The only thing that separates the United States from being Europe West is simply adding a VAT and Unconstituional Gun Control. The United States can easily turn into the One World Order by simply passing a new 22% VAT (Value Added Tax) and then passing a national gun confiscation law against any firearm which “could fire” over one bullet at a time without cranking the bolt or reloading.
Adolph Hitler passed the 1935 Gun Registration Act in the German Fatherland. Adolph made it is to find out who owned what and where. It became an easy thing to simply send out his Brown Shirts to pick up every Jewish firearm in 1936. It became even easier to go out pick up every immigrant firearm in 1937. Adolph believed that every German needed to follow the Kantian pretext of Work, Faith and the Fatherland. Those that failed to follow these rules soon became the target of gun confiscation in 1938, whether they were natural born Germans or not.
The VAT is a concept built upon the idea that every purchase should be taxed. Every Pepsi or Coke, every potato chip or burger from a fast food restaurant needs to be taxed by the Federal Government. This is called simply a “Consumption Tax”. You decide to buy it……you are taxed. Buy a car…..pay a VAT (Value Added Tax). Buy a candy bar – pay a VAT. Buy a cup of coffee….pay a VAT. Get the idea?
The Value Added Tax is a diabolical idea…..based on the fact that no one wants to pay Income Tax. The proponents suggest: Just use a consumption tax and you won’t have to file an IRS income tax statement. We can make the IRS ….go away if only we use a VAT in its place. There was a great movie called: “Sex, Lies and Video Tapes”. Misrepresenting issues is the name of the game. Think of the great tax free status of every Corporation, Company, City, County and State if only they can get folks to buy off on a Value Added Tax (VAT).
It always starts like this: The proponents suggest that in the transitional years………regular IRS filings will be required. However, during these years Americans will also be gettin the VAT. Each of the first three years, each purchase will be reimbursed to the tax filer. After three years, the concept is that the IRS filings of Income Tax will cease and from then on……the VAT will take the place of IRS filings. The VAR will start with a 10% figure, followed by 11%, 12% and so on…until it reaches 22%, when folks will then have to vote to raise that number. Get it? The percentage reimbursed will decline and the amount charge raised. Simple math! Can you imagine relying on the Congress of the United States to rein in spending?
In any event, nothing will separate the European Communtiy from the United States should the VAT be implemented and following that, the confiscation of all firearms for those of certain persuasions. The difference of course is that Americans do not get 6 to 8 weeks of vacation each year. Americans do not have a National Healthcare system. Americans do not have a Retirement Income which assures that all the older folks ……do not have to live in poverty.
Whatever happens in this country, we need to fight against a VAT, against gun control and finally against those that want us to pay for a Healthcare System without Personal Liability limits. Let us not become another part of the European Community without any of the benefits. Let us not adopt “A VAT and Gun Control…..” We do not want to be Europeans….we want to be Americans!
The references to Hitler in this debate tend to have an inflammatory appeal, rather than sober one. The reference has been questioned by the Anti-Defamation League and by a professor of law:
The Anti-Defamation League is calling on critics of gun control legislation to stop using references to Hitler and the Nazis, calling such statements “historically inaccurate and offensive,” especially to Holocaust survivors and their families.
“We know that the national debate over gun control is one of the most divisive issues in the land, and while Americans are entitled to have strong opinions, there is also language that is inappropriate and offensive in any such discussion,”
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor, said in a statement. “The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/adl-stop-using-hitler-in-gun-debate-155142.html
“In his 1994 book, NRA head Wayne LaPierre dwelled on the Hitler meme at length, writing: “In Germany, Jewish extermination began with the Nazi Weapon Law of 1938, signed by Adolf Hitler.”
And it makes a certain amount of intuitive sense: If you’re going to impose a brutal authoritarian regime on your populace, better to disarm them first so they can’t fight back.
Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.”
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/
Hitler was a historical figure with a really bad reputation, just like many others. He had alot of progressive ideas that should be remembered and I am not talking about the Jewish thing. I am talking about Nationalizing the German Bank and breaking free from Foreign and Domestic Debt.
Truman belonged to the KKK and dropped the Atom Bomb on two Japanese cities didn’t he.
*Just a couple of issues: References to Hitler are purely for gaining a historical perspective. If we had used Napoleon Bonaparte would that have been any more offensive…or less?
The point is that each society is based upon certain principles. Self Determination requires Freedom of Choice….in addition of course it requires a peaceful and fruitful society. The ersatz Social Contract by Jean Paul Sarte suggested that members of society gather together for mutal protection and mutual respect. That when you drive your car or horse drawn carriage upon the roads and highways…..that we understand that we follow the laws because we do not wish to endanger our fellow citizens by aiming at them and attempting to crash into them.
The American Republic truly remains a grand experiment. People like Governor Scott Walker, Mark Sanford and others elected to protect to serve…have shown that protecting and serving their own interest first is what they believe our society is all about.
Hitler, Napoleon, Ceasar or members of the Bell City Administration have all shown their ability to mess with the system and abuse it greatly. We simply attempted to point out that the United States is separated by some minute but very important differences. One being our right to keep and bear arms and the other that we refuse to go for the Consumption Tax, even though the Reason Foundation and other think tanks have been designed by the rich, for the rich and are not “looking out for us”!
Finally, in 1968, when we served in Germany as members of the United States Army……90% of the laws that Hitler put into place….were and still are in place today. Including little things like NOT being able to flush your toilet in an apartment after 10PM – just for starters!
Fancy sales tax in the same sentence as an enumerated right?
I dunno.
I knew about Bonaparte in history classes. I met a few Nazis when they fled to South America. They were very hostile against Jews, and associated to repressive policies. One of their enclaves in Chile became a center of torture against the opponents of Pinochet’s regime.
I understand your RKBA rights and your concerns about potential restrictions. I am concerned about my daughters being able to watch a movie in a theater without being machine gunned
Gun control laws don’t cause genocide.
It is caused by a genocidal leader. If Obama wants to kill you, you’re dead. Quit pretending that you can protect yourself from the US military. They can vaporize you on a whim.
Gun control laws are trying to minimize the impact of the mentally unstable on the general public. The general public has that right.
“Quit pretending that you can protect yourself from the US military. They can vaporize you on a whim”…………. Hmmmmmm
Sure like they do the barefoot Taliban with their primitive weapons.
Fear the American Patriot with his assault rifle – you demagog!
The so called American Army, what’s left of it after they cross to the Oath Keepers, consisting only of onans and demagogs will soil their panties on the run hearing the rebel yell….
So now you are making fun of the US military ?
How un-American. I thought that you were a patriotic immigrant. Now you are sounding like a subversive.
If I had to place a bet, it would be with our military over a bunch of guys with three cornered hats, assault weapons and body armor.
You can only hear the drones when they are flying away from you.
“How un-American. I thought that you were a patriotic immigrant. Now you are sounding like a subversive.”……….. Hmmmmmm
As a founding member of the Oat Keepers, I as a military man, recognize only the USA Military which obey by the OATH KEEPERS ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY:
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people
3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control.”
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
Therefore, any one you have in your pinhead mind to vaporize me is not the USA Army but the Terrorists Army – you demagog!
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/
“As a founding member of the Oat Keepers”…. now I feel much better about our grain supply knowing that you are protecting our cereal.
Stanley you seem quite conflicted. You are a big defender of the Second Amendment, but you don’t own a gun (so you say). How are you going to defend the Constitution against a government run amok? Stand on your soap box and shake your arthritic fist at all of the pinheads that you’ve identified? You’ve promised not to obey orders from the US government, and vowed to subvert them if you don’t agree with them. Isn’t that treason? Who gives you the authority to judge the Constitutionality of a government order? Your beer drinking pals?
Patrick J. Buchanan, quoted Alan Maimon in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, as saying “Oath Keepers, depending on where one stands, are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.” Mr. Buchanan explained their existence on the alienation of white America, concluding that “America was once their country. They sense they are losing it. And they are right.”
“If we had used Napoleon Bonaparte would that have been any more offensive…or less?”……….. Hmmmmmm
Obviously less because Bonaparte was not used by Jews as a convenient propaganda tool.
There were much bigger atrocities then Jewish holocaust in recent history and only Jewish one is considered significant so the socialist Hitler is bad guy and socialists Mao and Stalin are not. http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.html
Mr. Bonaparte did not made the list.
*The Armenian and Palestinian dispora….probably so Stanley….plus the biggie that nobody brings up the Japanese Rape of Nanking and all of China….killing millions and millions of Chinese. Stalin…killing 40 million Russians……there are lots of lists we could gather….you are quite right.
As far as Private Ownership of any Firearm is concerned. No, Virginia – it is not to protect us from the Government. As you say eloquently….if they want you out…..you are dust. No, it is for the very stupid criminals and nutcases that think they can attack anyone and get away with it. “We love the smell of cordite in the morning”……if you get the drift.
Who knows…and certainly…we pray each day that – the day will never come….but if it does…… It is much akin to having car insurance. You never
want to need it…..but when you gotta…you gotta have it all the time….in spite of your best intelligent choices.
“Only Jewish [holocaust] is considered significant”? Is not so. You need time back in freezer?
“Is not so”…… Hmmmm
Explain! Which other holocaust is published daily by Jewish media.
Caveat: be careful with that freezer remark.
Since you are acting as a Zionist asshole again, I must take this discussion to some other forum.
[Editor’s note: End of comment erased. Stanley can tell me whether he’d like the rest trashed as well.]
*No one is forgetting the Warsau Ghetto or the Eastern European Jews that got shipped out to Dachau, Bergen Belsen, Auswich and others to make way for Good Germans repatriating their property. Suppose it is the main reason why Israel bulldozes the Settlements that they give back to the Palastinians………..a lot of cruelty in the world for sure!
A VAT only will not work, our federal government will want a VAT and an income tax like the United Kingdom. We would have to cap the maximum amount of tax government can take if a VAT was implemented.
*Right on Matt……right on!
Ron,
Record crowd attended the Crossroads of the West Gun Show at the Orange County Fair & Events Center on Saturday.
I get your points, but next time please stick with Napoleon.
The comparison between the Israeli policies, bulldozing the Palestinian settlements, and the extermination conducted by the Nazis, is extreme and out of place in this gun debate.
*Analogus Wisdom is hard to manifest at times. Grasping straws is rather typical of emotional debates regarding almost anything. Let us be clear about all those that have attempted to mass murder innocents. The penalty should be on each and every occasion – Summary Execution – with Extreme Prejudice.
Offensive? How about that Brevick weirdo in Norway? This guy wanted to be declared insane so he wouldn’t have to go to prison and stay in a nice cushy mental institution for the non-violent. That failed….so he got 20 years! 20 Years for blowing up the State House and murdering almost a 100 kids on an island with his sniper rifle. No high capacity magazines by the way.
Why they didn’t take this guy out when he gave up….is beyond us. The same goes for the Aurora shooter. Caught with the gun in your hand after a mass murder…..should not require a four year public trial. It should require someone in law enforcement that grasps the moment. That is the best rule of law society that can exist – by example. Can you imagine that they will let Brevick out in 20 years? Not much of a penalty for the carnage that dude lumped onto hundreds of families. Ya think?
Lets also remember that no amount of guns from civilians could stop that monster. It took a lengthy war and lots of deaths to get him to kill himself in the end. I guess people think a government foreign or our own will or might do the same someday. Take people to camps…
I prefer to live in a world of right now…not what ifs.
Just found this little bit of irony in the gun control debate….
“A predecessor once characterized the NRA as being “one of the world’s great religions,” and 64-year-old LaPierre is a strange fit to be its pope. LaPierre did not come from gun culture. He wasn’t a hunter, a marksman, a military man or a Second Amendment activist. “He’s not a true believer,” says NRA biographer Osha Gray Davidson. “He’s the first NRA chief you can say that about.”
According to NRA legend, LaPierre is actually a menace with a gun. NRA’s PR team once thought it would be sexy to film LaPierre at a firing range. “It was a nightmare,” an NRA staffer told Davidson. LaPierre was aiming downrange for the camera when an engineer called for a sound check. To answer the man, LaPierre swung around, but he failed to lower his rifle, aiming it directly at the engineer – before someone took the gun away from LaPierre. The incident, terrifying at the time, became a dark joke at NRA headquarters. Staffers behind on their projects were threatened that they’d have to “go hunting with Wayne.”
I wouldn’t go hunting with him or Cheney.
He’s nothing but a hired gun.
*All goes to prove…one thing. If you can’t do…..teach!
The second amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees every American the right to bear arms. Has any law ever been so ambiguous? What are arms? What does it mean to bear them? At least with the first amendment we know exactly where we stand: Freedom of speech. It couldn’t be any clearer. But, the right to bear arms leaves the second amendment open to different interpretations. We need gun permits to carry a concealed weapon. Do we need knife permits? No. Yet both can, and often do, cause death. We can own a gun, or a rifle, or a sub-machine gun, or a machete, and dozens of other tools to kill, even our own bare hands. So, gun control is a debate in our country that makes no sense unless you broaden the ban or acceptance to include all instruments of death.”‘
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