Because being poor and having your parent or spouse being behind bars isn’t already traumatic enough….
Here’s an accompanying message from the ACLU (which has the footnotes and action item):
Today, 2.7 million children have a parent behind bars. For these kids, losing a parent to incarceration can be as traumatic as losing a parent to death or divorce.(1) Prisoners are often housed hundreds of miles from their families, making phone the only way to connect on a routine basis.
But for-profit prison phone companies like Global Tel*Link have gotten away with charging sky-high rates to prisoners and their families, making it too expensive for families to stay connected. Prisoners are charged up to $17 for a 15-minute phone call—a call that might cost $2 outside of prison.
Phone companies shouldn’t be able to profit off prisoners trying to be good parents and good family members. Steep prices mean many prisoners won’t be able to call home as often, and that’s bad for public safety—when prisoners keep in touch with their families, they are less likely to reoffend and wind up back behind bars.(2)
The Federal Communications Commission took an important first step in August by capping the price of prisoner phone calls made from one state to another at 25 cents per minute. But most prisoners are serving time in their home state. Tell the FCC to finish the job and end this predatory practice for all prison phone calls.
“The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons” –Dostoyevsky. And, perhaps, by the price list for the relatives of prisoners to stay in touch with them.
Image taken from the video at the above link.
This is your Weekend Open Thread. Talk about this or whatever else you’d like, within reasonable bounds of decency and decorum (because unlike a City Council we are not subject to the First Amendment.)
The Dearthwatch may or may not follow today or tomorrow. Check in constantly to see. WAIT! THERE IT IS!
Checking in one half-year after the Wall went up!
I’ve been forming the hypothesis that the TV News sites are going to be the ones to fill in the gap as the “go to” places for local news because (1) they have videos, (2) they have deep pockets, and (3) having a good online news blog pulls people into, rather than detracts from, their main product. So the most important number in this chart may be NBC’s local site cutting its ranking in half. Radio, by contrast, hasn’t moved much.
Up to the top: The Register continued coming back, but so far it’s only half-way returned from its previous hemorrhage of status. We can easily explain the drop; what explains the gain? Are they offering more workarounds? Cheaper prices? This is just a guess, but I’m wondering if it has something to do with their move into Long Beach — or otherwise simply pumping up the rankings by adding more money to the marketing budget.
OC Weekly also improved in the past month, and is clearly a big recipient of readers who have left the Register in their search for local news. Voiceof OC has also resumed its climb — and also still stands as one of the main beneficiaries of the Orange Lady’s lost readership. The Huntington Beach Independent is still probably the biggest winner in the past six months of all — leading me to wonder if maybe their website was just broken or something back in March and April and they really should have been ranked not that far behind the Daily Pilot in the first place. (No one has suggested as much to me; assuming that it’s a real rise, it’s a real accomplishment.)
The Orange Juice Blog continues sailing along as an island of relative consistency. With all of the turmoil of day to day life here, it’s odd to think that our rank has rarely gotten below 700,000 or above 800,000. We can live with that — especially since we do it without “click three links to get to see the full story” tricks, etc. The other blogs are just all over the place — making me wonder if there’s a wrench in Alexa’s works. New Santa Ana has done great while OC Politics has plummeted — does that makes sense to anyone who reads both? (What makes sense to me is that make some of the latter’s readers are someone getting lumped in with the former’s, but I don’t feel like asking.) The Lib OC has suffered with Prevatt on the sidelines, and OC Political — yikes! I still like much of their stuff (though getting into the campaign season looks a little dismal), so I can’t see why we’d see this sort of fall.
So that’s it — see you next month, or next season, or next six months — or maybe even next week! You never know when the Dearthwatch is going to pop up and say: “San Bernadino Sun, is something going wrong this month?”
Warning to all so called “anonymous” commenters.
Your email address is visible to all of the people who have been given an account to post articles on this site.
If you make one of them mad with your comments, they can and will Google your address and violate the confidentiality of your supposed “anonymous” posting.
This has happened to me twice, the latest by the often ‘misunderstood’ Ryan Cantor.
I ruffled his feathers, and he resorted to outing one of my businesses, and making an elitist dig at me like I was beneath him.
Vern can’t control the slime balls like him, so I’m gone.
As a tip: lots of people here use anonymous addresses. Some are profane, some are amusing. I still don’t know who many longtime anonymous users here are.
I’m sorry that your privacy was violated, Rep. Solorio.
Solorio never had the title “Rep.”
I forgot the abbreviation for “Trustee.”
What say you, Vern. Can you confirm that this happened to Demagogue?
The first time was by Duane Roberts, who used my name.
During a heated exchange between Ryan and Demagogue, Ryan made reference to one of Demagogue’s lines of work, which was creepy as it showed that Ryan had looked him/her up somehow and done some research on him/her. It was reminiscent of a couple years ago when Duane addressed Demagoge by his/her first name. Both these guys were able to see Demagogue’s e-mail address and I guess that was enough for them to research him/her…
Ryan shouldn’t a done that and I hope he apologizes and stops. We value both people’s contributions here. Not to excuse the quasi-outing, but Demagogue WAS being obnoxious, trying to characterize Ryan as comparing Obamacare to slavery, which he was far from doing.
So, no more even QUASI-outing, or the offenders will lose their exalted status as “editors” or “authors” who are able to see commenters’ e-mail addresses. That’s what happened to Duane. Now he’s just a “contributor.”
That is a very poor characterization of what happened.
Tell you what Vern, let’s do a post on the rights and privileges of editors and commentators. If there’s an honest interest in transparency and exchange of ideas, I’ll participate in the discussion.
If you’d like to have a conversation of exactly what happened, including consequences, it’s best to do it on a dedicated thread or privately.
Actually Ryan, this is a topic that needs to be discussed out in the open.
As long as this blog allows anonymous comments the anonymity of the authors needs to be inviolable.
I had the same issue with Geoff Willis, he didn’t “out” me, but he let me know that he knew who I was and quite frankly, it was creepy.
Those of us who prefer to be anonymous do so for a variety of reasons. I do it to protect my spouse from professional blowback from my comments. I also believe that our comments should stand on their own merit.
When you get right down to it why should it matter whether you are male or female, rich or poor, educated or not or what one does for a living. I have noticed though, that those things matter most to the conservatives. They very much want to pigeon-hole or discount people’s opinions based on personal information, yet they’re always the first ones to whine about “personal” or “ad hominem” attacks.
And Vern, I disagree about Demagogue being “obnoxious”, Ryan DID idiotically reference slavery, uh-oh, just went to reread them and now it looks like the little chicken shit has gone and deleted his comments. That is really fucked up and shows just WHO was in the wrong!
No – Demagogue deleted all Ryan’s comments and stories, I THINK they’re restored now, by Greg and me.
And if you look at the top of that thread, it was Greg who first brought slavery into the discussion as a … what’s it called … reductio ad absurdum or whatever … mainly because he thought Ryan was saying something Ryan wasn’t saying.
Everything is restored now, right? A lotta shit got trashed last night in someone’s fit of pique.
None of Ryan’s comments have been restored yet.
I apologize to Ryan if he didn’t delete his comments.
Why and how could a non-editor of the OJ have the power to delete comments? That is/would be really fucked up, too.
I was so impressed by Demagogue’s work as “The Orange Juice Oracle” (and his great analysis of Paul Ryan – Rage For the Machine – was a national hit) that i guess I made him “editor”. I’m thinking now… brilliant guy … really thin skin … should not have had those car keys.
It seems to me (although I didn’t get a screen capture) that Ryan’s “quasi-outing” was removed last night. I doubt that Demagogue did that, though maybe he did.
I am, however, hoping for a conclusive answer to my question as to whether or not Ryan will continue to have access to commentators’ email addresses. Anonymous commentators deserve to know the answer to that question.
Demagogue trashed all of Ryan’s comments and many of his posts, although me and Greg were able to restore the posts.
Your answer is yes, at this point Ryan CAN see your e-mail address (which is by the way an old one that doesn’t work.) All of you should also know that you can make up any fictitious e-mail address,
OR NOT EVEN LIST ONE.Is this a problem? I’m not liking this whole “Let’s vote the Republican off the island” vibe. On the other hand I’d like to hear an explanation from Ryan of why he made mention of Demagogue’s line of work, and why he even bothered to figure that out. So shit like this doesn’t happen again.
I removed the reference in Ryan’s comment that Demogogue found unacceptable and informed Ryan of that action at the time.
Vern, we all know it’s possible for Ryan to author posts WITHOUT having those car keys you speak of. All he has to do is submit his posts to you as a text file, and you can post them. That does not “vote him off the island”…it merely provides a consequence for what he did.
The e-mail field is required.
Oh. Ok. Well still I see all kinds of obviously fictitious e-mail addresses. So there’s that. For now, stop having cows y’all, I’m trying to deal with Cunningham.
Just fake the e-mail field. We get lots of cute personal messages from people in their faked e-mail addresses, largely from Matt-Like Creatures.
yeah, like fuckyou@dickwadbloggers.com
Wait — that one wasn’t real?
So Vern, are you saying Ryan will still have access to commenters’ email addresses?
I’ll put it up on it’s own thread, Anon. It’ll be a couple days, but if Vern wants to get it started sooner, I don’t need to write it.
Whether I agree or disagree with the views that you and Ryan hold, it was overall an interesting exchange. If your privacy was violated, a clarification and/or an apology is needed.
I agree with Ricardo about the discussion, not as much about the apology part, but maybe.
I don’t think anyone should have any expectation of any real privacy anymore, here or anywhere else. We live in an age where that is no longer a realistic expectation.
Some of you folks would be a butt load more polite if you had to think about IRL, where your words might get you a real poke in the nose. I don’t think that’s such a bad thing the way some of you act.
It feels like we are having our own Cyber-war…Disagreements and dissent are necessary to have a robust democracy, especially when we are discussing policies that affect ours and other peoples’ lives.
Political blogs can get heated and sometimes unwritten protocols are broken…Having a thick skin is a must, and not all of us have it, like Greg when was depicted in the Weekly and FFFF.
The limited privacy we have needs to be respected, and here means not to out the anonymous commenters.
I lost my privacy the day I got butt cancer…now 1/2 the new residents in the colorectal dept. at UCI look at my ass (and take notes!) every 6 months. I was reminded of that when Carl wrote… “butt load” more polite…
I do agree with Carl, maybe commenters would think before they post, if they used their real names. Sometimes we are all guilty of saying things out of anger we can’t take back… I believe if we are going to comment, we should own it.
$17 is price gouging and they know it. This whole idea of private prisons is a huge rip off. I recently watched a documentary about prisons being the new asylums for the mentally ill, and of course prison staff is not trained to handle them correctly. The mentally ill are sick and not criminals. http://www.npr.org/2011/09/04/140167676/nations-jails-struggle-with-mentally-ill-prisoners
That being said, the laws changed that were supposed to help them, like giving them the right to not take their medications, or be involuntarily committed to a mental hospital, in fact maybe made things worse. While I agree that adults have a right to do what they want with their bodies, like not take drugs, what about the rights of those in charge of their care? What if the mentally ill person has an episode (or what the day care program I briefly worked at, called a “behavior”?)… for example an employee driving this person home, was choked by a mentally ill “consumer”,with a seat belt and almost wrecked the car?
When I was working there, I literally gave up my rights when it came to my safety. After 3 months of being punched, spit on or screamed at for hours, I quit. The problem, in my opinion with this population is that they were overly medicated and it made them even more unpredictable. Many were on 4 different types of drugs, and the people who care for them are paid minimum wage with no experience or proper training how to handle any given situation.
I have heard stories about parents of adult mentally ill children who wanted to get help for their kids, but couldn’t because of the HIPPA laws. They couldn’t even find out what was going on. An example is the pastor at Saddleback Church whose son killed himself.
There are so many stories of mentally ill people doing violent acts these days, like the woman from Connecticut yesterday. More information is needed, but I will guess she did not get the proper care either. I cannot imagine any mother putting her child in that type of danger if she were thinking clearly.
There has to be way to respect a mentally ill persons rights and at the same time protect the public from senseless violence.
And don’t get me started about how many are in prison for minor drug offenses. No wonder the Feds refuse to legalize cannabis, its a money maker for them and the prison system.
I suggest we send members of Congress, maybe they will come back with a new perspective.
SIx things the World Could Learn from Burning Man from Ziva Meditation on Vimeo.
I liked that – sounds like fun.
Burning Man, DooDah parade, and grunion run, all trigger forehead slaps when I see them on the news AFTERWARD, and this YouTube video (below) was my closest experience for 2013, possibly a complement to yours for those unfamiliar, as your video is now for me! ‘No money’ concept was news for me, don’t know what I would have to exchange, but for what I’ve seen for ticket/prep costs, my experience will remain on video (sigh). Thanks for this take on the experience!
Vern, in case that (again!)doesn’t work, the link is
https:/www.youtube.com/v/m2ThTb6iffA?
Sorry http, NOT httpS, incorrect restore of cropped part. Watched it again after posting, thought there was a longer version with NIGHT footage, but perhaps I confused with YouTube’s many ‘suggestions’ that popped up -I watched THEM all, too!
I have to say that in this story —
http://ocpoliticsblog.com/oc-human-relations-commissions-condemns-attack-on-councilman-brandman/
— I’m glad that Art managed to avoid using the pic of Jordan with hands on hips wearing an apron (this time.)
The Dearthwatch — half-year edition — IS UP!
U.S. Debt Clock… how much do you owe????
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
WINNING!!!!!
Great News for the wknd. Please keep the info coming!
anonster said: “As long as this blog allows anonymous comments the anonymity of the authors needs to be inviolable.”
Absolutely correct!! – either that or a OJB header disclaimer to the effect that anonymous commenters take the risk of being outed.
Good god skallywag, we finally agree on something!
There must be an opening in the space-time continuum or something equally earth shattering going on.
It must be Obamacare and Boehner…they started the OJB Cyber/civil-war…
Just stumbled on this-
ews.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/switzerland-to-vote-on–2-800-monthly-‘basic-income’-minimum-for-adults-181937885.html
Look at the picture! See what you can do in a country with non-corrupt ADULTS in charge, that HASN’T borrowed itself into insolvency? No wonder it’s so hard to relocate there! It will be even HARDER now!
My sister in law has lived in Switzerland over 25 years (she married a Swiss man). The Swiss don’t like to discuss money – its impolite, but they are paid higher wages than us…. Universities are much cheaper and students can go to other nearby countries to study w/o paying extra. Students are given cheap housing by the government to ensure they focus on studying not on paying rent, They believe educating their citizens is important, unlike us … They are family orientated…New moms are provided with au pairs to help out… Moms are not allowed to work outside the home more than 30% of the time…They are more traditional and conservative than us when it comes to raising kids… television is not available 24/7 and the programming is not the same crap they show here… The Swiss healthcare costs are much cheaper than ours… Yes, conscription is law and adult males have to keep guns in the home, BUT BULLETS are kept in a sealed can. The purpose for this is, in case they are attacked, on their own turf. IOW they literally mean a well armed militia…It is not meant for home self defense, unlike us… If they want to buy a home, they must prove they have well paid jobs, a good pension and life insurance policies in case of death… the government frowns on default… their quality of life is better than ours, meaning they have many more days off and at least 4 weeks vacation every year… they ride bikes, take public transportation, because cars are very expensive, not to mention gasoline… however they do have their own problems but not to the extent as us though.
Thanks! Always trying to plan for navigating an uncertain future, and you have helped open a new window of inquiry for me!
this is from her perspective…I am sure there are other views. They do pay higher taxes to offset the cost of transportation and public services. Not sure how their rules would fly over here…probably would not be well received. Its all about trade-offs and it seems to work for them, I will email her to find out her opinion about the pending law…also the Swiss are more involved with government and turn out to vote on a regular basis.
Vern,
So yesterday at 1:15, in a private email I wrote you the following:
“Cantor just outed me from personal info available to him because he can see my info as he has an account.
You told me that wouldn’t happen because of the caliber of the people that you give that access to. This is the second time.
I’m done.
Demagogue”
Your response to me, Cantor, and Diamond was:
“Jesus you children”
You blew me off like it was no big deal.
Then Diamond responds to my open letter at 6:17 with the advice that everybody should just make up an email address, and then he gave his little quip about Solorio.
Another dismissal.
Your and Greg’s little bromance with Cantor has IMO clouded both of your judgement.
You have both written exhaustively about how important confidentiality is, and railed against the NSA and other government entities violating that right to privacy. (Not to mention that both Diamond and Cantor are lawyers, and I’m sure they tell their clients about the sacredness of the attorney client privilege, and how important it is to protect that confidentiality.) Then it happens on your blog and you flip me the middle finger.
Yes, I deleted the creep’s comments. My brothers taught me that when somebody hits you, you hit them back twice as hard, and they won’t do it again. Don’t tread on me.
I didn’t start this fight; I didn’t bring slavery into a discussion about healthcare, and I didn’t use the car keys to try and make a totally irrelevant reference to another commenter’s private (so I thought) information. My arguments are better than that.
What my businesses are is MY BUSINESS. You should insure that for all of your anonymous commenters, and authors.
“I’M DONE”
What fuckin grandiosity.
Ok, I’m still awaiting explanation/apology from RC about why he felt the need to mention/discover your work nature, which I will continue to insist on, but till then, it’s nice if the standard bearers of our liberal discourse weren’t a buncha whiny little girls.
Deep breath. None of your customers will grok this shit.
A frantic phone call from my friend Dora woke up from my long siesta. I thought she was going to tell me that the “epic battle” of John Boehner was over, but not, it was about Vern. She asked whether he is gay. I said I don’t think so, I know he wears ear rings, and by now Fitzgerald would’ve already told him off .
I asked her why she was asking me that, and she said, look what he said about Greenwald’s partner: ” his cute Brazilian husband Miranda”…why would a guy called another guy “cute” unless…I told her “maybe it is a gavacho thing, short of asking Gustavo, I will ask Vern myself, although it may not be the best time, as they are having a big discussion about privacy, but I will relay your concern anyway…”
Dora says hi, Ricardo.
Viva macho Camacho!
met·ro·sex·ual – metrōˈsekSHo͞oəl/noun
1. a young, urban, heterosexual male with liberal political views, an interest in fashion, and a refined sense of taste.
Is there any OJB friend attending the GOP State convention taking place in Anaheim?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-california-tea-party-government-shutdown-20131006,0,4367096.story
I wish I knew about this before it happened. I would have gone to check it out.
I thought that Vern would be covering how ” California tea party supporters revel in role in government shutdown”, instead he chose to spend time with Dora…It shows you what his priorities are…I say let Dema and Ryan become the OJB editors…
I don’t know Dora, but she is probably more fun and pretty to look at than a bunch of boring…
Have you been to one of these shindigs? I’ve never seen so much ass kissing…its pretty funny. And it gives some insight to how people behave when they are with their own (tribe)
I haven’t but it seems that they can be serious events. See the link below.
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/10/california_republican_party_an.php
Ricardo, they remind me of car salesman…they will say whatever the potential customer wants to here, just to close the deal.
I think one of the problems is that there are career politicians. We need fresh ideas and we won’t get that if these people stay in office for life. Politicians should be very limited in their term and not allowed to jump from one position to another. They need to go back to the private sector (and not a lobbyist) and live under the laws they created.
But they won’t allow that to happen, why would they give up a “sweet deal?”
and this is why our country is in the shape its in… (IMO)
I just read this post from “Life as Human” re: Obama Care (ACA) and her concerns … any thoughts about what this author has to say? http://lifeasahuman.com/2013/current-affairs/politics/putting-the-brakes-on-obamacare-obstructionism-or-prudence/
Found another article in Fresno Bee….http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/10/03/3534005/not-all-doctors-and-hospitals.html
“Seems to me the rich will get better healthcare than the poorer ones.” could apply to any health care system, not just to ACA. Is Ms Sherwwod considering the opinion of the uninsured left out in those states refusing to implement the expansion of Medicaid, the people with pre-existing conditions, and the under 26 being covered in the parents’ insurance? Could it be that a significant opposition to ACA , which is not a perfect system, has been pre-fabricated on reasons other than the legitimate concerns of the constituents?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
IF their insurance is still available, they may enjoy some of those benefits.
As of Friday my wife was notified that her (& child, 21) insurance through her employer, Manpower Inc., was being canceled by Manpower, that it “may” be replaced by some other plan, but that’s an open question. This is a company that has over 30,000 people working for it. Thank you ACA!
“You can keep your insurance and your doctor”…right…”so long as grass grows and wind blows and water runs down hill…” and we all know how many of those treaties worked out don’t we….
One of my neighbors and a patient going through cancer treatment got same letter. They can buy a new policy but do not know conditions or cost yet, like can they keep doctors. I will go to the hospital today and ask around if anymore people got la similar letter.
There was a round of layoffs 2 months ago that was in direct response to ACA. The hospital is trimming costs because insurance co. told them they will stop paying for certain treatments and tests (I don’t know what that means) BUT the CEOs will keep their same paychecks and pensions.
this was in San Jose Mercury News… http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24248486/obamacares-winners-and-losers-bay-area
If you ask me…there shouldn’t be winners and losers…what if you were on the loser list??? How would you feel about that???
We need single payer and everyone is treated equally…then no one will feel screwed.
And the beat goes on…
Hi Inge, did you make it to the hospital to ask about the letter?
This is not a good, you would think that there would be safeguards in the ACA law to prevent these negative outcomes.
Idle Curiousity Dept.-
For no ones’ particular interest, Greg’s crack responding to Cunningham, about ballet vs puppetry, triggered a forehead slap (painful with the scabs from the last 300) and clicks to revisit ‘xtranormal’ on YouTube, a DIY animation program with many funny user samples, thinking that future CC comments might be able to be put in a more Matt-palatable format, eg cartoons. Sadly, xtrnormal has closed down, although the many clips remain on YouTube for enjoyment ,while I investigate XtN alternatives online. Here’s one I newly discovered, (the link, anyway)and thought you might enjoy-
So much for any of my remaining spare time….
that was too funny!
I wasn’t particularly offended by the cartoon – but it just wasn’t funny at all – waste of 2 minutes.
Oh, well, I can’t be right ALL the time, or from all the ‘Hurricane Fitzgerald’ dialog flying around, would it be a mistake to admit that? lol.
OK, how about THIS one? It’s only 0:32.
Better Big Box – but I have a blockbuster funny commercial for your consideration on the upcoming weekend open thread.
“6103 Skidoo”.
Sarah Hall Ingram, the IRS’s top ObamaCare official, “attempted to counsel the White House on a lawsuit from religious organizations opposing Obamacare’s contraception mandate,” the Caller reports. Emails between Ingram and White House officials Ellen Montz Jeanne Lambrew, “had numerous redactions with the signifier ’6103′ “
Okay, you look at the Issa post and you do indeed see emails redacted with “6103″. Taranto quotes the definition of 6103 redaction:
Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code forbids a federal employee from “disclos[ing] any return or return information obtained by him in any manner in connection with his service as such an officer or an employee.”
An extremely disturbing contradiction has just passed before your eyes, which essentially amounts to an admission that the IRS has perpetrated a major felony. Pause for a moment and see if you can find it.
Give up? Here’s the rub: The IRS has redacted the emails sent to Issa on the grounds that the redaction was required by law to prevent the disclosure of confidential information that must be kept internal to the IRS. However, the letters that have been redacted are the texts that were sent to the White House by the IRS.
In other words, in asserting that the IRS was required by law to redact these emails supplied to Issa, the IRS is tacitly confessing that that same law was broken when the IRS sent the original texts to Obama’s senior people.
Welcome to Obama’s America.
WSJ –
THE TRUTH ( for hysterical halftruth see above);
From the Washington Wire;
…”The emails by Ms. Ingram and other IRS officials responded to White House questions about rules relating to filing requirements for religious schools. The questions stemmed from lawsuits by several of the religious schools, which were objecting to a mandate to cover contraception in the Obama administration’s health-care overhaul. The email discussions don’t appear to involve non-public information from the schools’ returns.
Ms. Ingram suggested during Wednesday’s hearing that such discussions can be appropriate under exceptions to the IRS confidentiality rules. But the IRS still might feel obligated to redact the information when turning over documents or emails to Congress or the public, she said.”…
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/10/09/irs-official-not-consorting-with-devil-on-obamacare/
skallywag you and your brethren are so anxious to find an Obama SCANDAL that you continue to fall for exaggerated half truths, racially motivated smears and outright lies. It begs the question; WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN????????????????
Don’t you EVER fact check your sources?
Your gullibility only damages YOUR credibility (not that you ever had any) and when there is a REAL scandal no one will listen.
Fuck your “TRUTH.”
This is not a direct reply – it is an evasion of the truth:
“Ms. Ingram suggested during Wednesday’s hearing that such discussions can be appropriate under exceptions to the IRS confidentiality rules. But the IRS still might feel obligated to redact the information when turning over documents or emails to Congress or the public, she said.”
This is one of the most disgusting displays of bureaucratic and legislative arrogance and condescension I have seen in my life. It betrays a lack of respect for the American people.
“Rep. Gerry Connolly (D., Va.) asked at one point if Ms. Ingram had been “consorting with the Devil.” “Not to my knowledge,” she responded. As for reports that she can fly, she said, they are “greatly exaggerated.”” Connolly and Ingram should be ashamed of themselves.
No, fuck YOUR “truth”. LOL!
Is that the best comeback you have?
Also, if you’re going to waste all our time with your hysterical rants can you please TRY and distinguish between YOUR words/thoughts and those you are quoting ( if you don’t know how, feel free to use my comments as your model).