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		<title>By: PithyOpiner</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/12/mission-viejo-recall-election-update/comment-page-1/#comment-115080</link>
		<dc:creator>PithyOpiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, you guys are funny.  I hope our recall of a school board member up here in Stockton doesn&#039;t come off sounding like yours.  That would truely be sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you guys are funny.  I hope our recall of a school board member up here in Stockton doesn&#8217;t come off sounding like yours.  That would truely be sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/12/mission-viejo-recall-election-update/comment-page-1/#comment-114016</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John. Where am I? did you read my latest post on the CHSRA bullet train?
 There are other stories to cover rather than engaging in speculation on what, if anything, the DA&#039;s office will say or do on the recall petitions.
I have seen an email floating around urging people to call the DA or an OCSD investigator. What is sad is that someone is throwing out charges that will not hold water if or when the investigation concludes. That&#039;s my opinion.

Lies and deception?  As I did not witness petitions being signed let me ask you a question. Before you place your John Henry on any document do you take the time to read it and see what you are signing? 
That said, how can anyone make an allegation of lies or deception?
 Again, I did sign one petition and knew what it contained. I would expect nothing less from any other voter.  If you are uncomfortable with, or do not like the answers provided, simply walk away. Were arms twisted? Were lives threatened?

While I have not endorsed either replacement candidate don&#039;t expect me to remain on the sidelines much  longer as I fully suppport the recall effort. 
In fact there were two other charges I would have included if I wrote the list of charges. One being our fight to stop Lance from giving one of our auto dealers $2.1 million dollars that cost me a lot of political capital from close friends within local political ranks. In seeking our endorsement he had opposed &quot;corporate welfare&quot; than fought us every step of the way as the council finally reduced it to $600,000 over his vocal and voting objections.
 Those people gathering signatures were not union thugs intimidating workers as you see in old time movies.
And a Merry Christmas to you as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John. Where am I? did you read my latest post on the CHSRA bullet train?<br />
 There are other stories to cover rather than engaging in speculation on what, if anything, the DA&#8217;s office will say or do on the recall petitions.<br />
I have seen an email floating around urging people to call the DA or an OCSD investigator. What is sad is that someone is throwing out charges that will not hold water if or when the investigation concludes. That&#8217;s my opinion.</p>
<p>Lies and deception?  As I did not witness petitions being signed let me ask you a question. Before you place your John Henry on any document do you take the time to read it and see what you are signing?<br />
That said, how can anyone make an allegation of lies or deception?<br />
 Again, I did sign one petition and knew what it contained. I would expect nothing less from any other voter.  If you are uncomfortable with, or do not like the answers provided, simply walk away. Were arms twisted? Were lives threatened?</p>
<p>While I have not endorsed either replacement candidate don&#8217;t expect me to remain on the sidelines much  longer as I fully suppport the recall effort.<br />
In fact there were two other charges I would have included if I wrote the list of charges. One being our fight to stop Lance from giving one of our auto dealers $2.1 million dollars that cost me a lot of political capital from close friends within local political ranks. In seeking our endorsement he had opposed &#8220;corporate welfare&#8221; than fought us every step of the way as the council finally reduced it to $600,000 over his vocal and voting objections.<br />
 Those people gathering signatures were not union thugs intimidating workers as you see in old time movies.<br />
And a Merry Christmas to you as well.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry where oh where are you....nothing new to update on our City&#039;s recall efforts.....Does our DA have your tongue ? Has he silenced your rapier wit? Its nice to see you squirm and claim no responsibility on the recall efforts &quot;Other than signing the initial recall documentation I have not been engaged in the recall effort.&quot; I hope for your sake that proves true. As the DA digs into its investigation it will be interesting to see how the trail of lies and deception play out. You are obviously a smart man and have much to offer, I simply wish your talents would be better spent improving the quality of our wonderful City, not just slinging mud from the sidelines. Happy Holidays</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry where oh where are you&#8230;.nothing new to update on our City&#8217;s recall efforts&#8230;..Does our DA have your tongue ? Has he silenced your rapier wit? Its nice to see you squirm and claim no responsibility on the recall efforts &#8220;Other than signing the initial recall documentation I have not been engaged in the recall effort.&#8221; I hope for your sake that proves true. As the DA digs into its investigation it will be interesting to see how the trail of lies and deception play out. You are obviously a smart man and have much to offer, I simply wish your talents would be better spent improving the quality of our wonderful City, not just slinging mud from the sidelines. Happy Holidays</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan. Meth heads? You truly need to get a life.  The last we heard is that this petition process is being investigated. So folks, I have nothing further to add on that aspect of the recall election until we hear from our chief of police services which probably will not ocur until the first meeting in Jan. if in fact he has anything to report</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan. Meth heads? You truly need to get a life.  The last we heard is that this petition process is being investigated. So folks, I have nothing further to add on that aspect of the recall election until we hear from our chief of police services which probably will not ocur until the first meeting in Jan. if in fact he has anything to report</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry what Terry Brown said was that the MacLean forces are using signature gathers to fight the recall.  But the post has a far more interesting point.  If these gathers are really Meth heads and thugs, then it really raises the questions of why Lee hired them in the first place and how much of their work can be trusted.  Oh, and just how many people did she pay in cash?  Meth heads and Thugs, from my experience, don&#039;t have bank accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry what Terry Brown said was that the MacLean forces are using signature gathers to fight the recall.  But the post has a far more interesting point.  If these gathers are really Meth heads and thugs, then it really raises the questions of why Lee hired them in the first place and how much of their work can be trusted.  Oh, and just how many people did she pay in cash?  Meth heads and Thugs, from my experience, don&#8217;t have bank accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m getting my story from the OC Register.  She paid them in cash?  She didn&#039;t put people on the books so they could collect unemployment?  Damn.  I own a business and I&#039;m a real liberal; perhaps the only real liberal in Southern California.  Boxer and that other chick are Neo-Cons in my book.  I&#039;m willing to help my employees start a union.  Victoria has to tell me all the time &quot;We are The Man.&quot;  That is where I am coming from on employment.   So here&#039;s the deal.  You never ever ever pay someone in cash, off the books.  NEVER.  That is just plain stupid.  

And I&#039;ve fired people before and you never say to them, as Ms. Lee did, &quot;even if I hadn&#039;t fired you and you were still working...&quot;  What you do is call security and then make sure they take nothing out of the door other than their personal belongings.  Maybe someone should tell Ms. Lee about the Betty Ford clinic.  Oddly, they asked my mother to be the first director when it opened.  She said no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m getting my story from the OC Register.  She paid them in cash?  She didn&#8217;t put people on the books so they could collect unemployment?  Damn.  I own a business and I&#8217;m a real liberal; perhaps the only real liberal in Southern California.  Boxer and that other chick are Neo-Cons in my book.  I&#8217;m willing to help my employees start a union.  Victoria has to tell me all the time &#8220;We are The Man.&#8221;  That is where I am coming from on employment.   So here&#8217;s the deal.  You never ever ever pay someone in cash, off the books.  NEVER.  That is just plain stupid.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve fired people before and you never say to them, as Ms. Lee did, &#8220;even if I hadn&#8217;t fired you and you were still working&#8230;&#8221;  What you do is call security and then make sure they take nothing out of the door other than their personal belongings.  Maybe someone should tell Ms. Lee about the Betty Ford clinic.  Oddly, they asked my mother to be the first director when it opened.  She said no.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/12/mission-viejo-recall-election-update/comment-page-1/#comment-113097</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry Brown.
What did you say? Signature gatherers were used for, not against , the recall.
As to the anti-recall signs I will reserve comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Brown.<br />
What did you say? Signature gatherers were used for, not against , the recall.<br />
As to the anti-recall signs I will reserve comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madame Leotta.
Sorry that I am late getting back to you. We just returned from Steve Greenhut&#039;s book signing. Books, you know what they are I assume.

Not to be sarcastic but its people like you who engage personal attacks or simply blare out misinformation  about people to give you a high.
Co-conspirator?  Writing on this blog about local events makes me a co-conspirator?
Other than signing the initial recall documentation I have not been engaged in the recall effort. Thank you, but I do not deserve credit for the hard work of others.

Another bit of your misinformation. The county will not absorb any of the recall costs.
It&#039;s almost 9 p.m. which is close to my bedtime so I will say good night.
Looking forward to your future comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madame Leotta.<br />
Sorry that I am late getting back to you. We just returned from Steve Greenhut&#8217;s book signing. Books, you know what they are I assume.</p>
<p>Not to be sarcastic but its people like you who engage personal attacks or simply blare out misinformation  about people to give you a high.<br />
Co-conspirator?  Writing on this blog about local events makes me a co-conspirator?<br />
Other than signing the initial recall documentation I have not been engaged in the recall effort. Thank you, but I do not deserve credit for the hard work of others.</p>
<p>Another bit of your misinformation. The county will not absorb any of the recall costs.<br />
It&#8217;s almost 9 p.m. which is close to my bedtime so I will say good night.<br />
Looking forward to your future comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using a signature gatherer  against the Recall UPROACHES THE UNREAL!!! Most are meth heads and thugs.  This has embaressed Maclean far more than the tacky anti recall signs that now seem to be emerging on our lawns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using a signature gatherer  against the Recall UPROACHES THE UNREAL!!! Most are meth heads and thugs.  This has embaressed Maclean far more than the tacky anti recall signs that now seem to be emerging on our lawns.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/12/mission-viejo-recall-election-update/comment-page-1/#comment-113079</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20,

Larry was not any sort of conspirator.  He was not formally involved in the recall.  

And our District Attorney does not pursue political cases.

If anything this would go to the state.  

And if anyone is likely to find himself in tears it will be Lance Maclean.

I suspect your crystal ball is cracked...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20,</p>
<p>Larry was not any sort of conspirator.  He was not formally involved in the recall.  </p>
<p>And our District Attorney does not pursue political cases.</p>
<p>If anything this would go to the state.  </p>
<p>And if anyone is likely to find himself in tears it will be Lance Maclean.</p>
<p>I suspect your crystal ball is cracked&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Madame Leotta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madame Leotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My crystal ball sees the county spending more money on the recall.

I see the letters D and A

something about an investigation.

I see Connie Lee in tears.

And what about Connie&#039;s co-conspirators Larry Gilbert and Dale Tyler? 

Stay tuned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My crystal ball sees the county spending more money on the recall.</p>
<p>I see the letters D and A</p>
<p>something about an investigation.</p>
<p>I see Connie Lee in tears.</p>
<p>And what about Connie&#8217;s co-conspirators Larry Gilbert and Dale Tyler? </p>
<p>Stay tuned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry...did you mean balls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry&#8230;did you mean balls?</p>
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