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		<title>By: Gilbert  Loves to Waste Taxes!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert  Loves to Waste Taxes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, again Larry – why are you so indifferent to 83% of MV tax dollars being siphoned off to other cities?
I am tired of the Johnny Come Lately types like you showing up in MV and claiming to be concerned for us.  
So why won&#039;t you answer the question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, again Larry – why are you so indifferent to 83% of MV tax dollars being siphoned off to other cities?<br />
I am tired of the Johnny Come Lately types like you showing up in MV and claiming to be concerned for us.<br />
So why won&#8217;t you answer the question?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilbert Loves to Waste Taxes!
Question for the genius. How long has Mission Viejo&#039;s being an  education  &quot;donor city,&quot; as alleged in your remarks, been a concern of yours? This is the first time we have heard from you. Did this abuse of Mission Viejo tax dollars happen overnight?
Somehow Mr Rip Van Winkle you have surfaced from under a rock and think that the city has the power and authority to trump the school district. Wrong assumption!
Win the bet?  We are a &quot;donor city&quot; to both SAC and Washington, DC. That&#039;s the benefit of living in southern CA. That&#039;s life in this city.
Having been involved in our city politics since cityhood I do not recall meeting anyone named &quot;Gilbert Loves to Waste Taxes&quot; It must be very unsettling for you being in the minority when less than 4% of the voters contacted by Adam Probolsky agree with you.
 
My issues with Adam&#039;s polling relates to the timing and omission of questions. I assume that the percentages in his report, which I have quoted above,  are correct. If he changes them I will alter the data.
Don&#039;t cop out  now. Weren&#039;t you warned? Didn&#039;t you read our fine print before entering the fray? You have entered the Juice arena where, at the end of the post, only one man or one woman will remain standing as we take no prisoners. 
Don&#039;t wimp out on us now. The volunteers in the MacLean recall gathered almost 14,000 signatures. As you are so passionate on this budgetary issue let me suggest that you find at least one other person who agrees with your argument and start gathering recall petition signatures.
We did it to remove governor Davis which required considerably more than 20,000 petition signatures.
Do all of us a favor and read your boasting of all the PhDs you have. [&quot; Btwn us, we have 2 PhDs, 1 Masters, 1 Lawyer, and 1 Engineer.&quot;] My only point in mentioning MVHS, which is in the SVUSD, was that our children attended and graduated from that school which confirms my having  had direct experience with the school district at the center of the current debate.  I did not brag about any of our children&#039;s or my personal higher education achievements. 

The good news is that am not hiding my identity and am here for the duration. You can check out at any time and we will never know who you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilbert Loves to Waste Taxes!<br />
Question for the genius. How long has Mission Viejo&#8217;s being an  education  &#8220;donor city,&#8221; as alleged in your remarks, been a concern of yours? This is the first time we have heard from you. Did this abuse of Mission Viejo tax dollars happen overnight?<br />
Somehow Mr Rip Van Winkle you have surfaced from under a rock and think that the city has the power and authority to trump the school district. Wrong assumption!<br />
Win the bet?  We are a &#8220;donor city&#8221; to both SAC and Washington, DC. That&#8217;s the benefit of living in southern CA. That&#8217;s life in this city.<br />
Having been involved in our city politics since cityhood I do not recall meeting anyone named &#8220;Gilbert Loves to Waste Taxes&#8221; It must be very unsettling for you being in the minority when less than 4% of the voters contacted by Adam Probolsky agree with you.</p>
<p>My issues with Adam&#8217;s polling relates to the timing and omission of questions. I assume that the percentages in his report, which I have quoted above,  are correct. If he changes them I will alter the data.<br />
Don&#8217;t cop out  now. Weren&#8217;t you warned? Didn&#8217;t you read our fine print before entering the fray? You have entered the Juice arena where, at the end of the post, only one man or one woman will remain standing as we take no prisoners.<br />
Don&#8217;t wimp out on us now. The volunteers in the MacLean recall gathered almost 14,000 signatures. As you are so passionate on this budgetary issue let me suggest that you find at least one other person who agrees with your argument and start gathering recall petition signatures.<br />
We did it to remove governor Davis which required considerably more than 20,000 petition signatures.<br />
Do all of us a favor and read your boasting of all the PhDs you have. [" Btwn us, we have 2 PhDs, 1 Masters, 1 Lawyer, and 1 Engineer."] My only point in mentioning MVHS, which is in the SVUSD, was that our children attended and graduated from that school which confirms my having  had direct experience with the school district at the center of the current debate.  I did not brag about any of our children&#8217;s or my personal higher education achievements. </p>
<p>The good news is that am not hiding my identity and am here for the duration. You can check out at any time and we will never know who you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert  Loves to Waste Taxes!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert  Loves to Waste Taxes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Larry - You still won&#039;t answer the question - why are you so indifferent to 83% of MV tax dollars being siphoned off to other cities?  I win the bet!

First you are against the poll, and now you are for it??

Answer, Larry, answer.  Why do you want 83% of MV student funds flowing out of the city??

As far as degrees go, you were the one that brought up his 3 &quot;alleged&quot; kids went thru MVHS (having met your wife, who is a gracious class act, I find it hard to believe she would consent to intimacy with you.)  My point was to show you what SVUSD was once capable of, and how how much it has deteriorated since then.

We need a City of MV Unified School District.  A recall like you &quot;tax and spend types&quot; advocate against SVUSD is unrealistic - there are approximately  110,000 registered voters in SVUSD, spread over several cities.  So to meet the threshold, we would need 20,000 votes for a recall.  Then we have to win - and why would Lake Forest or Foothill Ranch or Laguna Hills vote for something that benefits MV, and we keep our money, while Fish rains $$$ upon them?  And then we are still stuck with your boyfriend Fish at SVUSD.  It is in MV&#039;s interest to dump SVUSD all together, take their schools, and get the student funding.

So, again Larry - why are you so indifferent to 83% of MV tax dollars being siphoned off to other cities? 
Or are you so full of hatred and venom for our current CC  that you won&#039;t admit you are wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Larry &#8211; You still won&#8217;t answer the question &#8211; why are you so indifferent to 83% of MV tax dollars being siphoned off to other cities?  I win the bet!</p>
<p>First you are against the poll, and now you are for it??</p>
<p>Answer, Larry, answer.  Why do you want 83% of MV student funds flowing out of the city??</p>
<p>As far as degrees go, you were the one that brought up his 3 &#8220;alleged&#8221; kids went thru MVHS (having met your wife, who is a gracious class act, I find it hard to believe she would consent to intimacy with you.)  My point was to show you what SVUSD was once capable of, and how how much it has deteriorated since then.</p>
<p>We need a City of MV Unified School District.  A recall like you &#8220;tax and spend types&#8221; advocate against SVUSD is unrealistic &#8211; there are approximately  110,000 registered voters in SVUSD, spread over several cities.  So to meet the threshold, we would need 20,000 votes for a recall.  Then we have to win &#8211; and why would Lake Forest or Foothill Ranch or Laguna Hills vote for something that benefits MV, and we keep our money, while Fish rains $$$ upon them?  And then we are still stuck with your boyfriend Fish at SVUSD.  It is in MV&#8217;s interest to dump SVUSD all together, take their schools, and get the student funding.</p>
<p>So, again Larry &#8211; why are you so indifferent to 83% of MV tax dollars being siphoned off to other cities?<br />
Or are you so full of hatred and venom for our current CC  that you won&#8217;t admit you are wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/10/should-the-city-of-mission-viejo-create-its-own-school-district/comment-page-1/#comment-109733</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilbert Loves to Waste Taxes
Mr. know it all. The city council is a separate elected body and has &quot;no control&quot; over the actions taken or curriculum established by either of our school districts.
If you have been so unhappy with their actions, and the alleged decline in student performance, simply follow what is happening with councilman Lance MacLean and begin a recall of the SVUSD Board of Trustees.
Take note that the city bought and paid for Probolsky Research survey confirmed that 24.9% of those polled on their opinion of the district said that they found SVUSD to be very favorable. Another 34.8% felt that they were somewhat favorable of the district while only 3.7% said very unfavorable. 5.2% responded somewhat unfavorable. Hopefully you were one of the residents contacted. In any event, based on your comments you fall into the group of 3.7%. Not exactly a mandate for CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS: I am not really impressed with how many framed degrees you have hanging on your office wall in terms of this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilbert Loves to Waste Taxes<br />
Mr. know it all. The city council is a separate elected body and has &#8220;no control&#8221; over the actions taken or curriculum established by either of our school districts.<br />
If you have been so unhappy with their actions, and the alleged decline in student performance, simply follow what is happening with councilman Lance MacLean and begin a recall of the SVUSD Board of Trustees.<br />
Take note that the city bought and paid for Probolsky Research survey confirmed that 24.9% of those polled on their opinion of the district said that they found SVUSD to be very favorable. Another 34.8% felt that they were somewhat favorable of the district while only 3.7% said very unfavorable. 5.2% responded somewhat unfavorable. Hopefully you were one of the residents contacted. In any event, based on your comments you fall into the group of 3.7%. Not exactly a mandate for CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
PS: I am not really impressed with how many framed degrees you have hanging on your office wall in terms of this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert  Loves to Waste Taxes!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert  Loves to Waste Taxes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very clever Larry.  When faced with facts, you quote cartoons.
In answer to your question, both MV and the parents were blind sided by Fish/Atkins/SVUSD withholding of information about school closures until the years end.  After elections.  And when they did not get the desired answer, the re-did the vote after violating the Brown Act.  The MV survey didn&#039;t ask about school issues - it was before Fish&#039;s illegal acts.  I can give you a detailed time line if you desire.

You&#039;re 3 kids went to SVUSD and you are happy?  BFD.  It was before the Fish/Atkins regime of malfeasance and incompetence.  My wife, her 2 brothers, my brother, and I all graduated from MVHS.  Btwn us, we have 2 PhDs, 1 Masters, 1 Lawyer, and 1 Engineer.  I know what quality SVUSD used to produce, and this current group is far from that.

You claim your &quot;article&quot; was about a push poll???  Obviously you can&#039;t read your own BS.  You spent half the article bagging on Ury and the strings follow that.  Who cares if Ury went to private school?   Who cares if his kids do? I would to if faced with SVUSD.  Are you one those embittered Obama types b/c YOU couldn&#039;t hack it?  What I care about from our Mayor and CC is what we can do to improve our local community.  You claim to be a fiscal conservative, meanwhile you want us to pay for your own recall, while speculating that a MVUSD is nothing more then a politicians get back.  JFC.

So I ask you again.  And focus really hard on this.  Why do you turn your back of SVUSD&#039;s blatant theft of 83% of Mission Viejo student funding for other cities?  I am sure if the CC did this, you&#039;d be thoroughly apoplectic.  

So lay off the cartoons, no more &quot;Voltron,&quot;  and THINK.

And write a real, coherent answer.  Bet that you will not.

Nice Mickey Mouse Hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very clever Larry.  When faced with facts, you quote cartoons.<br />
In answer to your question, both MV and the parents were blind sided by Fish/Atkins/SVUSD withholding of information about school closures until the years end.  After elections.  And when they did not get the desired answer, the re-did the vote after violating the Brown Act.  The MV survey didn&#8217;t ask about school issues &#8211; it was before Fish&#8217;s illegal acts.  I can give you a detailed time line if you desire.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re 3 kids went to SVUSD and you are happy?  BFD.  It was before the Fish/Atkins regime of malfeasance and incompetence.  My wife, her 2 brothers, my brother, and I all graduated from MVHS.  Btwn us, we have 2 PhDs, 1 Masters, 1 Lawyer, and 1 Engineer.  I know what quality SVUSD used to produce, and this current group is far from that.</p>
<p>You claim your &#8220;article&#8221; was about a push poll???  Obviously you can&#8217;t read your own BS.  You spent half the article bagging on Ury and the strings follow that.  Who cares if Ury went to private school?   Who cares if his kids do? I would to if faced with SVUSD.  Are you one those embittered Obama types b/c YOU couldn&#8217;t hack it?  What I care about from our Mayor and CC is what we can do to improve our local community.  You claim to be a fiscal conservative, meanwhile you want us to pay for your own recall, while speculating that a MVUSD is nothing more then a politicians get back.  JFC.</p>
<p>So I ask you again.  And focus really hard on this.  Why do you turn your back of SVUSD&#8217;s blatant theft of 83% of Mission Viejo student funding for other cities?  I am sure if the CC did this, you&#8217;d be thoroughly apoplectic.  </p>
<p>So lay off the cartoons, no more &#8220;Voltron,&#8221;  and THINK.</p>
<p>And write a real, coherent answer.  Bet that you will not.</p>
<p>Nice Mickey Mouse Hat.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/10/should-the-city-of-mission-viejo-create-its-own-school-district/comment-page-1/#comment-109555</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilbert Loves to Waste Taxes!
Folks. There are times when I may sit on a reference document for years with the thought of springing it at the appropriate time. This writer has just provided that opening. Last week we went to a Disney employee sale at their warehouse in Anaheim where I picked up a baseball cap that I have yet to wear.

It reads. &lt;strong&gt;&quot;I&#039;m GRUMPY because you are DOPEY!&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;
This story is not about the education of our children. It&#039;s about a &quot;push&quot; poll that was full of holes. Three of our children were educated in the SVUSD and graduated from MVHS.
If the city council had a  concern about our school districts, and spent over $20,000 conducting another resident &quot;opinion survey&quot; by True North one year ago, why did they fail to include questions about this topic at that time??????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilbert Loves to Waste Taxes!<br />
Folks. There are times when I may sit on a reference document for years with the thought of springing it at the appropriate time. This writer has just provided that opening. Last week we went to a Disney employee sale at their warehouse in Anaheim where I picked up a baseball cap that I have yet to wear.</p>
<p>It reads. <strong>&#8220;I&#8217;m GRUMPY because you are DOPEY!&#8221;</strong><br />
This story is not about the education of our children. It&#8217;s about a &#8220;push&#8221; poll that was full of holes. Three of our children were educated in the SVUSD and graduated from MVHS.<br />
If the city council had a  concern about our school districts, and spent over $20,000 conducting another resident &#8220;opinion survey&#8221; by True North one year ago, why did they fail to include questions about this topic at that time??????????????</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert  Loves to Waste Taxes!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert  Loves to Waste Taxes!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SVUSD spends 83% of MV tax dollars outside of the City of MV.  How do you justify that?  If we are going to get attendance funds THEY SHOULD STAY IN MV!!  

Worry less about the City Council, and more about us getting screwed by Fish, Atkins, and SVUSD.

Think! - we are getting lower quality education, massive cuts in programs, Fish lies and denies, they violate the Brown Act, Zoning laws, Traffic Laws, and Fish imports a bunch of thugs from Foothill into MV that we should supplement their La Cross and their Smart Boards.  For some one who claims to be pro-MV, why do you settle for a 3rd rate education mismanaged by SVUSD, decreasing home values that it will bring, lowering the attractiveness of MV to families, when we can have a pro family community?

Or are you just a grump?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SVUSD spends 83% of MV tax dollars outside of the City of MV.  How do you justify that?  If we are going to get attendance funds THEY SHOULD STAY IN MV!!  </p>
<p>Worry less about the City Council, and more about us getting screwed by Fish, Atkins, and SVUSD.</p>
<p>Think! &#8211; we are getting lower quality education, massive cuts in programs, Fish lies and denies, they violate the Brown Act, Zoning laws, Traffic Laws, and Fish imports a bunch of thugs from Foothill into MV that we should supplement their La Cross and their Smart Boards.  For some one who claims to be pro-MV, why do you settle for a 3rd rate education mismanaged by SVUSD, decreasing home values that it will bring, lowering the attractiveness of MV to families, when we can have a pro family community?</p>
<p>Or are you just a grump?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/10/should-the-city-of-mission-viejo-create-its-own-school-district/comment-page-1/#comment-108995</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food for thought.
Is Mayor Ury trying to get back at the teachers union for shooting down his reelection to the SVUSD Board by forming a Mission Viejo School District with non-union teachers?  Hmmm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food for thought.<br />
Is Mayor Ury trying to get back at the teachers union for shooting down his reelection to the SVUSD Board by forming a Mission Viejo School District with non-union teachers?  Hmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/10/should-the-city-of-mission-viejo-create-its-own-school-district/comment-page-1/#comment-108994</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the closing comment in an email to me from a former elected official opposing this idea that says it all.

&quot;P.S. Half this C.C. are jerks!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the closing comment in an email to me from a former elected official opposing this idea that says it all.</p>
<p>&#8220;P.S. Half this C.C. are jerks!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Nicolosi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Nicolosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Using your logic we should have our own congressman.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a bit of a straw man argument, don&#039;t you think, Larry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Using your logic we should have our own congressman.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a bit of a straw man argument, don&#8217;t you think, Larry?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/10/should-the-city-of-mission-viejo-create-its-own-school-district/comment-page-1/#comment-108851</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Painful Uru Nation.
Well stated. We don&#039;t need to look back decades for a solution if a problem exists. Simply look at the recall in our other school district, CVUSD.

If you are not satifsfied with actions taken by your elected School Board Trustees you can throw them out of office with a recall or simply wait until the next election.
What Mr Ury is stirring up has more impact to the results than anyone comprehends.
Again I need to point out that none of his children attend public K-12 schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Painful Uru Nation.<br />
Well stated. We don&#8217;t need to look back decades for a solution if a problem exists. Simply look at the recall in our other school district, CVUSD.</p>
<p>If you are not satifsfied with actions taken by your elected School Board Trustees you can throw them out of office with a recall or simply wait until the next election.<br />
What Mr Ury is stirring up has more impact to the results than anyone comprehends.<br />
Again I need to point out that none of his children attend public K-12 schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Painful Ury-nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Painful Ury-nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who have been looped in to Ury&#039;s spitting contest with SVUSD should look up occasionally to see where it&#039;s going. It is up to the two school districts (not a group of MV constituents) to decide about dividing into smaller agencies. They would have to give up their student populations, tax base -- their revenue streams -- as well as their power. While it&#039;s hypothetically possible, what are the chances? Instead of wasting energy contributing to Frank Ury&#039;s political ploy, why not look for real solutions? Dissatisfied constituents should run for school board or back someone they know and trust who will represent their interests on the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who have been looped in to Ury&#8217;s spitting contest with SVUSD should look up occasionally to see where it&#8217;s going. It is up to the two school districts (not a group of MV constituents) to decide about dividing into smaller agencies. They would have to give up their student populations, tax base &#8212; their revenue streams &#8212; as well as their power. While it&#8217;s hypothetically possible, what are the chances? Instead of wasting energy contributing to Frank Ury&#8217;s political ploy, why not look for real solutions? Dissatisfied constituents should run for school board or back someone they know and trust who will represent their interests on the board.</p>
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