I’m so tired of talking about it. What we are seeing from Democrats in Congress is the full force of the virtuous in action. They know better and they will do anything to get their way. They will violate the spirit and letter of the constitution to get this monstrosity of legislation passed. They talk about “government creating competition“, when that never works. They demonize insurance companies with their Astroturf propaganda that Obama’s advisors are making millions from. They throw out false numbers like 44,000 die every year from lack of insurance. Which is stupid because health insurance is NOT medical care. Pelosi also had to add Government taking over Student Loans to add $100 billion in deficit savings. That means Health Care actually saves less than even the GOP version of Tort Reform, which is weak at best.
Meanwhile, Obama is CEO of the biggest insurance company in the country, one guilty of more rescission than all the rest combined. And they still try to claim that Private Insurance companies are the bad guys and Government Insurance is the answer. Roughly half of all primary care doctors will quit their practice if Obamacare passes. With 30 million newly entitled patients, look forward to longer lines in the waiting rooms, few doctors, and less quality.
Apart from all of the propaganda is the ridiculous and absurd notion that controlling spending is the same as controlling costs. It isn’t. Nothing the Democrats are proposing actually controls the cost of health care. They are only talking about controlling what is spent. As in, controlling what care you can and can’t have. Wherever government controls costs, it increases demands. Control the costs of gasoline, you get shortages, as we did in the days of Carter. Control rent, you get overdemand for apartments in cities like New York.
Goodbye deficit reduction
And, finally and latest, the reality that Obamacare is not a deficit reduction scheme but merely one large part of the Health Care Fiasco in toto was revealed yesterday. The memo from Rep. Hoyers office makes it clear that the Democrats have much more waiting to add to the health care bill awaiting each one of us. Next up is the “doc fix”. The Medicare fix for payments to doctors is handled year to year. When that figure is included, the health care plan increases the deficit by as much as $100 billion over the next decade. If Congress fails to implement an excise tax assumed in the CBO scoring, it goes even higher.
Let it pass. Obama doesn’t have much legitimacy left. That will finish it off.
* Update
It looks like the Democrats are going to have to vote on the Stupak Amendment to Obamacare as part of the “Deem to Pass” maneuver. Also, now that Harry Teague of New Mexico has declared himself a “No” vote, the margin is now ZERO. Pelosi will have to get all 8 undecideds to win, even if she gets the Stupak 8 with the new amendment.
If this bill, or what Congress is doing, were unconstitutional, Republicans wouldn’t be fighting it so vigorously. They’d just let it pass and then watch it die in the courts.
But no, they know the bill, and what Congress is doing, is Constitutional.
Could you be more wrong about something? I think not.
Could you try harder to be more convoluted, please? I like laughing when you make absolutely no sense. This just makes you look stupid. So, the GOP would do NOTHING if they knew something was unconstitutional?
One can only assume that’s because you would stand by and watch someone do something illegal, because they will get caught for it later.
Figures a social misfit like yourself would advocate for futility.
I know it’s difficult for you to grasp an abstract concept. But yes…if the bill were unconstitutional, then why oppose it?
And your comparison to an illegal act like, say, murder is ludicrous. It figures you’d draw an absurd parallel like that.
With Crowley, it’s always apples to oranges.
Ramirez’s cartoons used to be carried on the Op page of the LA Times. Your posts are the only place I see ’em now, Terry. It has always saddened me a bit. Such a talented, world-class political cartoonist with such a stupid sophomoric view of the world.
To T. Crowley;
Do yourself a favor. Go crawl in a hole and stay there.
No one cares what you think. Go get a job and make
a contribution to society, rather than blog your
life away.
The OC.
Terry,
Of course the democrats would suggest doing nothing. That’s what they are good at. Let’s give people 99 weeks of unemployment for doing nothing. Let’s give people tons of money for doing absolutely nothing except make bad decision after bad decision.
It’s also obvious the Republicans SHOULD be fighting it before it even goes to the courts if it does in fact wind up there. The liberal judges that have been appointed feel that the courts make social policy. How long ago was it that Sotomayor put her foot in her mouth about the role of the judiciary?
Doctors are NOT going to quit anymore than Alec Baldwin moved to France.
What do think they are going to become contractors?
Stop lying and trying to scare people. For eight years I never saw Bonner crying about a trillion blown in Iraq (BTW to help an elite few). Doctors will find a way to work under the new model.
KenLaysAnIdiot
Perhaps you’re right. But I didn’t make up the number. Thats the New Englad Journal of Medicine. The magazine that touted that Obama quoted saying a majority of doctors support a Public Option. That didn’t come to pass either.
*** UPDATE ***
House is dropping Deem and Pass. It seems. They’ve finally figured out they can’t pass a reconciliation bill to change a law that isn’t a law until the president signs it. And once the President signs the senate health care bill into law, who’s gonna care if the reconciliation passes? hmmmm? the senate allows all kinds of amendments that works differently than the house. And the Senate likes all kinds of things the House won’t go for.
The game goes on…
Terry,
what this is a another way to take money from the people that work their ass off and give it to idiots that are a waste of space… sorry harsh but true!
As for the SAUSD having a comment about anything.. FYI why don’t you have as much passion about the so called underserved and vulnerable you and your counter parts fail to teach every day… sorry harsh but true!
I believe without a doubt that the insurance companies are going to love this bill, just as the love Caloptima… insurance companies are about to get a bunch of new enrolleees!
56 percent of Americans are intelligent enough to know that this bill is a scam..Public workers .. ie SAUSD teachers such as the above (who are a disgrace to their professions) love it… why? SAUSD teachers are paid better than the Irvine teachers (API 10).. anything the federal government has a hand in rewards failures!
If this bill passes working class Americans will become slaves to failures.
as far as people with pre cons .. have them buy into Medical and take illegal immigrants off it!
Quinn, illegal immigrants don’t get Medi-cal, or Medicare, if that’s what you mean.
A Medicare buy-in is precisely something we progressives want!
Hey, good improvement in your writing skills by the way.
What do you think Healthy families is Mr. Vern!
Thanks, i got a Mac with a big ass screen so i can see my mistakes very clearly.. maybe its time to become speckie:)
This bill includes provisions to allow private individuals to be able to pick from the same plans that our elected officials do with the exchange, including plans form different states where possible.
Michelle a question, If you do not like insurance companies, why are you not supporting a single payer system or a medicre buy in program for those who want to purchase it?
Doctors will quit?
The American Medical Association supports
the Heathcare Reform Legislation and is
lobbying for its passage tomorrow.
http://www.ama-assn.org/
“Michelle a question, If you do not like insurance companies, why are you not supporting a single payer system or a medicre buy in program for those who want to purchase it?”
MQ says:
Its not that i dislike insurance companies, its the fact that without out true competition you will have a situation such as California – a few insurance companies with out of control rates because competition is a big O.
Of course i don’t not support anything that is socialized. I am from a country with socialized medicine.. Its ok if you need to go to the doctor for Antibiotics, its very much inferior when you need critical care… Ask my mum, she is dead!
The royal victoria in Belfast killed her because of lack of common sense medical care!
It does not take a brain surgeon to know that anything a government runs will become a disaster because of the lack of service from government employee’s with the ridiculous benefit of a secure job no matter what!
It would be harder to fire a public employee in this country than to find Nancy pelosi in the nip!
look at SAUSD employees, they actually get paid more for being incompetent!
This health care system needs competition, not the government,,,
The government needs to stick with public security ( with the military in charge) and infrastructure..
including plans form different states where possible.
MQ says:
What this means:
What ever insurance companies give more to the underserved and the vulnerable ie… California endowment wins the ticket!
who do you think is paying back the 4 billion to start this left wing wacko endowment?
Doctors will quit? The American Medical Association supports the Heathcare Reform Legislation and is lobbying for its passage tomorrow.
Yeah, Sandpiper, that’s just typical Crowley nonsense and fearmongering. I managed to find the New England Journal study which I guess Eric Cantor’s been flogging. I find this:
http://washingtonindependent.com/79704/eric-cantors-office-endorses-mythical-new-england-journal-of-medicine-report
“Eric Cantor’s office promotes flawed ‘doctors will quit if HCR passes’ study”
“Dayspring doesn’t mis-attribute the study to the New England Journal of Medicine, but I think Peter Lipson at Forbes does a good job unspooling the unscientific Medicus poll that’s at issue here.
When asked, “How do you think the passage of health reform WITHOUT a public option would affect your professional/practice plans, if at all?” 70% of respondents said, “no change.” It is not reported in this data, but apparently primary care physicians, who made up about a third of respondents, were more likely to say that they would leave medical practice.
I have no doubt that there are unsatisfied physicians out there. This data, gathered unscientifically, hyped by the survey company, and widely picked up by partisan media, is not a reliable measure of doctors’ responses to health care reform.
If the bill passes, I wonder if this sort of hyperbole will be remembered the way Republican claims that Bill Clinton’s 1993 budget would bring about a massive recession are remembered.”
Hey, looks like he was also wrong about “no up or down vote.” Classic headline. (LOL)
What ever insurance companies give more to the underserved and the vulnerable ie… California endowment wins the ticket!
Buying insurance from Ca? I seriously doubt we have the lowest rates, doctors in other states might be more likley to accept Ca insurance, but our rates will not bring a lot of outside business.
We are not talking about our in state heath care programs that may be better than nearby states for non-paying lower income persons, non-residents cannot sign up for tose at CA taxpayers expense
NEWSFLASH (for those who care about health care reform);
Loretta Sanchez is AWOL, (actually she is in Florida fundraising), and is a NO vote on the health care bill (so far), but in my hands I have a letter dated March 5th, 2010 from Ms. Sanchez stating her SUPPORT of health care reform.
From Loretta Sanchez’s letter to me;
“Though this bill is far from perfect, DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION.” (emphasis mine)
Here’s her office’s after hours phone number 714-318-5473, I suggest that those of you who care about health care reform call Ms. Sanchez and demand she get her LYIN’, LAZY ASS BACK TO WASHINGTON to vote YES for health care reform!
This is amazing, she is so close to Pelosi. I hope it’s just a game, like Kucinich and Gutierrez, I’ll call her, but isn’t the vote happening today, Sunday? And how do we contact her before Monday?
I know she was really hoping for a public option; but Weiner, Kucinich, Grayson, Sanders, Rockefeller, Feingold, Harkin… all biting the bullet to pass this worthwhile bill even without the PO. So get serious Loretta!
LOL!
The game will be up when Democrats have to put up or shut up. Medicare cuts or deficit damage. Which of the truths of Obamacare will the Democrats choose?
********************RALLY*******************************************RALLY***************************************RALLY****************************
Rep. Sanchez Pls Vote Yes – OC Rally TODAY 11 a.m. PDT (Updated – she’s in DC)
by Femlaw
Sun Mar 21, 2010 at 08:34:40 AM PDT
As of now, it appears that Loretta Sanchez is not yet in the “yes” column on health care reform. She needs to hear from her district today – and we aren’t stopping until the votes are in. If you live in the OC you need to drop everything and get to her Santa Ana office for an 11 a.m. rally (scroll down for details).
When the House voted on the original healthcare bill last November, every single Democrat in California voted yes – thanks to a lot of hard work from so many of you. The Golden State delegation heard loud and clear from their constituents that we need reform now.
With one exception, it looks like the California Dems are ready to vote yes again. But we don’t have 100%, and the vote today is still too close for comfort. 1 in 4 Californians lacks health insurance, so we need every single Democratic Representative in CA to stand with the President NOW and vote yes today on healthcare.
So get to the rally, or get on the phone to anyone you know in her district and tell them to call Rep. Sanchez. We need her to say yes to healthcare reform!
Femlaw’s diary :: ::
We need urgent help to mobilize reform supporters in Rep. Sanchez’ district.
Important Update There has been a question about whether Rep. Sanchez is actually in DC – per calchala and Scarce in the comments it looks like she is there for the vote.
So now we have to make sure that vote comes out right.
Here’s what you can do:
Spread the word to anyone in Orange County/CA-47 (district map) to join a rally in front of her Santa Ana office Sunday at 11 a.m. – the hour when the House is scheduled to begin debate.
Campaign Office Location and NUMBER
604 S. Harbor,
Santa Ana, CA
714.839.4431
Fax: (202) 225-5859 •
figuers sanchez -pelosi are the same . i saw stretch face today with a big gavel in her hand . i wish someone would take it away from her and hit her over the head . it might knock some sense into her . HOPEFULLY WE HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO VOTE NO ON THIS B/K BILL . but with so much corruption in this congress i wont hold mY breath . if they pass it .then they win today . WE WILL WIN IN NOV AND VOTE ALL WHO VOTED YES OUT ..SO NOBAMAS POWER GOES AWAY .
Talked to her DC office – she is definitely there, not in the OC or Miami! She is working hard studying the final draft of the bill and trying to determine for sure that it will help her constituents more than harm them. It is of course a big blow to her that it’s missing the public option, or Medicare buy-in, which would seriously bring down costs.
So right now she is “undecided” but thinking hard about it. I reminded her staff member that once this bill is done it can be returned to and improved (with hopefully a public option or medicare buy-in) just like we did with Social Security and Medicare when they were first passed. I also said that even though I’m calling from Huntington Beach, I think of her as my Congresswoman since all the other OC contingent are knuckledragging dinosaurs and shysters, which she appreciated.
Meanwhile Terry continues to lie about cuts in Medicare – all us sane, informed people know that those will be cuts in waste and fraud. Always so on the Republican talking points, this so-called Libertarian. Not to mention Republicans have been trying to destroy Medicare for decades, until they saw political value this year in becoming its great defenders and scaring the elderly (who are their only growing supporters) once they learned that we had discovered that much waste and fraud.
Cheers! I look forward, after this historic bill passes, to posting an entire anthology of Crowley lies and false predictions on this subject. (Not on other subjects, that would take way too long.)
Too much going on to regurgitate the Vern-ish obfuscations. He’s so delusional he probably imagines Obama is going to give him a car to drive and pay for his groceries too. Not pleasant to watch even a meager mind deteriorate so badly.
Chin up Vern. It’ll all be over soon. Can’t drag this dead cat around forever!
Yeah right Terry.
50% of doctors will quit their jobs.
There’s gonna be no up or down vote.
Obama’s gonna take away Medicare and kill your Granny.
Real credible propagandist, you are.
I’ve got my chin WAY up!
PS if you’re saying you are incapable of “regurgitating the Vern-ish obfuscations,” that implies you swallowed them. Good for you. Newsflash – they’re not obfuscations, but little shots of truth. Unfamiliar taste, eh?
Like 44,000 die every year from lack of health insurance. Or democrats can suddenly find $500 billion in fraud in medicare when they haven’t before.
Or that the final reconciliation bill reduces the deficit WITHOUT the figgy numbers from the School Loan being added to it.
Or that people will enjoy rescission from the government at 10x the rate they do from private insurance.
Or that government actually controls costs.
I could go on… but its so entertaining to watch you squirm!
By the way, the New Englad Journal of Medicine reports the doctors leaving numbers. I believe the more important detail is 30 million new patients believing they have a right to the work and labor of a chosen doctor is more harming.
Loretta is a Si Se Puede, and Stupak’s little anti-abortion gang just signed on!
Pretty sure this clinches it!
Back from the rally; LOOKIN’ GOOD! I think Loretta will be voting YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
About a hundred or so people showed up at Loretta Sanchez’s Santa Ana office (Harbor and McFadden) on very short notice. Thanks to all who showed up!
By the way Terry, we had a VERY POSITIVE RESPONSE lots of honking and thumbs-up, PEOPLE WANT HEALTH CARE!
Woulda been there if I weren’t in HB getting ready for my concert, it must have been fun with you and Gericault and a hundred-plus others. But yeah like I said, Loretta is a SI now! And with Stupak on board, as the Upper Peninsula Bonehead just said before, “We are way past 216.”
Chin up, Terry
Vern,
I am soooo bummed, I really wanted to make your concert tonight, but am having family over. Hopefully, I’ll make the next one. Your concert would be a great way to celebrate this HISTORIC NIGHT!
ANONSTER HAVE FUN WE WILL BE SMILING IN NOV . WHEN THAT BECOMES A HISTORIC NIGHT . HOUSE , SENATE , AND IN 2 YEARS NO NO MORE NOBAMA
http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
The GOP’s Waterloo……….I’m ready for November…..in the shrubs own words….”Bring It On”!
Attention Terry, Michelle, and the grating one (gericault, we want to make sure they see it);
Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by DAVID FRUM
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Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.
It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:
(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.
(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.
So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson:
A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves.
At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.
Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.
This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.
Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.
No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?
I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
Damn it, you two, I saw that article just before my show – first thing I was going to do was put it up here. As a real blog post (we do that sometimes – usually we remember to give credit and a link *cough*cough*Terry*)
I think I still will – it will get more attention than it will here.
This country is about to get very hard to live in…
The American middle class just got very much screwed!
Dems just got screwed too – bye bye, good riddens:)