The American public has been waiting to hear what the NRA has to say about the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School … one week to be exact, so this morning NRA’s executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre held a news conference and told the media and millions of people watching– that the way to stop gun violence is to “have armed guards at every school in the nation.”
I couldn’t help myself…I started laughing.
I am not the least bit surprised by their answer and you can bet that our politicians…many of them will follow lock step because the NRA gives them millions if not billions of dollars to make sure guns remain accessible to anyone who wants them. LaPierre was asked about tightening laws and closing loopholes that allow the sale of guns at gun shows without any background checks and his response was to leave the room. LaPierre did find time to attack the media for misrepresenting the facts when it comes to gun violence and that they are part of the corporate businesses that profit from violent video games and films.
LaPierre isn’t the only one who thinks armed guards is the answer to keep our kids safe in schools, but what about malls? Did you know that last Saturday some nutcase decided to shoot a gun in the parking lot of Fashion Island in Newport Beach? He was apprehended after getting off 50 shots, albeit in the air, but what if he pointed it at people? The point is this guy decided to bring his weapon to public place and start shooting. Is the answer to hire armed guards at all malls? Do we want to live in a police state? Because that is really what we are talking about.
I have talked to a lot of different people about this and anyone who knows me — knows I am anti-gun. I never held a gun and will definitely will never own one. At the same time I don’t go around trying to get all guns banned. If someone wants to own guns for whatever reason, I could care less…but owning any weapon that can shoot 30 – 100 rounds before needing to reload is going to far. Some guy told me he needs that fire power to hunt deer…oh really? If he needs to mow down a defenseless animal because he is to stupid to use an ordinary rifle then he needs to get his head examined. I am willing to bet this guy thinks he is in some Sylvester Stallone movie playing the part of Rambo, and the only way he can act out his fantasy is using the excuse of “hunting.” I say if he wants to play soldier he should join the military and shoot at people who shoot back.
Even if we get laws banning assault rifles, gun manufacturers will find ways around it. Gun laws are like everything else we try to regulate…there are always loopholes or they play word games. Gun manufacturers will modify assault rifles a bit and then call it something else and since the new weapon isn’t exactly what was banned, the weapon will be back on the market. We can thank Walmart for making the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle the most popular rifle on the market. Walmarts are in every city in America and since they sell weapons and ammo, there is technically a gunstore in every city in America. In 2005, Walmart was busted by Bill Lockyer, then the California attorney general, for thousands of state gun law violations—including selling to people that the AG’s office had notified Walmart were prohibited from owning firearms, and delivering guns to customers before they passed a background check. Why do all roads seem to lead back to Walmart?
If I wanted to right now, I could go to GunBroker.com and bid on a Bushmaster AR 15. I’m looking at the website right now and I am stunned how many people are bidding to get the weapon of their choice. This site sells new and used firearms, with prices ranging from $300 to $2500. The popular one right now with 26 bids (the highest one so far being $2250) and only 53 minutes left until closing, is the Custom tactical Smith & Wesson M&P15 S&W AR 15. The rules on this site do require all firearms sales to be shipped to a licensed gun dealer so I am assuming they do a background check. If I want to buy 1000 rounds for my PMC 9mm Luger 115 Gr FMJ 9A, I can do that online without any background checks. I can also buy as many boxes of ammunition from as many different sellers as I wish.
Custom Tactical Smith & Wesson M&P15 S&W AR 15
This is the name of the gun store selling the rifle pictured above and sells similar weapons on GunBroker.com. This is part of their mission statement:
We feel the Zombie Apocalypse is all about how crazy this world is becoming. So we are here to help you find what you need to protect your family and home.
I think the owner is either 1. A marketing genius or 2. A nutcase. Either way advertisements like this strengthen my belief that assault weapons should not be available for purchase by ordinary citizens. We do not live in a movie set!
Chris Rock joked about guns in America years ago and said the problem is not guns — its the bullets. I have to agree with that statement even if he only meant is a joke. If bullets cost a ridiculous amount of money then maybe there won’t be as many laying around peoples closets. I say “closets” because I actually met a woman who lives in Laguna Nigel who has a linen closet packed with boxes of ammunition. I was at her house interviewing for a housekeeping job and she showed me around her home. She didn’t even blink any eye when I asked her if those were real bullets in all those boxes next to the towels. I have no idea how many or where she kept the weapons — I decided to not take that job.
Who knows what will happen over the next couple of months concerning the regulation of assault weapons — in the meantime sales of weapons has gone way up. If you own a gun shop, that’s got to be a good thing.
At this point, I’m glad they had their little press conference.
It exposed what an incredible tin ear these people have. It’s looking like the reaction to the press conference is pretty much a PR disaster for the NRA.
Vern, we’re going to need some help to record an Elvis Costello parody:
Elvis Costello has a song similar to this? I like the lyrics but I am not familiar ith Costellos work
I don’t think that this will embed, but here’s a link to the video for a live version of his ‘Blame it on Cain.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeS9vulPynE
And man, that it some seriously difficult scansion. On one line I just gave up.
Reminds me of Joe Baca’s bill to blame it on the video games too.
*”Blame it on the Bossa Nova….with its magic spell….Blame it on the Bossa Nova…that we knew so well.”
Negotiate….first by saying no. Then move forward.
You want the NRA to negotiate with the duly elected Congress of the United States?
Sorry, but the NRA isn’t (or shouldn’t be) the ones calling the shots here.
Asking the NRA for advice on gun control is like asking the Winships for advice on gun contol.
*No ….not actually. If we were in charge….you guys would be the first ones that we confiscated firearms from. You should really just turn in your firearms to your local PD. Tell them it was “matter of conscious resignation”!
I’m not the guy you need to worry about Rambo. I use mine to occasionally harvest a shark from the ocean. It’s in the garage in the tackle box sitting on a shelf.
You should be more worried about people like yourself that are reading “Guns and Ammo,” and can’t get to sleep without one under the pillow.
*What – read? Nah, we just look at the pictures….like everyone else.
‘Ships, I believe that you’re mixing up Guns & Ammo with Playboy — a mistake that is itself very disturbing! *!
“mixing up Guns & Ammo with Playboy.”
And that’s how he ended up with a loaded bunny under his pillow.
Demo says: “I’m not the guy you need to worry about Rambo. I use mine to occasionally harvest a shark from the ocean. It’s in the garage in the tackle box sitting on a shelf.”
Exacty our point…..guys like you….that catch a poor unsuspecting shark…cage him and then go find your tackle box to execute him. We are calling the SPCA immediately. The WWF would be ashamed of you.
Try killing a charging rhino on the Savanna…like TR did. Nah, your cold sweaty hands couldn’t even hold a .458 Hunting Rifle without falling over. We might have to call the Audobon Society too….in case some Vulture takes some liberties over your head while you are aiming.
……and you strike back with impunity.
Rambling Rambo writes..
“cage him and then go find your tackle box to execute him”…in reference to how I hunt for sharks.
That’s not how I do it. I keep the pistol in my pocket, which is why I bought the J-frame (it’s very compact). There is no fumbling around for my S&W… Shooting the shark after hooking it and bringing it to the boat, is in my opinion much more humane than dragging the fish by the tail to drown it, or clubbing it (both are widely practiced alternatives). Shooting the shark is pretty much the same method as the one that gets your filet mignon into the butcher’s cold case. And no, I don’t think that fishing is a sport, I do it to feed myself, my family, and my friends.
Now, we’re getting way off topic here, but since you brought it up….
“Try killing a charging rhino on the Savanna…like TR did.”
No thanks.
Teddy Roosevelt shot a white rhino bull (which is now extinct in the wild) at a distance of 100 feet (and he didn’t kill it, his hunting partner Captain Slater had to finish it off as it charged TR), and he did it in the name of “collecting” for the Smithsonian. With an entourage of 250 porters, guides and gun carriers, along with an arsenal of the finest firearms of the day, one could hardly say that the unarmed animals had a chance.There is no sport in what they did. Their expedition killed 500 big game animals, and not for sustenance, but solely for the taxidermist. That’s very different from me filling my freezer.
Interesting that you bring up the killing of rhinos. The major prize of the rhino poachers is the horn of these animals so that it can be ground up and sold to men that have trouble with their little soldiers coming to attention….
Back to the topic of this article which is “NRA Says Blame it on Video Games, Not Guns.”
Your comparison of the human life lost in Newtown to that of animals is in of itself a tragedy. The NRA (the children’s murderers lobby) wants to blame anything and everything for what happened (video games, Hollywood movies, and the media), but accepts no responsibility itself for the insane number of guns, and allowable clip capacities, in the US.
We have more than 300 million guns right now…..how many more do we need to make it safe for 6 year olds to go first grade ? 400 million? Would 600 million guns make it twice as safe as it is right now? So you want to arm school teachers ? That might be a dilemma for some of the nuns.
Right now all that people are asking for is a limit on the types of guns and clip capacities that civilians can own. That might keep the number of victims in the single digits.
That seems pretty reasonable.
*We love UN-GUN guys talking “Gun Tech”…..my “J Frame”….not the more popular “K” of course!
When TR went to Africa….they still had Pigmies, Wautusi and tsi-tsi flies…..which the bite of just one would kill you. Hunting in those days was called an Adventure…..not Sarah Palin shooting wolves from the comfort of a helicopter.
Meanwhile, you shoot sharks “after they are hooked”……that is truly sadistic. What would you do to a Porpoise or a Killer Whale then? On top of that…..using a .38 caliber anything to kill animals is truly cruel. They suffer endlessly even with a direct head shot. Have you ever seen whalers kill their prey? How about those Russians that take a brick bat to harpseals and their babies? Sick dude…sick.
The reason the .30 caliber MI-Carbine is popular for boaters is: It penetrates and kills effectively most predators upwards of 150 pounds. Anything larger than that….you are probably not supposed to shoot at – anyway. Sounds like you definitely could use an NRA Hunter Safety Course. Trying to shoot a writhing 100 pound shark on the end of a fishline…..is a recipe for disaster….we would rather not
think about. In the words of Marshall Dillion – “Good luck with that!”
Rambo has the reading comprehension of a gnat.
I own a S&W .357 Magnum, and I load it with hollow points when I fire it into the sharks brain. Not a .38.
Try to pay attention.
“Sorry, but the NRA isn’t (or shouldn’t be) the ones calling the shots here.”
pun intended?
Wayne’s solution is to just add more guns to the formula. Way to go NRA!
CJ
Wayne’s World! Party on, Garth!
action plan?
take out:
(1) The Right to bare arms
(2) The Right to vote
(3) The right to private Property
(4) The right to life
Don’t worry, you’ll still have the right to bare arms. But when it’s cold, I’d recommend a warm coat with sleeves.
Our old libertarian blogger Martha Montelongo was also a fervent advocate of the right to bare arms:
And lovely arms they are, indeed!
I think Wayne did more to ban guns than all the laws in the last 20 years.
If I were an NRA member I would ask for a refund. In January every elected official will be writing more resolutions and proposed changes in the law than could ever be imagined.
Wayne’s world has just tilted.
CJ
*Thank goodness you are not a NRA member…..there is still hope! Someday, we will introduce you to the Generals that run this country!
CJ…you should be proud not to be a member of the NRA (the children’s murderers lobby).
Those members are going the way of the white rhino….see my post above.
The Winships fetishize the ownership and use of firearms, and they do nothing to promote a civilized society.
didn’t somebody once say that if we deny americans the right to bear arms only armed bears will have guns..and what happens when angry birds get guns,,,,,
and yes, regardless of what constitutes your weapon of choice, everybody needs a thirty round clip
It is just beyond belief. Two firefighters killed responding to a nut job.
He was said to be a felon with his own rifle. Looks like the laws on the books didn’t help.
Time for new strategy that people can get behind. It won’t stop the sick people who want to hurt others, but we have to try.
Merry Christmas.
CJ
*Yeah…the police are doing a great job of enforcing the current laws….against convicted felons of owning or possessing firearms….. How about the great work of Probation Officers in this country? They did a great job with Elizabeth Smart …eh? And the guy that kept the girl in his backyard and had two kids with…in 12 years he had her.
*Demo seems to be the foot fetish freak. Have some relation to Rex Ryan..do you? Try changing your socks more often. Taking personal responsibility is a necessary ingredient for any firearm owner. You obviously think firearms have a life of their own!
It simply comes down to this: Would you trust your wife with a firearm in her hand? How about your Mom? How about your kids? How about your Dad?
If you can’t trust them……you shouldn’t have a firearm in your house…ever!
“The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed…….” The right to use a firearm requires a tiny bit of common sense, serious training, serious understanding of the law and a serious dedication to protecting and defending your family and other members of society – if possible.!”
If you truly want to to change the culture try this: “Let the bleeding heart quasi-liberals require that “So-called Assault Firearms” require special training and a personality evaluation by a Firearm Training Peer Group – Not Paid Off Psychiatrist that want to put everyone on drugs. You have to have the Personality Evaluation two weeks before you pick up your firearm. You have to have the Firearm Training with your firearm…within the same first two weeks before transfer to the buyer. No Straw man purchases or gifts.
Of course all that nonsense wouldn’t mean a thing to some one that puts together their own firearm from parts…available from private parties, manufacturers or third party order houses.
Get it……..all the laws in the world will not assure intelligent and responsible use of any firearm, electronic products, construction tools, automotive chemicals, child toys or the ability of the driver in front of you.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/is-this-the-real-reason-behind-sandy-hook/
*Here is another excuse…
Not all “bleeding heart liberals” are expecting that stronger gun laws will end shooting massacres soon. A prominent liberal writes :
“…The nation is repulsed by the massacre in Connecticut, and the signs are everywhere: a basketball coach at a post-game press conference; the Republican Joe Scarborough; a pawn shop owner in Florida; a gun buy-back program in New Jersey; a singing contest show on TV, and the conservative gun-owning judge who sentenced Jared Loughner.
…But, friends, I would like to propose that while all of the above (stronger gun laws) will certainly reduce gun deaths (ask Mayor Bloomberg – it is virtually impossible to buy a handgun in New York City and the result is the number of murders per year has gone from 2,200 to under 400), it won’t really bring about an end to these mass slayings and it will not address the core problem we have. Connecticut had one of the strongest gun laws in the country. That did nothing to prevent the murders of 20 small children on December 14th.
…I am sorry to offer this reality check on our much-needed march toward a bunch of well-intended, necessary — but ultimately, mostly cosmetic– changes to our gun laws. The sad facts are these: Other countries that have guns (like Canada, which has 7 million guns — mostly hunting guns — in their 12 million households) have a low murder rate. Kids in Japan watch the same violent movies and kids in Australia play the same violent video games (Grand Theft Auto was created by a British company; the UK had 58 gun murders last year in a nation of 63 million people). They simply don’t kill each other at the rate that we do. Why is that? THAT is the question we should be exploring while we are banning and restricting guns: Who are we?…”
This liberal is an Oscar and Emmy-winning director. He did not direct “Batman” or “Dirty Harry”, so he may not be in your movie collection.
*Anna Bryson recently has come out in favor of firearm protection for the San Juan Capistrano School District.
This was our response:
*Anna Bryson,
Good work out there! We like the David Keene approach the best: Much as we
have Pilots with Firearms……the same would be for School Administrators that
are willing to be trained and qualified with a firearm and follow all the requirements
of a County provided CCW.
Additionally, those who schools who do not have Volunteer Administrators for this
kind of program could hire Private, Armed prior service Military or Police that again
are firearm qualified, must do semi-annual testing to keep up their skills.
Finally, the other option is to have Local Police dedicate part-time officers to the
daily security of schools. Example; Officers have their own schedules for Patrol or other duties. Two hours a day, they fit school security into that duty schedule…which
would allow for two hours of Overtime Pay.
In any event, there are some very logical methods to provide security for our schools. We do suggest that school security shifts for any of the above – not exceed four hours per day per participant. We don’t need Security folks…sleeping on the job.
Ron & Anna
Yeah, well it’s a grotesque, impractical idea when LaPierre said it, and it’s a grotesque, impractical idea when you say it too.
*We love expert opinion. What makes you a “Firearms Safety Expert” again?
Or are you a Educator? How about a “Public Safety Professionsal”. Just let us know….we love to listen to people in the know.
You think we need a “Firearms Safety Expert”?
We are talking about the mass murder of schoolchildren, not how to prevent shooting your bunkmate while you’re cleaning your rifle.
What we need is common sense, which tells us that civilians don’t need 30 round clips or 50 round drums for their AR-15s. Common sense tells us that not everybody should be able to buy a gun when and where ever they want.
Do you need a “safety expert” to tell you that you shouldn’t give a boy a Shelby GT 500 for his 16th birthday?
No….common sense tells you that.
*Right you are….don’t leave the keys to the Ferrari on the kitchen table when you go off on three week vacation….leaving your teenaged boy at home alone.
However, everyone saw “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”….and thinking stuff doesn’t happen when parents don’t pay attention is really stupid.
OK…..tell you what….we will take you South Central LA and leave you out on the corner for a few days……if you survive…..the input you receive from the locals might change your mind about high capacity magazines.
By the way, “Mass Murder” of any and all people has nothing to do with just School Children. Aurora and Gabby Giffords were no “Date Nights at Disneyland” either. Luckily the dope in Aurora used a very high capacity magazine that jammed and would up saving lives. But then again…that guy was “really intelligent” according to news reports.
“the dope in Aurora used a very high capacity magazine that jammed and would up saving lives.”
My point exactly! A diminished capacity magazine saved lives. Thank you!
I knew you would come around.
*Demo – learn the errors of your ways. Nidal Hassan shot 13 of his own soldiers….standard issue pistol 16 round. Muhammed Lee…shot 10 …each one a single shot. Sgt. Bales in Afghanistan 16 babies dead….standard issue M-4 – 20 round box magazine.
You paint your pictures any way you want…..and then look in the mirror…..it is people that don’t get it…..not the firearm.
*By the way, the Aurora guys expended about 50 – 60 rounds. Essentially, the same as 2 – 30 round magazines. Because he didn’t know how to clear a jam..which could have occurred even with one round ………he left and went out to his car. If the girl didn’t run over and lock the Cinema door and the cops hadn’t come and caught him seated in the passenger side of his vehicle with a jammed firearm….things could have been much worse. You are David Gregory should take some Firearm Safety Courses before you jack your jaws.
Again you make my point….”things could have been much worse.”
Yes they could have, if his gun didn’t jam and therefore the bullets stopped coming out of it.
What do you think the damage would have been if he had Dual Mounted Dragon M-50’s on a Hummer?
There have to be, and there are, limits as to what you can own.
We disagree on what it is that you can buy at WalMart. You think a 30 round clip is fine. I don’t.
*So, you support the right of folks to own and use Muzzle Loaders? We get it…..you’re a major modern mind.
“you support the right of folks to own and use Muzzle Loaders?”
Yes….and slingshots and box knives. That’s at the bottom of the range of weapons one should be able to own.
This discussion is what is at the top of the spectrum?
What do you think is too dangerous for a responsible adult to own and keep in their house ?
*You really should move to England…..where you only have the IRA and Muslim Extremists to worry about.
Sorry Rambo….I’m not moving to England, or going to South Central looking for trouble.
What do you think is too dangerous for a responsible adult to own and keep in their house ?
Is this question too hard for you to answer?
*Ignorance and lack of proper training! Happy New Year!
You won’t answer the question.
You think that everything is fine.
You are a supporter of the gun manufacturer’s plan to make sure every man, woman, child and fetus owns a gun, or two or three.
No limits.
*Your prognostications are about the same as your intuition and wisdom. Easy to cast aspertions….not so easy to accept common sense!
Everybody knows where I stand… common sense tells us that civilians don’t need a 30 round clip or a 50 round drum.
Let’s hear what you stand for…or do you still want to keep it a secret ?
Statement published in USA Today’s opinion page.December 31
“I am a lifelong hunter, a veteran of the United States Army, and a former elected official here in my home state of Montana. But above all I consider myself a parent, and so I will be forever haunted by the slaughter of those 20 innocent children at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
The day after the massacre, I took my own son on his first goose-hunting trip. I hoped it would be a special experience for him, though I couldn’t stop thinking about the previous day’s events and all of the mothers and fathers in Newtown, Conn., whose sons and daughters were so heinously murdered. They were utterly helpless against a madman and his assault rifle.
Though I live more than 2,000 miles away from Newtown, I cannot help but feel like there is something I could have done to prevent this calamity. During my tenure in politics, I allowed myself to be bullied by those in the National Rifle Association and other extremist gun-rights organizations. I feared that if I didn’t follow their dictates I would expose myself to ridicule and, worse yet, to their wrath in my next election.
I am regretful about my acquiescence now more than ever. But I will not bow down to their pressure tactics again.
I am a proud gun owner and, as such, I call on our nation to stand up and demand that our leaders tackle gun violence in this country. Specifically, the president and Congress must take up the question of whether assault weapons and high-capacity magazines have a place on our streets and in our homes.
This conversation will no doubt raise the hackles of those who disavow even the most minor regulations on their guns or ammunition. They’ll say the government is infringing on their rights yet again.
Let them tell that to the grieving parents in Newtown who just buried their children.
The government regulates the amount of shells I can have in my shotgun when hunting waterfowl. It regulates the number of beers I can have at a local microbrewery. It determines whether or not I can talk on my cell phone while operating a 4,000-pound vehicle on public streets.
We need certain laws in place to protect our health, safety and the welfare of our citizens. Why then is it so difficult to reduce the number of assault weapons that pose a threat to Americans everywhere?
During my service to my country, I was trained to use a rifle not unlike that used in the Sandy Hook massacre. Military-style firearms like these belong in combat, not in communities like Helena or Newtown.
To some in this country, the Second Amendment is sacrosanct. But as someone who has been around guns his whole life, I can confidently say that most gun owners are sensible people who believe that support for the Second Amendment goes hand-in-hand with ensuring the safety of our family, friends and neighbors. We have a right to bear arms, yes. Though we also have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I don’t need an assault weapon to go hunting with my son, and I certainly don’t want him to grow up believing that gun regulations are in any way a threat to his rights as an American.
More than anything, I pray that my family lives in a country where they need not fear for their lives at movie theaters, shopping malls, houses of worship or school. They deserve better.
We can no longer be scared silent by the NRA and we can no longer rattle off excuses for inaction. The time is now. If those brave teachers and administrators in Newtown could stand up and face certain death to protect the schoolchildren of Sandy Hook, then surely we can stand up to honor their memory and do what is best for our country.”
Ed Tinsley is a former commissioner of Lewis and Clark County in Montana.
*A very natural response…….if you are a parent. “There for the Grace of God…go I…” they say.
But…..the situation is never the same….there is not ONE Evil Demon Seed to put our finger on.
Demo – can’t quite get a grip on the fact that “individual responsibility” means taking responsiblity for your actions. You can ban all the 1000 rounds clips you want….but they are not the Demon Seed. If you look at folks like Brevick in Norway, Aurora, the Gabby Gifford Shooter, the Nidal Hassan Army Major Psychiatrist, the Sgt. in Afghanistan, even Patrick Purdy who started shooting up school yards in Stockton. CA back in 1989…….and then of course the Oklahoma City Bombing by either Domestic Terrorists or Foreign Exchange Students from Yemen……the 9-11 Catastrophy……the bombings in Africa, the Cole…….the German Disco Bombings…..the IED’s throughout the Arab World and the Philippines…..Fiji – hey the list goes on and on and each situation is most outrageous than the next. The Somalie Pirates, the deaths by machete of millions in the Sudan and other parts of Africa. You cannot point to one terrible situation or another that could be solved with just one single bullet theory…not even the death of JFK, RFK, MLK or Marilyn Monroe.
Take away guns from those that might in fact save a life in future? Take away guns from a mother of three that lives by herself. Taking away guns….may makie you feel better in the beginning….but when the results of ONLY the very worst of our society HAVING GUNS….is a pretty scary thought.
Many people should never touch a gun…..good or bad. They fear guns the same way a mother may fear for her child’s safety with a rattle snake. A gun however is not a rattle snake…it is neither unpredictable nor a wild creature with its own set of rules. Firearms must be operated, much the same that automobiles must be operated. Some folks are terrible drivers…others are totally safe and will even stop to help another motorist with a problem. Some!
Demo can rant until the cows come home….about how much he dislikes high capacity mags or firearms that have the look of some military enterprise. We don’t plan on changing his mind nor do we wish to. He is totally entitled to his own unsupportable opinion…..just fine – thank you very much, because we don’t plan on changing our minds either!
I’m not ranting or rambling here Rambo.
Just tell us where you draw the line. Take a stand.
What in your opinion should civilians not be allowed to own ?
They won’t say. They take the NRA line…NEVER give an inch.
Because, about 5 days after you do, the government is going to come to your home and take away every gun you own, not to mention every other liberty.
True sign of a coward is someone who won’t take a stand.
Gee if I’m all wishy washy and skirt the issue, then I won’t have to defend my position…so I won’t stand for anything. Pathetic.
People like Rambo just parrot other peoples views, and when you ask them for an opinion, they quote their favorite movies like that is their reality. They feel most powerful when they have their crutches, like a drink, or a gun.
How hard is it to say what you believe ?
And Matt Cunningham is exactly the same, on the same issue. He won’t respond to any of my serious taunts over here:
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2012/12/grover-norquist-and-wayne-lapierre-drown-in-small-bathtub/
Clowns.
Rainbow spewing clowns…..with sprinkles.
“…there is not ONE Evil Demon Seed to put our finger on.”
And yet you want to only talk about mental health, don’t you.
Addressing gun violence in America isn’t going to take an either/or solution. It’s going to take an either/AND approach. You can’t leave out addressing the very instruments that empower people to kill in large numbers in a VERY short amount of time.
*Set your Hot Buttons….on Boring…….
What kind of guns should civilians be allowed? Is that the dumbest question ever? Ever heard of an Elephant Gun? Those have been around since the
middle of the 19th Century and before.
Ever heard of a Barrett Single Shot .50 Caliber rifle capable of shooting anything at 2 miles away? Ever hear of a Pepper Box? From the 1800’s and used without discrimination. Best known for use on Double Dealing Gamblers on River Boats….used by both male and females.
Ever heard of a Trench Gun? A shotgun used in World War 1. 12 Gauge, used for sweeping the Kaisers Troops out of those trenches after they all went over the top and most were killed by artillery.
Ever heard of an UZI 9mm semi-auto or a Thompson Semi-Auto Submachine
Tommy Gun? The Thompson even has a 50 round drum magazine. The UZI uses 20 or 30 9mm.
Guns….lots of guns folks. Ever heard of a Derringer? A small caliber, very conceilable firearms used mostly in a lady’s purse or in the vest of a 1800’s Southern Gentleman.
The M-1 Garand used by troops in WW II on Guadalcanal and all the islands of the Pacfic, all of the German front…….30.06 hunting round – eight shot clip.
The M-1 Carbine ……30 caliber up to 30 round clips….mostly 15 round clips. Great for shooting sharks off your yacht. They are considered close support weapons….and seldom were used for anything over 100 yards.
The beat goes on and Demo-Anon and that ilk……are never going to get it.
They are all worth having and quite safe to shoot….as long as the person with the firearm is able to understand the responsiblity of gun ownership.
So you are in favor of civilians owning the following:
Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle capable of killing someone 2 miles away.
Why do you need or want that?
Thompson Semi-Auto Submachine which is easily converted to fully auto with a couple of parts made on a CNC.
What do you hunt with these?
30 round clips, 50 round drums….what else do you need? A Striker Street Sweeper (a 12 gauge semi-auto shotgun)?
If you think that you need any of these you must live in a very paranoid world. Or maybe you’re the guy that those low T ads are directed towards.
Appalling, simply appalling that they view those guns as “worth having.”
And still, they won’t articulate ANY sort of limit.
Do you think the Ships support or oppose the new California Law SB1221, that banned the practice of hunting bears and bobcats with hounds?
The practice has been likened to shooting bears and bobcats in a zoo.
The animals are chased to exhaustion, then the packs of dogs can tear apart the bobcats, or the bears, which can injure or kill the hounds that pursue them. Real sporty!
Then macho man can step in and shoot the bear or bobcat to “protect” his hounds.
Or, he could have kept his hounds at home to play with the grandkids. That’s what the grandkids would have preferred.
I’m guessing that Rambo thinks that this sort of gunplay is part of the 2nd Amendment.
I’m thinking they’re for anything that will help them compensate.
*It is fairly easy to tell “who” have never served in the military or served as a police officer in an urban, suburban or country environment.
Honestly, we can say we would never trust Demo or Anon with even an M-80 firecracker…..or cherry bomb. They would probably lose a finger or worse playing
Army.
Some people are dangerous with a spray bottle of Windex. Life is like that…..and we would strongly advise Demo & Anon to leave firearms and any explosive device ever created by man…..completely alone. They just might be a danger to themselves or others by their shear ignorance.
What do we need Windex for..you might ask? Cleaning up spills or doing windows after a rain, or cleaning the excess pancake mix from your stove top….after it has dried.
So….what law do you want to protect small kids from those easily accessible Windex
Spray bottles. Heck they could spray themselves in the eye for goodness sake.
Our suggestion to Demo & Anon – start your letter writing campaign today to every California Legislator with your proposed bans on Windex. and other dangers to mankind.
Hate to break it to you, but most police departments are in favor of an assault weapons ban.
And answer me this; were the children of Sandy Hook Elementary School killed with a bottle of Windex?
This is getting funny now.
So the three paragraphs about Windex has to be some sort of conservative beatnik haiku that explains that he has no perspective on the issue, but for the status quo, and that he must have the last word.
So he writes nonsense.
Keep going Rambling Rambo. I got a nice fire going in the fireplace…. please entertain us!
No, no, don’t get up! The waitress (nurse) is bringing you another beverage. Write some more.
By their twisted logic, DDT is a “dangerous” substance that shouldn’t be banned…one should just learn how to avoid or deal with the “danger.” Good parenting, avoid video games, deal with mental health, and DDT is completely harmless!
*You guys are really brilliant…..how in the world do you get this smart?
It must be genetic…….hyperbole…definitely runs in your family.
I’m fascinated by your cleaning tips in the middle (end) of a discussion on gun control.
Do you think the Windex will work on The Festivus Pole ?
You know I got a lot of problems with you people!
*We know one thing that won’t work when it comes to Gun Control –
Stupidity…..and your brain is loaded with it.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” – Isaac Asimov
For those keeping score at home, here are some of the brilliant solutions to the gun control issue offered up by Rambo:
“Blame it on the Bossa Nova….with its magic spell.”
“Try killing a charging rhino on the Savanna…like TR did.”
“.we will take you South Central LA and leave you out on the corner for a few days……if you survive…..the input you receive from the locals might change your mind about high capacity magazines.”
“the dope in Aurora used a very high capacity magazine that jammed and would up saving lives.” So your argument is if you have a high capacity magazine, it will jam and save lives.
“You really should move to England…..where you only have the IRA and Muslim Extremists to worry about.” They don’t have a mass murder problem like we do.
” Firearms must be operated, much the same that automobiles must be operated.”
Do you mean that all registered gun owners should have to carry liability insurance, and you should have to have your gun license renewed every couple of years? Vision tests? I wish that guns were regulated like cars.
This is the smartest thing that you have said in months!
“Guns….lots of guns folks.” True Rambo style here.
“Some people are dangerous with a spray bottle of Windex. Life is like that.” Probably my favorite! Reminds me of “My Big Fat Greek Wedding.”
These are all such crazy comments on a very serious problem that we have here in the US. We have more guns than people, a big mass murder problem unique to our country, and people like Rambo and LaPierre that think that the answer is always more guns.
“We know one thing that won’t work when it comes to Gun Control –
Stupidity.”
Stupidity is to ignore the problem, and pretend that the status quo is working just fine.
Because it isn’t.
Demo gag – The US does not have more guns than people.
“The US does not have more guns than people.”
Okay skally….so what is the number of guns in the US ?
How do we compare to other countries ? Both in number of guns and fatalities by guns?
How many gun stores compared to say, grocery stores ? Or Starbucks ?
The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
My point is to be accurate in your arguments.
“My point is to be accurate in your arguments.”
There are a lot of numbers being thrown around about private ownership. Here is a current one from the NRA website:
More Guns: There are well over 250 million privately-owned firearms in the U.S., including nearly 100 million handguns and tens of millions of “assault weapons”.
How many more do you think will get this mass murder problem solved?
If there is even ONE gun more than people, then Demagogue WAS accurate.
why don’t start f**kin’ counting ’em then? …. let me know ….
Yeah, that’s a f**kin’ practical suggestion.
There is approximately 1 for each man, woman and child. That means MORE than one for each “legal-to-own” adult.
And the gun manufacturers want there to be even more guns.
There are a lot of problems associated with counting the guns in the US, because they are surveys, and a lot of people don’t want to divulge how many they got.
Sound like any one you know ?
Here is the best unbiased report that I have found. If you have a better one…let us know.
This is from:
THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES PRESS
500 Fifth STREET, N.W. Washington, DC 20001
Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review
The project that is the subject of this report was approved by the Governing Board of the National Research Council, whose members are drawn from the councils of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine. The members of the committee responsible for the report were chosen for their special competences and with regard for appropriate balance.
Total number of guns in the US:
1999………………………..258,322,465
SOURCES: Data for 1950 to 1990 are from Kleck (1997: Table 3.1). The 1999 estimate was derived by adding the annual net increase in the stock of total firearms and handguns (manufactures + imports – exports) to the 1990 estimate using data from U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (2002: Exhibits 1, 2, and 3).
So one can reasonably infer from this study that today the total number of guns in the US is more than the population of 315,110,308 (estimate), given this stat from Ammoland.com:
Washington, DC –(AmmoLand.com)- Data released by the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) for the year reported 14,033,824 NICS Checks for the year of 2009, a 10 percent increase in gun purchases from the 12,709,023 reported in 2008.
Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2010/01/gun-owners-buy-14-million-plus-guns-in-2009/#ixzz2H31vojiU
At the 2009 rate of purchases, that would put the total of guns in the US in 2012 at over 440 million.
So skally….where do you get your numbers from?
And you can add to that total the stampede of gun sales since the Newtown shooting.
“So skally….where do you get your numbers from?”
CNN says: “according to federal figures, 310 million — Total number of nonmilitary firearms in the United States as of 2009.”
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/politics/btn-guns-in-america/index.html
*It’s nice to know there is no quit in your Franco Harris “Immaculate Perception” logic. Try this for fun. There are 2.5 Billion people in India. Each one has a cow…..so the problem is not cow dung…..it’s the people that feed the cows…..right? Or is it that Sacred Cows……should be bronzed……so they can’t poop? The good news is that even if there were two guns left in the world…..one would belong to a law abiding person ….and the other would belong to a bad guy. But then….that is being optimistic
isn’t it?
Classic Winshipian gibberish.
Wow! I didn’t know this thread was still going. If gun owners keep going back to the “its my 2nd amendment right’ argument, it makes me think of my mom’s argument when I was a kid of “because I said so.” The argument doesn’t hold water. Its empty words…like saying I want it because I want it and thats reason enough.
So another argument is “I need to protect myself…from the government” what will those people do when they run out of bullets? Do they REALLY believe the government will run out of ammo before the gun owner????? Its a false sense of security.
I actually heard a caller on NPR say he is buying an assault rifle in case California has a major earthquake. Whatever happened to — lets work together? Are people really that afraid of the next guy? This guy feels threatened that an earthquake is his justification? Is he that scared someone is going to take his food, belongings, wife, etc.???
If he is scared, is that good enough? What exactly does a “water-holding” argument look like?
Paranoia isn’t exactly un-American behavior.
“Paranoia isn’t exactly un-American behavior.”
No, but it is, quite often, irrational and devoid of much of any relationship to reality.
Wait a minute . . . so sometimes they really are out to get you?
To say that there isn’t a single person in this country that would like to see, for example, the government to strip us of all our liberties and overthrow our form of government would be ludicrous.
But, you tell me…what are the odds of that happening? Are those odds high enough that it makes a compelling case for all of us being armed with assault weapons?
I concede that the odds are not high.
On that note, what are the odds that a typical law enforcement officer will be confronted with a situation that demands use of an AR-15 that could not normally be addressed by a standard issue sidearm, shotgun, or low capacity rifle?
Low right? Seems a bit odd we have one in every squad car.
Actually, I’m not so sure I’d be willing to concede that those odds are low. Aren’t assault weapons quite common among criminals and gang members? Hell, aren’t they common among your garden-variety gun owner?
Not for Governor Don Siegelman !
“.. a lot of people don’t want to divulge how many they got.”
You got that right – and those who do not own guns benefit because the bad guys don’t know who has guns and who doesn’t have ’em.
Except of course when a weasel ass newspaper prints the addresses of those who have gun permits – then the bad guys know to stay away from those homes. Those who don’t own guns in those areas then lose the benefit of the bad guys not knowing who got ’em and who don’t got ’em ….. get it?
Sometimes, the people we think are the “good guys” aren’t so good.
http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
How many lives were saved by concealed carry gun owners?
Find those stats and let us know. Until then, I’ll assume the answer is zero.
How many of those killed by concealed carry gun owners were criminals killed in self-defense?
Skally….I certainly understand why somebody wouldn’t want to say if they had a gun. If somebody asked me, I probably wouldn’t tell them that I owned one, unless he was a cop.
My point was… that is what makes it hard to figure out how many guns are in the US. People aren’t always truthful in a survey.
You’re giving me a hard time about the accuracy of my numbers, and I am saying that it’s impossible to get hard numbers from surveys.
What I did provide was the best available estimation from a very credible group. Where did you get that lowball number you came up with?
Source please?
*Why don’t you guys….talk amongst yourselves! You can learn so much that way!
Learn and grow…..learn and grow! Hopefully, you won’t be tested by a State Agency
for competency in your selected course of study.