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A friend of mine sent me this and I really liked the sentiment and want to pass it on to the noble readers of the juice:
What’s going on with the Protesters?
How many of you have heard of the top down, bottom up, inside out theory? Take a balloon for instance. Put pressure on it from the top, from the bottom up, doesn’t it eventually pop? Well, that’s what is happening with the Occupy Wall Street protesters. These people have had pressure from the top (Wall Street and big government), from the bottom (can’t pay their bills, homes being foreclosed on, loans can’t be paid, can’t get a job), and they are “popping out.” This popping out is creating immediate chaos in the day-to-day lives of those unfortunate enough to live and work in the area where they are protesting (at least for now). Their goal is to shut down the financial institutions unless their demands are met.
What are their demands?
They want to be bailed out of their loans, their student loans, and their home loans. Their reasoning is that since the corrupt banks got bailed out from the government, so should they. They lack health care and jobs. They want money for education. And, they want the destruction of the environment to stop. They also want a redistribution of money from the rich to them. They blame corruption and unfair practices with the banks and with corporations. They blame the government too but that gets a backseat to banks and corporations and rich people.
Who’s Supporting Them?
Th Occupy Wall Street movement is growing across the United States in the major cities. Support for their protest includes Hollywood celebrities, professors from our Ivy League Schools, the powerful public unions, and local governments. These influential people are fueling the protesters to be more angry, to believe they are so right and blameless in their struggle. Are they? In California the Los Angeles City Council along with the Mayor sympathizes with the protest movement. The City gave out 100 ponchos to the protesters. Taxpayers by the way paid for them. Interestingly, in New York the movement already has a nice 4-color newspaper being handed out to the protesters, unifying them in their angry quest and demands. Who financed that?
This morning on the radio, I heard the President talk about this situation. He has no plans to try to stop them and protect the rest of America from their pressure to shut down the financial institutions unless their demands are met. The President sympathizes with them. He blames all the same people although he added Republicans to the group.
What’s the Truth?
It is true, Republicans (as well as the tea party) were not in favor of the bailouts. They were not in favor of more spending, more social programs, or more federal agencies. They were interested in cutting spending, reducing the debt, and eliminating overlapping federal agencies. Of course, it’s not popular. They were against the stimulus, against raising the debt ceiling, etc. But why? Because the debt of our nation was and is becoming so astronomical it is threatening our national security (our families) and our sovereignty. It was going way beyond just being able for you to get a job, keep working, put food on the table or get health care, or for you to pay off your loans. Way beyond!
Who’s to Blame?
The growing national debt, the growing government social programs that don’t help the people help themselves, is the bottom up the President along with his administration and the Democrats don’t want to talk about. They don’t want to let the Occupy Wall Street protesters know that the government is also to blame. Big time, both parties! They want to remain blameless in your eyes so they will not tell you the truth. Notice how they are blameless. But, in reality they are the ones that have been acting “stupidly” and “irresponsible” to put it in the words of the President. Again, both parties and for so many years. Why? Because they can win votes and make for themselves lots of money, your money.
Our National Security at Risk!
In truth, this President and his administration has stepped up the rate of this unsustainable debt crisis, truly our national security crisis, all in the name of doing what’s best for you or fair for you. These are liberal policies being implemented – social justice (socialism?), and progressive policies being implemented – government is the solution (communism?). Keep in mind that social justice is not part of our Constitution and certainly government intrusion to the extent our government has gone is also not part of our Constitution. Is this what President Obama meant when he said he was going to fundamentally transform America? Keep in mind also that it was these same social justice programs and government intrusion (extra money for schools and teachers, lunch programs, books & supplies, etc.) that were implemented in efforts to help our inner cities and their families. Inner cities where crimes run rampant and education is at its worst. Where hope for a better life is dark and whose numbers are ever increasing.
Time to Prepare!
All this to say, financial experts and political experts are telling us we are in the making for a collapse of our society. I would have more hope if it were not for the wool being pulled over the eyes of our youth and over the eyes of many uninvolved Americans. I would have hope if the media would do its job. I would have hope if other men and women of influence would open their eyes, research for themselves, and speak up. I would have hope if Congress would begin impeachment of this President for so many indiscretions. I would have hope if we could freely bring God into the discussion. But, this is not happening. So, be prepared. Start finding out what it is you can and should do to help your family. The basic necessities will take all your time and money. There will be no time to look back.
Cathy Richardson
Co-Founder, SOC912
I like Cathy’s conclusion:
All this to say, financial experts and political experts are telling us we are in the making for a collapse of our society. I would have more hope if it were not for the wool being pulled over the eyes of our youth and over the eyes of many uninvolved Americans. I would have hope if the media would do its job. I would have hope if other men and women of influence would open their eyes, research for themselves, and speak up. I would have hope if Congress would begin impeachment of this President for so many indiscretions. I would have hope if we could freely bring God into the discussion. But, this is not happening. So, be prepared. Start finding out what it is you can and should do to help your family. The basic necessities will take all your time and money. There will be no time to look back.
Indeed. It is time for the Republican Congress to begin impeachment proceedings on this indiscreet President, perhaps for the Murders Geoff has written about. And she is certainly correct that it is time for her and her family and comrades to retreat immediately with all their basic necessities. Remember the lesson of Lot’s Wife – there is definitely no time to safely look back at all the horrors of Occupy Wall Street!
I think that we have to start teaching people Keynesian economics in third grade to have any chance of survival.
Don’t worry Greg, they are rewriting all of the economics books right now to show that government supplies all services more cheaply than the private sector and that everyone is entitled to an equal standard of living.
As Reagan once said, “well, there you go again!”
No, not “all.”
And no, not “everyone.”
To say that you’re out of touch with the ties between academic economists, Wall Street CEOs and the US Government (not to mention other governments) would be the understatement of the century.
Is that all you have? Let’s have some specifics.
You mean like the kind of specifics Geoff provided in his comment of 3:15 PM?
Geoff doesn’t have to, he agrees. Again, specifics please. Where is this writer so out of touch? Or, do you not want to admit you’re one of the influential (?) people out there with the wool being pulled over your eyes not doing the real research to seek the truth?
Umm, no, he doesn’t agree. Why? Because he grotesquely caricatured Keynesian economic theory.
And can you show me where he agreed that we have to start teaching Keynesian economics in third grade?
“In 2006, the Icelandic Chamber of Commerce commissioned an expensive report from Columbia Business School economist Frederic Mishkin, which affirmed the banks’ stability with few qualifications. The following year the Chamber of Commerce commissioned another one from London Business School’s Richard Portes, which reached much the same conclusion. (After Iceland’s collapse, Mishkin’s report, called “Financial Stability in Iceland” was re-listed on his CV as “Financial Instability In Iceland”. Mishkin told Inside Job director Charles Ferguson that it was a typo.)”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-wade/emshadow-eliteem-the-insi_b_762293.html
You forgot to capitalize “They.” It’s spookier that way.
You are talking about the Tea Party too, right? That tarted out as a very diverse un-organized, disatisfied bunch of wierdos and look where it is now. How sad for you right wing hypocrites that us lefties know how to organize and that we are smart enough to ignore ignorant rhetoric such as your statement. We will eventually make the Tea Party look like a Tea Party. Kick back and watch, the Revolution will be Televised.
@ Lee Wofford…..another interesting contrast is the different approaches that these two groups have taken towards recorded video and media.
The early Tea Partiers were warned against being interviewed and find out who they were talking to first in the media, because so much of the first exposure was of the their “members” were crazy wack jobs that had no facts , no understanding of the hypocrisy they were taking part in , and no teeth….but were more than willing to go on live air to express their “views”, usually punctuated with a misspelled sign.
Occupy Wallstreet , Chicago, LA, Orange County, Costa Mesa, Irvine, Anahiem, Santa ana, Orange, Fullerton, etc. etc. etc. , the organizers encourage , videos, live streaming, live press , print media etc….not just for protection against the police but to show how strong independant and knowledgeable it’s supporters are.I’ve yet to see a misspelled sign although I’m sure there’s some out there..
Huge difference…..and one worth taking note.
Hmmm… I wonder when we start getting provocateurs and other interlopers.
Oh well, by their spelling we shall know them! 🙂
These protesters are trying to instill fear. They are “economic terrorists” and they know it. A people trained to arms, fully prepared materially and spiritually, would never fear the communist rot now forming into mobs. There will be violence if we let them continue unanswered. The only way to prevent the violence is to prepare for it. Buy a gun and train to use it as a peaceable citizen for self-defense. Smile, be polite, and be prepared to stop any attack on you or your family.
ha everything you said is exactly the opposite, just like death culture, backwards/ insecure. these courageous folks are protesting against fear, economic terrorists, communism, mob violence, bullies, murderers, banksters, ignorance. who are you working for? ..well it’s pretty obvious. get with the program and back to reality. back to real family, earth family. we are all one. mutual care will get us there.
courageous? How? Only one topping on the pizza delivered by local government makes them courageous?
Here’s a great back up to this post. “If the so-called Tea Party is going to mean anything at all then it has to get in the middle of this debate and protest movement right now and amplify the voice that represents common ground.” He makes seven points. The first point is, Stop the looting and start prosecuting. Read more . . .
http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=195248
WE WENT TO OCCUPY LA ON ITS FIRST DAY TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS REALLY HAPPENING THERE! THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND OUT!
BY JOHN OETKEN OCCUPYLA 10-1-11
We went to Occupy Los Angeles yesterday….and what we saw was a lot of information starved pissed off young people who can see their future is one of slavery to the Federal Reserve and the criminals who run it and our government. Now they are confused a bit about “capitalism vs. corporatism” but when you explain the Federal Reserve and how they have stolen the wealth and taken over the major corporations they start to open their eyes.
This was NO pro Obama rally….not hardly a peep about that guy although his supporters were there…but too embarrassed to really promote the fool. Many there condemned Obama. Sure there were your socialist/communist types trying to influence people. But we brought the message of true freedom, liberty, and the Constitution…..most of them sucked it up and wanted more.
If you want to fight for freedom I say go and get the true message out…tell the truth. Why let the statists try to control the message and proposed solution? What are you afraid of? Can you not hold your own in a discussion? Agree and what you can and then agree to disagree on what you can’t. Most of these people need information and dialog. They are ripe for the message of liberty and freedom. So many thanked us for being there it was amazing. Don’t let the statist idiots control the message….especially to the young
right on, an intelligent statement
Geoff, that was truly pathetic. The truth is, that the kids are all right, and most of them are far more informed than you. Some of them even believe in God and Country! (“God”, probably because it is Cheesy propaganda just like you. )
Yes, these spoiled non-workers have demands whose justice will ring through history:
The right to take out a loan and then not to have to pay it back! ( right up there with give me liberty or give me death)
The right to have the government pay you, especially if you choose not to work ( unfortunately this one does resonate with slackers around the country – but not exactly one that history will report kindly)
Yes, these kids are so much more articulate than the average bear.
everything you said was the opposite. these “kids” are the ones actually doing the real work amidst the slackers, con-artists. they are on strike against laziness, inefficiency, rackets, extortion, and mis-informed people like yourself who bark at shadows.
Yes, iand the “real work” they are doing is demanding pay for no work and the ability to walk away from money they borrowed. If I have this wrong, please educate me so that I won’t “bark at shadows” anymore.
You like to speak poetically, unfortunately you are like the protestors that evidently don’t know its not about speaking words its about communicating ideas – and you both fail.
dont forget that lots of goons also belive 9/11 was a inside job
omg did you seriously just say that? wow scary
Andrew, was 9/11 and insided job?
Yes!
Stop the looting?……where in the hell did you get that?
Oh…….that link you provided,…..more tea party hysteric misguided mantra, that has no basis in actual facts or linkable quotable verifiable sources.
The Tea Baggers are just mad that they couldn’t get over that rabid right wing birther meets KKK meets protect the big oil monied interests that run this country thing. Didn’t help being fueled by Dick Armey and the Koch Brothers.
Now that their polls have plummeted to the “usual suspects” 28% w/ 53% unfavorables, they are sitting in their well deserved bleak wilderness of political oblivion. No worries they can always watch You tube videos of Sarah Palin and hold on to the good times.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/tea-party-poll-unpopular
While you are out there waving your misspelled rants against …..Obama being Kenyan…..the rest of us 99% that are out of work , in debt, lost our homes, losing our pensions and retirements, closing our businesses, are mad and speaking out. And we are speaking out against the institutions and policies that actually caused this.
Willis claiming this is a directionless force should read this:
Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half our 401ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bail outs, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?
Yeah , me neither….Pass it on.
Willis just can’t bring himself to go in the direction this movement is heading.
another intelligent statement, ther is hope for this country.
Geoff – Do you consider yourself to be in the top 1% wealthiest in this nation?
Oh, and SOC912 is the short way of saying, South Orange County 9/12, a Glenn Beck inspired group! Hence, the apocalyptic buffoonery at the piece’s conclusion.
I remember watching the old western TV shows and movies.
Where the cowboys would herd the cattle down main street to the corrals for shipments to the slaughterhouses.
I heard that there are modern day feed buckets at the end of the protests, free pizza’s.
Gericault is right, I saw a sign with all the words spelled correctly, it said:
“eat the rich” very nice very nice. gericault is aroused by that i bet.
these are leftist , union hacks, keith oberman type haters, gericault’s in love with them because no one likes him. go occupy wall street gericault, good riddance. chairman Mao would have loved you but you are too late. your raggedy looks will play well in a tent city.
life is not that simplistic and never will be.. get rid of the one side against the other backwards superficial bs. what planet are you from?
Yes, “get rid of side against the others” – just like the protestors “its the 99% versus the 1%” – very articulate.
Found this on the DailyKos, sorry about the length, but it was just too apropos;
My list of absolute demands for Occupy Wall Street
by Mark Sumner
Look folks, are you sure you’re doing this right? I mean, where are the TV hosts providing daily updates and talking points? Where’s the billionaire supporter to arrange signs, flags, stages, entertainment and giant star-spangled touring buses? Where are the nice pre-printed bullet point lists and glossy handouts that summarize 40 pieces of legislation already on the floor of the House (or being drafted by lobbyists) which absolutely everyone there supports 110 percent? Where’s the media empire telling you when to meet, how long to meet, who to cheer, who to hate, what to say and how to vote? Do you even have a list of commercial sponsors?
Come on. Is this any way to run a spontaneous, grassroots movement?
You may wonder why the tea party was so readily picked up by the media, but it’s not a secret. The tea party was the media. Is the media. It was created as a media stunt, nurtured as a publicity event for a network and its pundits, and shaped to be a reliable trumpet that only Rupert can blow. Not only did the meetings come at predictable intervals (same tea time, same tea channel), with announced agendas, it just so happened that there were dozens of pundits conveniently available on day one, ready to provide commentary and insight. Better still, most of these tea party spokesmen or grassroots leaders were familiar faces who had been on air before, and who were being put forward by the same conservative organizations who line up guests every week for ABC through NPR. They wore camera-friendly clothing, knew when to laugh with the host, and could recite their positions like they’d been doing it for years. Because they had.
Those who wanted to cover the tea party only had to follow the instructions. It was just as easy and mindless as zapping some microwave popcorn, except this popcorn came with a phone bank that would hector you if you failed to follow the steps to the letter. It was much, much easier for most media outlets to cover the nonpartisan and populist tea party than to ignore them. The tea party is not a political movement, it’s a reality show with huge corporate sponsorship.
On the other hand, Occupy Wall Street is … what are you, anyway? You’re there all the time, you don’t have a checklist of pre-digested talking points, and you don’t have recognizable leadership or A-list pundits to shape your message. You’re a mess, that’s what you are. Everywhere and every when, without mass-printed signs and canned literature. You’re a big round blob of democracy that just won’t fit neatly into the nice cube they have ready for you.
God knows, they’re trying to find the right name for you. They’ll pulling old labels out of containers still splattered with mud from Woodstock and blood from Kent State. They’re dusting off Hooverville and looking up Satyagraha in their dictionaries. They are desperate to find a definition that will stick.
Desperate and scared. Picture a dusty old castle, perched on a hill that provides a fine and satisfying view down to the hovels of peons, peasants and serfs. Now picture the residents of that castle waking up to discover that a besieging army has camped outside its gates. The elite are peeking over the fortifications and what they want to know is: Who are you and what are your demands?
That last part, the demands, is particularly important. Do you want low tax, high tax, clean water, oily water, watery oil, holy water, holy cow just what is it that will make you people go home and stop making us all nervous? Not having that list of demands? That’s just unacceptable.
But don’t get out your pens and start writing just yet. Take a break. I have some demands for you.
*When your next door neighbor is foreclosed on…..no sweat…it ain’t you. When your next door neighbor loses their job….no sweat…it ain’t you. When Global Bankers refuse to loan your next door neighbor or you money to grow your business….no sweat you can always sell your business, your house, your car….all at a tremendous loss………..and rent. When you kid graduates from college and gets a Master’s in Economics and Finance….and can’t get a job and wants to move back in with you….no sweat….just move your renter out of the extra bedroom and put them on the couch in the family room. When the price of your property “mark to market” is actually 1/5th of what you are making monthly payments on…..no sweat……we can join the tea party and blame the Liberals…of either party for giving educational benefits to illegals. When you go to the market and realize that food prices have risen 150% in just 18 months….no sweat…….you wife may be retiring soon and won’t need so much Dry Cleaning or Lunch money. When you wonder what kids are doing out on the streets of Wall Street….suggesting that $100 Million dollars a year in bonuses…might be a bit exhorbinate…..no sweat….Herman Cain knows what it takes to work around racism, being drafted and not sending his kids to college. Remember, there is a “work-a-round” for just about anything…..if you are will to sacrifice! You know…understand that you are poor and need to sacrifice. If you are rich….give a buck to a homeless person…..now that is real sacrifice – wouldn’t you say?
If you are trying to say, “Hard work can pay off”; then yes, I agree.
Mr. Cain did not work around racism, he worked through it! He also was not drafted because he was working with the government using his talent for math. And if he did not send his kids to college, that was his choice!
This Occupy mess, has brought together losers, bored kids, and welfare queens, just to show their numbers, they have no idea what they want, all they know, is they want everything, without the hassle of actually working for it!
As usual, the fact you don’t know shit, only causes you to make up more shit.
You’ve accused Francisco of making money off the non-profits he volunteers for, you’ve accused anon and anonster of being paid by unions, you’ve accused every race you hate of the worst behavior you can think of .. and now you know exactly who’s in the Occupy movement. I’m sure you’ve met and know a lot of them! Name one.
Upcoming on this blog – a photo essay called “Working Stiffs at Occupy LA.” My friend Marselle has been collecting those photos and interviews from her two visits up there. But false and poisonous words will just continue to gurgle out of Quinn like a backed-up sewage drain.
I am going with a hunch because most illegal immigrant advocates including the US government/corps have a vested interest in it. Most of the Non-profits in Orange Country directly target illegal immigrants and their children because it is the best way to get federal/state and local grants. And that does include the school districts. Most people who work for Non-profits are in it for the money and I am concluding Mr. B does as well. And again, I am not a tea partier because I am not as nice and diplomatic as the tea partier people, but as far as the Occupy LA etc…goes, really, want a bunch of losers! Sorry, tough love hurts!
So you are gonna keep lying about Francisco. I really ought to ban you again.
Ignorant hate does not equal “tough love.”
“I really ought to ban you again.”……. Hmmmm
I pray that during your activism on the street you get banned too the FPD stile so you learn that speech can’t be banned, you socialist misfit.
At least you don’t make up lies about people and then keep repeating them after you’re corrected, like Michelle does about Francisco.
“At least you don’t make up lies about people and then keep repeating them after you’re corrected, like Michelle does about Francisco.”……. Hmmmmm
You have been corrected about your leftist liberal lies and you keep lying. So?
Those are opinions. Saying “Francisco makes a living off the nonprofits he volunteers for” (and hence profits off of the fact of illegal immigration) is a vicious lie.
[Saying “Francisco makes a living off the nonprofits he volunteers for” (and hence profits off of the fact of illegal immigration) is a vicious lie]……. Hmmmm
So as a volunteer he does not receive any compensation even tax write off?….. since donated time is deductible
So he does not report any losses?
His volunteerism simply disappears?….. Hun?
“You’ve accused Francisco of making money off the non-profits he volunteers for”……… Hmmmmm
Obviously you do not understand “NON-PROFITS Nelson”.
NON-PROFITS simply means that corporation is not tax on certain income that THE CORPORATION MAKES.
NON-PROFITS does mean that Francisco can’t packet unlimited and unethical pay.
NON-PROFITS is not some sort of socialistic commune!
Van Jones has his bottom up revolution in play.
These useful idiots want everything provided by everyone else…typical Trotsky-Leninist pap. Oh that’s right… they haven’t been taught to think critically in public schools or at the university just to swallow the Union (government is good) propaganda.
I predict marshal law and suspension of elections. Obama has no intention of surrendering Airforce one much less submitting to the will of the little people.
fun times 🙂 no more time space for boring death culture. that ship has sunk. all focus on planet awesum, mutual care, all one we won.
You are evidently good friends with Rapscallion and his pipe.
If you are not in the 1% that are rich……you are definitely part of the the problem.
If you want to raise toll road fees, the cost of gasoline and energy, real estate prices and rents……….food prices, the cost of repairing cars, home repairs and the like…..
well…….you undoubtedly know how to make a decent living. If you have to pay for those things…..well….that’s another problem – for the other 99%.
Can anyone translate this? Fiala? Harry Lime? Is it that summertime wine again?