation parlor without my right of response had it exactly backwards: I defended Cisneros from charges that I had been willing to believe if they made sense — but (at least as stated) they didn’t make sense.

[Note: For those disinclined to click the link: essentially, what Cisneros wanted from Fazli was exactly one thing: her endorsement of him.  She interpreted it as his being interested in a sexual liaison with her — but without apparent grounds.  I can’t rul out that possibility definitively — I wasn’t there — nor can I assert that she didn’t honestly believe it to be true.  What I can say that the facts she describes, taken at face value, don’t provide a solid basis for the accusation.]

I took some flak for this, most strongly from an unexpected quarter: Fazli’s primary opponent Gregg Fritchle, who believed that any accusation of the sort by a woman should be presumed true.  (This led to much argument.)  I vaguely recall that either Chumley or one of his pseudonymous commenters went after me on that ground as well — it may even have been the one who accused of undermining Cisneros.  (Pseudonymous commenters are hard to hold responsible for consistency, after all.)

Note also that my defense of Cisneros at that time was “against my political interests” at that time, because after Jay Chen dropped out of the race I was supporting either Phil Janowitz or Andy Thorburn, leaning towards and then finally settling on Thorburn when Janowitz exited the race.  You can read my reasoning — and a long colloquy with Cisneros supporter Donovan —  here.  (My criticism of Gil for his part in the Thorburn report stands, but it’s not enough to oppose him — on his worst day, he’d still be way better than Royce/Trump lackey Young Kim.)

I’ve been encountering a whole lot of online ads — including YouTube ads — from Kim’s campaign hitting Cisneros in much the way that Cisneros hit Thorburn in his “Thorburn tax evader” report.  One hit claims that he invested in a company that does business in Iran — a nation that (I’m paraphrasing here) brags about murdering Americans!  (Seriously?  How many companies do business in Iran these days, 39 years after the hostage crisis?  I’d like Kim and her husband Charles to release their own investment records so that they can be scoured for hypocrisy!  Quote me on THAT, Ms. Kim!)  A second claim — and they both showed an image of Cisneros only briefly, otherwise giving the impression that he’s a morbidly obese man smoking a cigar — was along the lines that either he or some company invested in had not paid taxes or something like that.  (The charge was expressed quickly and was hard to follow — but it was all about emotion, not about logic.)  If I had been on the fence between the two of them, those lame attacks would have pushed me towards Gil.

At any rate, if anyone does run into any example of Young Kim purporting to quote me slamming Gil for sexual misconduct, please record it or snap it and let me know.  I would like to take her to task, in that event, loudly and clearly enough to make her regret it.

This is a also good time for readers to check out some of our archived stories about Young Kim:

Who Was Lying — Ed Royce’s Staffer Young Kim or His DC Chief of Staff Amy Porter?

Is Young Kim Advising Ed Royce to Continue Holding the U.S. Economy Hostage? Ask Her!

Fibbin’ Young Kim, ‘the Bigoted Buttkicker,’ Disses Norby & Latinos, Explains Racialized Strategy

Young Kim, OC GOP, and their Gay-Bashing Habit: “I Just Cain’t Quit Yew…”

Young Kim’s Two Biggest Lies: Quirk-Silva DOESN’T Oppose Prop 13, Kim DOESN’T Support Veterans When It Counts

Sharon Quirk-Silva Slimed by Young Kim Personally and Professionally – Tell Kim It’s Out of Line!

Young Kim on Trump’s Child Separation: “…but what’s the real story behind it?”

If we’re not going to be embarrassed by Young Kim on a national stage, we’ll have to act quickly!  That means going with Gil Cisneros.  At least he’s served his country honorably!

This is, among other things, your Long Holiday Weekend Open Thread.  Talk about the above, or anything else you’d like, within reasonable bounds of decorum and discretion!

About Greg Diamond

Somewhat verbose attorney, semi-retired due to disability, residing in northwest Brea. Occasionally runs for office against bad people who would otherwise go unopposed. Got 45% of the vote against Bob Huff for State Senate in 2012; Josh Newman then won the seat in 2016. In 2014 became the first attorney to challenge OCDA Tony Rackauckas since 2002; Todd Spitzer then won that seat in 2018. Every time he's run against some rotten incumbent, the *next* person to challenge them wins! He's OK with that. Deposed as Northern Vice Chair of DPOC in April 2014 (in violation of Roberts Rules) when his anti-corruption and pro-consumer work in Anaheim infuriated the Building Trades and Teamsters in spring 2014, who then worked with the lawless and power-mad DPOC Chair to eliminate his internal oversight. Expelled from DPOC in October 2018 (in violation of Roberts Rules) for having endorsed Spitzer over Rackauckas -- which needed to be done. None of his pre-putsch writings ever spoke for the Democratic Party at the local, county, state, national, or galactic level, nor do they now. One of his daughters co-owns a business offering campaign treasurer services to Democratic candidates and the odd independent. He is very proud of her. He doesn't directly profit from her work and it doesn't affect his coverage. (He does not always favor her clients, though she might hesitate to take one that he truly hated.) He does advise some local campaigns informally and (so far) without compensation. (If that last bit changes, he will declare the interest.)