Forget about the tens of thousands of deaths a year, the millions of health-related bankruptcies, the billions and billions of wasted money, the lost productivity and competitiveness with other nations, and the general lower quality of life for all of us who can’t afford regular and preventive care.
If the reform bill passes, Rush Limbaugh has promised to move to Costa Rica. (Which just happens to have universal single-payer health care – don’t tell him! – he’s probably mainly attracted to the sex trade and easier access to narcotics there.)
Congress, this raises the stakes by a “order of magnitude.” Get it done STAT – BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!
At least he can, Vern. You have a parole officer to report to, right?
Bon Voyage muthah fuckah!
Actually, Masterbater, nope!
Good Riddance!!!
Yeah, except when has Rush actually followed up on a bellicose promise like this?
One to many pills before going on air.
He could not make anywhere near the money anywhere but here, so he is not going anywhere, but one can hope!!!
Vern. You sound depressed today. Need some uppers?
Jovial and chipper, Juice Brother, it’s all good!
if he goes can he take the others who said they would leave the country too . alec baldwin and rosie O . AND SEAN I LOVE HUGO chavez penn.. i love the libs aka progressives would love to shut him up . you guys got your own radio program . OOPS IM SORRY OFF THE AIR AIR AMERICA . NOT ENOUGH LISTENERS I GUESS .
Fools,
He is Not Rosie, or Sean Penn, Or Barbara Sreisand….etc…. The question is, Where will you go for healthcare? Answer, I will go to Costa Rica. (for healthcare) Uh, You people only wish he would leave, fools, pack up your hate and direct it at Obama, because last I checked We are Still in Iraq, have added troops to Afghanistan, and Gitmo is still open, Cheney is Free and not in Jail, Rove mocks you, You have lost the Senate, can’t pass healthcare with a supermajority, and have pissed away more money than Bush ever did, or could……So please just take a breath and enjoy your time in Crazy town.
OOPS IM SORRY OFF THE AIR AIR AMERICA . NOT ENOUGH LISTENERS I GUESS
Funny that, Grate One. I read that story too. But it seems kind of meaningless as everyone we ever used to listen to on Air America is either still on the radio (Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, Mike Molloy, etc…) or moved on to bigger and better things. (you may have heard of Rachel Maddow, or SENATOR Al Franken.) Put on AM 1150, KTLK Progressive Talk, or even better click here to hear it live on your computer: http://www.progressivetalk1150.com/main.html – sounds like Air America to me!
Actually I’d been planning a post on the Success of Air America. Thanks for reminding me.
#10 Bigmarkod,
You might consider reading a newspaper once in a while, you know, just so you don’t sound like a TOTAL IGNORAMUS, besides that’s the grating one’s “claim to fame”.
anonster, HAHAHA You are a fool! “You might consider reading a newspaper once in a while, you know, just so you don’t sound like a TOTAL IGNORAMUS”
#1) Newspapers are dirty, kill trees, and provide day old information.
#2) Using verbal crutches such as “You Know” is bad enough when you speak
#3) You make no point, and let me quote me “last I checked We are Still in Iraq, have added troops to Afghanistan, and Gitmo is still open, Cheney is Free and not in Jail, Rove mocks you, You have lost the Senate (supermajority) can’t pass healthcare with a supermajority, and have pissed away more money than Bush ever did, or could”
Anonster, one more thing! We are still in a recession, and Unemployment is still just under 10%….. Why? Obama said we had to piss away 750 Billion Dollars (now up to 850 Billion) Or unemployment would hit 8%???? Hmmmmmm. I would hate to sound like a “TOTAL IGNORAMUS” But isn’t saving 850 Billion Dollars and keeping unemployment at 8% Better than what we have now???
“if he goes can he take the others who said they would leave the country too . alec baldwin and rosie O . AND SEAN I LOVE HUGO chavez penn.”
That would be fine with me.
#10 Bigmarkod, please try to read up on the subject.
anoster is back from venazuela . how was danny glover and sean and hugo . what a tool you are . vern all those people you named have great ratings i think i saw a bleep about the size of ant on their ratings .
Uh, Lam What did I miss?
#16 “great ratings” Yeah… Al Franken… only one of the members of the “world’s greatest deliberative bodies” and REALLY distinguishing himself there as one of the most effective progressives in the Senate…
#13 Bigmarkod,
FYI;
IRAQ
” We are Still in Iraq”
March 08, 2010
Associated Press
WASHINGTON – The top U.S. general in Iraq says the Iraqi military performed superbly on Sunday’s mostly peaceful election day and that President Barack Obama’s plan to remove American combat troops from that country by Sept. 1 is proceeding on schedule.
Gen. Ray Odierno says commanders will constantly reassess the situation. But he says that as of now, every sign points to Iraqi’s being able to peacefully form a new government in coming months.
Odierno said “we certainly believe” the U.S. will be able to reduce its forces in Iraq to 50,000 noncombat troops by the Obama administration’s self-imposed deadline of Sept. 1. Odierno spoke Monday on CBS’s “The Early Show.”
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AFGHANISTAN
“have added troops to Afghanistan”
From Barack Obama’s Nomination Acceptance speech August, 29,2008;
“I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.”
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GITMO
“Gitmo is still open”
From The St. Petersburg Times, politifact.com;
Against obstacles, Obama still works toward closure
Updated: Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 | By Angie Drobnic Holan
Obama said after the inauguration that he hoped to close Guantanamo within one year, and administration officials admit they won’t make that deadline. During the campaign, Obama gave himself no such deadline, and we’re judging him here on his campaign promises. He said he would close Guantanamo Bay, and concrete steps are being taken to do so. The promise remains In the Works.
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CHENEY/ROVE
“Cheney is Free and not in Jail” “Rove mocks you”
Both men are irrelevant.
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SENATE/SUPERMAJORITY
“You have lost the Senate (supermajority)”
Sorry, the count in the Senate is still 57 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 independents, as to the “supermajority” we NEVER had one, Joe Lieberman is NOT a Democrat.
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HEALTHCARE
“can’t pass healthcare”
Don’t be too sure.
Washington (CNN)3/4/2010 — President Obama outlined his final version of a health care bill Wednesday and urged Congress to bring the plan to a conclusive vote within the next few weeks.
Progress so far;
The President signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, which provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured.
The President’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Act protects health coverage for 7 million Americans who lose their jobs through a 65 percent COBRA subsidy to make coverage affordable.
The Recovery Act also invests $19 billion in computerized medical records that will help to reduce costs and improve quality while ensuring patients’ privacy.
The Recovery Act also provides:
$1 billion for prevention and wellness to improve America’s health and help to reduce health care costs;
$1.1 billion for research to give doctors tools to make the best treatment decisions for their patients by providing objective information on the relative benefits of treatments; and
$500 million for health workforce to help train the next generation of doctors and nurses
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BUDGET DEFICITS
“have pissed away more money than Bush ever did, or could”
Cato: Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
– by Dave Johnson
Republicans like to claim that Obama “tripled the deficit” and point to the huge 2009 budget deficit. They use charts that show the 2009 deficit was, indeed, huge and about triple the prior year’s borrowing. But the 2009 budget was the last year of BUSH budgets.
When you look at charts or hear descriptions from Republicans, they always say that this was Obama’s deficit. This is just propaganda- lies intended to deceive. For example, when Obama spoke at the Republican caucus retreat yesterday, GOP Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas said that Obama had “tripled the deficit.” A CNN fact check addresses this,
Obama was essentially correct when he said he inherited a budget deficit of $1.3 trillion. Though the budget deficit for 2008 was a then-record $458.6 billion, the CBO issued a projection in January 2009, just days before Obama took office that the budget deficit would reach $1.2 trillion that year, before the cost of any new stimulus plan or other legislation was taken into account.
So again, Republican claims that Obama has somehow increased the deficit are just lies intended to trick people. This massive increase that was reported after the fiscal year ended Sept. 20 occurred under Bush.
Don’t believe me? See the conservative Cato Institute on this: Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty,
*Anonster – Whew…
are you working it or what? Looks like you have been test driving those Prius bad boys again!
#20 – No Kidding!
Anonster claims to have too much to do, and won’t take up the “journalistic responsibility” of posting here. I would love to see Anonster have the guts to put a notion up to stand the light of day here at the Juice. Sadly, no guts. Anonster is probably a quite well educated dolt who thinks they learned in college the ever present liberal professor lesson: if I can repeat more kernels of information, that makes me right.
But it doesn’t. Albert Einstein came up with a formula and he would then send it out, first, to all his greatest critics, then to everyone else. If someone could come back with a way to shoot it down, he’d go back to the drawing board. There’s no way Anonster will ever let their ideas face criticism. Spineless.
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As for this post, what a waste of space Vern. That isn’t what Rush said. He was asked, “Where would you go for health care?” One would think someone of your so-called journalistic integrity would not fail to make that clarification. Instead, you’ve posted a meaningless piece of fluff where bashers can unite, left and right. Interesting. Fun maybe. Lots of name calling. But anyone who bothers to listen to the cut can figure it out for themselves. Hopes high, reality comes charging in once again Vern. Got to cut back on the anti-depressants Vern, they’re messing with your mind.
“Self contradiciting, borderline paranoid ramblings”, “silly and ridiculous”
Vern, is this really you???
#21 Terry,
You right-wing nut cases crack me up, nothing makes you madder or gets your name-callin’, finger-pointin’, gibberish spewing juices going like being confronted by a bunch of FACTS.
“There’s no way Anonster will ever let their ideas face criticism. Spineless.”
You’re right Terry, I was not about to let Bigmarkod’s LIES go unchallenged, especially when they were so EASY to refute. I not only kicked his ass, but I did so in a coherent manner and therein lies the rub, you’re jealous. Anytime I come back with FACTS, FIGURES and SOURCES, you and your right-wing brethren go ballistic.
I can’t help it that you right-wingers CAN’T WRITE and THINK COHERENTLY, your rambling, nonsensical and even paranoid rants are your OWN FAULT.
Don’t hate me cause I’m rational!
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“If Healthcare Reform Passes, Rush Will Leave the US”
“That isn’t what Rush said. He was asked, “Where would you go for health care?”
Now I know your as mad-as-a-wet-hen about Rush making a fool of himself, but that doesn’t mean you have to take a swan dive off the cliff after him.
First off, Vern referred to what Rush said, NOT what he was asked, take a deep breath and LISTEN to the audio again.
Rush says;
…….”I’ll just tell you this, if this passes and it’s five years from now and all this stuff gets implemented, I’m leaving the country. I’ll go to Costa Rica .”
See Terry, when you use the facts, it’s; Slam and dunk.
HAHAHAHAHA. I LOVE IT!!!
Fact, Anonster bases his view of Obama on what he says, he will do, not what he has done. HAHAHAHAHA
Any Failure is Bush’s Fault, and any Victory is Obama’s!!!
Awesome!!! Fact, You had no Reply to unemployment, Fact, everything else I said is true and you have nothing to refute them, Fact, I really enjoy this, Fact, anonster. Fact, Rush clarified this Yesterday on his show,(and had a lot of fun with this) Fact, I know you didn’t hear it, Fact, you are probably pounding on you keyboard right now, Fact, you are a fool. (Oh, yeah, his own budget numbers show a greater growing deficit, here let me get you a little video, it has nice colors and uses small words.)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc&feature=channel
Fact. Anonster is a she.
Fact. This post was fun.
Fact. Rush Limbaugh is a Tourettsie blowhard who is CONSTANTLY having to clarify what he meant when he shot his mouth off the previous day.
Fact. Both anonster and Bigmark have some legit facts up here.
Fact. I have to complete a few orchestrations (for $) by tomorrow so I won’t be posting much till maybe Friday. Have fun kids, be nice.
Vern,
“Rush Limbaugh is a Tourettsie blowhard.”
Classic!
#23 Bigmarkod,
Uh oh, I hit a nerve and now Bigmarkod has gone over the edge,; triple-gainer into the crazy pond!
Where did you crazies get the notion that Obama was going to be able to FIX the GIGANTIC MESS that BUSH LEFT overnight?
You make this crap up because YOU CAN’T STAND THE FACT THAT THE COUNTRY IS FINALLY GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION!
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UNEMPLOYMENT
“Fact, You had no Reply to unemployment”
“?????????????” …..crickets… because you said NOTHING ABOUT UNEMPLOYMENT, sheesh, now I’m supposed to be a mind-reader too, but here’s a link to a graph on unemployment under Bush/Obama;
http://press.take88.com/unemployment-under-bush-versus-obama-administration/
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“Fact, everything else I said is true and you have nothing to refute them”
See comment #19.
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“his own budget numbers show a greater growing deficit”
True, but that’s what happens when your PREDECESSOR leaves you an economy in RUINS, we will be paying for BUSH’S MESS for years to come.
Bigmarkod,
My mistake, I missed your comment #14 on the Stimulus Bill, here’s an excerpt of an article from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities;
Correcting Five Myths About the Stimulus Bill
By James R. Horney, Nicholas Johnson, and Lawrence J. Haas
Some critics of the economic recovery law (or “stimulus” bill) that President Obama and Congress enacted early this year continue to mischaracterize how it was supposed to work and what it was supposed to do. For instance, some critics complain that, because unemployment has risen in recent months, the law is not working. Others claim that states are improperly using the money to close budget shortfalls or finance short-term projects.
These and a number of other criticisms are off base. The law — officially the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) — is working as intended and, without it, the economy and the job prospects for many Americans would be worse. The $787 billion in new spending and tax cuts was supposed to slow the economy’s downward spiral and then help it recover over time from what will be the nation’s deepest recession in decades, if not since the Great Depression of the 1930s. The law was designed to save and create more than 3.5 million jobs over the next two years, according to the Obama Administration, and to help states close their budget shortfalls so they could avoid even greater spending cuts and larger tax increases than they are already enacting to meet their balanced budget requirements.
Here are key points to keep in mind about the recovery law:
1: Recent increases in unemployment do not mean the law is not working.
No mainstream economist believed the law would immediately revive the economy and cause unemployment to begin falling. In addition, at the time Congress enacted the law, virtually all forecasts in both the public and private sectors underestimated the severity of the downturn. Nevertheless, the law has slowed the decline and is helping the turnaround occur sooner than it would have otherwise.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) concluded last month that “fiscal stimulus under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act will significantly boost economic activity above what it would have been.” [1] Specifically, CBO “estimates that real GDP will be 1.4 percent to 3.8 percent higher in the fourth quarter of 2009 than it would have been without the stimulus” and “1.1 percent to 3.4 percent higher in the fourth quarter of 2010.” [2]
The President’s Council of Economic Advisers, citing CBO and private economic forecasters including Goldman Sachs and Moody’s Economy.com, finds “broad agreement that the ARRA has added between 2 and 3 percentage points to baseline real GDP growth in the second quarter of 2009 and around 3 percentage points in the third quarter.”[3]
The continuing deterioration in the job market was expected as well. As CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf observed in May, “labor market indicators tend to lag changes in economic activity. The pattern of past recessions suggests that employment will not increase and the unemployment rate will not decline until 6 to 12 months after output begins to increase again.”[4] CBO has projected that, even with the recovery law, unemployment will continue to rise through early next year.
But here, too, the recovery law has had a positive effect.
“[T]he stimulus results in approximately 2.5 million more jobs by the end of 2010 than would have been the case without it,” Economist Mark Zandi of Moody’s Economy.com estimated, “and leaves the unemployment rate almost 2 percentage points lower.”[5]
CBO estimated in March that, because of the law, “the unemployment rate [in its forecast] is lower than it would otherwise be by about 0.9 percentage points in the fourth quarter of 2009 and 1.3 percentage points in the fourth quarter of 2010. The boost to total employment peaks at about 2 ½ million jobs in the second half of 2010.”[6] In its August budget and economic update, CBO stated that, “Even though some elements of CBO’s forecast, particularly the unemployment rate, have clearly worsened, such revisions to the forecast reflect a much sharper ongoing deterioration in underlying labor market conditions than had been anticipated, rather than a smaller impact of the legislation.”
For the entire article; http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2870
here’s a link to a graph on unemployment under Bush/Obama…
Oh yeah that graph. I like that graph. Let me help. Growing job losses under Bush followed by reversal of job losses under Obama’s stimulus:
Okay, back to my “employment”
Blame Bush, HAHAHAHAHAHA
Um, well actually yes, Big Mark. Should I mail you a copy of that graph so you can hang it on your wall and think about it for a while? Obama’s doing the best he can with what he was handed.
Did I ever tell you the title of my Masters Thesis was: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics Vern?
or there’s this one:
anoster is a a she , CODE PINK HAS A NEW MEMBER .
So your chart (if accurate) shows that job creation hasn’t met the rosiest of hopes, while mine shows that Obama’s policies have reversed the trend of job loss. Did I ever tell you the title of my thesis was BFD, and Spotting Strawmen?
Aren’t Numbers fun?
Great, Bigmark and Terry,Limbaugh clearly said he would leave the country if healthcare passes. But you want to spin it to where he would go for healthcare. Ok, Let say I buy your argument for a second… don’t you think it’s laughable?
First of all, the caller that asked the question is a moron. Where will you go for healthcare??? That is a stupid question to ask Rush Limbaugh. We all know what the real answer is or should be, right? Limbaugh’s answer is simple, “I will go where ever the hell I want to go. Unlike you poor unemployed bastards, I have a couple million dollars… I can have a team of doctors cleaning my feet and kissing my ass…” But noooo, Mr. Limbo played the common man and said, “uuhh, I don’t know… uuhhh… if it passes…uuhh…” How pathetic and you guy buy into it.
“Couple million dollars,” Lam? Rush is a BILLIONAIRE.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_estimated_net_worth_of_Rush_Limbaugh
Which of course strengthens your fine comment.
Vern, I meant to write a couple HUNDRED million dollars. I don’t think he’s quite a billionaire yet, but I know when Limbaugh farts, he can easily squeeze out a million or two:))