Comments on: Misguided public safety union spending in Mission Viejo RECALL

By: Larry Gilbert

Larry Gilbert — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:21:27 +0000

Your group keeps on amazing me!!!!!

Happy New Year to you as well.

By: Your group keeps on amazing me!!!!!

Your group keeps on amazing me!!!!! — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:03:45 +0000

Ass you so eloquently say: “This is a friendly warning. If you return with comments not directly related to the post text you leave me no choice but to delete your remarks.”
& “As we enter a new year can you kindly stay on the thread?”

Please stay on the original thread! Happy New Year (that is until Feb 3rd when the results come in and/or once the recall group is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law)

By: Larry Gilbert

Larry Gilbert — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:04:52 +0000

J. Edgar Hoover. Really???
With your former leadership style, as an activist, I am at a loss for words. For those readers not familiar with your history as head of the FBI let me provide a sample:

“Late in life and after his death, Hoover became an increasingly controversial figure. He exceeded the jurisdiction of the FBI. He used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to amass secret files on political leaders, and to use illegal methods to collect evidence. It is because of Hoover’s long and controversial reign that FBI directors are now limited to 10-year terms.”
And we are to accept anything you might have to say in 2009?

While you are making a point that “justice delayed is justice denied,” you are overlooking one key factor in this dysfunctional city council.

Case in point. I have an email from Frank Ury where he stated the following:
“It is pretty easy to see why Lance is doing so poorly, he does not even know what he believes in. As Sun Tzu said in the Art of War, those who know neither themselves nor their enemies will always be in peril during battle..It appears that Lance’s only belief is Lance.” That email is from 2003 but it only confirms how people can flip. Frank Ury worked very hard to defeat Lance, Trish and JP in the 2006 election and is now his best friend on the council. Together the MUK team rewards , rather than sanctions, Lance’s conduct. Only in Mission Viejo could this blind alliance occur.

By: j. edgar hoover

j. edgar hoover — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:07:54 +0000

A sense of confidence in our police is essential. So is Tin Star stating that it is ok with the police union to delay justice? I wonder what Nicole Brown Simpson would say?

The primary purpose of the law is to protect its citizens. MacLean has a history of violence. The City Council should have removed him from all Committees and Commissions
when his assault of a UCI co-worker became public knowledge, instead, they elevated him to Mayor. What a slap in the face that action was to the citizens.

Voters everywhere are tired of “business as usual” by our elected officials. The voters recourse is the ballot box, and the sooner we can remove the criminal element from
office the better off we will all be. And in this case, the safer we will be.

By: The Insufferable Dan Avery

The Insufferable Dan Avery — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:05 +0000

Oh and you can tell Holtzman he can drop the “James K. Polk” routine as his signature to your blog. And I’m not surprised you yourself couldn’t find a more clever nom de plume than “trailing-the-enemy.”

By: The Insufferable Dan Avery

The Insufferable Dan Avery — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:51:47 +0000

Re: Tin Star, if the text doesn’t agree with what a signature gatherer is saying don’t walk away, call a cop. It’s against the law to give misleading statements to gather signatures. I’m sure Larry will want to know how I know that. The California Attorney General told me in a discussion we had over the Tyler/Lee petition drive. Larry I’m sure you’re getting tired of people pointing out deception…especially since it’s only Dale Tyler who has deceived. As for your article, of course the protective services are fighting the recall. The recall is nothing more than an attempt to undermine democracy. You know, I know it, and according to recent polls, more and more people are getting it. Here’s why: you guys can’t tell us why we have to remove Lance now when he will lose an election come November. That’s a big question for a conservative given the $270,000 for the election and then whatever else it’s costing state and county agencies to investigate Tyler and Lee. There isn’t even a question of “if” they broke laws, since Tyler’s finally filing the recall committee’s 460 and a revised 460 for the period of Jan to June. Those documents proved he broke the law. Simple logic tells me you won’t vote no on the recall and you won’t vote for Dave, so you solution seems to be to replace Lance with a guy who has no respect for laws, honesty, and integrity.

By: anonster

anonster — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:01:16 +0000

Larry,
Your authoritarian, control-freak panties are showing, the threads of a post should be allowed to go where they will, that’s what makes this blog interesting and informative.

Having not followed this story before, I must say that I agree with Tin Star’s point, this recall election is a waste of tax-payer money and generally recalls attract reactive uninformed voters.

By: Larry Gilbert

Larry Gilbert — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:55:03 +0000

Trailing-the-Enemy

While I have heard some residents discussing options for our police services let me say that taking that step requires some in-depth cost benefit analysis.
As to the union participation I may be able to explain it.
At a birthday party for Frank Ury a few years ago I met union president Wayne Quint, Jr. While serving as our mayor earlier this year we all heard Frank Ury state that “we will do whatever it takes to fight the recall,” parphrased.
There is a strong possibility that anti teachers union advocate Frank Ury asked Wayne to pony up some bucks.
There are times when we should not allow a friendship to interfere in what is right. This union expenditure does not pass the smell test and sends a negative message on behalf of the hard working rank and file simply as a political gift to Frank Ury.

By: Trailing-the-Enemy

Trailing-the-Enemy — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:11:27 +0000

It is very interesting that the Sheriff’s union support violence. Lance MacLean has a history of violent actions–that is history
Tin Star.

I guess the citizens of Mission Viejo will have to remember this the next time our contract for police services comes up. Perhaps the Irvine Police Department would be interested in bidding on the contract !!

By: Larry Gilbert

Larry Gilbert — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:36:43 +0000

Tin Star.
The only “BAD idea” is getting involved in our recall election especially with Lance’s track record.

Juice readers. Earlier today I called union president Wayne Quint’s office and spoke to his secretary. In that discussion I mentioned this post, my sending him a copy, and provided both my land and cell phone numbers so that the president of the union could call back to challenge or justify this post. I urged him to respond. As of now he has not called me.

By: Tin Star

Tin Star — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:04:41 +0000

Mr. Gilbert,

The Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs (AOCDS) has made independent expenditures that are against the recall election and the position of AOCDS, as I understand it, is to OPPOSE the recall election as a BAD idea for the residents of Mission Viejo.

Thank you.

By: Larry Gilbert

Larry Gilbert — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:51:50 +0000

Tin Star. do you have a problem with reading comprehension?
Do you support or oppose the OCSD union spending member dues in support of an elected official with a track record of violence? That’s all we shall cover on this post.

As I mentioned our yard sign let me add: While your sign may have gone up after Christmas I saw many supporting Lance at least a week before Christmas including one across the street from our home on city property.
I got the message.
And should you again raise the issue of the recall cost, unless its the post topic, I will delete that comment. Somehow you need to follow some very simple rules.