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I always thought of Garden Grove Councilman Chris Phan as an honest, trustworthy Republican politician, and wrote nice things about him when he ran for Supervisor. He would be the de facto swing vote on council for or against approving a resolution against the Poseidon desal plant. Two meetings ago he joined the majority in asking for the resolution (and harsh letter to OCWD member Dina Nguyen) to be rewritten and toned down a little. And this was done, very well. (I’ll reprint the new statement below.)
A day before last Tuesday’s meeting Mr Phan told me plainly (by Facebook message) that he was going to support the re-written resolution/letter (which has sort of morphed into one thing.) Then Tuesday night he pulled the rug out from under us, praising the resolution but refraining from passing it because “It’s too early, there’s still time.” WTF? If you agree with what’s in that resolution (below) then NOW is the time to weigh in on the Poseidon term sheet, NOT later when it has gathered so much institutional momentum that it’s inevitable.
I asked him later that night, WHEN will be the correct time, and will YOU be the one to bring it back? (Since long-suffering Mayor Bao Nguyen has done it twice and been let down both times.) He responded “will see, but I will be tracking the project closely.” I sure hope so, because I will be tracking Councilman Phan closely, and I hope I’m not wrong about him being the sort of Republican politician that we can trust.
The other two Republicans on council have sort of done what I’d expected from them, and not disqualified themselves from generous Poseidon contributions for their future political ambitions. Steve Jones is simply the kind of businessman/politician you would EXPECT to love the Poseidon boondoggle – a developer who sees nothing wrong with the Garden Grove ratepayer subsidizing more development down south of Irvine; a close friend of Lou Correa’s; and a driving force behind Garden Grove’s very thirsty new water park, the Great Wolf Lodge. Phat Bui, an ardent and devoted lover of his own voice, cast doubt on so many facts in GG water staff’s report (“I don’t know if THIS is true. And I don’t know if THIS is true. And I cannot sign my name to THAT statement…”) that Debbie Cook was reminded of the classic 2012 Rex Huppke essay “The Death of Facts.” (Please read if you haven’t.)
The two Democrats, Mayor Bao Nguyen and Councilman Kris Beard, were stalwart and sensible Poseidon opponents, looking out for their constituents’ pocketbooks and the county’s precious shoreline. But they were not the only Democrats in the house:
Young Dems For Sale…
At the previous meeting, it was the OC Young Democrats’ (OCYD) new chairman Jonathan Barba who sat in the back left corner with the Poseidon veep, consultants and lobbyists, and came up to the podium to express his group’s support for the Poseidon project and to repeatedly chant the words “Do-All Approach” in the hope that would stick, and help his powerful new friends.
Jonathan “Jonny” Barba, new OCYD chair.
This last meeting, the OCYD were represented by a girl maybe 19 whom I won’t name, who introduced herself as the “chair of the OCYD’s environmental and natural resources committee,” and assured us, with all her great authority, that the environmental impacts of the proposed plant had been vastly exaggerated by everyone else. For one thing, the open intakes – which (at the current electrical plant) have been slaughtering millions of fish larvae for decades, and which the Coastal Commission wants phased out but Poseidon plans on using for another half-century – according to this young scientist, these intakes actually kill “less fish per day than are caught on the HB Pier.” Her answer to concerns over the brine plume? “Look over there – heavy metals are worse!” (Seriously, video below.)
How does she and her committee know all this counterintuitive information which flies in the face of all other environmental study? So glad you asked – they have been studying Poseidon’s environmental impacts for an ENTIRE TWO MONTHS – and that’s not all – they’ve been studying in partnership with OC Water Independence, Sustainability and Efficiency (OC WISE.)
Sulnick jokes at a recent water meeting: “I was just going to make up an answer!”
Wow. Did this young environmentalist, do OCYD, know what readers of this blog already know, that OC WISE is a classic and recently formed ASTROTURF group, led by admitted Poseidon consultant and sometime “environmental attorney” Robert Sulnick, with a website registered by the wife and boss of Poseidon’s main consultant? Apparently not. Does this youngster even know the meaning of “astroturf” and “greenwashing?” Apparently not, from the blank stare I got back from her. Does she see how this is a problem? Again, NOT.
I don’t want to pick on this girl, who may be just going through a phase. In fact I believe her talk was written by Sulnick, I recognized sentences from one of his recent columns. And on that note, real chickenhawk move Mr. Sulnick sending this girl out with that “fishing on the Pier” line to get laughed at.
Is this normal or proper anyway, for such an important sector of the local Democrat Party to work so symbiotically with a (to say the least) very controversial corporation? I don’t even see young Republicans doing that. (And John Earl points out that it didn’t even occur to this Young Dem to utter a sentence or two in support of that evening’s other hot issue, which had brought out a gaggle of service union and immigrants’ rights people: a resolution in support of President Obama’s immigration policies.)
Anyway, I’d promised to share Garden Grove’s improved letter, now addressed to the whole OCWD board, not just Dina.
The Garden Grove Letter to OCWD
RE: Opposition to Current Terms for Construction of the Poseidon Desalination Project.
Honorable President Green and Directors:
The city of Garden Grove respectfully opposes the current Term Sheet … While respectful of the Board’s efforts over many years to expand both the capacity and availability of water for GG residents and businesses, we believe your current position on the subject project is seriously flawed. We believe it incumbent on us as the elected municipal leadership of GG to advise you of our opposition as well as to express our commitment to collaborate with you in identifying the most cost-effective, environmentally responsible alternatives in meeting OC’s water needs.
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Garden Grove’s Public Works Director Bill Murray, author of the original resolution and letter, probably feeling like it’s Groundhog Day again.
Topping the list of our concerns is the extremely high cost to GG consumers the Poseidon Project represents. Not only does the Term Sheet pose substantial increases in the cost of water to our residents and business community, it does so for the next 30 years. Any decision by the Board to approve this project with costs in the range cited in the Term Sheet will burden ratepayers for decades. It will adversely impact low and middle-income households alike as well as escalate costs for the business community. Ratepayers will be saddled with these costs irrespective of water conservation efforts or the development of alternative water sources.
A second major concern is the lack of identified alternatives to desalination. The OCWD has a long history of examining and implementing cost-effective means of providing water resources to OC. We are at a loss to understand why you have not conducted a similar assessment of alternatives to desalination. At a minimum, we would expect the same level of analysis that has been put into the feasibility of desalination to be applied to a range of alternatives. These include but are not limited to expanding the recycled water system; constructing additional measures within and adjacent to local storm channels allowing the infiltration of storm water into the basin; purchasing MWDOC water during times of excess water availability and recharging the basin as well as the promotion of water conservation. Absent such an analysis, it is impossible to know whether desalination is the soundest, long-term economic investment for OC. Similarly, it is impossible to know whether the environmental implications of desalination are comparable to or greater than the range of alternatives available if those alternatives are not fully analyzed.
Turns out interim manager Allan Roeder (an old friend from Costa Mesa) wrote this revised letter.
Finally, we believe it imperative that there be greater engagement of local public and private retail water purveyors, other public agencies (such as the OC Sanitation District and the OC Flood Control District), and consumers in assessing the full range of options including desalination. The ultimate impact of desalination or any of the alternatives will impact everyone in OC. Consequently, all of the stakeholders in providing water to the consumers must take an active role in the decision-making process. In so stating, the city of GG readily acknowledges its prior decision to decline further participation in the Poseidon HB Ocean Desal Workgroup. That decision was made based on the economics of desal and the lack of identified alternatives subjected to the same level of scrutiny. The city of GG stands ready to resume an active, participatory role with the District if there is a receptiveness to consider all the alternatives on an equal basis.
In closing, it would be irresponsible of us not to acknowledge the critical water shortage facing all Californians. While GG is fortunate to have access to the groundwater basin to meet the majority of our demands, we realize this is not the case for either OC or the state as a whole. As a consequence we must all consider the “Big Picture” as well as our own local needs. The Poseidon Desal project will not alter in any way the current water shortage, nor will any of the identified alternatives – except for greater conservation efforts. GG water consumers are responding to this challenge as are hundreds of communities throughout the state. The current drought should not be used as a basis for decision-making on a singular project which will have long time financial and environmental consequences.
We look forward to working with you to insure all alternatives – including desalination – are thoroughly evaluated on an equal basis to insure water resources for GG and all of OC in a cost-effective and environmentally responsible manner for the future. If you wish to discuss this further, please do not hesitate to contact William Murray, Public Works Director…
Video of the meeting.
High points of public comments: Dina Nguyen (FINALLY attending a meeting and bitching about how mean Josh McIntosh and Mayor Bao are; she would like extra time because she is speaking for SO many Poseidon lovers – she does not get extra time. 1 hour 14 min.) The OCYD girl – 2 hours 27 min. MY speech (which I’ll re-type below because it was one of my better ones and everyone liked it – 2 hours 18 min.)
My speech!
Vern Nelson, Huntington Beach, Orange Juice Blog, water drinker. I have to first respond to a few things a couple of the council members said at the last meeting.
First. Mr. Bui and Mr. Jones both brought up the arguable fact that the term sheet with Poseidon is not final, not set in stone. (I say “arguable” because OCWD Chairwoman Cathy Green has been going around talking like it IS finalized.) Mr. Bui says we should wait and see how the final deal shapes up before we weigh in.
I know Mr. Bui is a smart guy, a science teacher I think, but still his logic here makes no sense to me, it’s backwards. NOW is the time, BEFORE the deal is finalized, for a city like Garden Grove to weigh in, and make it known if they don’t like how the deal is shaping up. Not later when it’s TOO LATE. Of course that’s what Poseidon wants, but what sense does that make? Like the Mayor said, you will AT LEAST give OCWD more bargaining power if you register your disapproval NOW.
Another thing Mr. Bui was wrong about: he claimed that Water Board member Dina Nguyen is now in charge of representing the interests of the entire OCWD area now, not just Garden Grove ratepayers. With respect, NO, Mr. Bui. Representative democracy, sir, representative democracy! The lovely Ms Dina is supposed to represent the interests of her constituents who elected her, most of them here in lovely Garden Grove.
Not that it matters that much, the proposed plant is bad for ALL of North and Central OC, the ratepayers who will have to pay extra money while not getting any actual new water, BUT making more MET water available to developers in arid, wasteful, South County.
I also have to take exception to to Mayor Pro Tem Jones’ use of the word “conservative.” The point he was making was he didn’t feel Garden Grove should take any leadership on a matter like this. Why should we get out in front, he asked, why don’t we wait for some other cities to go first, find out what THEY think. “We’ve always been a CONSERVATIVE city,” he said, “we don’t get out in front on things like this.”
No, I’m sorry, Mr. Jones, conservative does NOT mean sitting on your hands and doing nothing while waiting for some OTHER city council to look after their constituents’ interests first. Conservative means not blowing gobs of public money on some hare-brained scheme like this.
I also got the chance to hear some of the public comments again, online. There was one union leader, not Ernesto, some white guy from I think the electrical workers or something. An entertaining speaker, a real raconteur. I think he had just seen the movie San Andreas, and he told the tale of driving around Southern California, looking at our water infrastructure, and thinking of how an inevitable “TEN ON THE RICHTER SCALE” quake would destroy all that, and how we need Poseidon because of that. (I don’t know why “ten” on the Richter scale, 7 or 8 would be scary enough.)
In any case, this union leader either didn’t know, or chose not to mention, the fact that the proposed Poseidon plant would be located squarely on the Newport-Inglewood fault. Don’t you think that sort of TOPPLES his case that Poseidon could be our insurance against seismic disaster?
Speaking of unions, I welcome all my union brothers and sisters who came out tonight, I sincerely believe that you’re the backbone of America. I’d be honored to be a union member, but the Musicians’ Union sucks.
I have to say I don’t understand why your leaders push so hard for projects that don’t make any sense, like putting toll lanes on the 405 when building new free lanes would be just as much union work, or supporting boondoggles in Anaheim that don’t even have guarantees of union hires.
When Poseidon brings a bunch of union workers to a meeting like this, it’s because they’re getting desperate and trying to influence the Democrats on the dais. But I hope you all know that we’re only talking about 25 permanent jobs at Poseidon; a couple of thousand construction jobs, just off and on, piecemeal, for a couple of years.
Let me finish with a story (and I sure like having five minutes instead of three!)
Last time that there was a bunch of guys in hard hats and vests at a meeting like this was the spring meeting where the OCWD approved the Poseidon term sheet. I went out for a smoke, and so did a young union worker. A Latino fellow, 30 or so, from a neighboring county, I think a pipe-fitter. We had a smoke together.
I asked him, what did your bosses tell you? He said, they asked us to come out, to listen to everything because it affects us, and to speak if we wanted to. That seemed reasonable enough.
So I asked, what do you think? He surprised me: “I listened to the whole presentation, and this is a ripoff, man. This company is playing you guys for suckers. I hope you all send them packing back to Connecticut.” And he added, “Don’t worry about us, we’ll find work somewhere else.” (It would have been great if he said all that at the podium, but probably a bad career move.)
And he was right – the Groundwater expansion is a lot of union work; if we decided to build our own desal plant, it would be a lot of union work. But I think we need to be looking at a different labor-intensive project: We’ve got a huge El Niño season coming up this winter, and most of that water is gonna end up washing out to the ocean. We need to get serious about Rainwater Capture. But of course there’s no Connecticut hedge fund group hoping to make billions off Rainwater Capture, and there aren’t dozens of OC poiticians from both parties paid off by the Rainwater Capture industry.
[It’s probably just as well that I was cut off right around here, but the concluding paragraph will hopefully be usable in the near future – it’s up to the indecisive Chris Phan…]
Let me wrap up presumptuously by congratulating the city of Garden Grove for doing the CONSERVATIVE thing for your ratepayers, and approving this resolution against Poseidon. Thank you for your courage, for showing the way to other OC cities, and for OPENING THE FLOOD GATES.
Full tertiary treatment and reclamation of OCSD Discharge water now!!
*We cannot fault you Chairman Vern for effort. You are legion in knowing how to put out the required effort to get our attention. The problem therein lies in your assumptions. Honestly, we have never seen the like of someone who has the greatest distain for desalination. It is almost that your mother was raped by a gang of wayward desalination workers on their way to Cabo for a two week vacation. Or perhaps, something that happened on the road to Cabo…after the sign says: Beyond this point you will require a passport and visa to Guatemala! Good grief sir, Desalination is not the Anti-Christ. It is plainly an alternative to conventional resouvoirs, holding tanks, local wells, run off basins, and alternative methods of using solar panels. Desalination
is used throughout the global community and did not start in Huntington Beach on a Saturday Night after a long night of drinking and drugging. We support Desalination for one express reason – there is no other viable alternative that creates additional supply out of whole cloth.
It is the last option.
The very last one.
Everywhere else in the world that actually uses it has exhausted every other alternative. Those communities that have built desal and have had other alternatives emerge have abandoned desal.
Why? Because it’s the most expensive and energy intensive means to manufacture water ever conceived.
This isn’t complicated. We haven’t exhausted our other options. In fact, we’re not even close to exhausting other options.
The only people pushing this as a solution are either making money from it or unaware of just how expensive this is.
FYI, rape jokes aren’t funny.
hear hear
Poseidon is the problem foremost. Desalination is a possible solution down the road. And rape jokes are in very poor taste.
Vern..now you’re down in it……
*We will start listening when you come up with the cost per acre foot that the Saudi’s are paying for Desal. The cost per acre foot that Aruba is paying. How about bringing up real issues rather that talk with a paper toilet seat cover?
Are there alternatives in Saudi Arabia? Are you suggesting the cost of energy in California is the same as Saudi Arabia?
“How about bringing up real issues”
An excellent suggestion. Try it some time.
http://idadesal.org/desalination-101/desalination-by-the-numbers/
*And your thourghtful and cogent response is?
Please dear friends of quality…..try using a little of it yourself.
I’ll assume you mean thoughtful. If you’re going to be a smartass, spell correctly.
This has absolutely nothing refuting that desal ought to be the last resort when it comes to producing potable water for a massed population
Rather than fling a misspelled insult along with a link, do some critical thinking and address the facts.
Desal is the most expensive option ever considered to produce potable water in southern California. We have cheaper, and better, alternatives available.
*We guess your devining rod is going to save us afterall. We will be rooting you on. Why not try around Board of Supervisors office to start.
With only 13,000 Desalination plants in the world…….we guess you are worried it is an unproven technology. Like Cloud seeding…….. Go get a Jenny bi-wing with that Radial Engine and fly around California dropping cans of Diet Coke…..maybe that will work. An cheap too!
HEY, STOP GUESSING.
IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE.
Jebus.
*Saudi Arabia? Grab your camel Wow…did we say we loved Lawrence of Arabia…let Poseidon do to you what Jose Ferrer did to Peter O’Toole…try it…you’ll like it…circuits overloaded…MELTING…must..Daisy, Daisy give me your answer do…blurb…burp..goodnight…Dave.
*Saudi’s are Sunni’s….we are not supporting the Sunni’s recently. So, you are saying that the Saudi’s have the cheapest desalination plants? Or..what are you saying?
I see your-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Saudi_Arabia
and raise you-
http://www.water-technology.net/projects/al-khafji-solar-saline-water-reverse-osmosis-solar-swro-desalination-plant/
and-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination
(scroll to “Energy Consumption” and “Economics”)
Seriously, are a few clicks on Google and Wikipedia THAT much trouble, or is there an “online-argument ‘high’ ” akin to “runner’s high” that I’m missing?
Turns out my old Costa Mesa pal Allan Roeder, interim GG city manager (and hapless Moorlach homeless appointee according to Zenger) wrote this revised letter; as he felt compelled to make clear after Phat Bui ragged on Bill Murray at length for not revising it to the impotent extent of Bui’s liking. So I added a photo of Allan…
I wouldn’t call the guy hapless. I would call him useless – for all he has done to address homeless issues.
Well, if you want to bring him some of your constructive ideas, if you don’t think that’s a waste of time… I can probably set up a meeting.
Naw.
I read his inane comments in the Voice of OC article. A useless corporatist ’til the end, I’m afraid. Why put a city manager on a commission that wants to do something? The obvious answer is that the commission was just meant to look like something constructive was being done (it wasn’t).
Now Monday night, Huntington Beach! My town and the host of this POS. Council will be voting on a letter, this one just reminding POS and OCWD of all the financial promises POS made to the stupid HB council of 2010, which POS appears to be reneging on now that it’s got its OCWD term sheet.
Reminding them of it, and insisting on it. Here’s the proposed letter, from Mayor Jill Hardy. I think it will pass, and I will be sure to be there… http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/HBlettertoOCWDrePoseidon.pdf
Do any of you remember when the anti-POS HB council of 2012 was considering sending a letter to the Coastal Commission asking them not to approve POS, stating that HB had learned more and changed its mind? POS threatened to sue them if they did that; Hardy Shaw and Boardman laughed them off but Katapodis and Sullivan were worried so instead all 5 anti-POS councilmembers wrote their own individual letters, which I printed here: http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2013/07/huntington-beach-respectfully-asks-coastal-commission-to-shitcan-poseidon/
Well this time it looks like it’s Huntington Beach that may have to sue Poseidon for breaking its promises. And if they DO keep those promises and shoehorn them into the OCWD Term Sheet, I don’t see how they keep their profitability. Ah, the rock and hard place. Ah, the Monday night showdown coming up…
I created a petition this morning, asking the OCWD to hold off on their December vote until we can see what happens with the Carlsbad plant. I hope that many of you will sign it.
https://www.change.org/p/cathy-green-denis-bilodeau-philip-anthony-dina-nguyen-roger-yoh-stephen-sheldon-shawn-dewayne-shawn-dewane-roman-reyna-harry-sidhu-jan-flory-tell-the-o-c-w-d-to-hold-off-on-the-poseidon-contract?recruiter=17132146&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Two years. Okay. Signed.
a reasonable petition, that the Wineslips will vehemently oppose.
We don’t need Desal. We need building permits denied and mcuh cheaper solutions like reuse and capture expanded.
ps – “We had a smoke together.”……
C’mon Vern, it’s time to walk away from those sticks!
*As Pappy said: “Try holding back the tide!” We propose you just ask for all those elected to get drug tested, so we know if they really making sober decisions.
Look what it cost China! http://www.economist.com/news/china/21571437-removing-salt-seawater-might-help-slake-some-northern-chinas-thirst-it-comes-high
Also, why would want a foreign company messing with our water?
General Electric and Citigroup? What does that tell you?
Warburg? Are you kidding me?
Warburg? As in Federal Reserve? And dependable war time financiers?
No, thank you!
POSEIDON WATER LLC is a Foreign Limited Liability Company in Connecticut and its company number is 0910451. POSEIDON WATER LLC was registered on Aug 24, 2007. The company’s status is listed as Active
Poseidon Resources Corporation LLC develops and finances seawater desalination and water treatment plants. The company’s projects include domestic and international water supply and treatment projects. Poseidon Resources Corporation LLC was founded in 1994 and is headquartered in Stamford, Connecticut.
WSJ: General Electric Co. said it had invested in it and would provide filtration technology. Citigroup Inc.’s sustainable-development-investments unit became the lead investor in closely held Poseidon, formed in 1995 by former GE executives and private-equity firm Warburg Pincus. Andrew de Pass, the Citigroup unit’s managing director, says the need for long-term water sources drove the investment. He declined to specify how much Citigroup invested
Warburg Pincus
Since the late 1980s, we have invested or committed over $9 billion across more than 50 energy investments around the world. Our primary areas of investment include:
•Oil and Gas
•Exploration and Production
•Midstream
•Refining
•Oilfield Services
•Power Generation and Transmission
•Alternative Energy and Renewables
•Innovative Energy Technologies
•Mining and Metals
In an environment of volatile commodity prices, regulatory change and technological displacement, we remain committed to the energy and natural resources sector. We have established an outstanding record over more than two decades by supporting entrepreneurs, financing growth investments and capitalizing on buy-out opportunities. The firm pioneered the “Line of Equity,” a multi-year funding commitment that allows management teams to focus on building their businesses without worrying about their next effort to raise capital.
Okay, kids: Warburg Pincus has invested heavily, been the backer, in everything that has caused what we have to fix today and in the future, since we did not fix it yesterday.
Hello? Clean Power Plan this last week? Climate change?
Carbon in the atmosphere and not under our feet, in the soil, where it belongs.
Yada, yada …
That is all anyone needs to know to say NO! NO! and more NO!
Dear GG Council and Young Democrats:
Do not sleep with the devil. It will burn you. Just saying.
Please. And thank you.
*BeeBee, late news from the news room. Your underwear are made in Malaysia at best. Mainland China, Indonesia, Burma and India at worst. The truth of the matter is simple. The Saudi’s only buy the best products, because they use their petro dollars without any regard to cost. They buy lots of Mercedes, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lambo, BMW and such. The point, whoever makes the Saudi Desal system can probably make our systems too. But as usual, the OC Philosophical Blackhole, always says: “Take the lowest bidder – cause we are really, really cheap jerks that seldom care about the consumer or the local citizens. If we want quality…we will go to another country!” Meanwhile, what has the financial make up of the company have to do with their technology? Just asking?
Right, because when I think about a reliable automobile, Ferrari and Lambos top the list.
Ri-fing-diculous.
*RC, you can miss any point you want…you have that right and we defend your right to do that. However, we do detest “Cheap Bureaucrats and Politicians”! Getting the finest technology is important, if you missed the point…again. Good stuff, cost a little more. If you got out of the OC more often you might want to visit some great Aerodromes in Europe, Asia and around the world. These projects are examples of excellence. The contracts were not given to the lowest bidder. They were given because the standard that was set – met the requirements. Still too confused? Sorry, perhaps a small child can explain it to you then?
*Aerodromes and Saudi dromedaries, one hump or two…with your morning coffee? And hippodromes…those Romans built roads to last and no Malaysian underwear under those togas! Did we say how much we admire Julius Caesar…and Caesar salad too…without the egg. Cholesterol much? Wow!
If anyone wasn’t convinced you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to desal . . . that doubt has been removed.
Your point about paying more for superior technology is completely and totally irrelevant to any plant being built on the west coast or any objection I’ve ever seen to Poseidon or any other desal plant.
You’re literally conversing with yourself over an issue that doesn’t apply.
Contrary to popular belief, I don’t enjoy being a know-it-all-jerk. If you really want to participate in the decision, you’re more than welcome– but please at least attempt to discuss in the same universe as the rest of us.
What Ryan said.
*Ok then: One question: Do we need more water in California to create more development? OK….where you going to get it……and how much will it cost to buy lunch for Peer Swan? One more question: Where did you build your last Desalination Plant and how did that turn out for your back pocket constituency?
What the bejebus are you talking about?
If the developers want desal, they can pay for it. I don’t recall ever rationalizing a need to publicly subsidize development. Do I sound like a kleptocrat to you?
“What we have here is a failure ….to communicate!” So, there is little
more we can say….except…..you never answer a question EVER! Let
the developers pay for Desal……and for their own Edison Power Stations and their Solar Panels and their own roads and their own cities. Sounds
good to us. Who are you going to sell that concept to? Just saying…
Did you guys even pay attention to the ridiculous comments made by Phat Bui regarding science?
Well, as it turns out Mayor Bao said to a cop late at night without realizing he was being taped, “Phat Bui is a [expletive.]”
Thanks for the video, Allan!
I’m behind on the news cycle today. What did the Phat Man say?
Just watch the video counsellor. Allan put together a fine medley of his anti-science comments, to which I had only made a passing nod in my text (the Death of Facts)
Aha — I’m reading this on the “comments” page you and I can use behind the scenes; I didn’t see there was a video. Carry on!