[This post will be returned to its home of Sept. 19 after the forum has ended.]
A program entitled “Symposium on the Impact of Oil Extraction in Orange County” has been scheduled for Tuesday, September 23, 6:00 p.m., at the Titan Student Union, Cal State Fullerton. The stated purpose of the event is to “provide local policy makers and the public objective, impartial information about the environmental impact of oil extraction in north Orange County.”
The symposium comes at a time when many in North OC and elsewhere across the country are rightly concerned about the practice of hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” and the…
*That should be a “Lightning in a bottle” type meeting……eh?
Let’s not let real scientific studies get in the way of beating up on the energy companies now, just because they might actually be right about the subject or anything. Now before you go and start slamming my mental abilities or political views, read this first.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/its-defective-wells-not-drilling-or-injecting-fluid-earth-cause-water-contamination-fracking-operations-180952695/?utm_source=facebook.com&no-ist
“Now before you go and start slamming my mental abilities or political views, read this first.”
Um, yeah. Did you did actually read the entire article, including the part where these poor, persecuted energy companies rushed sloppily constructed wells into service, causing the well leakage?
If you die on the table in hospital, it doesn’t matter whether it’s because the surgeon nicked your aorta or the anesthesiolgist was on oxycodone. You’re still dead and the hospital is still getting sued.
If there’s a safe way to frack, great. Do it that way. But that requires strict adherence to proper procedure, and must include a comprehensive list of every chemical being actually being put underground, because as we’ve discussed before, if you don’t know what’s going down there you can’t properly evaluate safety.
Nipsey,
No arguments with the points you raised. Here’s some more to digest on the matter.
“These results appear to rule out the possibility that methane has migrated up into drinking water aquifers because of horizontal drilling or hydraulic fracturing, as some people feared,” said Avner Vengosh, professor of geochemistry and water quality at Duke.”
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-09/du-cwi091014.php
It also raises the issue you did, Nipsey. Again, I have NO argument with that either.
What about fracking chemicals and waste water leaking through the concrete lining later on?
Leaks that defy gravity?
Interesting.
(Vern, how about embedding a video from Wicked here.)
Gravity can be overcome by pressure by below. Wait, let me verify that by holding a toothpaste tube upright and applying pressure on the bottom.
This will take me just a moment.
…
Yyyyessss,,,, worrrrrksssss,,,,,, bbbbbut nnnnow keyyyyyssss ssssstucccck.
And hydrocarbon reservoirs magically repressurize.
Wait. No they don’t.
Now, tell me more about that toothpaste. . .
Do you think that the toothpaste tube magically repressurized — or was it acted upon by an outside forccccccccccce?
I’m not doing this.
I have to brush my teeth.
What specifically do people want to accomplish tomorrow night? What preparation are people out there doing for the forum?
*What ever happened to those simple pumpers that blighted the landscape back in the old days? Kids could ride those puppies after school. So a few feel off and were seriously injured……at least they didn’t have to go home and drink firewater from the tap.
Found this report on Facebook from Fullerton liberal Sharon Kennedy:
A BRIEF REPORT ON THE DON’T WORRY – BE HAPPY FRACKING SYMPOSIUM
A well attended forum at CSUF Sept. 23rd, on the effects of oil practices including fracking, acidizing, and waste water disposal, left those audience members who hadn’t done much research on the topic, with the feeling that there are no consequences.
The message from panel members, described by the moderator, as “a distinguished panel of scientists” seemed designed to calm worries rather than deliver facts. “Yes, fracking is happening here but don’t worry it’s not a problem.”
The exception was panel member Susan Nakamura of the South Coast Air Quality Management District, the only agency actually doing the work to track oil company practices. The agency developed Rule 1148.2, which requires notification of fracking, acidizing, and gravel packing including disclosure of the chemicals used in an online site available to the public. But there are problems. She said her agency has so far been unsuccessful in getting a sample of flow back fluid from fracking operations for testing. The agency relies on the community to report a fracking event happening that is not listed on the site and is working with oil companies who are not in compliance.
Although a LINN oil representative was an invited panel member, a noticeable missing voice was a member of any group working to ban oil recovery practices until research on health and environmental effects is complete or a member of OCWD which manages and protects our drinking water aquifer.
An environmental consultant on the panel, who listed oil company and industry attorney’s as clients, said that most of the contamination problems he has seen are from faulty well construction, not actual fracking. “I am more concerned about dry cleaners and gas station underground tanks than fracking.”
600,000 barrels of oil a day are extracted from California according to one expert. Another said that a lot of waste water is produced in fracking but asked the audience to put that in perspective. “The average frack job uses 150,000 gallons of water per well compared to a golf course which uses 300,000 gallons a day.”
Other comments included: “In California fracking is usually done well below the level of ground water, not always, but usually. Aquifers do get contaminated, but accidents happen.” “From Nov. 2013 through Aug. 2014, there have been 874 fracking events; 90% in LA County, 10% in Orange County. And acidizing in Fullerton, Brea, and Long Beach.” “Fracking fluid is 98% water and only 2% a variety of chemicals. Yes they are toxic. I am not suggesting they are safe, but many are those used commonly around the home.” “The first wells were drilled in the 1890s but seismic cataloging did not begin until 1932, so we have no data on earthquakes in California before oil extraction began.” “Methane is non-toxic, not an issue. Silica is more a hazard to workers.”
“The first wells were drilled in the 1890s but seismic cataloging did not begin until 1932, so we have no data on earthquakes in California before oil extraction began.” “Methane is non-toxic, not an issue. Silica is more a hazard to workers.”
Diatomaceous Earth? Silica….do not breathe it….ever….even at the Food Quality level.
Those that take it a health aid may experience rectal bleeding…..it has no nutritional value and used strictly to supposed cleanse the colon and kill certain fungus.
“The first wells were drilled in the 1890s but seismic cataloging did not begin until 1932, so we have no data on earthquakes in California before oil extraction began.” “Methane is non-toxic, not an issue. Silica is more a hazard to workers.”
Diatomaceous Earth? Silica….do not breathe it….ever….even at the Food Quality level.
Those that take it as a health aid may experience rectal bleeding…..it has no nutritional value and used strictly to supposed cleanse the colon and kill certain fungus.