Comments on: Derailment Update: OC’s Mixed Message to Sacramento

By: JT

JT — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:15:33 +0000

Taxpayer, if the land sold to a developer (which is a possibility), wouldn’t Dave Ellis be automatically sued? I mean, he’s like the caveman that was put in charge of keeping the fire alive. Once the other cavemen figure out he was responsible for selling the fire to another tribe, he’d be in a lot of trouble.

By: Vern Nelson

Vern Nelson — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:13:07 +0000

There is also a profit sharing clause that not just allows for non-fair use, but even seems to encourage it.

That’s right, JT. So many troubling facts, I always forget to mention some of them, and that is one. And Taxpayer, good points – it would seem that Dave Ellis (whom we’ll study later at our leisure in my “Who is Dave Ellis?” post, once the sale is derailed or final) is one of the prime movers, if not THE mastermind, behind forcing through the Tainted Sale.

Remember his curse to us when he angrily quite the Foundation? “I hope you get enough government to choke a horse!”

By: Taxpayer

Taxpayer — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:49:19 +0000

Here are some facts!
-The Population is still growing!
-People need places to live.
-Finding Land to develop in Orange County is very rare.
-Land values are at an all-time low.
-Dave Ellis, (The go-to guy for all of Orange County’s most powerful developers)is the vice-chair of the Fair Board and has been publicly pushing “for” the sale of this property.

Feel free to add to the list…

By: JT

JT — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:49:48 +0000

cook is a good example of all the people that have been misinformed. I originally thought this was a simple transfer to a nice non-profit group. Nope, it’s going to the highest bidder. Whoever has the deepest pockets will be the owner. There is also a profit sharing clause that not just allows for non-fair use, but even seems to encourage it. This is not what the people wanted. It was a dirty bait and switch. People were told one thing and given another. Most of our representatives that voted for the sale admit they were duped. They thought it was going to a nice non-profit. It seems as though everyone was duped at some point in time suggesting that “you can fool all of the people some of the time” is in fact true.

Now, as far as the nice non-profit goes… Vern is right. While other fair boards across the state said “NO WAY, DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT SELLING OUR FAIRGROUNDS!!!”, our fair board said, “YES, PLEASE SELL IT (to us that is)!!!” Some of these board members are true philanthropists and were most likely were led to believe nothing could go wrong. Well, if a developer buys it a lot could go wrong. Even if a nice buyers makes the winning bid, the debt service alone will likely kill the fairgrounds as we know it. The debt service will be such a burden that even the most efficient management team will struggle to make a profit.

Let’s thank cook for bringing to light how this cover up has worked. Sad how there are still people out there that don’t have a clue.

By: Vern Nelson

Vern Nelson — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:21:07 +0000

Sale the fair, it is the best way to get rid of a parasitic organization of (burro rats) and board members who gamed the system to enrich themselves.

You’re not getting it, Cook, it’s these board members who pushed through the sale in order to enrich themselves further (to all appearances, I should say.) I know you’re always a contrarian, but… going through with their plan to spite them? Makes no sense. Rest assured that once the sale is derailed, replacing the (worst) board members is next on the agenda.

I am surprised that Vern is working so hard to save the pocket change of the mov’ers and shak’ers of the Republican party of Orange County.

No, Cook, your pocket change and mine, yours and mine.

By: cook

cook — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:56:25 +0000

Sale the fair, it is the best way to get rid of a parasitic organization of (burro rats) and board members who gamed the system to enrich themselves.

I am surprised that Vern is working so hard to save the pocket change of the mov’ers and shak’ers of the Republican party of Orange County.

The “fair” (30 days of use?) can always move to another location, just like the Indian Pow-Wow did when the parasites over priced the rental charge to them years ago.

If I had a vote in this business, I would vote to stop any bail-out of the current parasitic organization or any local government or any non-tax paying 503 organizations from becoming the next parasite in its place.

Is it not time to stop admiring the prize turd in the bowl and flush it?