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	<title>Comments on: Melissa blasts Arnold&#8217;s vicious attack on Seniors.</title>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/05/melissa-blasts-arnolds-vicious-attack-on-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-127732</link>
		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 16:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem with saying that though, Lam, is these Republicans and &quot;Libertarians&quot; don&#039;t care about &quot;humane.&quot;  That sounds like a liberal bleeding-heart word to them.  They like to feel like they&#039;re being &quot;tough&quot; and beat their chest.

I find it&#039;s more effective to show how their ideas DON&#039;T WORK, which is usually true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem with saying that though, Lam, is these Republicans and &#8220;Libertarians&#8221; don&#8217;t care about &#8220;humane.&#8221;  That sounds like a liberal bleeding-heart word to them.  They like to feel like they&#8217;re being &#8220;tough&#8221; and beat their chest.</p>
<p>I find it&#8217;s more effective to show how their ideas DON&#8217;T WORK, which is usually true!</p>
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		<title>By: Lam Pho</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/05/melissa-blasts-arnolds-vicious-attack-on-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-127700</link>
		<dc:creator>Lam Pho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 03:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;blowing money on huge pensions and other government waste would lead to the state going broke.&quot;

Well John, I understand your concern about government waste, but I wouldn&#039;t consider the IHHS program as such. It is one of most humane program out there, helping seniors and disabled members of our community enjoy a better quality of life.  And if you&#039;re concern about the cost, there are other ways of cutting expenses and/or create additional revenue as Vern has stated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;blowing money on huge pensions and other government waste would lead to the state going broke.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well John, I understand your concern about government waste, but I wouldn&#8217;t consider the IHHS program as such. It is one of most humane program out there, helping seniors and disabled members of our community enjoy a better quality of life.  And if you&#8217;re concern about the cost, there are other ways of cutting expenses and/or create additional revenue as Vern has stated.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/05/melissa-blasts-arnolds-vicious-attack-on-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-127697</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 02:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John, and yes, this Fox appears to be another fool in the making...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John, and yes, this Fox appears to be another fool in the making&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/05/melissa-blasts-arnolds-vicious-attack-on-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-127686</link>
		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 02:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Art, that&#039;s progress from just screaming &quot;corrupt UNION shill!&quot;  You ask, how is she going to solve the state budget crisis without making this particular inhumane cut.  (As though she is supposed to single-handedly figure out what&#039;s escaped all Sacramento thus far.)  Well, I do have some answers for you, some I know she agrees with, some I think she might:

First, easiest answer:  NOT THIS WAY.

I believe there&#039;s enough information in my post to show that this &quot;cut&quot; won&#039;t really save us money at all.  Sure, on paper, THIS YEAR,it might look like a cut.

But let me summarize from above:  Much less federal dollars coming in.  Hundreds of thousands of California thrown back into unemployment, no longer paying taxes, and draining resources.  Seniors forced into hospitals and nursing homes, where they will still be cared for AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE, BY HIGHER-PAID *UNION* WORKERS.  Catch all that?  This is a typical Schwarzenegger gimmick.

Now, how WOULD Melissa (and most other Dems) both raise revenues and cut expenses?

I&#039;ve already mentioned two BIG ways -

The oil extraction tax, which I hope you read my post on, so you won&#039;t keep thinking that it will cost us at the pump. (I&#039;ll be very frustrated and disappointed in you if you still think and say that)

And marijuana decriminalization/taxation, which will not only bring in hundreds of millions of tax dollars, but also SAVE hundreds of millions in enforcement costs (enabling cops to focus on more dangerous drugs and crimes.)

Melissa has promised - on her website you pored through - not to raise taxes on middle class people, just as Obama did.  There are a couple other things that come to MY mind, though I&#039;ve not heard them from the fabulous Ms Fox:

There were a bunch of corporate tax loopholes pushed through last year by Arnold when we could least afford them - those should be undone.

The top 1 or 2% of earners can certainly afford to pay a little more, as they have many other times in recent history;  it REALLY helps out a lot when they do.  Thank you guys!  You&#039;re the greatest.

And for cutting expenses, there&#039;s a few things that I KNOW you and I agree on, Melissa I&#039;d have to check with:

I&#039;m sure she agrees with us on three-strikes reform; cutting our prison costs a lot.

And you bring up ending the death penalty which would save a shitload of wasted money.  I bet you&#039;d like her to commit political suicide by coming out against that while running in a red district.  I think it&#039;s courageous enough that she came out for pot legalization.  Let&#039;s just say she has a conscience, as you and I do.

Plenty of ways to cut costs and raise revenue, without leaning on the beleaguered working &amp; middle class or driving our seniors out of their homes.

One more thing:  I&#039;ve asked the Fox people to put more details on their website about how she proposes to pay for her ideas, and i won&#039;t be surprised if the very popular and long-overdue oil extraction tax ends up there.  But her people point out - most other campaign websites are very short on details as well.  MOST NOTABLY DR.CHOI&#039;S.

That&#039;s really just typical of campaign websites.  Dems and Reeps alike know that the more details you put, the more likely one of your details will piss somebody off - that&#039;s just Campaign 101!  Also, one lone assemblywoman does not make fiscal policy all on her lonesome, it&#039;s a big collaborative process up there for better or worse.

All that being said, I hope this settles some questions.  Oh look.  John Seiler. With very predictable stuff.  Let&#039;s see him read my artilce, though, and try to justify THIS stupid, stupid cut.  It is a monstrosity through and through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Art, that&#8217;s progress from just screaming &#8220;corrupt UNION shill!&#8221;  You ask, how is she going to solve the state budget crisis without making this particular inhumane cut.  (As though she is supposed to single-handedly figure out what&#8217;s escaped all Sacramento thus far.)  Well, I do have some answers for you, some I know she agrees with, some I think she might:</p>
<p>First, easiest answer:  NOT THIS WAY.</p>
<p>I believe there&#8217;s enough information in my post to show that this &#8220;cut&#8221; won&#8217;t really save us money at all.  Sure, on paper, THIS YEAR,it might look like a cut.</p>
<p>But let me summarize from above:  Much less federal dollars coming in.  Hundreds of thousands of California thrown back into unemployment, no longer paying taxes, and draining resources.  Seniors forced into hospitals and nursing homes, where they will still be cared for AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE, BY HIGHER-PAID *UNION* WORKERS.  Catch all that?  This is a typical Schwarzenegger gimmick.</p>
<p>Now, how WOULD Melissa (and most other Dems) both raise revenues and cut expenses?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already mentioned two BIG ways -</p>
<p>The oil extraction tax, which I hope you read my post on, so you won&#8217;t keep thinking that it will cost us at the pump. (I&#8217;ll be very frustrated and disappointed in you if you still think and say that)</p>
<p>And marijuana decriminalization/taxation, which will not only bring in hundreds of millions of tax dollars, but also SAVE hundreds of millions in enforcement costs (enabling cops to focus on more dangerous drugs and crimes.)</p>
<p>Melissa has promised &#8211; on her website you pored through &#8211; not to raise taxes on middle class people, just as Obama did.  There are a couple other things that come to MY mind, though I&#8217;ve not heard them from the fabulous Ms Fox:</p>
<p>There were a bunch of corporate tax loopholes pushed through last year by Arnold when we could least afford them &#8211; those should be undone.</p>
<p>The top 1 or 2% of earners can certainly afford to pay a little more, as they have many other times in recent history;  it REALLY helps out a lot when they do.  Thank you guys!  You&#8217;re the greatest.</p>
<p>And for cutting expenses, there&#8217;s a few things that I KNOW you and I agree on, Melissa I&#8217;d have to check with:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure she agrees with us on three-strikes reform; cutting our prison costs a lot.</p>
<p>And you bring up ending the death penalty which would save a shitload of wasted money.  I bet you&#8217;d like her to commit political suicide by coming out against that while running in a red district.  I think it&#8217;s courageous enough that she came out for pot legalization.  Let&#8217;s just say she has a conscience, as you and I do.</p>
<p>Plenty of ways to cut costs and raise revenue, without leaning on the beleaguered working &#038; middle class or driving our seniors out of their homes.</p>
<p>One more thing:  I&#8217;ve asked the Fox people to put more details on their website about how she proposes to pay for her ideas, and i won&#8217;t be surprised if the very popular and long-overdue oil extraction tax ends up there.  But her people point out &#8211; most other campaign websites are very short on details as well.  MOST NOTABLY DR.CHOI&#8217;S.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s really just typical of campaign websites.  Dems and Reeps alike know that the more details you put, the more likely one of your details will piss somebody off &#8211; that&#8217;s just Campaign 101!  Also, one lone assemblywoman does not make fiscal policy all on her lonesome, it&#8217;s a big collaborative process up there for better or worse.</p>
<p>All that being said, I hope this settles some questions.  Oh look.  John Seiler. With very predictable stuff.  Let&#8217;s see him read my artilce, though, and try to justify THIS stupid, stupid cut.  It is a monstrosity through and through.</p>
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		<title>By: Lam Pho</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/05/melissa-blasts-arnolds-vicious-attack-on-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-127682</link>
		<dc:creator>Lam Pho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 01:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Vern.  You really are the man I think you are.  

Nice to see you again.  Welcome back!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Vern.  You really are the man I think you are.  </p>
<p>Nice to see you again.  Welcome back!!!</p>
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		<title>By: John Seiler</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/05/melissa-blasts-arnolds-vicious-attack-on-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-127675</link>
		<dc:creator>John Seiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 00:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art&#039;s right. I&#039;ve been writing about California politics for 23 years, 19 of that for the O.C. Register. And I&#039;ve been warning of this disaster for all that time: blowing money on huge pensions and other government waste would lead to the state going broke.

The party&#039;s over. Massive cuts are coming. Tax increases wouldn&#039;t help becuase the state already is taxed to the max, and more taxes would only lead to more people leaving. Too bad for all the seniors and others who will be hurt, but this is what happens when voters keep electing fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art&#8217;s right. I&#8217;ve been writing about California politics for 23 years, 19 of that for the O.C. Register. And I&#8217;ve been warning of this disaster for all that time: blowing money on huge pensions and other government waste would lead to the state going broke.</p>
<p>The party&#8217;s over. Massive cuts are coming. Tax increases wouldn&#8217;t help becuase the state already is taxed to the max, and more taxes would only lead to more people leaving. Too bad for all the seniors and others who will be hurt, but this is what happens when voters keep electing fools.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/05/melissa-blasts-arnolds-vicious-attack-on-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-127673</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 00:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical Fox hyserical manifesto.  She offers no solutions, as usual.

Let&#039;s recap.  She wants to spend more on education and now she wants to avoid cuts to home health care.

Well Fox, where the Hell are you going to get the money for all of this spending?  Our state is broke.  

If she is going to insist on screaming about cuts I would like to see where the money is going to come from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical Fox hyserical manifesto.  She offers no solutions, as usual.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s recap.  She wants to spend more on education and now she wants to avoid cuts to home health care.</p>
<p>Well Fox, where the Hell are you going to get the money for all of this spending?  Our state is broke.  </p>
<p>If she is going to insist on screaming about cuts I would like to see where the money is going to come from&#8230;</p>
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