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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/11/suffering-the-consequences-of-war/comment-page-1/#comment-111470</link>
		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only that, but &lt;i&gt;I guess you would need a jury of 12 men and women to witness them killing then hanging four Americans on that bridge in Fallujah, Iraq to find them guilty.&lt;/i&gt;

Wha....?  Is that what Larry remembers as the provocation that led Bush to invade Iraq?  Jesus Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only that, but <i>I guess you would need a jury of 12 men and women to witness them killing then hanging four Americans on that bridge in Fallujah, Iraq to find them guilty.</i></p>
<p>Wha&#8230;.?  Is that what Larry remembers as the provocation that led Bush to invade Iraq?  Jesus Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: anonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 Larry,

What an ASS you are! Questioning my support of veterans because I dare to speak the truth about the war in Iraq and YOUR man Bush JR. (yeah, it is ALL HIS FAULT). Iraq was and is a bullshit war that had NOTHING to do with freedom, ours or the Iraqi&#039;s, and EVERYTHING to do with OIL and GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.
 YOU are the one who DOESN&#039;T SUPPORT OUR MILITARY, I can&#039;t imagine ANYONE who claims to value veterans and their service sticking up for GEORGE W BUSH&#039;S LIES. LIES that resulted in the DEATHS of over 4,000 Americans and a TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT and that is NOT even mentioning the HORRORS we have visited on the people of Iraq and all for MONEY! 
You are just an ignorant tool who has confused warmongering with patriotism.

Oh, and by the way, I visited my VETERAN uncle last week, Pearl Harbor Survivor/POW (Battle of the Bulge) and he thinks Bush and Cheney should be tried for WAR CRIMES too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 Larry,</p>
<p>What an ASS you are! Questioning my support of veterans because I dare to speak the truth about the war in Iraq and YOUR man Bush JR. (yeah, it is ALL HIS FAULT). Iraq was and is a bullshit war that had NOTHING to do with freedom, ours or the Iraqi&#8217;s, and EVERYTHING to do with OIL and GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.<br />
 YOU are the one who DOESN&#8217;T SUPPORT OUR MILITARY, I can&#8217;t imagine ANYONE who claims to value veterans and their service sticking up for GEORGE W BUSH&#8217;S LIES. LIES that resulted in the DEATHS of over 4,000 Americans and a TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT and that is NOT even mentioning the HORRORS we have visited on the people of Iraq and all for MONEY!<br />
You are just an ignorant tool who has confused warmongering with patriotism.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, I visited my VETERAN uncle last week, Pearl Harbor Survivor/POW (Battle of the Bulge) and he thinks Bush and Cheney should be tried for WAR CRIMES too.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonster. I guess you would need a jury of 12 men and women to witness them killing then hanging four Americans on that bridge in Fallujah, Iraq to find them guilty. 
You  are just what the doctor ordered. We need more dove&#039;s in America like you. 
I bet you didn&#039;t attend any Veterans Day ceremonies last week to thank those who put their lives on the line so that you can enjoy the freedom to attack those of us who support our military, past and present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonster. I guess you would need a jury of 12 men and women to witness them killing then hanging four Americans on that bridge in Fallujah, Iraq to find them guilty.<br />
You  are just what the doctor ordered. We need more dove&#8217;s in America like you.<br />
I bet you didn&#8217;t attend any Veterans Day ceremonies last week to thank those who put their lives on the line so that you can enjoy the freedom to attack those of us who support our military, past and present.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can not fight a gorllia war. The British learned this fighting the IRA. If your enemy wears the cloths of civilians, it is impossible to know friend from foe. 

I don&#039;t believe we should have went into Iraq. I think we should have banned all travel from the enemy countries to the US. All assets from the enemy counties in the US should have been seized. And all muslims profiled up the ying yang in this country and through out Europe. 

I bet terrorists in the enemy countries would then have been grass! 

Good lives should not be losed to save face!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can not fight a gorllia war. The British learned this fighting the IRA. If your enemy wears the cloths of civilians, it is impossible to know friend from foe. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe we should have went into Iraq. I think we should have banned all travel from the enemy countries to the US. All assets from the enemy counties in the US should have been seized. And all muslims profiled up the ying yang in this country and through out Europe. </p>
<p>I bet terrorists in the enemy countries would then have been grass! </p>
<p>Good lives should not be losed to save face!</p>
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		<title>By: anonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Larry, 

&quot;They would demand evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt, and even when it was incontrovertible, &quot;

Let&#039;s hope so, the Iraq DEBACLE is what happens when you shoot first and put &quot;proof&quot; second!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Larry, </p>
<p>&#8220;They would demand evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt, and even when it was incontrovertible, &#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope so, the Iraq DEBACLE is what happens when you shoot first and put &#8220;proof&#8221; second!</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RV #13:  Nice jujitsu Red.  We both know that&#039;s not where Cook is coming from, but it should be.

I hope folks notice that I TRY not to bring up Bush &amp; Cheney, and blame everything on them, even though we all know how we got into the dire straits we&#039;re in.  More interested in what we do now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RV #13:  Nice jujitsu Red.  We both know that&#8217;s not where Cook is coming from, but it should be.</p>
<p>I hope folks notice that I TRY not to bring up Bush &#038; Cheney, and blame everything on them, even though we all know how we got into the dire straits we&#8217;re in.  More interested in what we do now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grate one,

Please have your mommy proof read your posts before you hit submit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grate one,</p>
<p>Please have your mommy proof read your posts before you hit submit!</p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sounds like the poster’s are ready to “go to war” over who is at fault. &lt;/i&gt;

Good call, Cook.  They drag out some dusty battles as an excuse substituted as &quot;debate&quot;.  Obviously these chickenhawk cheerleaders have NO skin in the game at all.  If they had an ounce of humanity, they would have looked at the video and stuck to the points of concern that our brave young men and women have to deal with.

They don&#039;t give a crap about our troops.  They never will.  Yet, they are the first to wave a flag and then deny critical services and assistance to our troops.  Thank god, their supreme &quot;war president&quot; leader is out of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sounds like the poster’s are ready to “go to war” over who is at fault. </i></p>
<p>Good call, Cook.  They drag out some dusty battles as an excuse substituted as &#8220;debate&#8221;.  Obviously these chickenhawk cheerleaders have NO skin in the game at all.  If they had an ounce of humanity, they would have looked at the video and stuck to the points of concern that our brave young men and women have to deal with.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t give a crap about our troops.  They never will.  Yet, they are the first to wave a flag and then deny critical services and assistance to our troops.  Thank god, their supreme &#8220;war president&#8221; leader is out of power.</p>
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		<title>By: cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the poster&#039;s are ready to &quot;go to war&quot; over who is at fault.

It is the US Congress’s fault.

They are the responsible organization.

They should have DECLARED WAR and authorized unrestricted warfare just like in WWII.   

The other side is fighting an unrestricted war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the poster&#8217;s are ready to &#8220;go to war&#8221; over who is at fault.</p>
<p>It is the US Congress’s fault.</p>
<p>They are the responsible organization.</p>
<p>They should have DECLARED WAR and authorized unrestricted warfare just like in WWII.   </p>
<p>The other side is fighting an unrestricted war.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red. Disservice? You have really gone off the reservation on that comment.
As we each have rear view mirrors perhaps you should look back at president Bill Clinton who was too busy playing golf with Vernon Jordan when he refused to take a vital call which resulted in a mission being called off. Let me suggest that you go to your local library and take out or purchase &quot;Dereliction of Duty&quot; (and War Crimes) by USAF Lt. Col. &quot;Buzz&quot; Patterson whom we interviewed on the Cutting Edge. &quot;Buzz&quot; is a former military aid who carried the &quot;nuclear football&quot; for President Clinton.
A few hooks to get your attention. Read the book and you will learn &quot;how president Clinton lost the nuclear codes and never found them; how Bill Clinton kept American pilots in the air waiting for the go ahead to strike Iraq--while he played golf. Result: mission scrapped and how President Clinton remained &quot;unavailable&quot; and missed a golden opportunity to take out Osama bin Laden long before Sept 11, 2001.&quot;

To  back up Buzz&#039;s claims you might also read another author whom we also interviewed on the Cutting Edge a few years ago. Gary Berntsen, the CIA&#039;s key field commander, recipient of the Distinguished Intelligence and Intelligence Star medals, covers his Afghanistan tracking of bin Laden in his CIA heavily redacted book &quot;Jawbreaker&quot; where he covers the attacks on US Embassies during the Clinton Administration to his teams efforts to get Osama in Afghanistan.
Pgs 67 &amp; 68 read in part that &quot;in 1994 the Saudi Arabian government stripped him (bin Laden) of his citizenry and forced him to leave. After a two year stop in Sudan, he returned to Afghanistan and teamed up with Egyptian militant Ayman al-Zawahiri to plan for war. In 1998 the two men co-signed a &quot;fatwa&quot;. .. declaring: &quot;The ruling is to kill Americans and their allies, civilians and military.&quot;  Reading further Gary reports that &quot;by the year 2000, al Qaeda had established terrorist cells in as many as 60 countries around the world, and had attracted thousands of young jihadists to its terrorist training camps and bases in eastern Afghanistan.&quot;
Gary goes on to describe the aftermath of the USS Cole bombing and a Special Agent of the FBI leading the investigation. He than writes that &lt;strong&gt;&quot;the problem would be the response. President Clinton and his advisors would repeat  a pattern  that started with the 1996 Khobar Towers attack in Saudi Arabia that left 19 USAF personnel dead. They would demand evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt, and even when it was incontrovertible, responded weakly or not at all. What they needed to do was launch an immediate US Special Operations raid into Afghanistan to destroy bin Laden and his chief lieutenants.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Red. Before throwing rocks at president Bush you might spend some time getting the facts behind the events leading up to our situation in Afghanistan today.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red. Disservice? You have really gone off the reservation on that comment.<br />
As we each have rear view mirrors perhaps you should look back at president Bill Clinton who was too busy playing golf with Vernon Jordan when he refused to take a vital call which resulted in a mission being called off. Let me suggest that you go to your local library and take out or purchase &#8220;Dereliction of Duty&#8221; (and War Crimes) by USAF Lt. Col. &#8220;Buzz&#8221; Patterson whom we interviewed on the Cutting Edge. &#8220;Buzz&#8221; is a former military aid who carried the &#8220;nuclear football&#8221; for President Clinton.<br />
A few hooks to get your attention. Read the book and you will learn &#8220;how president Clinton lost the nuclear codes and never found them; how Bill Clinton kept American pilots in the air waiting for the go ahead to strike Iraq&#8211;while he played golf. Result: mission scrapped and how President Clinton remained &#8220;unavailable&#8221; and missed a golden opportunity to take out Osama bin Laden long before Sept 11, 2001.&#8221;</p>
<p>To  back up Buzz&#8217;s claims you might also read another author whom we also interviewed on the Cutting Edge a few years ago. Gary Berntsen, the CIA&#8217;s key field commander, recipient of the Distinguished Intelligence and Intelligence Star medals, covers his Afghanistan tracking of bin Laden in his CIA heavily redacted book &#8220;Jawbreaker&#8221; where he covers the attacks on US Embassies during the Clinton Administration to his teams efforts to get Osama in Afghanistan.<br />
Pgs 67 &amp; 68 read in part that &#8220;in 1994 the Saudi Arabian government stripped him (bin Laden) of his citizenry and forced him to leave. After a two year stop in Sudan, he returned to Afghanistan and teamed up with Egyptian militant Ayman al-Zawahiri to plan for war. In 1998 the two men co-signed a &#8220;fatwa&#8221;. .. declaring: &#8220;The ruling is to kill Americans and their allies, civilians and military.&#8221;  Reading further Gary reports that &#8220;by the year 2000, al Qaeda had established terrorist cells in as many as 60 countries around the world, and had attracted thousands of young jihadists to its terrorist training camps and bases in eastern Afghanistan.&#8221;<br />
Gary goes on to describe the aftermath of the USS Cole bombing and a Special Agent of the FBI leading the investigation. He than writes that <strong>&#8220;the problem would be the response. President Clinton and his advisors would repeat  a pattern  that started with the 1996 Khobar Towers attack in Saudi Arabia that left 19 USAF personnel dead. They would demand evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt, and even when it was incontrovertible, responded weakly or not at all. What they needed to do was launch an immediate US Special Operations raid into Afghanistan to destroy bin Laden and his chief lieutenants.&#8221;</strong><br />
<em><strong>Red. Before throwing rocks at president Bush you might spend some time getting the facts behind the events leading up to our situation in Afghanistan today.</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: the great one</title>
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		<dc:creator>the great one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love clowns like anmonster blame bush for everything . will you blame nobama when he brings this country down . no you will blame bush and the right wing media haaaaaaaaaa wich ones msnbc haaaaaaaaa cbs , abc , nbc , the ny times , l.a times , last night on palins book tour your station msnbc was saying things like  its only a all white crowd like that was some kind of penalty . could you think of if they said it was a all black crowd at a denzell or al sharpton book signing . the far right media haaaa what a joke.. take off the i hate america seeing glasses .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love clowns like anmonster blame bush for everything . will you blame nobama when he brings this country down . no you will blame bush and the right wing media haaaaaaaaaa wich ones msnbc haaaaaaaaa cbs , abc , nbc , the ny times , l.a times , last night on palins book tour your station msnbc was saying things like  its only a all white crowd like that was some kind of penalty . could you think of if they said it was a all black crowd at a denzell or al sharpton book signing . the far right media haaaa what a joke.. take off the i hate america seeing glasses .</p>
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		<title>By: anonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 Red,

Obama inherited a quagmire and political quicksand, he had hoped to turn security over to the Karzai govt. but the elections over the summer have made it clear that that will never happen. The right thing to do is drawdown and leave, unfortunately that will be portrayed by the &quot;always wrong warmongers&quot; as &quot;surrendering&quot; and that leaves Obama with a very unpalatable choice. We can only hope that he has the fortitude to stand-up to the chicken hawks and our crazy right-wing media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 Red,</p>
<p>Obama inherited a quagmire and political quicksand, he had hoped to turn security over to the Karzai govt. but the elections over the summer have made it clear that that will never happen. The right thing to do is drawdown and leave, unfortunately that will be portrayed by the &#8220;always wrong warmongers&#8221; as &#8220;surrendering&#8221; and that leaves Obama with a very unpalatable choice. We can only hope that he has the fortitude to stand-up to the chicken hawks and our crazy right-wing media.</p>
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