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	<title>Comments on: CD48 Watch:  The Great Park is  Beth Krom&#8217;s ATM</title>
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		<title>By: Flowerszzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flowerszzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red-that&#039;s what Audits are for??? Really???  How about just plain &#039;ol honesty and common sense? (I know too much to ask for!) As for your argument that Shea has blocked all progress I call BS on that one.  Shea and Choi seem to be the only members of the Board that are asking for things to be public and calling attention to the underhanded dealings going on.  Kudos to them.

You are right in one aspect though.  The Irvine Voters are quite complacent in their City.  They really don&#039;t care at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red-that&#8217;s what Audits are for??? Really???  How about just plain &#8216;ol honesty and common sense? (I know too much to ask for!) As for your argument that Shea has blocked all progress I call BS on that one.  Shea and Choi seem to be the only members of the Board that are asking for things to be public and calling attention to the underhanded dealings going on.  Kudos to them.</p>
<p>You are right in one aspect though.  The Irvine Voters are quite complacent in their City.  They really don&#8217;t care at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Just in Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just in Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didn&#039;t mean to ---don&#039;t know too much about the Bristol project-- but it is being dragged.

maybe you can tell us a lil more about it since you were on the planning commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didn&#8217;t mean to &#8212;don&#8217;t know too much about the Bristol project&#8211; but it is being dragged.</p>
<p>maybe you can tell us a lil more about it since you were on the planning commission.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean H. Mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean H. Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in Time,

Isn&#039;t it ironic that Agran chose Mayor Miguel Pulido to serve on the &quot;Great Pork&quot; board?  Considering his involvement in the Bristol project he was a natural for the position.

Great analogy by you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in Time,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it ironic that Agran chose Mayor Miguel Pulido to serve on the &#8220;Great Pork&#8221; board?  Considering his involvement in the Bristol project he was a natural for the position.</p>
<p>Great analogy by you.</p>
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		<title>By: Just in Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just in Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean H. Mill says:
December 22, 2009 at 8:48 am

&quot;Red,

I think that you made a correct assessment of what the “Great Pork” really is when you described it as “a community park project”. The longer it remains just a “project” the more money Agran, Krom and company can funnel to their friends, which in turn makes its way back to them in one form or another.

Once the park is actually built there won’t be as much money floating around so they need to drag the “project” out as long as possible in order to keep the cash cow alive and well.&quot;


reminds me of 
the Bristol widening project in Santa Ana, and the tons of contracts put through by the city manager

Vince Sarmiento stated that he would volunteer to go in and review contracts since he is an attorney at one of the council mtgs a few months ago.

This made my admiration for Mr. Sarmiento grow---I wonder if he got a chance to do that.

thanks for this post---</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean H. Mill says:<br />
December 22, 2009 at 8:48 am</p>
<p>&#8220;Red,</p>
<p>I think that you made a correct assessment of what the “Great Pork” really is when you described it as “a community park project”. The longer it remains just a “project” the more money Agran, Krom and company can funnel to their friends, which in turn makes its way back to them in one form or another.</p>
<p>Once the park is actually built there won’t be as much money floating around so they need to drag the “project” out as long as possible in order to keep the cash cow alive and well.&#8221;</p>
<p>reminds me of<br />
the Bristol widening project in Santa Ana, and the tons of contracts put through by the city manager</p>
<p>Vince Sarmiento stated that he would volunteer to go in and review contracts since he is an attorney at one of the council mtgs a few months ago.</p>
<p>This made my admiration for Mr. Sarmiento grow&#8212;I wonder if he got a chance to do that.</p>
<p>thanks for this post&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean H. Mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean H. Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red,

Agran has a majority on the council and the &quot;Great Pork&quot; board.  Shea and Choi are in the minority and have been pretty much shut out of the entire process.  Seeing as how Agran has the numbers on his side, how exactly can you blame Shea and Choi?

Before anyone starts saying I am shilling for the Irvine Reeps let me state I don&#039;t care much for them either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red,</p>
<p>Agran has a majority on the council and the &#8220;Great Pork&#8221; board.  Shea and Choi are in the minority and have been pretty much shut out of the entire process.  Seeing as how Agran has the numbers on his side, how exactly can you blame Shea and Choi?</p>
<p>Before anyone starts saying I am shilling for the Irvine Reeps let me state I don&#8217;t care much for them either.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; The longer it remains just a “project” the more money Agran, Krom and company can funnel to their friends, which in turn makes its way back to them in one form or another.

Once the park is actually built there won’t be as much money floating around so they need to drag the “project” out as long as possible in order to keep the cash cow alive and well.&lt;/i&gt;

Larry and Gang need to send a big old Xmas card to Christina Shea for much of those delays.  She has campaigned for that airport and once it was defeated, she has obstructed every major decision that needed to be made to push the GP along.  There is currently $$65 million in fed grant/stimulus money poised to fund construction projects.  But the stalling tactics continue.  At some point, it will get rolling.    Shea and Choi out of the way would be helpful boost to our local job market and economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> The longer it remains just a “project” the more money Agran, Krom and company can funnel to their friends, which in turn makes its way back to them in one form or another.</p>
<p>Once the park is actually built there won’t be as much money floating around so they need to drag the “project” out as long as possible in order to keep the cash cow alive and well.</i></p>
<p>Larry and Gang need to send a big old Xmas card to Christina Shea for much of those delays.  She has campaigned for that airport and once it was defeated, she has obstructed every major decision that needed to be made to push the GP along.  There is currently $$65 million in fed grant/stimulus money poised to fund construction projects.  But the stalling tactics continue.  At some point, it will get rolling.    Shea and Choi out of the way would be helpful boost to our local job market and economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean H. Mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean H. Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red,

I think that you made a correct assessment of what the &quot;Great Pork&quot; really is when you described it as &quot;a community park project&quot;.  The longer it remains just a &quot;project&quot; the more money Agran, Krom and company can funnel to their friends, which in turn makes its way back to them in one form or another.

Once the park is actually built there won&#039;t be as much money floating around so they need to drag the &quot;project&quot; out as long as possible in order to keep the cash cow alive and well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red,</p>
<p>I think that you made a correct assessment of what the &#8220;Great Pork&#8221; really is when you described it as &#8220;a community park project&#8221;.  The longer it remains just a &#8220;project&#8221; the more money Agran, Krom and company can funnel to their friends, which in turn makes its way back to them in one form or another.</p>
<p>Once the park is actually built there won&#8217;t be as much money floating around so they need to drag the &#8220;project&#8221; out as long as possible in order to keep the cash cow alive and well.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a pollyanna would be shocked that politicians would try and get away with back scratching their friends and associates.  That&#039;s what AUDITS are for.  To stop shenanigans that might be afoot.  

&lt;i&gt; If Agran were a Reep you would be slamming him and his minions too.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, not to worry on that one.  The party of NO! would NEVER set aside open space for a community park project.  That group is much more likely to try and shove an airport down the throats of citizens... oh, wait....

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a pollyanna would be shocked that politicians would try and get away with back scratching their friends and associates.  That&#8217;s what AUDITS are for.  To stop shenanigans that might be afoot.  </p>
<p><i> If Agran were a Reep you would be slamming him and his minions too.</i></p>
<p>Oh, not to worry on that one.  The party of NO! would NEVER set aside open space for a community park project.  That group is much more likely to try and shove an airport down the throats of citizens&#8230; oh, wait&#8230;.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean H. Mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean H. Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There have been no-bid contracts (not good! But have not been prosecuted as crimes)&quot;

Red,

Is that how low you have to set the bar for the Agranista&#039;s?  Krom is just another one of stooges in the Agran cabal.  Campbell is whack but is replacing him with an Agranista the best thing?

I opposed the airport and was in favor of the park but it is clear that this debacle is the &quot;Great Pork&quot; and not the Great Park.  Flowerszzz is right, all it consists of is a stupid balloon and buckets of cash being handed out to consultants and contractors alligned with the Agranista&#039;s.

No criminal charges yet, but definately some shadowy and questionable dealings.  If Agran were a Reep you would be slamming him and his minions too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There have been no-bid contracts (not good! But have not been prosecuted as crimes)&#8221;</p>
<p>Red,</p>
<p>Is that how low you have to set the bar for the Agranista&#8217;s?  Krom is just another one of stooges in the Agran cabal.  Campbell is whack but is replacing him with an Agranista the best thing?</p>
<p>I opposed the airport and was in favor of the park but it is clear that this debacle is the &#8220;Great Pork&#8221; and not the Great Park.  Flowerszzz is right, all it consists of is a stupid balloon and buckets of cash being handed out to consultants and contractors alligned with the Agranista&#8217;s.</p>
<p>No criminal charges yet, but definately some shadowy and questionable dealings.  If Agran were a Reep you would be slamming him and his minions too.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so the Great Park is taking forever, according to opinion.  It&#039;s a waste of money, according to opinion.

There have been no-bid contracts (not good!  But have not been prosecuted as crimes) and it is unclear if that practice is still in place after an AUDIT exposed that problem.

Irvine politicians are well-connected and depend upon donors and supporters to keep getting elected.

The mayors from Irvine have nothing to do with the success of that city, yet the Mayor of Santa Ana is responsible, solely, for the mismanagement of his city.

Anything else?  That IS some exhausting and comprehensive list of &quot;corruption&quot; there.....       &lt; eye. roll  &gt;

Of course I support Beth Krom over John Campbell.  I generally support progressives over GOP birthers, any day.

Irvine Reporter is free to do what he/she wants.  Clearly being aligned with the council minority will curry favor with some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so the Great Park is taking forever, according to opinion.  It&#8217;s a waste of money, according to opinion.</p>
<p>There have been no-bid contracts (not good!  But have not been prosecuted as crimes) and it is unclear if that practice is still in place after an AUDIT exposed that problem.</p>
<p>Irvine politicians are well-connected and depend upon donors and supporters to keep getting elected.</p>
<p>The mayors from Irvine have nothing to do with the success of that city, yet the Mayor of Santa Ana is responsible, solely, for the mismanagement of his city.</p>
<p>Anything else?  That IS some exhausting and comprehensive list of &#8220;corruption&#8221; there&#8230;..       < eye. roll  ></p>
<p>Of course I support Beth Krom over John Campbell.  I generally support progressives over GOP birthers, any day.</p>
<p>Irvine Reporter is free to do what he/she wants.  Clearly being aligned with the council minority will curry favor with some people.</p>
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		<title>By: Flowerszzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flowerszzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Red- so it has been almost 8 years then.  Pretty close to a decade.  What is there exactly?  An Orange balloon that goes up 100 feet so we can all see what has not been done in 8 years.  They have not even started environment cleanups, torn out runways....NOTHING.  How long does it take to build a park anyway?  How many millions of dollars need to be spent?  How much money does it cost to get some grass seed thrown down?  Chalk out some lines for a baseball or soccer field?  How much money has been WASTED on VERY expensive huge mailers, that always come out a season late to tell us what &quot;is&quot; (nt) happening out there?  The whole park is corrupt...period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Red- so it has been almost 8 years then.  Pretty close to a decade.  What is there exactly?  An Orange balloon that goes up 100 feet so we can all see what has not been done in 8 years.  They have not even started environment cleanups, torn out runways&#8230;.NOTHING.  How long does it take to build a park anyway?  How many millions of dollars need to be spent?  How much money does it cost to get some grass seed thrown down?  Chalk out some lines for a baseball or soccer field?  How much money has been WASTED on VERY expensive huge mailers, that always come out a season late to tell us what &#8220;is&#8221; (nt) happening out there?  The whole park is corrupt&#8230;period.</p>
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		<title>By: F. Lee Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. Lee Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Vixen has asked for Irvine Reporter to disclose that he is running for city council. Well, fair is fair, and you should disclose who you are and if you have any interest in Beth Krom&#039;s race. So do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Vixen has asked for Irvine Reporter to disclose that he is running for city council. Well, fair is fair, and you should disclose who you are and if you have any interest in Beth Krom&#8217;s race. So do you?</p>
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