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Vern here, Greg is up to his neck in CATER work! I suppose we should have a place to discuss all this freedom of speech, Islamic extremism, and interrelated issues brought up by the recent Charlie Hebdo attacks. Cartoonists can speak for themselves; first here’s the great Tom Tomorrow lampooning EVERYBODY…
And the legendary American underground cartoonist R. Crumb, who’s lived in France for the past couple decades:
Aren’t you kinda curious what Charlie Hebdo printed that got 12 of them killed? (If you haven’t seen the cartoons already?) I know I was, so I’m printing them here. Don’t worry, the Orange Juice Blog offices have the best security available in the Land of the Free.
This first one, which led most immediately to the attacks, features Mohammed being beheaded by an ISIS fighter. Mohammed is saying, “Stop you asshole, don’t you know I’m the prophet?” and the ISIS guy responding “Shut your trap, you infidel!”
WAIT A SECOND. I thought these cartoons were disrespectful of Mohammed. That’s not what I see here! This cartoon is disrespectful of ISIS, and saying they would kill their own supposed prophet if he returned. Hmmmm… Whom are these terrorists really “defending?”
This earlier one, from 2011, which probably led to the paper’s offices being firebombed that year, feature Muhammed as the “guest editor” of that issue, and threatening “100 lashes if you don’t die laughing!”
Well, *I* think that’s kinda funny. One more Muhammed one, this one with him complaining about all the asshole extremists who supposedly act in his name, and bitching “It sure is a drag being loved by these idiots!” Again, who’s being lampooned here? Not the fuckin’ prophet…
To show how unfair and stupid it was for these jerkoffs to choose this magazine for their target, here are just a few more (by their star cartoonist CABU) all of which decry France’s militarization and profiling of North Africans and Muslims. (hat-tip to Greg’s old digs the Daily Kos.) This first one says, simply, “No more racial profiling!”
This next Cabu cartoon ironically quotes racist French demagogue Jean-Marie LePen, whose rallying cry was “We should be able to go out at night without being afraid.” Now, with the young African being chased by racist skinheads, the quote becomes more timely:
And a criticism of what Cabu considers Europe’s bloated military budgets: “These clowns suck the blood of Europe!” and “Let’s put military budgets on a diet!”
Finally, around Christmas-time, forlorn North African youths look through a shop window at a “toy costume for a CRS, the riot control force of the French National police, which has long been accused of brutality and racism.” (Prognet)
Thoughts on the whole clusterfuck?
UPDATE – Charlie Hebdo’s newest cover, to be printed in a million extra copies!
Mohammed: “I am Charlie.”
Awww, c’mon, go ahead and let Fiala’s comments in! LOL
How did you know Fiala was trying to comment on this? Okay, but I’m telling you he still can’t shut up about Jews. I’ve been deleting him not Greg, but if Greg wants to come along and delete him that’s up to him. OK go Stan!
Just figured he wouldn’t be able to resist.
Invoking Stanislaw is just not the same thrill without your yelling “RELEASE THE KRAKEN!”
This is a mistake, as you will soon come to recall. But what is life without mistakes? Enjoy your harvest.
O.k. Vern let’s do this without mentioning the word “jew” Or “lluminati” or any trigger words that will get us censored. the Whole Charlie Hebdo is definitely, most likely at least, a C.I.A. Gladio style op. carried out to shore up support for Israel as well as the right wing governments in Western Europe. France is now fully integrated in the U.S.British Common Wealth, Israel Axis of perpetual war on terror. The 4 terrorist all had a long history of being groomed and tracked by the French secret services and very likely Mossad with extra funding from Qatar and training in Syria working as Anti Regime mercenaries there. The were all taken off the french High Risk terror lists approximately 6 months ago. This was done most most likely on purpose by French Secret Services. Exactly what instructions they were given after that is unclear. Anybody that thinks doesn’t make sense is an idiot!
I love the internet.
WTF?
So you’re saying that French and /or Israeli intelligence agencies duped the “terrorists” into a virtual suicide mission thinking they were actually working for a real terrorist organization? And that the inevitable fallout would help continued support for the War on Terror apparatus?
Aha – tres diabolique!
Not sure just how sincere you post is Mr. Zinger.
However, if we read many many articles on the net we can conclude that there is much more evidence about the history of the named suspect’s involvement with terror charges and terror affiliations sponsored by the French Intelligence Services, than there is evidence that they were even at the Charlie Hebdo office committing the crimes.
Why should any of us believe that they were duped into a suicide mission if we have no idea if that was them there at Charlie Hebdo or if they were even killed at the printing shop? We are relying on an I.D. that was left in the vehicle of the suspect’s car? hmmmm.
There is no reported evidence that the two Kouachi Brothers were in direct contact with the suspect of the Kosher Deli shooting, Mr. Hamyd Mourad. (is there?) Supposedly the girlfriends had extensive conversations though right?
Do we have any quotes about actual planning and coordination from alleged telephone conversations? Why are we never provided any evidence? national security?
So you are saying that these men ended up just being useful photographs and corpses for French and/or Israeli security forces that actually committed the assaults?
Or what?
Hmmm.
Mr. Zenger, you are asking me if these men were just useful photographs and corpses? We have no idea if they are corpses. It appears that they have been useful for sometime though.
The one brother claimed he was framed in 2008 for organizing a ring of terrorists and then more recently, it is reported that they were in Syria fighting against the Assad Regime. These two brothers are French Algerian. Let’s look up the “Buttes Chaumont Group” That is one of the French terrorists groups that they were associated with and supposedly has ties to French intelligence. Be right back.
Good grief.
If this is your worldview, then nothing…literally NOTHING…is as it seems.
Have fun being paranoid the rest of your life!
Paranoia is optional and not really necessary. We really don’t need to perpetuate more fear.
I can guarantee that Fiala knows most of this and maybe even more. But he has a very foul anti-politically correct mouth. So he is censored.
Kinda tough to get one’s message across when the only way one can do it (which shows his lack of intelligence and imagination) is in a “very foul” way.
Nipsey, look up the history of
C.I.A. Gladio “stay behind armies” ,
NATO – Gladio operations.
The Al Qaeda link to C.I.A and Qatar training camps.
U.S. Homeland Security, Israel Homeland Security
History of False Flags in Europe as well as the U.S.
Look up the bombing of the U.S. liberty by Israel
Look up the bombing of the king David Hotel in British Palestine-Israel.
Look up Stern Gang Israel.
Look up invasion- bombing of Gaza, summer 2014.
No, I had my fill of this stuff when I spent an hour on timecube.com 15+ years ago.
And me when my teenaged sons were way into Alex Jones.
Well you are liar Grofaz!…. but what can you expect from the convicted felon.
As far as I can read in the first amendment it says nothing about exclusion of Jews and anti-politically correct speech.
Your interpretation of US Constitution is same as ISIS interpretation of Koran.
But you are too primitive member of the intelligentsia
Constitution and First Amendment got nothing to do with it. I own this blog and I don’t have to let anything on here that I don’t like. (Though I usually do.)
“I own this blog”…….. Hmmmmm
Prove it!
Since you are publishing your blog it is not private but subject to the legal constitutionality.
(i.e. if you own apartment you can’t evict a homosexual because you do not like him)
Unless you are left-liberal-progressive-socialist, you can’t own someones unalienable rights! ……. by deleting, dislike or by other means including killing.
Darn right there Vern –
Maybe Fiala has a valid point here …
Report: Some French Muslims Blaming Paris Attacks On ‘Shape-Shifting Jews’
http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/13/report-some-french-muslims-blaming-paris-attacks-on-shape-shifting-jews/
… and then again maybe not.
They, uh … know about the shape-shifting?
Well, I’ll be busy for the rest of the night. Emergency meeting to attend. Move along.
During any murder investigation, the detectives always look on “who is the biggest beneficiary” and then follow the money.
Any reasonable person must ask: Why Be Be was most visible in the Paris march and Obama was not even there.
I stop here!
Not all Jews are Shape Shifters. So let’s not go there Skallywag.
Glenn Greenwald offers this critical view: “…Some of the cartoons published by Charlie Hebdo were not just offensive but bigoted…” and that a new principle of free speech has risen…” one not only defends the right to disseminate the speech, but embraces the content of the speech itself…”
In Solidarity With a Free Press: Some More Blasphemous Cartoons https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/09/solidarity-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/
A response to this view states that “…it does look like many of the cartoons are actually saying the exact opposite of the racist, sexist, and/or Islamophobic messages that people unfamiliar with the magazine are claiming…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/11/1356945/-On-not-understanding-Charlie-Why-many-smart-people-are-getting-it-wrong
Yeah, that last part… that’s what I was saying.
I do not know what you have said Grofaz but I say that the political correctness is dead as I was fighting it here at OJB since 2002 with Pedroza.
It fell under its own non-Americana gravity.
Well, in all fairness the last cartoon posted by them before the attack was not of Muhammed, it was of the Zionist Simon Elliot who plays ISIS ISIL Super Villain “al Baghdadi”.
Where do you GET this stuff?
I suspect that he got it from the One America News (TV) – “mamaluke” segment.
something tells me that somewhere in all this I should be offended
greg, vern, a little help
You should be offended that someone has been appropriating your name for assholish comments on OC Weekly and Liberal OC. I wouldn’t bother trying to get you offended about mistreatment of others, but this involves your brand.
The controversy continues :
” That’s what’s tricky about two-layer satire like Charlie Hebdo’s: the joke only works if you see both layers, which often requires conversant knowledge of French politics or culture. If you don’t see that layer, then the covers can seem to say something very different and very racist.
To get a sense of how Charlie Hebdo’s two-layer humor works, recall this 2008 cover from the New Yorker. It portrayed Barack Obama, then a presidential candidate, as Muslim. And it portrayed his wife, Michelle Obama, as a rifle-toting militant in the style of the black nationalists of the 1960s. It caused some controversy.
If you saw this cover knowing nothing about the New Yorker or very little about American politics, you would read it as a racist and Islamophobic portrayal of the Obamas, an endorsement of the idea that they are secret black nationalist Muslims. In fact, though, most Americans immediately recognized that the New Yorker was in fact satirizing Republican portrayals of the Obamas, and that the cover was lampooning rather than endorsing that portrayal”
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/they-are-not-exactly-charlie-20150115
http://www.vox.com/2015/1/12/7518349/charlie-hebdo-racist
Some of the rejection of Hebdo’s work characterizes it as islamophobic, in the context of pronounced global anti-muslim sentiments.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/hypocrisy_abounds_free_speech_as_cover_for_islamophobia_20150115
The two layers are the very essence of the satire. You can’t have single layer satire.
The problem is that radical left, right or Islam do not understand satire because they can’t see the second layer.
I recall two excellent satiric expressions about Obama, one with the watermelons in front of the WH and the second with two mature monkeys and their baby saying that the Obama’s birth certificate was found (something like that).
In each case the promulgators of it were virtually slaughtered by left same as slaughter in Paris, including Nelson and Diamond, screaming racism and Diamond often screams antisemitism on everything satiric about Jews including GOLEM and GROFAZ.
Probably one of famous satires is Humpty Dumpty representing King Richard III. , called the “humpbacked king” who fell off his horse and was hacked to pieces on the battlefield. Many other second layers exists in adaptation of Humpty Dumpty lyrics.
This blog is clear example of misunderstanding the satire.
You’re wrong Stanislaw … those images did NOT have a “second layer” – they meant exactly what they seemed to mean, that Obama was ridiculous and not qualified to be President because he was black.
[You’re wrong Stanislaw … those images did NOT have a “second layer”]…………. Hmmmmmmmm
I have lived for 25 years in the communist system ČSSR where satiric expression was the only public expression and I can see more then one second layer.
Reiterating: By the definition a progressive can’t see only forward! No left, No right, No up, No down and no back.
With such handicap a progressive can’t see second layer and must resort to extremism like “OCCUPIER”
As to your New Yorker?……. add word Mohammad to it and see how great it is.
The satire is not humor nor it is an entertainment!….. It is a form of expressed political impressionism which lye in the eye of the beholder depending on his/her IQ level, therefore, challenged progressives’ second layer is the hate an racism.
In contrast, I with my higher intelligence, see Darwin’s hypotheses that we have all came from the monkeys and that there is a missing link in his hypotheses as was Obama’s missing birth certificate.
That does not make Obama bigger monkey that rest of us.
The watermelons signaled to me a change Democratic Presidential farming:
NO MORE PEANUTS!
New Yorker – that was a great one, Ricardo:
(Click for larger image)
“New Yorker – that was a great one, Ricardo”……… Hmmmmmmm
Only in your fata morgana progressive vision.