Comments on: Somber update Southern CA Transit Forum

By: larry gilbert

larry gilbert — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:20:19 +0000

Who is Larry “Iglbert” anyway? Typo.
Senator Lowenthal calls Republicans the party of NO. Yet when Lucy Dunn asks him to push back on SB 375 and delay its implementation he dug in his heels and refused.

So instead of having 40 passengers on an OCTD bus you cut funding for transit which might result in having more cars on the roads.

Great Democrat leadership position taken by the honorable Alan Lowenthal, Chair, State Senate Transportation Committee.

Speaker Patrick D. Kelly, Secretary Treasurer and Principal Officer, Teamsters Local 952 needs to have a heart to heart meeting with Alan as more OCTA drivers get their walking papers next month.

By: larry iglbert

larry iglbert — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:07:18 +0000

Brother Vern.
I am truly disappointed. You are one of the few Juice readers who gets advance copies of my posts by e-mail.

If you check back you will find that I have published over six HSR stories all of which confirm my opposition to this high speed train.

AFTER we voted on Prop 1A the CHSRA published data incluidng a reduction in their ridership projections and increases fares in a bait and switch on the voters.
Amazing. While the state drops funding for transit, which serves Democrats more than Republicans, you prefer putting all of our limited funds for a high speed special interest train for Curt Pringle’s ARTIC dream.

Take you pick. Fund entitlements of health care and education or pay upwards of a $billion per year for debt service.
We killed Centerline in OC and new need to place our focus on another loser. CAHSR.
Care to venture a guess on how much the fares will be subsidized for operation?

By: larry iglbert

larry iglbert — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:56:42 +0000

Ron and Anna Winship.
You know that I have been in communication with a former Lincoln Club president on the concept of a bullet train from Vegas to Victorville.
My thought was that high rollers from the Persian gulf would put their families on a train to Disnelyand for the day while they hung out at bacarrat tables. Vegas casino owners would gladly kick in for this system.

We felt that south of Victorville presents problems. This rail system was to be 100% private sector funded, long before president Obama was elected

By: larry iglbert

larry iglbert — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:49:50 +0000

Part of a response from antoher MV attendee who I drove home from the event:

” Well Put!
As I thought about this after we parted, It came to me that most likely, nearly All of the riders that have NO Cars are Illegal Aliens.

FIRST, we need to have the ultimate debate on Man Caused climate change BEFORE we rip our economy apart to cure a phantom problem that can’t be cured by whatever reduction in CO2 emissions Californians can effect as a percentage of the worldwide emissions.”

By: Ron & Anna Winship

Ron & Anna Winship — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:11:25 +0000

*Professor Vern,

“Spinsults!” are a natural progression in the art of blogging. Finding the truth between all the typical personal attack dog nonsense is the big challenge. But then, so it is with life. Glad to see you are looking without prejudice at the High Speed Rail Issue! More should be doing that as well. The question is of course; “Are there going to be benefits to the society in the long run?”

By: Vern Nelson

Vern Nelson — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:29:16 +0000

R & A, Holly Golightly won’t be back, (s)he’s a hit-n-run commenter last seen trashing Joe Shaw, rewriting the history of the 2006 election, and calling all HB Mayors corrupt (only two of them were.)

I’m in the middle of researching the high-speed rail question and I tend to agree with you guys, but I want to read all the opposition too. Including the link Ms. Golightly dumped here while insulting you before running off.

By: Ron & Anna Winship

Ron & Anna Winship — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:27:13 +0000

Dr. Golightly;
Government Waste?
Nah…that never happens. Our only question is: Did you oppose the building of the Golden Gate Bridge too? Probably thought 60 years was too much to pay tolls. Yes, the future just arrives….who needs planning or actually doing anything? Especially when $5 Billion Dollars is allocated already!

Dr. G, can you in fact mention one government program that isn’t filled with backroom deals, waste, corruption and political intrigue?

By: Vern Nelson

Vern Nelson — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:38:21 +0000

My reason for attending this Forum was to lobby my opposition to future, not current challenges on one public transportation project, its expenditures and funding sources, namely CHSRA.

Brother Larry, what do you mean by that? You are through opposing high-speed rail?

By: Golightly

Golightly — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:48:48 +0000

The Winships need an education, or treatment for cranial rectal inversion. HSR is a classic boondoggle. It will cost far more than is estimated, and carry far less than has been claimed. They need do some research at http://reason.org/news/show/1003044.html before hitting the keyboard.

By: Been around a while

Been around a while — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:35:54 +0000

Classic example of a bunch of people saying “aint’ it awful”, “the sky is falling”, with no solution in sight. The same type of forum with the same kind of outcome can be held on education, housing, prison overcrowding, jobs, water, energy, you name it. Folks, the good days are behind us and we are looking squarely at a reality of reduced resources and expectations for the foreseeable future. This is an era that is proving government can’t do it all. Get used to it.

By: Ron & Anna Winship

Ron & Anna Winship — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:38:48 +0000

Larry Partner, on this issue we beg to differ. “When” “if ever” will be a good time to create High Speed Rail in the Golden State? Maybe 2080?

NO, Obama is willing to bring some cash to the program and you failed to mention that Curt Pringle believes greatly in High Speed Rail.
His interview last Sunday on News Conference Channel 4…..is dedicated.

The opponents of High Speed Rail…. are the same guys that were against it in Europe before their rail system became the “Poster Boy” for mass transit. Japan and soon China are very much aiming at moving more than “Blue Collar” maids and dog walkers by High Speed Rail. In any event—-this issue is NO “New Constitutional Convention for California Movement”.

Just the line from Anaheim to Vegas will reduce pollution, put our local Indian Gaming people out of work and save lots of needless air traffic out of LAX and Orange County Airports.

By: Larry Gilbert

Larry Gilbert — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:19:45 +0000

No.
What I overlooked in the post is to mention that during this live feed event, in addition to questions from the audience, some of the speakers were asked transit related questions via You Tube and Twitter.