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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Terry Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama: &quot;In 5 days we will fundamentally transform America&quot;. 

Transform is not improve. Look it up. Google it. Pull down the dictionary. Leftists never meant improve. Transform.

And the only thing that is a work in progress is the collectivist impulse in this country that constantly leads to disaster. Hopefully, progressives will make improvements on themselves and make progress in that. Then we will all be better off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama: &#8220;In 5 days we will fundamentally transform America&#8221;. </p>
<p>Transform is not improve. Look it up. Google it. Pull down the dictionary. Leftists never meant improve. Transform.</p>
<p>And the only thing that is a work in progress is the collectivist impulse in this country that constantly leads to disaster. Hopefully, progressives will make improvements on themselves and make progress in that. Then we will all be better off.</p>
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		<title>By: anonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 Vern,
 Thanks for explaining Terry&#039;s &quot;metaphor&quot;, I thought it was some sort of &quot;insider&quot; comment. I do believe you can admire and still want to improve someone or something, and as my spouse always says &quot;these tips are for free&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 Vern,<br />
 Thanks for explaining Terry&#8217;s &#8220;metaphor&#8221;, I thought it was some sort of &#8220;insider&#8221; comment. I do believe you can admire and still want to improve someone or something, and as my spouse always says &#8220;these tips are for free&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/10/false-facts-coffee-filters-and-composte/comment-page-1/#comment-109541</link>
		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, now I get it!  &lt;i&gt;Are you married? If you are, and you want to “transform” your spouse, can you honestly say you admire them as they are?&lt;/i&gt;

That is supposed to be a trenchant metaphor to prove that progressives don&#039;t love America.  There are so many ways this parallel doesn&#039;t hold up, Terry.  For one thing, America is not a spouse that we married, but ... well, many other things, but not a beloved person.  One thing that America is, which makes it different from other countries one might have been born into, is a Democratic work in progress.  We progressives believe that we show our love for America by trying to help improve it;  I think most &quot;conservatives&quot; might say the same as well.  &quot;Transform&quot; is a somewhat lofty verb, I think most of us would just say &quot;improve a little.&quot;  Leave our beloved country just a little better off, like our admired predecessors did, from Jefferson to Lincoln to FDR to MLK.

And just to sink back down into your original metaphor, well, &quot;transform,&quot; &quot;admire,&quot; and &quot;as they are&quot; are strange word choices, but you can certainly care about and love a person while encouraging them and helping them to change some things about themselves.

Or is that crazed carpet-chewer thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, now I get it!  <i>Are you married? If you are, and you want to “transform” your spouse, can you honestly say you admire them as they are?</i></p>
<p>That is supposed to be a trenchant metaphor to prove that progressives don&#8217;t love America.  There are so many ways this parallel doesn&#8217;t hold up, Terry.  For one thing, America is not a spouse that we married, but &#8230; well, many other things, but not a beloved person.  One thing that America is, which makes it different from other countries one might have been born into, is a Democratic work in progress.  We progressives believe that we show our love for America by trying to help improve it;  I think most &#8220;conservatives&#8221; might say the same as well.  &#8220;Transform&#8221; is a somewhat lofty verb, I think most of us would just say &#8220;improve a little.&#8221;  Leave our beloved country just a little better off, like our admired predecessors did, from Jefferson to Lincoln to FDR to MLK.</p>
<p>And just to sink back down into your original metaphor, well, &#8220;transform,&#8221; &#8220;admire,&#8221; and &#8220;as they are&#8221; are strange word choices, but you can certainly care about and love a person while encouraging them and helping them to change some things about themselves.</p>
<p>Or is that crazed carpet-chewer thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, I wasted my time reading propaganda that talks about fifty flowers or no flowers, and carefully linked the facts to my statements. All I had to do was point out how Obamacare promoters repeat delusional things like &quot;reducing costs&quot;, most Americans &quot;want Obamacare&quot;, and that the votes to pass the public option are there when they are clearly not, and I don&#039;t have to bother to prove it, even though I clearly can.

As for New Jersey, it is fairly easy to predict what happens to rats when the light shines...

p.s.

Are you married? If you are, and you want to &quot;transform&quot; your spouse, can you honestly say you admire them as they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, I wasted my time reading propaganda that talks about fifty flowers or no flowers, and carefully linked the facts to my statements. All I had to do was point out how Obamacare promoters repeat delusional things like &#8220;reducing costs&#8221;, most Americans &#8220;want Obamacare&#8221;, and that the votes to pass the public option are there when they are clearly not, and I don&#8217;t have to bother to prove it, even though I clearly can.</p>
<p>As for New Jersey, it is fairly easy to predict what happens to rats when the light shines&#8230;</p>
<p>p.s.</p>
<p>Are you married? If you are, and you want to &#8220;transform&#8221; your spouse, can you honestly say you admire them as they are?</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Terry, I&#039;m starting to think he really believes all this composte (sic.)  He must feel like the lone, brave voice of sanity here, and the four of us who regularly refute him seem like a team of rabid jackals. I&#039;m just trying to imagine being him.  All his insults and aggression are justified pre-emptive self-defense but when we respond with facts and laughter we are &quot;haters.&quot;

The Stossel propaganda video was made in conjunction with the little Canadian fringe that wants to destroy the popular and largely successful Canadian healthcare system.  There&#039;s a minority of doctors there who would like to get paid more, and a &quot;libertarian&quot; think tank called the Fraser Institute (which I have always referred to as &quot;the best little whorehouse in Canada&quot;)  They are well known for also making a widely-disproved study refuting the dangers of second-hand smoke that turned out to be funded by Philip Morris, and a widely-mocked study refuting global warming which was totally funded by Exxon.  It is easy to go through Canada and find a few people to bitch about their treatment, enough to make a little documentary like this.  But Canadians invariably tell pollsters, by about 90% margins, that they prefer their system to ours, and Tommy Douglas, the man who designed their system, was recently voted the greatest Canadian of all time.

Sally Pipes is from the Pacific Research Institute, the American branch of the Fraser Institute.  Oh, and the systems being proposed for America now are nothing like the Canadian system anyhow.  Whether better or worse, it will not be as subject to the vagaries of budgeting.

The post is filled with other bizarre things you sincerely believe if you&#039;re Crowley:  People like me, anon, anonster, Red Vixen, Obama, Olbermann, Maddow and Congressional Democrats are &quot;ashamed of our country&quot; when we want to improve things.  Tens of thousands of Americans a year DO NOT DIE due to being uninsured, and most Americans DO NOT want health care reform.  Congress does not have the votes when it is obvious now that they do.  Chris Christie is gonna win the governor&#039;s race in New Jersey and then all Democrats will scurry in fear from their progressive ideals!  Ah, I can&#039;t go on.  I did read the whole thing.  I&#039;m sure he didn&#039;t read my post yesterday, so why do I bother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Terry, I&#8217;m starting to think he really believes all this composte (sic.)  He must feel like the lone, brave voice of sanity here, and the four of us who regularly refute him seem like a team of rabid jackals. I&#8217;m just trying to imagine being him.  All his insults and aggression are justified pre-emptive self-defense but when we respond with facts and laughter we are &#8220;haters.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Stossel propaganda video was made in conjunction with the little Canadian fringe that wants to destroy the popular and largely successful Canadian healthcare system.  There&#8217;s a minority of doctors there who would like to get paid more, and a &#8220;libertarian&#8221; think tank called the Fraser Institute (which I have always referred to as &#8220;the best little whorehouse in Canada&#8221;)  They are well known for also making a widely-disproved study refuting the dangers of second-hand smoke that turned out to be funded by Philip Morris, and a widely-mocked study refuting global warming which was totally funded by Exxon.  It is easy to go through Canada and find a few people to bitch about their treatment, enough to make a little documentary like this.  But Canadians invariably tell pollsters, by about 90% margins, that they prefer their system to ours, and Tommy Douglas, the man who designed their system, was recently voted the greatest Canadian of all time.</p>
<p>Sally Pipes is from the Pacific Research Institute, the American branch of the Fraser Institute.  Oh, and the systems being proposed for America now are nothing like the Canadian system anyhow.  Whether better or worse, it will not be as subject to the vagaries of budgeting.</p>
<p>The post is filled with other bizarre things you sincerely believe if you&#8217;re Crowley:  People like me, anon, anonster, Red Vixen, Obama, Olbermann, Maddow and Congressional Democrats are &#8220;ashamed of our country&#8221; when we want to improve things.  Tens of thousands of Americans a year DO NOT DIE due to being uninsured, and most Americans DO NOT want health care reform.  Congress does not have the votes when it is obvious now that they do.  Chris Christie is gonna win the governor&#8217;s race in New Jersey and then all Democrats will scurry in fear from their progressive ideals!  Ah, I can&#8217;t go on.  I did read the whole thing.  I&#8217;m sure he didn&#8217;t read my post yesterday, so why do I bother.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;his sing-song delivery or the way he simplifies everything by eliminating the big words? I guess John Stossel knows his audience. &lt;/i&gt;

OMG, exactly!  I don&#039;t think I could stand listening to this guy on a regular basis.  But I applaud Terry for bringing some of his bizarro world here to share!

And one thing that was patently false:  PROFITS drive innovation for prosthetic devices.  Absolutely wrong.  Most of that stuff comes from the VA and profits on the devices are negligible because the population needing them is very small.   PROFIT- DRIVEN health insurance is NOT your friend, unless you are the one getting the direct monetary profits.

It&#039;s really astounding how the working class has been duped into shilling for the very wealthy at the expense of their OWN well-being.  If you cannot recognize the biggest fool at the poker table of business, Terry, YOU are probably the biggest fool!

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>his sing-song delivery or the way he simplifies everything by eliminating the big words? I guess John Stossel knows his audience. </i></p>
<p>OMG, exactly!  I don&#8217;t think I could stand listening to this guy on a regular basis.  But I applaud Terry for bringing some of his bizarro world here to share!</p>
<p>And one thing that was patently false:  PROFITS drive innovation for prosthetic devices.  Absolutely wrong.  Most of that stuff comes from the VA and profits on the devices are negligible because the population needing them is very small.   PROFIT- DRIVEN health insurance is NOT your friend, unless you are the one getting the direct monetary profits.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really astounding how the working class has been duped into shilling for the very wealthy at the expense of their OWN well-being.  If you cannot recognize the biggest fool at the poker table of business, Terry, YOU are probably the biggest fool!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: anonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry wants those that disagree with him to &quot;do so with some dignity&quot;, that&#039;s right-wing kook-speak for &#039;stop kickin&#039; my ass in your rebuttals&#039;, how else would you explain the hypocrisy (I mean other than HYPOCRISY) in Terry&#039;s argument when he&#039;s on record with comments such as;&quot;...join reality, loser.&quot;, &quot;A bunch of brain farts...&quot; and &quot;Moonbeam news organs are feeding leftist wackos, like anonster..&quot;and that&#039;s just from yesterday.
 Poor Terry, he can dish it out but he threatens to take his toys and go home when he gets it back.

Jeez, I was shocked by the video clip, John Stossel acts like he&#039;s addressing a bunch of kindergartners, oops, I guess that&#039;s why Terry&#039;s so impressed, what is it you like best about him Terry, his sing-song delivery or the way he simplifies everything by eliminating the big words?  I guess John Stossel knows his audience. 

As to health care reform passing, time will tell, and if it passes with an opt-out provision then we&#039;ll see if Republican Governors &quot;stick to their principles&quot; and opt-out. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry wants those that disagree with him to &#8220;do so with some dignity&#8221;, that&#8217;s right-wing kook-speak for &#8216;stop kickin&#8217; my ass in your rebuttals&#8217;, how else would you explain the hypocrisy (I mean other than HYPOCRISY) in Terry&#8217;s argument when he&#8217;s on record with comments such as;&#8221;&#8230;join reality, loser.&#8221;, &#8220;A bunch of brain farts&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;Moonbeam news organs are feeding leftist wackos, like anonster..&#8221;and that&#8217;s just from yesterday.<br />
 Poor Terry, he can dish it out but he threatens to take his toys and go home when he gets it back.</p>
<p>Jeez, I was shocked by the video clip, John Stossel acts like he&#8217;s addressing a bunch of kindergartners, oops, I guess that&#8217;s why Terry&#8217;s so impressed, what is it you like best about him Terry, his sing-song delivery or the way he simplifies everything by eliminating the big words?  I guess John Stossel knows his audience. </p>
<p>As to health care reform passing, time will tell, and if it passes with an opt-out provision then we&#8217;ll see if Republican Governors &#8220;stick to their principles&#8221; and opt-out. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL</description>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well nobody will ever accuse YOU of being co-dependent. No, you&#039;re on the exact opposite of that spectrum...you simply dismiss, before it happens, anybody who might disagree with you.

Psychoanalytic genius, heal thyself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well nobody will ever accuse YOU of being co-dependent. No, you&#8217;re on the exact opposite of that spectrum&#8230;you simply dismiss, before it happens, anybody who might disagree with you.</p>
<p>Psychoanalytic genius, heal thyself.</p>
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